[sbaz]

test

[sparky]

Tinkers....you are correct in your assumption that I need to **** or get off the pot...yes I am looking for support and yes...I guess I sound like a typical junky..but I am scared..and I want to get off these things...but it is hard..to commit to exposing this sham of a life I've been leading...so....now that you have cut down to say 1 per day...how are you feeling...thats what I want to here..is how everyone who has started subx is doing...thanks

[inneedoftalktohelpmealso]

quote:Originally posted by linguapohombre

To those of you who are fighting addiction and want to get your life and freedom back,I would not use the suboxone .It is a long acting opiate and will cause you to be addicted if you use it for an extended time.The withdrawal will last for at least 2 or 3 months if you decide to get off of it .The hydros clear from your system in a couple of days and you will have 4 to 6 days withdrawal .Much better than 2 months .You can take less and less of the hydro or oxy each day .Just enough to avoid withdrawal because it takes only a fraction of your "euphoric dose " to relieve withdrawal symptoms .If you can reduce your dosage by 20 to 30 percent every day or 2, till you are using 5 milligrams instead of 30 or whatever you were using ,then your withdrawal will be so much less intense .Withdrawal from 10 pill habit is very intense while withdrawal from 1 pill will be much less .And your body will be slowly adjusting while your tolerance will fall .That dosage you were taking at 8 or 10 pills will kill you when you have arrived at the 5 milligram dose .So if you can slowly taper off to a single pill ,DO NOT take the high dose you were taking before .It is hard to taper down because you miss the euphoria but many of us realize how good it feels to not suffer wd's.I have been in your shoes so I speak from experience .Good luck

i went to go look up suboxen because i never heard of it and ill be honest with you im scared what is this going to do to me the doctor wants to put me on it starting sept 3 should i thanks for all your help and support i never really knew how many people are hooked on these pills before thanks again

[tinkers]

Sparky

How are you I dont mean to sound harsh but some times you need to be I feel great the sub is doing its job and i'm taking my time I thing you should start them you wont regret it and I was very scared also but I was fed up with my life and the pills were a major part of it now i'm starting to get things back on track at work and home and every thing else just do it at first you wil be scared but you will be thanking me once you do

[danarmstrong]

Hey everyone,
My name is Dan and I just wanted to log on and say thanks to all of you. I know this is my first post but without the info found here I probably wouldn't have made it this far.
Here is my story.
I have chronic back pain . Psyotic nerve damage on the left side and was finally referred to a pain management Dr. about 3 months ago. I have dealt with this pain for more than 10 years with some days better than others. So one day I decide I am going to see what can be done.
I have been taking lortab for about a year when I could get them and when I could find them from friends but I finally got a Dr that would give them to me. Well I was on them about 3 months from this Dr steady and she got me up to 40 mg's Hydro and 40 mg's of Oxycodone per day only for about 2 weeks, Well more than anything this is a warning. I was never told by this Dr if you test positive for marajuana they can drop you like a hot potato. Well guess what happened.
I went in with an acute episode and they gave me a urine test. I took it no problem because I was told they were just making sure I was taking my Meds and not selling them since that seems to be a problem. Well I test positive for THC and 2 weeks later when its time for a refill they say we can't give them to you . You are positive for marajuana.
BTW, I am a college graduate with a good job and a 1 yr old son. I am a light smoker. Like 2 - 3 times a week at bedtime so I know it wasn't a high level of THC. Anyway This happened last Monday 8-7-06
and here I am on Sunday feeling a whole lot better than I have in a while.
I had 80 mg's Sun, 60 Mon, 30 Teus, 22.5 Wed, 22.5 Thurday which is the day I thought I was going to DIE. and then 15 mg's on Fri, and 15 mg on sat and here I am on Sun at 8 pm feeling a whole lot better and have had none but I am here to tell ya that is not the way to do it if you have them to ween yourself. I have done a lot of reading on this site and a lot of crying for 2 days, I am a man that never cries and my wife has held me and cried with me. But here I am 1 week later and feeling pretty good today . I think I will be 100% by Tesuday or so .
I know there are people that have been on them a lot longer than me but it can be done and boy will you feel better when you can start saying screw you Dr's I am over narcotics. I will seek alternate means of pain management.
I even considered Thur getting on a plane to west palm beach, FL to Meditox and getting some Suboxone but I made it past that.
The things I do remember from this site are
Never underestimate the power of a hot bath (HELPS)
Take a Multivitamin everyday
Use a cold pack for the hot flashes
and Pray Pray Pray
It goes by quick but it does SUCK.
Well I guess it is safe to day these F#$ING Dr's will never, I repeat NEVER get me on Narcotics again as long as I live
I will have to deal with pain in some other manner.
Thanks For all the help you guys didn't even know you gave me but I can say I am clean and free from narcotics today and plan to be completely free by next weekend.
I will only take one if I feel I am losing it and then it will still be the only one I take.
I HATE DR"S
It should be illegal for them to be able to do that to anyone....


