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07-20-2006, 12:07 PM
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Sparky
Hi I can relate to you for sure I have been there for many years I ended up using suboxone and it worked great for me. I'm in the prosses of weening down right now very slow ill be around if you have any questions. |
07-20-2006, 12:09 PM
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tinkers...brett...whoevers doing/done subx....could you explain the process...in patient or out patient...cost up front?...one visit or ? ...this will help..thanks |
07-20-2006, 03:54 PM
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Okay, I need a little encouragement. This sounds AWFUL! My kids just got thier tonsils out, and they have oxycodone for pain relief. I am hating these being in the house. I have managed to administer the meds without having a little meds myself, but I feel VERY uncomfortable, and I feel like a terrible mom.
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07-20-2006, 04:42 PM
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Just keep reading these posts about those of us who are still addicted...and REMEMBER what it took for yourself to GET OFF....do you really want to re-live it.....Let someone else be in charge of those meds...if you are feeling tempted...take away the temptation..tell someone your concerns thats in your home..good luck and stay clean..I only wish to be clean...you have come so far..don't blow it...hang tough |
07-20-2006, 05:55 PM
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Hey Sparky,
Thanks so much for saying that. I feel like just thinking about it is like thinking about murder. I equate this to abuse. I am having the hardest time just knowing that I could even THINK about taking my kids meds. I guess the good news is, I havent. I should talk to my husband about it, but the problem is, it is a liquid form that has to be refrigerated. So, every time I open the fridge, there it is. Also, where else would my husband keep it, to keep it away from me. The bottom line is, I need to just say no. I will just write in when my feelings are strongest. I feel so ashamed for this.
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07-20-2006, 06:43 PM
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you've won half the battle...being aware of your temptation....I know you won't take it because you would be possibly shorting your kids meds that they may really need...you are a good mom...don't question that...its the evil addiction calling your name...keep strong..and like you said just don;t do it..and be grateful you are not where I am and many others...having not yet conquered the demon...hang tough |
07-20-2006, 09:16 PM
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I have been following a couple of your stories for some time now. I am so ashamed of myself. I did drugs as a teenager but was never addicted to anything. I was always able to put it down when I wanted or knew I was getting carried away. Now with these Ultrams, I feel disgusted. I can't tell anyone about it because I have a clearance in jepordy. I'm scared. the worst part is that I don't get them anymore..my fiance does. He get's 270 every three months from the VA. He hides them from me (not very well though..I usually find them in a matter of hours.) I went two day without them..today I had to take some. I was sooooo miseable at work. I feel absolutly horrible because I have a newborn and feel like I have to take them to want to play with him. I'm afraid that we aren't going to bond like we are supposed too. I HATE THIS! I am thinking about tapering..I've done it before. It's just soooo hard knowing that they are ALWAYS in the house. I don't want to tell my fiance because I don't think he would allow me to taper..and I'm afraid of what will happen if I have NO access to them. I don't want to do ANYTHING without them. I know exactly how some of you feel about that. I don't even want to clean..but then I get depressed that my house is messy. I also had/have postaprtum..I think that plays a huge part in it. I have my 6 week postpartum check up on AUG 3. I'm hoping that the Dr. will give me some kind of antidepressant. My sis-in-law took Lexapro for hers and said it did wonders..she said there were no wd's either. I'm shooting for that. I just want to be myself again and bond with my beautiful baby boy![:0]  |
07-20-2006, 09:52 PM
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quote:Originally posted by brett
i have 6 days now
when does the diarhea ever end???? last year i was on meth , but i actually did it meself but its weird i wasnt this sick last year..
| Adventually sweetie they will! I don't remember how long it was but get immodium AD. I promise it does its job! Great job on the 6 days.
