[chrish1]

Hi - a quick note about weaning. It may not work for everyone, but it did work for me. It can be done over a period of several weeks. The key is to go down in quantity a little bit each week. Another thing that was key in my case was having a close person dispense the pills on the set weaning schedule. Having another person in possession of the painkillers was very important to me, but make sure that person is strong enough to say NO when you start asking them for more. When I got down to 1 or 2 a day, I started attending NA meetings, and I've been clean ever since then- 8 months ago.

Chrish

Clean Date: 10/11/05

Drugs are a big lie. Don't believe the lie.

***HOW TO FIND LOCAL NA MEETINGS****

http://www.na.org/links-toc.htm

[gettinoff]

Angela H,

This is the regimen I set for myself and I never deviated.

For one thing, you have to have an ample amount of drugs to successfully wean.

My prescribed dosage was: 3/40 mg Oxycontin and 2 10-325 Percocet daily.

I was taking that amount give or take the Percocet every day. There were some days I took more Percocet, some none.

So, I sat this schedule to get off:

Week 1, I went to 2 40 mg of Oxycontin.

Week 2, I went to 1 40 mg of oxycontin and 5 Percocet (Each Percocet is equal to 4 mg of Oxycontin in strength according to my Pharmacist) so week to took me from 80 mg of Oxy to an equivalent of 60

Week 3 1 40 mg Oxycontin and 3 Percocet

Week 4 I took 1 20 mg of Oxycontin on Monday and Tuesday with 5 percocet on Wednesday and Thursday I cut the Oxycontin to 10 mg and

5 Percocet for the rest of week 4
Week 5 I reduced to 5 Percocet for a week

Week 6 I reduced to 3 Percocet for Monday Tuesday and Wednesday (For these 3 days, I purchased a good pill splitter and split the Percocet in halves and took 1 half Percocet 6 times a day, this give more of a time release effect and keeps the highs and lows at a minimum), On Thursday of week 6 I cut 2 Percocet into thirds and took 1/3 Percocet 6 times on Thursday and on Friday I went cold turkey.

My first 48 hours I had a lot of anxiety and insomnia. I'm now on day 5, but last night was my 4th night cold turkey. I took an Ambien and 50 mg of Trazodone and I slept 9 hours last night. It felt soooooooooo good to sleep after about 6 nights of very little.

Once I got to 3 Percocet a day I was pretty anxious and I decided it was like cutting your leg off 1 inch at a time so on Friday of the 6th week I stopped them.

I had very little nausea; I took an average of 1 1/2 phenegran for the first 2 days. I had very little diarrhea. My primary complaint would be the nervousness/anxiousness and insomnia that lasted for the last 5 to 6 days of my weaning process.

This is day 5 and I feel pretty darned good.

I should add that I do still suffer from lots of pain but my physician has prescribed Ultram for the pain. I took 1 on my first day cold turkey and as the narcotics got out of my system I needed more for the pain, but I'm now on 4 a day and it is handling the pain pretty good. Not as well as the Narcs, but the narcs were literally stealing my life. I didn't feel like getting out of the house. I actually think in a day or two I may re-enter the human race.

I feel that much better off the narcotics.

I feel the most important aspect of weaning is to establish as slow of a plan as your stock of pills will allow and then determine that you will not reach for more. If you neeed, have someone hold on to your pills if you need. Let a friend or spouse keep them. I didn't have to do this because I was so sick of them I was desparate to get off.

My next goal is to wean off the trazadone since they do leave me a tad hung-over and I'm told the Ambien won't.

Best wishes to all who are trying to get off and to all who have responded to my requests for information.

Best Regards,

[abey042000]

Gettinoff~
I have a question for you. Is 100mgs of Trazodone alot to take at the start of them. Is this pill also used as a sleeper?

[Prevenger]

Hello all... It's nice to find people who struggle with the same burden I do. I go through withdrawal at least twice a month. Stadol NS is my demon. I suffer from migraines. Sometimes Stadol causes my migraines! But of course I have none left at that point. And when I get a legitimate migraine...I have none then, either.
Well, I dont want to ramble in my first post. Just wanted to give a quick overview of my situation. I am in my third day of withdrawal right now. VERY tired and achy. Though I just started Lyrica and that seems to give me a dizziness that I kind of like. It's helping.