GOOD LUCK EVERYONE

AND GOD BLESS

DAN ARMSTRONG

[chrish1]

Everybody,

Quitting is the easy part, believe it or not. The hard part is staying clean. People in 12 step programs have a much better chance at staying clean long term. I religiously attend NA meetings and work the 12 steps, and I have over 10 months clean from painkillers. I was a daily user for many years, so I know first hand that the programs work LONG TERM. All I can give is my experience.

Hey, NS Clueless, hope all is well!

Hey Girle - it would be nice to hear from you.

Chrish

Clean Date: 10/11/05

Drugs are a big lie. Don't believe the lie.

***HOW TO FIND LOCAL NA MEETINGS****

http://www.na.org/links-toc.htm

[Angela H]

Hey everyone~
I haven't posted in a long time, but I've been in here reading.
Long story short...I was up to 10 Lortab 10's a day and was totally out of control. I knew I needed to quit for good, so I tried the tapering route. Not for me! If I have them, I will take them. I've been in withdrawal for 4 days and could not make it.
I just returned from my doctor's office 20 minutes ago. I was so sick...shaking, nose running, chills, total malaise. He gave me Subutex. I dissolved 4 mg under my tongue 30 mins ago. I feel like a new person! Oh, my gosh! I forgot what normal feels like. No more shaking, nose is not running, I have energy and absolutely NO cravings at all. We are gonna do this for 4 weeks, tapering by one mg per week.
I am so excited about this and quitting. I am in tears because I feel so good. It's not euphoric. I don't feel high...just normal.
And to think, just 30 minutes ago, I felt like I was dying.
I know that this is an opiate, but if it will help me break the cycle of chasing pills all day, I'm game. My doc said everyone he has treated with this has been successful in not only quitting the hydro, but tapering and quitting the Subutex.
I will keep y'all posted on my progress. Love you guys, Angela

[danarmstrong]

Chrish,
I know what you are saying that quitting is the easy part. Staying quit is a whole nother animal. I can only speak for myself and say i have never done drugs besides light smoking and drinking. I have tried a lot of things but just do not have the addictive personality. This narcotic episode happened to me by Dr's , not me looking for Dr's to give me meds. I have serious back pain and it seems that some Dr's will just narcoticize their patients and hope they will be happy. I fell into that trap and I know I will never let that happen to me again. I have a loving wife and a beutiful 1 yr old son and I will not let them do that to me again.
It is alost like they know they have you where they want you. You know like a good hair stylist that knows you will be back month after month. Positive income.
I think it is **** for these Dr's to be able to do that to people.
You go to them wondering ,,, are they going to give me my meds,,are they going to up them or lower them and it is constantly on your mind. I think it suks.
I will never let a Dr get that kind of control over me again.
I have requested all my records from them and anything I signed when I first went. If anything , I just want this Dr's office to change their policies and make sure patients know all the rules of being a narcotic patient.
It is possible for someone to commit suicide from what happened to me. 80 mg's a day to 0 is almighty HELL. But it will be burned in your brain forever when you think about taking one.