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07-20-2006, 09:55 PM
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quote:Originally posted by NavyGrlhelp
I have been following a couple of your stories for some time now. I am so ashamed of myself. I did drugs as a teenager but was never addicted to anything. I was always able to put it down when I wanted or knew I was getting carried away. Now with these Ultrams, I feel disgusted. I can't tell anyone about it because I have a clearance in jepordy. I'm scared. the worst part is that I don't get them anymore..my fiance does. He get's 270 every three months from the VA. He hides them from me (not very well though..I usually find them in a matter of hours.) I went two day without them..today I had to take some. I was sooooo miseable at work. I feel absolutly horrible because I have a newborn and feel like I have to take them to want to play with him. I'm afraid that we aren't going to bond like we are supposed too. I HATE THIS! I am thinking about tapering..I've done it before. It's just soooo hard knowing that they are ALWAYS in the house. I don't want to tell my fiance because I don't think he would allow me to taper..and I'm afraid of what will happen if I have NO access to them. I don't want to do ANYTHING without them. I know exactly how some of you feel about that. I don't even want to clean..but then I get depressed that my house is messy. I also had/have postaprtum..I think that plays a huge part in it. I have my 6 week postpartum check up on AUG 3. I'm hoping that the Dr. will give me some kind of antidepressant. My sis-in-law took Lexapro for hers and said it did wonders..she said there were no wd's either. I'm shooting for that. I just want to be myself again and bond with my beautiful baby boy![:0]
| Hang in there Navy grl! You can quit for you and that little baby boy!
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07-21-2006, 02:11 AM
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Navygirl...Are you struggling with taking to many ultrams and want to stop...has it been for a long time...I did'nt realize ultram were so addictive..my doc is way more willing to give me those than vico...and another thought I had is about your depression...I sometimes confuse the need for something to eAse the depression and take the pain pills for the high/escape..never really works..as you figured out...with your lack of desire to clean house...I guess like me you have to want it really bad...to quit..thats why I asked how long and how many...how sunk are you....anyway you look at it...you gotta be 100% for your baby boy..you can |
07-21-2006, 09:17 AM
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Hi All
How is everyone? Ultram yes it is addictive I have said this before, About Suboxone the way it worked for me was I found a list of doc's from the sub web site them I looked for one that was in my hmo I call the office and talked with a rn she was very nice and very helpfull so i met with the doc a vew days later myself and my wife and he explaind the good and bad he gave us a script for like 12 tabs to last for 3 days then we had to go back and be evaluated at that time he gave us each a month supply. I know that this may vary from doc to doc but this work very well for us i know some docs give u some in the office and have you wait 1 hour them adjust the dose and have you come back every few days as for the cost it is very high with no insurance 90 8mg tabs are about $500.00 and the office is around $75.00 $100.00 its cheaper to buy vic's on the street if you dont have insurance so i would recomend that you visit www.suboxone.com and do a doc search for you area and make some phone calls and be very truthfull with them they will help you and not look down on you i also know that docs are limited to only 30 sub patients at a time i hope this helps it saved my and my wifes life and marrage it does work as well as everyone says very fast a few side effects that went away after a short time and now im starting to get off them so if you need any thing drop a line. |
07-21-2006, 10:13 AM
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Hi all....thanks for info about subx....so it seems that the KEY to this is in the way you wean off and the duration you stay on...So you just loose the desire to take the other meds???..for one cause you've obviously made a financial committment to subx??? ....and also cause if you take other meds (vico) you just be defeating the purpose of subx???...seems alot mental too...I'm going to check docs in my area |
07-21-2006, 10:52 AM
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Hi
For me the cost of sub was not bad because my hmo pays for most of it. As for taking vics they dont work when on sub it block the effect of the pills anyway you wont want them sub totaly takes away all w/d and any mental disire to use them just that simple. |
07-21-2006, 01:40 PM
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Do you think this would work....or is it like grasping at straws...since subx is basically an opiate weaning program..allowing your body to wean from heavy dose of vics and replacing it smaller doses of subx..correct......I am also prescribed Morphine sulfate short acting..as a supplemental to my vics for break thru pain...when I take those...mainly due to running out of vics...I only need to take 3 or 4 a day..and the weird cravy feeling does'nt happen...so my thought could I do my withdraw with these instead...taper and wean with these over a 2-3 week period...???? |
07-21-2006, 03:07 PM
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Even though Ultram (tramadol) is a pseudo-opiate, your receptors don't know that. All they know is that they don't need endorphins, cause they're already saturated with a satisfactory, or superior substitute. This being the reason you experience the ****py feeling. I really think you should due ALOT of research on suboxone before jumping on that wagon. You really don't want to substitute one addiction for another. For some people sub is great. Many others are finding it very hard to get off of sub. If you are considering it I would recommend short term use. Maybe 3 months max. This is just MY OPINION. Please do some research. Check out this site. Has a suboxone forum. Enjoy, I hope it helps.... http://www.opiatedetoxrecovery.com
In 2 days it will be 6 months completly drug free. No methadone or suboxone used. WOO HOO!!!!!!!
