[theresalee]

Summer,
You can do this!!!! I didn't read what you take and hom much b/c this thread has a lot of posts!!! but I have been through this many times.. Is there a way you can maybe call someone like a counselor or maybe a sponser from NA? I'm not a big fan of NA but i believe in their support system... Once you stop completely you will be over the wrost in 3 or 4 days. Some depression may lenger but it gets better a little at a time.. Try and measure success in weeks instead of days.. that will help and when the time comes keep the hot baths coming.. If you need to talk let me know, I will try to help the best I can!!!! Hang in there you can do this!!!! Theresa

Terri

[RoC1909]

Hey all,

I posted earlier about going to a pain specialist today and so I did. I mentioned to him that I was taking quite a few 13+ Norco's on average a day (more like 20 - 30) for the pain (as well as my stupid addiction) and he decided to start me on Avinza instead. He mentioned that the Norco's only give you a "crash high" i.e you get euphoric quickly and then come down not too long later (of course this all depends on the tolerance of the individual taking them) but the Avinza's are a time released pill that will keep Morphine coursing through your body for up to 24 hours. I took one when I got my prescription filled (had to wait a hour PLUS for State Fund to authorize them) and about 4 hours later I am still not feeling anything. I seem to be going through very light withdrawls (nervousness, general malaise feeling) but nothing else. I am still feeling pain but as long as it's not interfering with anything I want to do, I guess I can handle that.

I still want to get off of these things and the "prescription cocktail" that I mentioned in a earlier post seemed to help in a lot of ways, just for the fact your mind really wants them as well as the body (oh those withdrawls. How I love them ).

Good luck to all in each of their own endeavors!!

J

[wifestyles]

Hey guys...I haven't been on here in awhile, I guess my 'story' is one of the older ones now, but I just wanted to commend ourselves on some awesome bravery- in wanting to commit to quitting, having the guts to get on here and talk about it, and getting help.

I do think its amusing when a post is posted ridiculing even what could appear as a 'baby syndrome' compared to what apparently should be blamed on hydrocodone...

All these posts are different, just as whatever pain pills started us all being here in the first place in fact are DIFFERENT. Whether they are major narcotics or just non-addictive Ultram. These posts are deeply personal, and describe the personal battles we are having, and are honestly sharing. If that tends to disturb someone, that we all are different, don't feel too overly compelled to invite yourself.

So please, if I'm incorrect here, by all means please put me in my place, anyone. Kick me off the site, whatever. But for some reason, I feel that no one wants to have their Ultram addiction/dependency, or any other non-hydrocodone addiction, blamed on hydrocodone, or much less be given a pharmacology lesson by someone no more interesting or informed than an outdated drug handbook.

[RoC1909]

quote:Originally posted by wifestyles

Hey guys...I haven't been on here in awhile, I guess my 'story' is one of the older ones now, but I just wanted to commend ourselves on some awesome bravery- in wanting to commit to quitting, having the guts to get on here and talk about it, and getting help.

I do think its amusing when a post is posted ridiculing even what could appear as a 'baby syndrome' compared to what apparently should be blamed on hydrocodone...

All these posts are different, just as whatever pain pills started us all being here in the first place in fact are DIFFERENT. Whether they are major narcotics or just non-addictive Ultram. These posts are deeply personal, and describe the personal battles we are having, and are honestly sharing. If that tends to disturb someone, that we all are different, don't feel too overly compelled to invite yourself.

So please, if I'm incorrect here, by all means please put me in my place, anyone. Kick me off the site, whatever. But for some reason, I feel that no one wants to have their Ultram addiction/dependency, or any other non-hydrocodone addiction, blamed on hydrocodone, or much less be given a pharmacology lesson by someone no more interesting or informed than an outdated drug handbook.

Amen Wifestyles!