Angela,
I wish I was able to get Suboxone, I definitely would have went that route. After the hell I went through last week I found out the Dr's office that cut me off could prescribe it. That is unethical to say the least.
Well thanks for all the help when I was having a real hard time last week everyone.
Good Luck with everything and trust me when you are free from these dam pills you will go WOW I can see clearly again. It is so very worth it. It is day 9 and I feel almost 100% today. I think by Thursday I will not even have a thought of What The HELL was that all about.


GOOD LUCK Everyone
Keep writing and I will be here reading and giving my input for what it is worth.
Dan

[Rscprincess1]

Hope This Gives A Little Encouragement And Can Help A Few People On Their Way To Recovery.

Let Me First Say That I Have Been Clean Now For 11 Years, And This Is How I Did It. It Worked For Me And I Would Like To Pass It On As It May Help Others. After 11 Years Clean It Is A Whole Lot Easier But Ever Once In Awhile I Have To Play This Little "Game" I Came Up With. So Here Goes. If I Can Help One Person By Explaining This "Game" It Is Worth It.

At First When You Are So Called "Coming Down" It Is Very Physical ("Coming Down" Off The Drug, Whatever It Might Be Is Up Hill ) (And If You Can Get Through This Part Of It Its All Down Hill) But After The Drugs, Whether It Is Pain Medication Or Street Drugs Get Out Of Your System, I Look At It As A Mind Game. Everyday You Play The Game. Everyday You Stay Sober And Not Use That Day You Have Won That Mind Game For The Day. But The Next Day You Have To Start All Over, Playing The Same Mind Game To Stay Sober. You May Not Win A Physical Or Monitary Prize For Winning That Mind Game Day By Day But You Do Win One Thing "YOUR SOBRITY". You Win The Feeling Of Sucess And Most Of All You Health. For All You That Are Recovering And Playing This Mind Game, Keep Up The Good Work. That Prize Of Sobrity Is The Best Prize You Can Win.

I Give You All Props And Warm Wishes Of Praise For Wanting And Getting Determined To Get Clean. Keep Up The Good Work. If Anyone Needs A Little Support Dont Hessitate To Email
Beth


I Do not Guarentee Any Information Provided But I Will Be As Accurate As I Can.

[cluelessNJ]

Beth~ Thats really funny because I do the same thing. I am way to determined to let the little beast in my head win. Great post! Thanks for sharing.

Chrish~ Nice to see ya around! Hope all is well! I will send you an email soon! I have been having a great busy summer. Now that I have more energy and motivation i've been going to the beach alot. It also helps to have the money to travel whenever you want. Even better is not planning my trips around getting scripts or having to meet people. What a relief!

So everyone reading this knows.......It is possible to quit. It can be done. You can have a better life without pills!


Not so clueless,

CLEAN DATE 1/23/06

[Lazer]

I need some help!!!!!!!! I have been taking 12 to 13 darvocet everyday. My pharmacist will not refill my prescription until a later date because she knows I am addicted even though my insurance will take it 3 days earlier.
My question is I will be dropping from 12 down to 7 a day to make it to my next refill. When I start really sweating and feeling moody is from the drop, is that physical or psychological. Is there any danger in dropping so much. Is it ok since I will at least be putting some in my system? I see people go cold turkey and have made it but I am very sensitive to any drop. Please, if anyone has any input on this PLEASE tell me. I am worried that I will not be able to work or function. Thank you in advance.

[shegrowsonyou]

**reposted to get more exposure. please don't be angry.


Well, I knew he took Vicodin when I met him, and shortly after we started dating and realised we were " IT" for each other, I told him that the only way he could loose me was by not getting a handle on his Pill Problem.

