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Old 08-05-2009, 07:49 PM
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3rd tradition of NA -- "The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop using."

In the NA book "It Works How and Why" text, here is what it says regarding the 3rd tradition: "Others abuse prescription medication, thinking that "legal" drugs are okay. Because of the wording of this tradition, we are able to attract and welcome addicts who might think they didn't use the "right" drugs to qualify for membership in NA. Each addict should be allowed to decide if NA is the answer for him or herself. We cannot make the decision for others.

An addict is an addict is an addict regardless of the drug of choice, if it is legal, or how it is attained or taken. Each person must decide for theirself whether or not he/she qualifies.

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Old 09-01-2009, 04:41 PM
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Good post ComingHome!

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3rd tradition of NA -- "The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop using."

In the NA book "It Works How and Why" text, here is what it says regarding the 3rd tradition: "Others abuse prescription medication, thinking that "legal" drugs are okay. Because of the wording of this tradition, we are able to attract and welcome addicts who might think they didn't use the "right" drugs to qualify for membership in NA. Each addict should be allowed to decide if NA is the answer for him or herself. We cannot make the decision for others.

An addict is an addict is an addict regardless of the drug of choice, if it is legal, or how it is attained or taken. Each person must decide for theirself whether or not he/she qualifies.

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Old 09-12-2009, 07:31 PM
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I have a really good friend who is addicted to the pain killer Hydrocodone. Anyhow she wants to stop but everytime she does she gets really bad withdrawals such as sweating and shaking, can't sleep, etc. I was wondering if anyone out there has been through this on their own without going to a treatment center. If so please tell me what to do for her and how long it took for the withdrawals to go away!!!! HELP!!!!
i have been taking hydrocodone for about 5 years off and on. But i quit cold turkey about 6 days ago. It has been tough. I cant sleep, I am getting shakes and sweating. I have maybe slept 8 hours in six days. It is terrible but i am staying strong and doing it. Your friend can do this. I have and appointment at a outpatient facility on monday. I am going to get prescribed suboxone. Your friend can do the same, I hear it works wonders. I hope you read this. Painkiller abuse has to stop in America.
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Old 09-13-2009, 07:35 AM
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rcjp why would you start subs now????? you made it 6 days!!!!! The worst is over!
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Old 09-13-2009, 04:37 PM
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Rcjp, if you were a heavy user, sub might be a good way to reduce cravings. Getting clean is easy compared with staying clean. Great job so far YO!
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Old 09-16-2009, 11:43 AM
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I have been addictied to pain killers percocet, morphine,oxcottins. I would take 15-20 percs a day, 100-300mg of morphine a day or 80-120 mg of oxys. I went cold turkey and it has been 10 days. Besides not being able to sleep and joint aches I think the withdrawls have passed. I still jones though all day everyday. When does that go away?? Does it ever? After the excrusiating pain I went through for about five days i pray to god i will never use again. Can anyone give me advice on dealing with the constant cravings??
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Old 09-23-2009, 12:01 PM
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Ashforever, the easy part is quitting. The hard part is to stay clean. Try meetings, like NA or AA. www.na.org You can find a meeting near you. The cravings should decrease over a 30-60 day period, but few stay clean without regular meeting attendance from my experience.
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Old 09-24-2009, 03:25 PM
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Hi, All. Thank you for sharing your stories and input. It helps to know you're here. I'm in need of some feedback, myself.

I've suffered SEVERE episodic migraines for 44 years (I'm 54). Untreated, these attacks were extremely traumatic: the pain was such that on occasion, I'd take to bashing my head against a concrete wall because the pain of that was a welcome distraction from the pain of the migraine (not uncommon behavior among migraineurs). I had visual disturbances, neurological symptoms, and constant vomiting (a dozen times or more on average). I would usually end up curled around the toilet until the migraine finally subsided. Sometimes, I'd have a reprieve of a few hours and then the whole cycle would begin again. Even though these episodes would occur only a few times a year, my nightly prayer would always include: "...and please don't let me get a migraine tomorrow, Amen."