Everyone's addiction story is different and I honestly see how this addiction came about with me. I would have NEVER thought it could have happened to me. I never used to make fun of people with this type of problem, but I always wondered HOW it could have happened. I have taken narcotics in the past (I get kidney stones like clockwork every three to four years) and have always STOPPED taking them when I didn't need them anymore. Did I all of a sudden get a "addiction personality"? Maybe I just all of a sudden realized the "euphoria" that took place when I first started taking them this last time (which BTW was for a vehicle accident and the associated "neck problems" that seem to go along with said accidents).

Concerning addictions, I used to drink quite a bit when I was in the military but could never comprehend the fact of being a alcoholic. Some people will say that "alcoholics are born and not made". Others say the opposite. I honestly think that addictions of any sort are TRUE medical issues whether someone was "born with addiction or has the personality to become a addict" or it happened due to "circumstances within or beyond anyone's control", addictions need to be resolved with the help/support of others (Addicts who are members of this board and others) as well as a close group of family and friends and ABOVE ALL, a caring and compassionate doctor that understands the physical and mental issues that we "addicts" have and not look at us as "junkies" (though some will debate that term since we still need a "fix" everyday in order to make it through said day).

Here is a QUICK Example of a compassionate AND a non-compassionate person. A few weeks back I ran out of Norco and my "refill" didn't go through. It was a Saturday so in otherwords, I was SOL in getting my doctor to prescribe since he wasn't/isn't open on weekends. I then had no choice but to go to the emergency room and see what they thought of my dilemna. Yes, I know, I was STUPID but I thought I might be able to make it till Monday. Boy was I wrong!!
Anyway, I told the truth to the nurse that checked me in that I had a narcotic addiction and that "living hell" was not too far away. She was very compassionate and said that she understood the situation that I had brought upon myself BUT, I never got the feeling that I was "labeled or looked down upon" with further discussion with her.
Anyway, I ended up having to wait some odd hours while people with REAL EMERGENCIES was seen before me even though the WD's hadn't kicked in yet, I would have thought completely different if they had When I was finally seen by the doctor, he made me feel as if I was a piece of ********!! Whenever I attempted to answer a question of his, he always cut me off. He was absolutely "no nonsense" in his approach. Basically he had a HUGE ATTITUDE toward me. This was actually the first time that I really thought that I was the "proverbial junkie". At first my feelings were quite hurt but the longer I spent next to this "doctor", I got quite angry. Eventually, I got what I needed (i.e. my fix) and proceeded home.

I have read so many stories of uncompassionate medical professionals from others who post to this forum that it absolutely amazes me. I read often of doctors that don't want to become involved with helping the addict and instead, attempts to "palm them off" onto someone else who might care OR said doctor may even contribute to the cause in order to "shut the addict up". Either way and in my opinion it's wrong, and I honestly think that medical personel should become more "knowledgeable" when it comes to the "pros and cons" of certain medications OR knowing when too much of something may cause problems in the long run. I, myself, will NEVER attribute my addiction to my doctor. I will question his "advise" though about prescribing 300+ Norco's with MULTIPLE REFILLS to someone and not seeing that there quite possibly MIGHT be a issue.

What this all boils down to is everyone's unique situation. Are we "junkies" or are we "truly" people with a medical condition? Does it make a difference that some have their addiction due to a medical problem and the need to "live a life of quality through pain meds"? Or maybe someone got addicted through "experimentation"? Or does the term "junkie" only apply to people who use the "street i.e illegal drugs"? In my reading of articles on the Internet (and of course through BIASED media outlets) concerning addiction either with "medically prescribed drugs" or of the "illicit variety", it's a huge problem either way and people that have never felt the "euphoric" feeling that us "addicts - I like this term a lot better" have felt or the "living hell called WITHDRAWLS", we need to be shown compassion either through friends and family, others who have addictions BUT above all, with doctors who have chosen their profession which entails seeing the sick and well, poor and rich, and addiction and "addiction-less" that may "cross" their medical path.