He did a good job, his best friend had a problem, too, and had given it up and so we knew he was a good resource.

It became a topic of major discussion that he get treatment, we talked about his options and he was really adamant about getting better and said that if he had never met me and seen the sort of future he wanted with me, he would have never thought to get better at all.

I was confident in the relationship, but as his vigilance about getting off pills became stronger, his behaviour toward me turned..well.. a bit sour. It started off slowly, like I would just see a blank look in his eye and he wouldn't be excited about dates or plans we had made well in advance. He made a comment about how I don't spend as much time with my girls as i used to, so i started giving him some space and staying at my house instead of his like i usually did. We talked about this change in behaviour, except I didnt think it was him that was being odd, I thought it was something in ME that was off, and he said that it wasnt me at all, that his desire to get healthy was taking up all his emotional strength and that he was starting to just be very numb to anything else, that getting well was his first priority. Of course, he didnt say that at first. At first he said that I was " pressuring" him and gave me all sorts of ( i feel imagined) things I was pressuring him to doing. I didnt understand this " pressure" because we were already in a committed relationship.
One night, he asked me if I would please just backburner Us for a little while, that he would be back with me when he had a better hold on his addiction. I told him that I would do that, but i expressed concerns that he was using addiction as a way to rid of me in a cowardly manner. Of course he refused that was the truth and restated that he just needed a little time and space to get better and that his feelings for me still are true, but that he just couldnt get to them right now because he is so numb to feelings and obsessed with kicking his addition.

I gave him space, but i still called him every few days and we had lunch once or twice and he seemed like he was just talking to me or having a date with me out of ...I don't know what. But each time i approached him with the " Are you sure you still want me to hang around" question, he would say yes, that he just needed time to get better and if it wasnt for me he wouldnt want to get better and that he just cant reach those feelings that he has for me somewhere inside.

It was incredibly uncomfortable to spend any time with him because he was so distant and cold. His story never changed, though, so i just succumbed to sending him a text message everyday that simply said " Alive?" and he would respond "Yes, thanks for asking".

Eventually, he sent me an email that said it hurt him too much to hear from me, that seeing me in pain over his inability to quit polls cold turkey hurt him too much, and that he needed absolute disconnection from me to heal, and that only after some time alone could he then focus on whom and what is important in his life. He still said the same story about how he would be dead if not for me, and that I have changed his life.


My problem is- If i changed his life and he loves me so much, why won't he let me help him fight this thing? Until he decided to kick his habit, our future was so incredibly solid- he even jokingly/seriously proposed to me in the market with a gaudy dime ring. And now I am reduced to nothing in his life- and I am scared that what he meant was a goodbye forever, and a thanks for kicking me in the arse to get better.

Do you think that he will follow through on his promise to make this all up to me?
Or should I get over it and forget him?

Im loathe to say it, but I feel I should just give up, and I hate to, because I know what we had must have been REAL for him to just up and go into treatment.

Has anyone got a similar story and what is your advice?

Amber

Amber

[Lazer]

I am sorry but today is my first day down to 8 darvocet from 13 (as mentioned above) and I am sweating and moody, and depressed. Please can someone give me advice on what to do? I posted my condition above. I really can't take this feeling. Is there anything to do. I have to work and function normally around my family but I can't. Thank you.

[mpvt]

Hi Lazer: Do you think this might be to big of a drop.If your trying to wean down then you need to do it very sloooowly or stop everything all at once.I think you have dropped your dose to quickly.Try going from 13 to maybe 10 or 11 and stay there for 3-5 days so that your serum level level's off before you go down again.Good luck and remember there is also suboxone out there which would greatly benifit you.....Dave

[Lazer]

Thanks mpvt!