I'd tried multiple medications, preventatives, etc. over the years with no success until 1998, when triptans, an abortive that actually stops the migraine process, came on the market. They worked perfectly--hallelujah! And since the attacks were infrequent, they went from being a constant source of fear and apprehension to basically a non-issue. I couldn't believe how negatively they'd affected my thinking, my activities, and my life until I was essentially freed of them. What a difference and a joy!

Four years ago, possibly due to my age and/or as a result of intestinal surgery (which can do interesting things to your hormones), the frequency of attacks suddenly shot up--I now have one every 10 days or so, sometimes more, sometimes less, with periods when they'll occur daily for a week as well. I continued (under my headache specialist/neurologist's care) to use the triptans with success, although life became more physically and mentally stressful, as you can imagine.

Then, last fall, after a particularly intense week-long bout, I had a heart attack. Although it's rare, sequential use of triptans can create strong enough vasoconstriction to cause cardiac events. So I can no longer use them. My only alternative now is heavy-duty pain meds.

My neuro (who is very compassionate regarding pain) and I tried out a few of the most effective ones (Percocet--nope, too much acetaminophen; Opana--yuck! Too stoned, rebound pain and hangovers) until we hit on plain old oxycodone 5 mg immediate release. It has been the ideal solution. No rebound pain, no hangover, I can function perfectly well in my job with 30 mg (the baseline effective therapeutic dose) or even more in my system. I was so afraid I wouldn't be able to live a normal life after giving up triptans. (I had just started a new career that I worked my butt off to train for, and I was afraid I'd have to give it all up before I'd even begun.)

BUT...gradually I discovered that a very low dose of oxy, around 10-15 mg, made a really pleasant nightcap along with some hot milk (I am a chronic insomniac and sometimes use Ambien, but I hate how it makes me feel). I've gotten into this ritualistic behavior where I'll put on my jammies, fuzzy warm socks, heat up the milk, pop a few, and just spend a pleasant couple of hours reading in bed, chatting with my (wonderful, adorable) husband, or watching a favorite TV show. And this has morphed from an occasional treat to a nightly thing for the past month. It terrifies me to know that between the headaches and the "fun", I've burnt through 118 of my 120 pills in just under a month, whereas that amount used to last for three months.

I know I'm displaying addictive behavior--the ritual, the attachment, the "I've been through hell and out and then back into hell and I DESERVE a break for once" thinking. Writing this, I have to laugh...me with my fuzzy jammies, special fun-time mug, and milk, Doris Day in a shooting gallery...I'm sorry, I mean no disrespect, it's just the picture is kind of amusing, but then again, it isn't.

I don't want this to turn me into a liar, a user of people (I respect my neuro so much, he's my doctor, not my dealer, but I don't dare share this with him yet if ever); my sweet husband works and brings in the income and provides us with medical coverage, and this is how I thank him? By the way, loving as he is, this is not something I can talk to him about, either--he's been through it with wife number 1, and his face is permanently full where this subject is concerned.

The thing is, pain meds WILL be a part of my life for as long as the migraines are a part of it, too. There is simply no getting around that. And I will never, NEVER again suffer a full blown attack (I couldn't handle it mentally, aside from the fact that my system wouldn't be able to handle it either at this frequency level).

Supposedly there'll be a new abortive on the market in a few years that cardiac patients can use, so I'll of course try that when it comes out. But for now, it's pain meds.

I stopped myself from taking my oxy treat last night; it's been over 24 hours with no real wd symptoms so far, just feeling a little weird but nothing some chamomile tea and letting the fan blow over me hasn't helped. But I don't know how to handle this situation. Even if I stay away from the recreational use, I'll have to take the meds sooner or later (most likely sooner, and fall is my worst migraine time of year). And then it'll be, mmmMMMMmmmm...