Best of luck to anyone and their own "personal demons". You can get through it!!

J

I also want to say SORRY for my ramblings and many postings that have happened in this and other threads tonight. I have a SERIOUS BOUT of Insomnia and this feels like a "healthy outlet" in order to vent my issues as well as to remind others that there is life after addiction and that if there is a strong enough will to follow through, we will all be drug free someday....or at least at a more "imaginable level" !!

[theresalee]

Dear Wifestyles,
I so agree with your post in saying every addiction is just that an addiction.. Some are on the heavier stuff but all that means is they have a worse w/d, we still have to suffer the depression and the cravings that addicts do....
I also couldn't help notice were you said non addictive ultram???? I was put on that for more then 7 months and got addicted to it along with a lot of others I know through another forum. It was a worst w/d then I had at a later time on hydro.. I know it was presented as a non narcotic but it is addictive...... and there is nothing Baby about it!!!! It doesn't appear real strong for pain but it is a storng med. if that makes any sence? If you would like more info about its addictiveness etc.. Please click my profile and e-mail me... Maybe you already know? I agree everyone is different in their addictions and life.. No one should compare their pain with someone elses either... Theresa

[wifestyles]

Hey Theresa....oh girl, I know all about the ultram addiction- that is my addiction. I'm not sure if I put that specifically earlier in my story posts way back when, but yes, I have had a seizure that I know deep down in my guts was caused by overusage of Ultram. My reason for posting what I posted earlier, was the somewhat of an 'attack' on ultram abusers that a fellow poster had posted, I want to say on page 8(maybe) how we Ultram addicts/dependents should blame it on the 'real cause'- Hydrocodone. My Ultram issues had in no way any relevance to the occasional hydrocodone I did take. So I, maybe like you in a way, got basically kind of offended that someone would very trashily insinuate that all addiction stems from 'hydrocodone'....I was on Ultram going on 2 years until I had a seizure. I loved the way it would wire me out.

I know I haven't been on here in quite a while, so I'm sure it did come across as snotty for me to place that post, without explanation, but I didn't want to directly approach that post blundtly. I kindof like this website, and I don't want to have to leave, if you can get that...but I would like to maybe talk with some others going thru the same Ultram cravings, so if you want to email me go right ahead! I'm always up for advice or 'mutual' counseling! hee hee So many people get tugged into medication, and justify it simply because we think, or as I thought, 'this is non-narcotic, so its not bad'- WHATEVER...I still wonder how much I could get my house clean with a few of them. Gosh, the mental mind screw is the worst. Thanks for pointing my little error out to me, Theresa! Believe me, I'm not here to downplay anyones dependency, I promise! ha ha


ps- and thank you for explaining my mess up so very kindly!

[startingover]

This is my second step in confronting this addiction. I went to see a Dr. early this week who just said get yourself down to 1or 2 pills a day and make the choice. He gave me a patch, Catapres, which is suppose to curbe withdrawl symptoms. Hydrocodone is my drug of choice. I have never had any pain other than normal every day stress, hate my job, etc.. I wish I could spend 25k and do the nice recovery center by the beach but if I miss one day of work I get grief. I've taken 1 pill this morning at about 5 am which was my last if all goes well. I wish it was by choice but its probably because I don't have any more. I could order more of course but I want to quit so bad. This is a horrible felling and I just wish all of you luck and strength. I really do know what your going thru.

[6PM]

Well, here's an update on the painkiller problem I had before.

What I've been doing for the past month or two, is taking usually three pills per day. I do have a tolerance, indeed- I take Percocet 10/325 (which was just recently released by Endo)

I also take the following medications for my back/neck pain.