[Lazer]

This is so hard coming off this darvocet. I feel like I am losing it. Are there any more people left that can give me some words of strength! I felt so much better being on my 13 a day as opposed to the 9 a day I am on now. I don't know how I am going to decrease this any more![xx(]

[JTMoney]

Just thought that I should let everyone know that I have kicked the 5-8 10/500 painpills a day using suboxone. I have been off the suboxone for a week and 2 days and I dont even want a pain pill. If anyone has any questions I will make a good effort to reply. Good luck to everyone whos fighting this battle...the suboxone made it easy for me to quit...but you have to want to. Take care

Jimmy T

[tinkers]

Lazer,

Keep your head up it is very hard to ween off thats why I could never do it it was always cold turkey until suboxone keep it up it can be done many people in here have weened it just never worked for me maybe as dave said you are going to fast slow down you dident get hooked over night at you wont get clean over night it takes timetry 10 for a week or so that may work good luck I'm here any questions just ask


Everyone where have you all went this site us to be happening did you all go back or just no time? other people still need help

[treasures]

Hello. I was taking up to 25 pecs a day. I got on suboxon seven days ago and have not taking a perc or wanted one for the first time in two years. It has worked very well for me. I think that it is for people who have gotten stuck in the mud and their wheels have been sitting there spinning for however long. suboxon is like a tow truck that pulls you out and cleans your wheels. from there with therapy and determination it is up to us on how far we will go. maybe that sounds cheesy but that is the way i feel about it. good luck to everyone. It has worked for me. I start therapy in a couple of weeks and hope to finish my road to recovery. My doctor said I will probably be on suboxon for at least three to six months.

[Lazer]

I cheated today. Since I got a new prescription I went from 9 Darvocet's to 11 and felt like a normal person. This is after having been on 9 pills for about 5 days and sweating like crazy! I feel terrible now.[V]

[missi0115]

TAKE IT FROM A PERSON WHO HAS KICKED EVERY HABIT KNOWN TO MAN, I STARTED OUT ON THE WEED, AND AS EVERYONE TOLD ME WHEN I WAS YOUNGER (AND I SAID THEY WERE CRAZY), THIS DOES LEAD TO OTHER THINGS, I THEN DEVELOPED INTO ALCOHOLISM, WHICH THEN LED ME TO AN ACID PROBLEM(IN THE EIGHTIES)!!! MAYBE BEFORE THAT I STARTED DOBBLING WITH THE COKE, WHICH LED TO CRACK, AND EVENTUALLY CRYSTAL METH, MR.BROWNSTONE CAME KNOCKING!!! I USED TO MAKE FUN OF PEOPLE WHO TOOK PAIN PILLS, BECAUSE I TOOK SO MANY OTHER THINGS, I COULDN'T GET ANYTHING OFF THEM, SO I TOOK MOSTLY ZANNIES...COKE...WHATEVER I COULD GET MY HANDS ON. I SOMEHOW DECIDED TO GET MY LIFE BACK, AND QUIT COLD TURKEY, AND ALMOST DIED!!!!! MY NOW HUSBAND AND I WOULD SIT AND TOUCH EACH OTHER ON THE ARM TO SEE WHO COULD LEAVE A BIGGER STRAWBERRY ON THE OTHER'S SKIN!!!!!! I WATCHED MY HUSBAND SEIZURE, WHICH I THINK WAS CAUSED FROM KLONIPIN WITHDRAWL, AND SOMEHOW WE MADE IT THROUGH!!!!!!

I THEN DECIDED TO HAVE CHILDREN, GOD HELP US, AND THE FIRST TWO BABIES COULDN'T SURVIVE THE SEVERE IMPACT ON MY BODY, AND UNFORTUNATELY DIDN'T MAKE IT. I WAITED A COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEN FINALLY WAS ABLE TO HAVE A BOY, WHO I OWE MY LIFE TO. I THEN DISCOVERED THE BEAUTY OF PAIN PILLS!!!!!!!! IT IS AN ONGOING STRUGGLE EVERY DAY, AND I SLIP HERE AND THERE, BUT I KNOW THAT I HAVE TO BE HERE FOR MY NOW 2 BOYS, AND I CRAVE PILLS EVERY DAY, AND MOST OF THE TIME OTHER THINGS, BUT I KNOW THAT EVEN IF I FALL HERE AND THERE, THEY ARE THERE FOR ME AND I HAVE TO STAY HERE FOR THEM.