Living proof it can be done!
Chrish~ How ya doing?
Girlie~ Hang in there, i'm thinking about you!
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07-21-2006, 03:18 PM
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Hi again..
Thanks for some of the posts....I have been reading about Suboxone..and how it is coming off of it....it seems to be a mixed bag...some people are o.k. where as others aren't...I have about 100 Norcos left today...I haven't used since 10PM last night and I have my suboxone to start....I am questioning it at the moment though..I am already in mild w/d's..runny nose..sweats..little bit of diarrhea...I am worried about starting it over the weekend without being able to call my doctor at his office...I am thinking "maybe I can wean down" although everytime I try that it doesn't work..gee I wonder why....[B)]Anyway..if anyone has any ideas I would be open to them...
Thanks
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07-21-2006, 04:14 PM
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Hi
Go for the sub it works some people can go cold turkey and thats great but if you cant the sub is the way to go I can tell you for a fact there are days that I forget to take my sub or I leave home without some and I would have NEVER done that with my vics MTNSKR you need to decide if your tiered of the pills, because once you start the sub the norco wont work for awhile you cant have both I know this for fact if you are fed up with the hydro and you cant quit on your own use the sub you will be so happy and clear headed again you will be thanking anyone who told you to doit. |
07-21-2006, 04:20 PM
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Clueless
Congrats i'm so happy for you I can remember when you first started and I was still on everything you helped me get were i'm today I'm not 100% free but I feel 100% better keep it up your doing a great job in your life and in other addicts thank you. |
07-21-2006, 06:08 PM
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brett, congrats on the six days....seems like y ou are doing good. what did you mean by 108-110? you talking about weight? 110lbs aint nuttin! Shoot i'm 220 on a good day. Unless you are like 4'6" or somethin (and even so) 110 aint nuttin!!! Keep up the strength, dont sink again after 6 days. Get on with your life regardless! Even if you slip and take a pill, forget it and dont look back. The only way you wont be able to get on with your life is if you fall in to heavy USING routines agaain.
sparky, thats good you are looking for personal help/support from a family member....but remember, it is going to be YOU that does this.....dont just depend or rely on somebody else and then end up dissapointed when the adiction still thrives. YOU gotta be strong for YOURSELF. I know you can do it.
sparky, i've said this before too...you claim 10 - 20 pills per day that you are taking....not trying to be mean, but what that usually means is 20 per day. Start keeping GOOD track of it, if your numbers seem too high or embarassing, you can lie about the actual number on here, but you need to keep track that way if you took one or two less today than yesterday, we can try to encourage you more.
mtnskr
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nj
thank you for the info about subx.....
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07-21-2006, 07:04 PM
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Tinkers...Thanks for the support..really...I swear it helps...I called my doctor a few hours ago and we talked for a bit...he said to just hang in there...I then told him that I took a few Xanax for the anxiety I was feeling...well....oops on that one...Evidentely there have been reported cases of "respritory depression" when taking Xanax with Suboxone...anyway he wants me to wait another 24-48 hours just to be safe to start my induction again...he said it may not make a difference but if it does he would like to be available....so I get to put this off for another day and a half..which is weird..because I only had 6 1/2 hours left till I could take the Sub....Luckily my husband has been great....I do know I am running out of "welcomes" with him though..cuz' we have been on this roller coaster for a while now and it really affects how I am towards him and the kids...I have two step dtrs..who are in the teenage years and they are a little hard to handle...We have been together 14 years and we have a 9 year old son who is just amazing...I look at him and then sometimes have to go in the other room and cry because I feel like I am letting him down...I also drink..which intensifies the Vikes...which of course is bliss...