Meds-
Cymbalta - 60mg
Topamax - 200mg
Lyrica - 150mg
Stadol/ butorphanol (the demon) 2-3 bottles a month

[Prevenger]

Hello all... It's nice to find people who struggle with the same burden I do. I go through withdrawal at least twice a month. Stadol NS is my demon. I suffer from migraines. Sometimes Stadol causes my migraines! But of course I have none left at that point. And when I get a legitimate migraine...I have none then, either.
Well, I dont want to ramble in my first post. Just wanted to give a quick overview of my situation. I am in my third day of withdrawal right now. VERY tired and achy. Though I just started Lyrica and that seems to give me a dizziness that I kind of like. It's helping.


Meds-
Cymbalta - 60mg
Topamax - 200mg
Lyrica - 150mg
Stadol/ butorphanol (the demon) 2-3 bottles a month

[gettinoff]

abey042000,

I have taken between 50 and 150 mg of Trazodone for many years but my doctor has given me Ambien as I wean off of the Trazadone. Trazadone is an antidepressant that I used just for sleep.

I am fiding, the further away I get from the narcotics, that the narcotics were a part of my sleep problem in the beginning.

When I was first injured I took 2 5-325 hydrocodone daily. At such a small dosage (I took it as needed which usually meant at night I had a low content in my blood) with the low content, it left me nervous, and thus the need for the trazadone. I am hoping that the further I get down the road away from the narcotics that I'll not need much of a sleep aid in the future.

My physician has told me that 100 mg of Trazadone is not a high dosage. When it was first prescribed it was one 50 mg per night and I eventually went up to 2 to 3.

[tinkers]

GITTINOFF

GOOD TO HERE THAT YOU ARE OFF THE PAIN MEDS BUT SO YOU KNOW ULTRAM IS HABIT FORMING ALSO I USE TO USE THEM WHEN I WOULD RUN OUT OF MY NARCS AND FROM WHAT I HEAR SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST AS HOOKED TO ULTRAM AS ANYTHING ELSE ALSO THE SLEEP THING I THINK EVERYONE HOOKED ON PAIN MEDS USED SOME FORM OF SLEEP AID THEY KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND ALSO THE DEPRESION MEDS ITS ALL ONE BIG MESS BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE LONGER YOUR OFF THE NARCS THE LESS SLEEP YOUR BODY NEEDS WHEN YOUR ON THE NARCS ITS LIKE YOUR RECOVERING FROM A HANGOVER EVERY DAY AND EVERY NIGHT YOUR BODY IS JUST SO WORN OUT BUT IT DOES GET BETTER I HAVE BEEN OFF OF PAIN MEDS FOR ABOUT 3 MONTHS NOW AND I STILL TAKE OTC SLEEP AID IM NOT SURE IF I STILL NEED THEM BUT I TAKE THEM ANYWAY SO GOOD LUCK

[cluelessNJ]

Tinker~ I'm glad your doing well! Are you still taking the suboxone? Hows the wife doing now? I am so proud of you guys!


Chrish~ Hey buddy! I sent you an e-mail. How is everything?

Girlie~ I always love when you pop in! Hang in there and keep the desire to quit! Your time will come sweetie!

Angela~ How are you?

Not so clueless,

CLEAN DATE 1/23/06

[gettinoff]

Tinkers,

I have no choice but to take some form of pain medicine.

I have an unoperative ruptured cervical disk and stenosis of the spinal canal. I cannot go without something for relief.

From what I've experienced so far with the Untram, there's no euphoric high and there's no hangover from them the next day.

They are also not opiates, so they have to be an improvement.

I know I feel much better taking them than I did the narcs, plus, they are not supposed to build a resistance lik narcotics do so unless your condition worsens you shouldn't have to increase your dosage.

[tinkers]

HI ALL

CLUELESS

THANKS FOR ASKING ABOUT US AND YES IM STILL ON THE SUB I TAKE ABOUT 2 A DAY ITS FUNNY BECAUSE SOMETIMES I FORGET TO TAKE THEM AND I HURRY UP AND DO IT [u]I WOULD NEVER FORGET TO TAKE A NARC[u] NEVER</u></u> ANYWAY WERE GOOD HOPE YOUR DOING WELL.