- Parafon Forte DSC (Chlorzoxazone) 500mg.
- Robaxin (Methocarbomol) 750mg (don't really take these much anymore)
- Fioricet (Butalbital with APAP) for neck/head pains

I can make my 120 Percocet 10/325 last for 28-30 days, at which point I get another refill. I don't go from Dr. to Dr. to get more pills...I don't take them for the "high" - I take them because I'm in pain and Percocet is the only thing that works. Even though I do get high from them, I don't eat my pills throughout the day. I'll take 2 or three about three hours before I go to bed, and I just relax and read a magazine or spend time with my wife before I go to sleep. During the day, I'll take two to three Parafon Forte to control the spasms I get from just general everyday movement.

There was a point where 120 Percocet lasted me a whole two weeks- I went through the withdrawls thing, it was horrible, I had my life back....then I got another refill, and so it goes.

I'm afraid to completely stop these pills, because I'm afraid of the withdrawls, and most of all, the sharp, shooting, stabbing pains I went through even before I started taking Percocet.

There was a point in my life that I was prescribed 30 vicodin (back for an arm injury when I was 15) and I left 22 in my medicine cabinet, never touched them, and they expired. A few months ago, if they were in the cabinet still, even at 7 years old, I would have taken them- but it doesn't seem as though I'm relying on them to get me through the "day to day" stuff anymore.

You are all so brave, I have the utmost respect for each and every one of you. I guess my only question is....how did those of you who went from Dr. to Dr. not get caught? Did you not have your insurance pay for it? Usually if the insurance pays for multiple painkiller scripts, they refuse to pay, and eventually call your doctor to report that you're being prescribed painkillers from several different doctors.

My other question is- I heard from some of you that you were buying your pain meds from other countries. I don't have the money to do that, but I'm just curious how one can do that and not get caught by customs or something...?

[nomoremeds]

.25mg xanax.. i dont take it everyday and it doesnt really do anything but help relax a bit..

quote:Originally posted by sfc420

no more meds - are you off your xanax yet? this drug can be very habit forming... whats the dosage ur taking currently?
Xanax dependency crept up on me like a thief. Suddenly none of it was working and I needed pill after pill to keep me feeling alright. Its no joke

[bobl101]

quote:Originally posted by becky2

Hi Northcal mom )...yes,let's get one started!you are right,it is a huge problem with moms at home...who would think?since I have confided in a couple of people I have found out that MANY people have been in our situation.I am curious how N.A. goes for you,I think that is a great first step!

I'm in.Bobbie

bobbie

[6PM]

I emailed you. I included my phone number too- call or write if you need an ear.

quote:Originally posted by myemmalee

i have an addiction to mainly percocet but if i cant have that i will take vicodine, or darvocet. i am also pregnant. i have been fighting my self every since i found out that i was pregnant. i am sheduled to have my c-section on 02/14/05 and i feel like i am fighting a battle that has all ready been lost. i am so scared of the outcome. i feel as if i have failed as a mother. i feel like if i could not stop for the life of my unborn child that i will never be able to stop.i dont take them everyday or even every week. but as soonas i get them in my hand its like i cant control putting it in my mouth and swolling it down and then i feel so guilty that i literally make my self sick. i have been tring to find some sort of information on taking painkillers while pregnant but i can never seem to find out what i'm looking for . so if anyone knows of a sight please email it to me please. if anyone has been through what i'm going through please reply back soon b-cuz i feel so alone and i'm so worried about what will be i am worried that i will never get a chance to meet the little girl that lives in me and that i love so so much

[oxyjunkie]

I'm addicted to oxycotin and i got the same way. I had to do something so I went on the Methadone program and it helped with my withdrawls. I still use them, not as much as I did before

Christine Dean

[dejeneration]

I am just curious what is Methadone. I know that it helps get you off painkillers, helps with addiction. Is it a narcotic? Does it have same effects as pain killers?