To answer the other question...YES! I am done with the pills...It is weird that I wake up in the morning and my first thought is...pills..pills..pills...I have been desperate for a solution and some help and I am hoping the Sub works..My doctor is very pro....get on it and then off asap...he doesn't really believe in maintenance with it..he would like me off of it in 30 days or so...Which is what I am shooting for...Again I would love to hear from anyone..
Take Care
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07-21-2006, 07:31 PM
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husbands...home...guess ...no message..tday... |
07-22-2006, 02:16 AM
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sparky, not sure what that meant...but if you look on page "124" of this thread, you will see a couple messages from today (7/21) i addressed you in at least one spot. maybe since it went to new page "125" you didnt see the ones just prior?
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07-22-2006, 10:22 AM
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wannabe normal...thanks for caring....actually that meant..I was just about to sit down and type something for the day and up drove hubby...this site and my plight are still a mystery to him...funny ha? |
07-24-2006, 08:18 AM
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MTNSR
Well I'm glad you said that you are done and yes you should not take anti depression meds on sub I read that it says clearly to not do that I hope you stick with it it work I just wish I would have started on a lower dose and got off it faster but it turns out my doc is new to the sub program so he is learning alot for me and my wife because we always tell the truth thats important when your an addict to build trust. I only read this board during the week at work so sorry if i dident post sooner I'll be around today I you need something. |
07-24-2006, 01:32 PM
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Everybody - If you are taking Suboxone, make sure you check with your prescribing doctor before mixing anything with it. I once read on this board that there were reported deaths with suboxone/alcohol mixtures as well as other mixing issues. I am not an expert or a doctor, but it appears to be potentially very dangerous to be mixing other drugs with Suboxone. Also, if you decide to take the Suboxone route, make sure you are also mixing in some therepy and/or a 12 step program like NA. I have read that Suboxone is often not effecive long term without such a program to go along side it. I am not knocking Suboxone - I'm just saying make sure you are getting the mental therepy you need also or the chance of relapse within 2 years appears to be great. Also, like NS Clueless said, try not to stay on it for too long or you could be going from one problem to another. If you must use it, more power too you, but use it wisely.
Chrish
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07-24-2006, 01:34 PM
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NS Clueless ~ CONGRATS ON 6 MONTHS CLEAN!  I know it was yesterday.
Chrish
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Drugs are a big lie. Don't believe the lie.
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07-25-2006, 01:54 AM
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I just wanted to say hello and say I'm sorry for not posting in a while. I am down to 4 pills a day versus the 15 or so I used to take. This web-site has helped me so much! How is Brett doing? Anyone know?
I'll stay in touch.
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07-25-2006, 05:34 PM
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How much do you need to worry about being red flagged???Is it only when its connected to insurance? or is it iff any doc or pharmacy feels suspicious they look you up on some central data base..seems that any new doc you go to would plugg your name in on that central data base..to be on the safe side...any info on that subject |
07-25-2006, 05:38 PM
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Hi Again
Thanks again Tinkers...yeah I guess there can be some really harsh reactions...I guess it makes sense with a narcotic....I am going to my first NA meeting tomorrow....I have been to some AA meetings with my sister who is an alcoholic...who has a year sober..Can anyone relate to the taper thing..and what is appropriate...Someone told me 20 percent every week or so...
Good Luck to everyone...
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07-27-2006, 05:10 PM
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Sparky..
I was wondering that same thing just the other day..maybe you could email me...It would be nice to have someone to talk to about what this is all about.. mtnskr@sbcglobal.net
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