GETTINOFF


WELL I GUESS IF YOU DO HAVE PAIN ULTRAM IS BETTER THAN THE NARCS BUT I DO KNOW FIRST HAND THAT THEY ARE ADDICTIVE AND DO CAUSE A HIGH IF THEY ARE TAKEN WRONG I HAVE 3 BULGED DISCS AND STENOSIS OF THE SPIN I JUST DONT NEED TO TAKE PILLS ALL THE TIME FOR IT YEARS AGO I WOULD NEVER TAKE ANY PILLS UNTILL MY INTRO TO NARCS THEN ONCE I STARTED TO TAKE THEM MY PAIN GOT WORSE AND WORSE IT WAS ALL IN MY MIND WHEN THE PAIN DOES GET BAD ITS NOTHING AN ICE PACK AND OTC MEDS CANT HANDLE BECAUSE OTCS DO WORK IF YOUR NOT LOADED UP ON NARCS OR GOING THROUGH W/D WELL I HOPE YOU DO WELL AND KEEP UP THE HARD WORK I KNOW ITS HARD BEEN THERE ULTRAM IS BETTER THAN WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TAKING IT IS A DEFINET START GOOD LUCK LET ME KNOW IF I CAN HELP I HAVE MANY YEARS OF STUPIDY UNDER MY BELT.

[abey042000]

Tinkers~
Hello, I just read your last post here. I really think it depends on the person as to what they need to control pain. I have 2 buldged discs in my lumbar area, and it has caused nerve problems also. When u do strenous activity or try to accomplish to many things in one day, the buldged disc actually herniates out and irritates and rubs the nerves in that area. I currently take 10mgs of percs,2 every 4-6 hours when I'm having a REAL bad day, but if I'm feelin good I only take my ultram. Ultram doesnt do much for me, but I also know it's because of my tolerance to meds. My pain spec. is thinking about taking me off the percs and just giving me a timed release narc. that will help control the pain better and longer. I dont care for the euphoria feeling that u get with narcs, so going to time rel. will be a nice change, as long as they get me some release. I also take Effexor for depression and I think that goes along for most people that deal with chronic pain daily as well. I really enjoy your posts, u always bring things to light. Lord, bless you!

[tinkers]

HI ALL

WELL I HOPE YOU ALL GET MY POINT ABOUT THE PAIN MEDS I KNOW ALOT OF DOCTORS WILL TELL YOU THAT ULTRAM IS'NT HABIT FORMING BUT I KNOW THAT IT IS. ABEY THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT NERVES, SOME DAYS MY LEGS GO NUTS FROM MY DISCS (3) HITTING THE NERVE BUT I JUST CANT TAKE NARCS THEY REALLY DONT EVEN WORK IF THE PAIN GETS TO BAD. WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU HURT IF YOU TRY TO DO TO MUCH IN ONE DAY I FEEL YOU THERE TOO, IM AN INDUSRIAL MECHANIC SO MOST OF MY DAY IS HARD NOT TO MENTION THAT I HAVE TO WALK ABOUT 3 MILES A DAY TO WORK FROM MY TRAINS SO I REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN. I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU TO BE CARFULL ABOUT THE TIME RELEASE MEDS IVE BEEN ON SOME OF THOSE ALSO AND SOME OF THEM ARE PRETTY STRONG AND THEY CAN BE ABUSED SO PLEASE BE CAREFULL. YOU SAID THAT YOU ALSO TAKE EFFEXOR WELL EVERY ONE I KNOW THAT TAKES PAIN MEDS TAKES SOME KIND OF ANTIDEPRESSENT THEY GO HAND IN HAND AND THEY ALL POINT BACK TO THE PAIN MEDS. ABEY ON A SIDE NOT MY WIFE TAKES EFFEXOR SHE HAS BEEN FOR ABOUT 4 MONTHS WHAT ARE THE SIDE EFFECTS IF SHE QUITS SHE TAKES 75MG A DAY AND I DONT EVEN KNOW IF THEY ARE DOING ANY THING SHE GOT THEM TO HELP WITH W/D BECAUSE OF THE PILLS. [u]DAM PAIN PILLS THEY WILL RUIN YOUR LIFE</u>.........

[abey042000]

Tinkers~
Just to clarify myself alittle better........I started taking Effexor about 4 years ago, BEFORE I even had back probs.along with chronic pain. Also studies show that, people that live with chronic pain DO become depressed (makes sense to me). Also a person can take pain meds and narcs, and not become addicted to them, although I'm not one of them, I do know many. Thanks for your concern, as I have done alot of research regarding my injury and illness. As for your wife, I've never heard of someone taking Effexor for withdraw. But the one thing I can tell you is it is very hard to stop taking it once started because their are many, many side effects that are not pleasant. If I go a couple days without the Effex. let's just say I'm not a happy camper. It does help me with the depression and does alleviate my moods. I've never personally had to stop taking it, so I'm not sure what the best way to go would be. I know Ive seen a thread on here before about Effexor and tapering from them, so u might wanna do some reading on that. I would advise that she NOT stop cold turkey. Hope this helps. Take care, and Lord bless ya!