[Crystal_20]

[u]</u>Hi i am new to this board so heres my story.....I have been with my boyfriend 3 years and the last year and a half he has been abusing painkillers dilaudas,oxycontins,morphine and just about everything else..he was very addicted and he uses needles i tried everything i could to help him and i even left him for 2 months and now we are back together...he went to detox and he finished the program he was in they put him on a methadone program to help with the withdrawls and he was suppose to when he left start a daytox program where he would come in a get it every day but he hasnt and he lives with his brother who uses too but so far for the past week he hasnt used beczuse i see him everyday...what my question is...do u think this is possible for someone who was soo addicted to quit while watching someone else do it??

Crystal!!!

[bobl101]

Now I know I am an addict because I am even addicted to this site. I have been reading it off and on all day. It is amazing how many people share the same problem. Although I am still scared of what is to come, I feel so much better knowing I am not alone. When I read about the wives and mothers taking a perocet or 2 or 3 etc. and cleaning their house I think "THAT IS ME", but there was no cleaning today. Just reading and typing. I am so happy to hear about suboxone. I will definately go that route soon. I just can't imagine functioning without my pills. And as far as the medical profession...that is how I got where I am. I came across a Dr. that was a drug dealer. He gave me 120 perc 10/650, 90 oxy 20,and 100 valium every 22 days, sadly to say for nothing. He actually asked me how my back was and I had never complained about it. 8 years later , here I am now buying them from everyone, getting scripts from whoever will give them to me, and trying to act like it isn't a problem. I know I will be OK now and I am so thankful for this site and everyones stories. Someday I will be able to wake up without motivation in a bottle.The scary thing is, I don't remember who I was. I know I was a very happy person, but I feel happy now. Is it real???? Well talk to you all later. I'm sure I'll be back.

[becky2]

Hi you guys!Started Suboxone today!It ROCKS!I don't have much time to write and will try to post in the morning more details,but just wanted everyone to know how easy it is!I can't tell you how good it felt not counting my frickin pills and seeing everythinso clearly )!!!It's like the sun came back out!!!!I feel like I am going to get my life back in no time!Summer,Bobbie,I tried to e-mail both of you today but I am afraid I did something wrong and htey didn;t get to you :O(..I will post in morn if i can,but hubby is taking my our laptop out of town till fri night,so it may not be until then (.MY #is 253-564-9431 if anybody wants to talk about it :O)have a great night!!!I will expand on this as soon as I can,I promise :O)!!!!

[CheySapphire]

Hi! My name is Susan and I have a Addiction to Painkillers,Like percocets,viks and sometimes oc if my withdrawls are bad and that is all I can get, please help anyone, I need to get off for one I can't afford the habit, and it is getting worst, I have been taking them for about 4 years now, I feel like the control me, that I don't have a life.If I don't have them, I feel light headed, am in the bathroom all day, can't sleep, can't move, if I could stop without all the sickness I will be fine, I losed my mother at 15 teen over drugs, I said I would never be her and here I am now being her. Sometimes I have even thought of deaf to deal with this, I know that at the answer but what do I have left nothing or no one to help me or stand behide me, and am so scared. Thank Susan

Susan37 Mother of 10 and Two grandchildren and one of them live with me.

[mpvt]

Hi Becky: Your on the road to recovery, isn't it great waking up with the weight of the world off your shoulders.Lets hope our other friends here on the board can get on something to make thier lives better to.Good luck and welcome back.....Dave

[gettingout]

To becky2
I'm glad to hear that the sub is working. My story is the same as everyone else's - now I'm up to about 8-10 Norco's. I want out and it seems to me that the suboxone route is the only way. I have my own business therfore no time for w/d's. I can't even take a couple hours of jonesing. I'm curious to know if the sub really helps with the cravings etc., so please keep us updated on your progress and keep up the good work!
JT

[Anyc]