Any thoughts, experiences, help?? I would be so grateful, and thank you for listening.
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Old 09-24-2009, 04:19 PM
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Mrs. Migrane - Congratuations on getting honest with yourself and your addiction. Each individual must decide for his or herself whether or not he/she is an addict. Total honesty is key in arresting the problem. If you want a real education, try an NA or AA. If you go to an AA meeting, just substitute the word pills in place of alcohol in your head when listening. That's what I would recommend based on what has worked for me.

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Old 09-25-2009, 04:38 AM
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ComingHome, thanks very much for your perspective, encouragement and the info on NA. It is something I will look into--I'm sure there are quite a few meetings in my neck of the woods.
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Old 09-27-2009, 11:52 AM
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Anonym. Guest: I'm sorry to hear about the trouble your friend is going through. Yes, I do know that horrible feeling. It is not in anyone's best interest to abruptly stop taking any medications. Opiate and/or Benzo w/d's are not the best to experience. On that, I can attest to! I tried doing that once and had the worst of the worst physical and emotional pains/feelings. Although it is a very good idea to want to come off these meds, it is not in one's best interest to "cold turkey" off of them. Not to scare you, but one can go into seizures, as a result. The only way to really do it safely would be to either have something like Xanax to help w/the w/d but...what's the lesser of the two? You go from one to the other, it's like negating the fact that you are ridding your body of one substance, yet introducing another. I'm only saying to do this if you have been prescribed this med-(Xanax or equivalent), and currently have a script for it. Like I said, you don't want to substitute one with the other, but it would definitely help with the effects of w/d. What I did, was to "wean" myself off. I went from the dosage that I was used to taking, and cut down by 1/2mg. for approx. 1 week, and so on. When I got down to 1mg., I nursed the 1/2mg. for approx 1/12-2 weeks until I exhausted all. It worked in helping with the w/d-(dramatically). By doing it this way, you are keeping the substance in your body, even if at a smaller dose which in turn, will alleviate the horrible w/d. You might not get the buzz anymore, but your body feels a whole lot better doing it this way. Also, for the mind, I would think having felt the w/d and the hell that goes along with it, would be enough to teach us to hopefully never fall into that abyss again! Best of Luck to your friend-
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Old 09-27-2009, 08:17 PM
 
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I FEEL YOUR PAIN. a NEW DAY FOR ME, I HAVE BEEN IN THE BED FOR 2 DAYS, SWEATS,CRYING,COLD HOT, AND I AM TIRED OF IT, i HAVE QUIT ONCE BEFORE, AND i KNOW,DEEPER THAN MY DENIAL, THAT i CAN DO IT AGAIN. IM SCARED OF FAILER, BUT MY GOD IS MY STRENGHTH. PLEASE LETS PRAY FOR EACH OTHER, AND MY OUR MANY BLESSING BE NOTICED THROUGH THI SHORRIBLE DISEASE.
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IM WITH YOU, WE R ONOUR WAY, i HAVE FLUSHED MY PAIN MEDS, AND i HAVE ONLY gOODY POWDERS. i AM GOING TO WIN THIS BATTLE, WITH gODS HELP, A LITTLE SUGGESTION, IVE BEEN LAYING IN THE BED TAKING MY HANDS AND HOLDING THEM TOGETHER, AND I AM USING THAT AS gOD HOLDING MY HAND. tRY IT. GOD BLESS YOU
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Old 09-27-2009, 08:40 PM
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Hi cavs
Wow sounds like your doing a great job to me...your right you will win this battle, what can we do to help ???
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Old 09-27-2009, 08:44 PM
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cavs ..... no matter what anyone says there is a tremendous amount of power in prayer. For what it's worth I pray for everyone on this forum every day. Sometimes there are people who get annoyed because I have a tendency to "tell it like it is" when it comes to getting clean. But I personally respect what you are doing and I will say a special prayer for you tonight. Hang in there and have faith. God bless.

PS DO you know about the Thomas Recipe for helping with the opiate w/d symptoms?
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