[tinkers]

ABEY
THANKS FOR THE INFO ILL LOOK INTO THE BOARD ABOUT EFFEXOR IT CAME ABOUT WHEN SHE WAS GOING THROUGH WITHDRAWL AND SHE WAS DEPRESSED MOOD SWINGS THE WHOLE BIT AND SHE KEPT TAKING THEM TO HELP WITH THAT IM NOT AN EXPEERT ON PILLS AND ADDICTION SO DONT TAKE WHAT I SAY WRONG I JUST KNOW THAT TO MANY PEOPLE TODAY DEPEND ON PILLS TO MUCH AND IT HASE CAUSED A HUGE PROBLEM IT ALMOST COST ME EVERYTHING SO I JUST DONT LIKE TO HER ABOUT PEOPLE POSSIBLY HEADING DONT THAT ROAD IVE WENT DOWN SO MANY TIMES IVE TURNED MY LIFE AROUND OFER THE PAST FEW YEARS AND I STILL HAVE ALOT OF WORK TO DO SO EVERY ONE BE AWARE AND DONT THINK YOU CAN ALEAYS HANDLE IT IVE SEEN THESE THINGS RUIN MANY PEOPLES LIVES STRONG SMART PEOPLE PEOPLE THAT YOU THINK HAVE THE WORLD BY THE BALLS.

[patmamma]

Hi Everyone!
I am new here, not so clueless, clued me in to you all, thanks! I am now on day 11 from completely quitting taking percocets after 4 years of serious sports injury and a kidney donation, (sadly, that is when it all started).

I think it is so interesting to read that the sleep is an issue with most people here. I was beginning to think I was just broken that way. I am alternating what I take at night, between ambien and trazedone, just till I am clear of the narcotics. I figure it will work better if I focus on one thing at a time. I will then, whenever then is, start breaking my ambien until it is only a 1/4 dose( that usually has worked in the past), then move to valarian root, then, maybe nothing.

I feel so screwed up, i sweat and am cold at the same time. I feel great overall, still road and mountain bike racing through all of this, but last night I felt really tired. Nothing new to all of you, I feel like I have to be connected to you all right now, I really appreciate you contacting me, more than you know!
patmamma

Another question, anyone felt physically stronger as they got off percs?

[tinkers]

PATMAMMA

WELCOME TO OUR LITTLE GROUP YEP WE HAVE ALL BEEN THERE AND YES YOU DO GET A BIG RUSH OF ENERGY WHEN YOU QUIT USING BUT DONT COUNT ON IT LASTING TO LONG IT USALLY LAST UNTILL YOU SAY I CAN TAKE JUST ONE I CAN HANDLE IT THIS TIME. I HOPE THATS NOT YOU ITS BEEN ME MANY TIMES SO ITS NICE TO HEAR FROM YOU AND GOOD LUCK

[patmamma]

Hi, thanks for the welcome Tinkers!
I had not had a burst of energy, more like, when I am riding, I feel stronger, maybe just more aware of my body. I have never tried to quit taking the pain pills before because I needed them. Or I guess I thought I did. As soon as I began feeling better, I decided to clean up. I hope I am going to stay as focused on that as I am right now, because there is no way on earth I would ever go back to day one, not unless I am on death's door. I just feel silly saying any of this, because i can see why someone out there might say, "oh yeah, I thought the same thing, but then, bam, I went back." The thing I am thinking of though, is how when I used to smoke, (yuk!), I decided one day to quit, and never, ever went back. I had to have one last pack, in my house to know that I had control over it, and never broke the seal of the pack. When I found out my husband had thrown it away some 2 years later, I was actually mad. But, I cant even stand the smell of smoke now. I am counting on my freaking stubborn nature to pull me through this....because no matter how my body complains, the brain is in charge, and I REFUSE to give in. Please dont tell me I am naive, I have to believe in myself no matter how stupid that sounds.
Patmamma[:I]

[cluelessNJ]

Hi Patmamma~ Welcome! You do have to believe in yourself! Its good to be stubborn. I am and I till this time have not had a relapse. I feel like I am in competition with my head and i'm not willing to lose. Keep us posted on how you are.