Hi,Susan--

I have been taking hydrocodone for many years, and have gone through the pain of withdrawal many times. What always helped for me during these times was just being very aware of how long the w/d symptoms would last and when I could expect relief. The best way is to taper off as much as you can before stopping completely, but even if you stop cold turkey, you CAN get through it. The symptoms are the worst on the 3rd day, and after that, they get consistently less and are completely gone in about 5/6 days. You will probably not be able to sleep, but you can take over the counter sleeping pills in order to at least get 1 or 2 hours of sleep those first couple of days.
If you can get Valium, that will help the psychological w/d the best. Take lots and lots of baths to ease the chills and muscle aches, have your friends or spouse give you massages, or pay for a professional massage those first couple of days. You CAN get through it!! Just keep telling yourself, "only three more days, only two more days", etc. If you need someone to talk to during your withdrawal, feel free to e-mail me anytime. I am more than happy to help you through it. I've been there and I understand. You will feel so great when you hit that 4th day, you'll wonder why you ever worried about doing it in the first place--I promise, it's a lot easier than you think if you bite the bullet and just hang tough.

anyc

[becky2]

Thanks for the words of encouragement guys!i STRONGLY SUGGEST TO anybody on this board that if you are wanting to get off of these oills ti look inti=o suboxone!I am on day 2 and I don't even have one urge to touch a o=pill!I hate them (.I can't believe that a person like me would have let them take me over this way (as i am surewe all feel )).It really is so eassy too!You just feel great right away and I have not one urge to take those dumbn painkillers!the whole deal is only costing mye about 250 total,well worth it!Think about what you spend to get your pills!Trust me,to drive and walk around seeing everything brighly and clearly is s uch a greta feeling!And to look at oyur kids knowing that you are getting better is an amazing self esteem rush!Trust me,if i can do this ANYBODY can!I have the worst self control in thje world and I am DOINGH IT!!!i won't have access to a computer til sat morning,so won't be able to post,but if anybody wants to call me just to talk,or to hear more about my experience,PLEASE don't hesitate to call!I would love to share w/ any of you, This is hard stuff we are deak=ling w/ and nobody else can possibly understand!!!I will never judge you,dear god no,I juist think we are intelligent wonderful people who have let ourselves fall into this trap!!!!it is so easy to do!my # is 2535649431...please call anyone!I woulds love to talk to you about anty of this ).WE CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![:I]

[bobl101]

Becky, I am so excited for you. I can't wait to do this. I can't believe you feel good right away. I just told my cousing about this who is in danger of losing everything and is one of the greatest people, father, etc. It isnt fair. I will definately call you tonite when my family goes to sleep so I can talk. About 9:30 if that is OK. God sent me to this forum for a reason. I have already taken about 08 perc 10's today. When they are plentiful I usually don't even consider stopping , but I do now. I think it is the help and stories from all of you. I love this site. I think it will save my life. I looked up the Dr.'s for suboxone in my area and there are quite a few. I am going to start calling soon. I admit I am a little scared, but once I talk to you Becky , I think I'll be ready. Talk to you tonite. Bobbie

[gettingout]

I just emailed a local place for info regarding suboxone treatment. Wow! I made the first step. I hope they contact me soon and are not too judgemental. I am really ready to end the cyle - find pills-take pills find more pills take more pills on and and on. i will let everyone know what happens. By the way, it was from reading this message board that gave me the courage to do it. Thank you all and God Bless you.

JT

[mpvt]

Way to go Becky,isn't it amazing how good you feel.That's what I've been telling you guys, try this or methadone if your really bad.You will feel wonderful and clear......Dave

[becky2]

Hi everyone!Ok,6 day update...still loving suboxone!I have felt great all week long,no painpills since last tues. night!!!I have had absolutely NO side effects from SUboxone except for zero w/drawls!I just hope that it will be easy enough to saty off of them when I am done w/ sub!!I felt a little bit of w/drawl the other night because I hadn't taken enough of the sub that day and took some and was fine w/ in minutes!But I thought to myself,oh my god,that is what i would be feeling for days if i didn't have the suboxone.scary.hope everyone is doing well,thanks again for all of your emails ).rebecca
p.s. Bobbie )...let's get our group started...how should we go about it :O)???????????