THANKS FOR HEARING MY STORY!!

MELISSA HENDERSON

[Lazer]

There are probably many people who have read your story and feel for you but have just not responded. We all wish you the best success Melissa.
Larry

[mpvt]

Lazer, you should look into buprenorphene if your wanting to do something about your addiction.This drug is tailor made for patients like you and will make quitting so easy you will shake your head.Try www.suboxone.com and read up on it.There is a doctor locator there so if you decide you want to try it then print out a list of doctors in your area and start phoning for an appointment.Good luck.....Dave

[chrish1]

Melissa, Thank you for sharing your story. It illustrates that we addicts cannot successfully take any narcotic or alcohol. The best way to quit (and STAY clean) long term is abstinance from all mind altering substances. It sounds like a really scary thought at first, but after a while you get used to it, and then the real miracle happens - You find that life is BETTER without any substances! Good luck.

Chrish



Clean Date: 10/11/05

Drugs are a big lie. Don't believe the lie.

***HOW TO FIND LOCAL NA MEETINGS****

http://www.na.org/links-toc.htm

[Lazer]

quote:Originally posted by mpvt

Lazer, you should look into buprenorphene if your wanting to do something about your addiction.This drug is tailor made for patients like you and will make quitting so easy you will shake your head.Try www.suboxone.com and read up on it.There is a doctor locator there so if you decide you want to try it then print out a list of doctors in your area and start phoning for an appointment.Good luck.....Dave

Dave, I am afraid they will tell my boss or force me into a rehab center which is NOT an option.

Larry

[chrish1]

Why 12 Step Programs work:

"A man cannot be redeemed until he recognizes the flaws in his soul and tries to mend them... Whoever permits no recognition of his flaws, be it man or nation, permits no redemption. We can be redeemed to the extent we recognize ourselves."

10 months clean and counting....

Chrish

Clean Date: 10/11/05

Drugs are a big lie. Don't believe the lie.

***HOW TO FIND LOCAL NA MEETINGS****

http://www.na.org/links-toc.htm

[mpvt]

Lazer: Privacy laws protect you and your employer can't find out.Look into this when you feel your ready,it can really help you......Dave

[Angela H]

Lazer~
I agree with Dave. Suboxone or Subutex can greatly help you. I'm on my tenth day of it and it's been a miracle. There is no way I could've gone through Hydro withdrawals without it. And Dave is also right that your employers, or anybody for that matter, does not have to know about anything. In fact, nobody has to know except for you and your doctor, unless you choose to tell them.
I was on my 4th day of tapering quickly and feeling so bad I couldn't even go to work. I decided I needed help because I couldn't do it by myself, so I went to my doctor and asked for help. He gave me a script for Subutex and 20 mins after taking it, I felt normal. Not high, not euphoric, just normal. I forgot what normal felt like. I was walking around doped all day and people were starting to ask me if I was okay and saying that I didn't seem like myself. I didn't want to live that way anymore.
I just thought I would share that with you. Good Luck and I'll be thinking of you. Hugs, Angela

[unclenasty93]

I am currently using 20 dilaudid 4mg tabs a day. I am about to go into detox and I am terrified. I have had clean time before, but I have been back on this **** for almost 5 years. Any encouragement would help. I need to remember how good sobriety is.

[Lazer]

Thanks Angela. It means a great deal to me. I am having so much trouble tapering off. Could you tell me how the Suboxone regiment works. Thanks, Larryalecto