Chrish~ Where you at?????????????? I miss you!

Not so clueless,

CLEAN DATE 1/23/06

[patmamma]

I am at the end of day 11, sorry, but I feel i have to check in....it makes me feel better![:I]

I wanted to tell anyone who is interested, that today I feel sooooooo much better! I am not tired, and until now have been at this time. I think I might be cresting this wave!!!!!yeehaw! Anyone who is scared to start detoxing, it is so worth it! I wouldnt have thought I could ever say these things, but you will survive, and in just a wee short time you will feel alot better! I will keep you all posted, (cause that is what I do), and I hope not to be writing another post complaining of hard times.

I cant wait to have my clean date posted, and have it be listed as months and months.

I will not take those nasty things again, (God willing)
Patmamma

[tinkers]

PATMAMMA

HI HOW YOU DOING? IM GLAD YOU ARE SO STUBORN IT IS A GOOD THING IN THIS CASE AND YOU DO HAVE TO BELIEVE IN YOUR SELF. I KNOW OF SOME PEOPLE THAT CAN JUST SAY IM DONE AND THATS IT FOR THEM AND OTHERS THEY WILL FALL DOWN A FEW TIMES AND THAT OK AS LONG AS YOU GET BACK UP AND TRY AGAIN I KNOW WITH ME I COULD QUIT COKE AND BEER AND I HAVE AND NEVER LOOKED BACK BUT PILLS WERE VERY HARD FOR ME I'M NOT SURE WHY BUT IT WAS AND I NEEDED HELP WITH THAT I KNOW IM NOT OVER THE HUMP YET BUT I SURE FEEL ALOT BETTER THAN I DID WHEN I WAS LOOKING FOR NARCS ALL THE TIME AND I HAVE MORE MONEY SO KEEP USE POSTED AND I WILL PRAY FOR YOU PRAY DOES WORK YOU JUST NEED FAITH IN GOD AND IT WILL WORK.

[patmamma]

Tinkers,
Thanks so much for thinking of me. I also believe that prayer does work! I couldn't do anything at all in my life without my faith....I appreciate all the prayer I can get

I woke up this morning, and forgot how many days it has been. I had to look in my training journal, (which I keep for racing), to add it up....12 days and counting! I see the world now in a whole different light! Instead of lingering in bed, not wanting to get up, I get right up! I also think about how my doctors wont be seeing me, and they will forget all about me...that makes me feel great!

I think alot about those of you who do need to see a doctor often for very legitimate reasons, and it is sad that we have become chained to this stupid class of drugs because it is the best the doctors could do. You all who are making it, barely making it and trying to make it under those circumstances are amazing and strong to me!

I will check in later to see how you all are doing.
Patmamma

[gettinoff]

Tinkers,

It is important to note that not all people respond the same to certain medications.

I have a friend who has been taking Ultram for years and has never experienced the highs you mention. I have been taking them for about 8 days now and I have not experienced any type of high at all.

On days when my pain is not as bad I can take one, or if it is worse, I will take up to 6, but I have no craving for them at all on the days I take less.

That is in stark contrast to the narcotics. Regardless of your level of pain, the narcotics created a thrist in your system for more.

That's not to say you don't experience a high from Ultram, I'm sure you do. It's just to point out that some people's makeup responds differently to certain medications.

When I first began this long journey with pain (10 years now) I was prescribed many medications that I could not tolerate, Lorazepam, Clonopin, Depakote (forgive the spellig?) just to name a few and I could not tolerate any of them. Whereas, many people find one of those drugs to be their answer to the problem.

Just as all drugs are unique, so are individuals.

God seemed to get a thrill out of making us that way.

According to the statistics, very few people become addicted to Ultram. But, the incidence is higher with people who have abused narcotics. Thereto, there's a vast difference between narcotics abusers and people who become dependent due to pain and take the drugs as prescribed. While both run the risk of addiction, the abuser's misuse of the drugs does entirely different things to their bodies than the prescribed user.

Regards,

[tinkers]

HI ALL

I'M NOT HERE TO GET INTO BATTLES WITH NO ONE I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP SOME PEOPLE IF THEY WANT IT AND ULTRAM IF YOU TAKE IT AS prescribed IM SURE THERE FINE BUT IM AN ADDICT AND MOST ADDICT DONT TAKE ANYTHING AS prescribed 1 MEANS 4 AND SO ON SAYING THAT YOU WILL GET A BUSS FROM ULTRAM IF YOU MISS USE THEM.