[nomoremeds]

Ok so im on my 2nd month of darvon.. im down to 3 a day as prescribed by my doctor.. next month it will be 2 a day , etc... but i find if i dont take them by noon or so i start having withdrawls.. is this going to be worse when i cut back to 2 a day. i am thinking the suboxone would be a better way to go.. how the heck do we get into these messes in the first place this is so frustrating..

[marieclaire]

hi, everyone. i'm new here. so here goes. i'm addicted to hydro. really bad. about 15-20 10mg a day. the big problem is i also have some mental health issues. major depression, borderline personality, panic attacks. the pills make me feel like i have no problems in the world. when i take them, i am super mom and my house is spotless and i have energy and life is great. but at the same time, the guilt i feel is overwhelming. i get them prescribed to me but sometimes i have to spend money on them because i run out. i get really cranky when i'm on them. me and my husband fight all the time because i take so many of them. and i don't want to accidentally overdose one day trying to get the perfect buzz. they are completely running my life. even when i have alot of pills, i worry about what i'm gonna do when those run out. anyway, i just need someone to talk to.

[bobl101]

quote:Originally posted by marieclaire

hi, everyone. i'm new here. so here goes. i'm addicted to hydro. really bad. about 15-20 10mg a day. the big problem is i also have some mental health issues. major depression, borderline personality, panic attacks. the pills make me feel like i have no problems in the world. when i take them, i am super mom and my house is spotless and i have energy and life is great. but at the same time, the guilt i feel is overwhelming. i get them prescribed to me but sometimes i have to spend money on them because i run out. i get really cranky when i'm on them. me and my husband fight all the time because i take so many of them. and i don't want to accidentally overdose one day trying to get the perfect buzz. they are completely running my life. even when i have alot of pills, i worry about what i'm gonna do when those run out. anyway, i just need someone to talk to.

Well you came to the right place. The best thing to do is go to page one and read everybodys stories. You will feel better right away. Then realize that we are all in this together and can help eachother. I look forward to coming to this site every day. There is hope I promise you. Here if you need to talk.
Bobbie

[bobl101]

Becky, I am so happy for you. What does the suboxone look like? How long did they tell you to take it. I have so many questions about it. Why is it taking me so long to get started???I know why, I have pills[}]As soon as they are low i will be freaking out again and calling all over. I told my cousin your story. He wants no parts. I am so upset for him. He will realize one day. Percocets have already cost him his family and maybe his job. He is such a great person, he just needs to see it. I am going to try to talk him into reading these stories. Something has to work. Maybe we can do it together. Wish we could get family rate lol. Talk to you soon. Bobbie

[Hunterdog]

Susan:

The feeling that you are "alone" in this is a lie from the pit of hell. Almost every city in the country has free services to help you with withdrawal. You didn't mention in your post if you were obtaining the drugs legally or not. If you were or even if you weren't and have access to a doctor, I urge you to come clean with your doctor. I did with mine and was amazed at how helpful he was. He perscribed Clonidine (Catapress #2 Patch) and since then, my withdrawals have been almost non-existant.

You are not alone! You indicated that you have 10 kids. With that many kids there must be some of them that are old enough to help. That's one of the most important functions of family. In my case, my kids are up and grown and gone but my wife has been incredible. Friends? Neighbors? Surely there must be somebody that will reach out and help.

I gained such enormous appreciation for my doctor when he helped me rather than belittle me. He was great. I suspect that most doctors are. If yours is a jerk, find one that is willing to help. Again, almost every city of any size at all has some sort of free services to help people that are in your position. Feeling like you are alone however, is an enormous hurdle to overcome and you'll be surprised once you truly discover that you are not alone.

Get help somehow. You owe it to yourself and to your kids to get clean. It is so amazing how much fun life is again. As for me......9 days of being 100% clean and I'm loving it!

I will never, ever use again....... no matter what.

Hunterdog