YOU KNOW I WAS READING IN ANOTHER THREAD IN HERE AND IT WAS FUNNY TO ME TO SEE PEOPLE JUSTIFING THERE ADDICTION AND ENCOURAGING OTHERS TO DO THE SAME THAT SAID, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BULGED DISC OR 2 DOSENT MEAN YOUR IN PAIN MANY PEOPLE HAVE THAT PROBLEM AND DONT EVEN KNOW IT ITS CALLED LIFE OR JUST GETTING OLD AND WE ADDICT USE THIS AS A MEANS TO GET WHAT WE WANT FROM DOCTORS OR WHO EVER CAN WRITE A SCRIPT DONT FOOL YOURSELFS TRY GOING WITHOUT FOR AWAIL AND SEE HOW YOU FEEL YOUR MIND WILL PLAY TRICKS ON YOU AND TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE IN SO MUCH PAIN YOU CANT BEAR IT THATS **** YOUR MIND ISENT WORKING RIGHT IT TAKES TIME FOR IT TO GET BACK TO NORMAL AND PRODUCE YOU NATURAL PAIN FIGHTERS THATS SAID DONT GET ME WRONG SOME PEOPLE REAL DO NEED PAIN PILLS AND ADDICTS LIKE US MAKE IT HARD FOR THEM BY GOING TO ALL THESE DOCTORS AND MAKING UP THESE PAINS JUST TO GET HIGH OR TO TAKE THE EDGE OFF OUR IMAGINARE PAINS SORRY IF I OFFENEDED SOME PEOPLE BUT THE TRUTH DOES HURT I HAVE A SAYING I CAN SWALLOW ALOT OF PILLS EXCEPT THE TRUTH ITS IS A HARD PILL TO SWALLOW

[patmamma]

Hey Tinkers,
I like your quote! So true!
Patmamma

[cluelessNJ]

Its very quiet in here! Anyone around?



Not so clueless,

CLEAN DATE 1/23/06

[outdrlvr]

Tinkers has been so busy yelling on everyone's threads I think they've all run away

[patmamma]

Im still here, I just didnt want to have a conversation with myself...[:I]

Just to check in, with anyone, myself, whatever....I am on day 14, and excited to get this behind me.

I have to say, I find myself thinking, im bored, maybe i will just get that last prescription, and have one, then give them to someone I trust in case I get hurt later on....I am definately still dealing with that kind of garbage.

Well, just thought I would say Im still here, going for a four hour mountain bike ride today, so see ya later.
Christie

[girlie girl]

Hey Clueless!! Im here! So how have you been love? I just wanted to say thank you to You and Abbey for telling me not to give up. I really need to hear that sometimes.
Abbey, are you still clean? Has your depression gotten worse since you got off pain meds? How many and what were you taken?
Chrish where are you at honey?
Pat Mama, welcome to our group!! We are very happy to have you.
Tinkers, you are so right about the truth being the hardest Pill to swallow.

Girlie Girl

[chrish1]

Hey Girlie[:0]. I'm right here. I've been pretty busy, and the next week or so is going to stay really busy. I'm hanging in there though.

Yes, the truth is the hardest pill to swallow. That is because most people are experts at lying to themselves.

Chrish



Clean Date: 10/11/05

Drugs are a big lie. Don't believe the lie.

***HOW TO FIND LOCAL NA MEETINGS****

http://www.na.org/links-toc.htm

[tinkers]

HI ALL

PATMAMMA GOOD FOR YOUR YOU IM SO GLAM YOUR STAYING CLEAN ITS SUCH A GOOD FEELING ISENT IT? GOOD LUCK AND HAVE BLESSED DAY I'LL BE PRAYING FOR YOU

CHRISH

YES MOST PEOPLE ARE LYING TO THEMSELFS THAT HAS BEEN MY POINT I'M GLAD SOMRONE GETS IT.

OUTDRLVR

I'M NOT YELLING AT ANYONE I'M JUST TELLING THE TRUTH FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE AND IT HURTS SOME PEOPLE BECAUSE IT FITS THEM THER NOT DIFFERENT FROM ANYONE HERE WE ALL DID WHAT WE HAD TO DO TO GET ARE DRUGS AND IF THAT MENT TELLING OURSELF WE ARE IN PAIN WHEN WERE NOT THEM THATS WHAT WE DID.

EVERYONE

STOP LYING TO YOURSELFS THE SAYING SAYS THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE ITS VERY TRUE!