[jadedjenny]

Thank you so much for your replies. I feel incredibly alone. My husband is supportive, thankfully, but he doesn't understand this or why it happened. But he did warn me. I remember early into my arthritis problems when I started the pills he said "Be careful..one day you may cross the line from 'I want' to 'I need' and you won't know when it happens." He was right....I think back and can't remember when it happened.

quote:Originally posted by PoppyQueen

Jenny, I go once a month. They give you a subscription for 30 days. Fill it at a pharmacy although the pharmacy may have to order it.

If you're in day 3, perhaps you can stick it out with help from your family. I'm sure you're dying now, but in a couple days you should be much better (I think). Take the Ativan and sleep as much as you can. Also drink lots of water and take Potassium for leg cramps.

Good Luck.

PQ

[gonnamakeit]

well here I sit.........hating my doctor....she NEVER told me what I was gonna go thru whrn I decided to go off of methadone.oh wait she said I would feel like I have the flu........BS.I feel worse then that...[V]But I know I am NOT calling her and asking to help me, I know she will put me on something out that I will have to detox from sooner or late....I want my life back.so I am taking it back.......at home w/ my family near by.even though during the day they are not home makes it harder to get motivated.........all I have ot say.......IF YOUR DOC WANTS TO PUT YOU ON METHADONE...............DON"T!!

[girlie girl]

Back on tabs again. I suck.

Girlie Girl

[PoppyQueen]

GirlieGirl, tomorrow is another day and sooner or later (probably sooner) your script will run out and you'll be at a crossroads again.

You don't suck, don't be so hard on yourself. When you fall, you do get up again, don't you?

PQ

[girlie girl]

Thanks PQ. I'm just disapointed in myself. I wish I was stronger. There are better things I can be doing with my life than eating pills. [:X]

Girlie Girl

[jadedjenny]

GirlieGirl, you aren't alone. I caved too, just now. I am sick to death about how weak I am...now I am going to have to do this all over again. I feel like painting a big 'L' on my head.

[PoppyQueen]

Well, Girls, enjoy the high. You can make plans to stop again. One of these times, it'll stick--I guarantee it! Keep reading and posting on the forums, it's my support group.

PQ

PQ
Last painkiller used: 9/25/05
Suboxone started 9/26/05

[Ron714]

Hey guys , I AM NEW MEMBR HERE , I HAVE TO UNDERGO A 2 LEVEL CERVICAL SPINE FUSION , I AM PRESENTLY ADDICTED TO PAIN KILLERS , OXYCONTIN 10MG 3 A DAY , OXY IR , EVERY 6 HOURS FOR BREAKTHRU PAIN , I WAS TOLD BY MY SURGEON THAT I NEED TO BE DRUG FREE FOR 10 DAYS PRIOR TO HAVING THIS SURGERY, I ALSO WAS EATING VICONDON 7.5 EVERY 4 HOURS FOR 5 YEARS, I NO THIS IS GOING TO BE TOUGH TO DO , BUT TODAY I AM JUST THINKING ABOUT THE WITHDRAW, I WAS THINKING I CAN DO THIS ON MY OWN , THE SURGERY IS 2 MONTHS AWAY BECAUSE OF THIS , I HAVE SEVERE MYLOPATHY, SPINAL STENOSIS, AND SOME CORD DAMAGE , I NEED THIS SURGERY , THE DOCTOR SAID IF I DON'T GET TH SURGERY I HAVE A 75% CHANCE OF BEING PARAPLEGIC, WAS ANYBODY EVER TOLD THIS, I MEAN I DON'T HAVE ANY OPTIONS, PLEASE E-MAIL ME FOR SUGGESTIONS @NJRON714@AOL.COM.
THANKS
RON

[jadedjenny]

PQ, you are right...one of these times it'll stick. I can't believe I caved, and I am so humiliated and embarrassed. And ya know what, the feeling I got after popping doesn't feel so great. I think the anticipation felt better. I am trying to find the courage to dump the rest...and not in the garbage where I'd fish them out later. I need to flush them. I totally thought I could do this alone. I really am considering the sub, like you, but am scared of the withdrawl from that too. I think I should find a sub Dr, make an appt, and just do it. Thank you for replying...reading the 'enjoy the high' made me feel embarrassed, which is just what I need. I am also thinking of checking out an NA meeting, but not sure if it's right for me.

[jadedjenny]

Hi Ron...I sent you an email.

quote:Originally posted by Ron714


Hey guys , I AM NEW MEMBR HERE , I HAVE TO UNDERGO A 2 LEVEL CERVICAL SPINE FUSION , I AM PRESENTLY ADDICTED TO PAIN KILLERS , OXYCONTIN 10MG 3 A DAY , OXY IR , EVERY 6 HOURS FOR BREAKTHRU PAIN , I WAS TOLD BY MY SURGEON THAT I NEED TO BE DRUG FREE FOR 10 DAYS PRIOR TO HAVING THIS SURGERY, I ALSO WAS EATING VICONDON 7.5 EVERY 4 HOURS FOR 5 YEARS, I NO THIS IS GOING TO BE TOUGH TO DO , BUT TODAY I AM JUST THINKING ABOUT THE WITHDRAW, I WAS THINKING I CAN DO THIS ON MY OWN , THE SURGERY IS 2 MONTHS AWAY BECAUSE OF THIS , I HAVE SEVERE MYLOPATHY, SPINAL STENOSIS, AND SOME CORD DAMAGE , I NEED THIS SURGERY , THE DOCTOR SAID IF I DON'T GET TH SURGERY I HAVE A 75% CHANCE OF BEING PARAPLEGIC, WAS ANYBODY EVER TOLD THIS, I MEAN I DON'T HAVE ANY OPTIONS, PLEASE E-MAIL ME FOR SUGGESTIONS @NJRON714@AOL.COM.
THANKS
RON

[girlie girl]

SO is suboronxe addicting or what? Does it make the cravings go away? I can get off the pills with not that bad of withdraws but I can't say I would take any again. Am I just bound to be a drugie??

Girlie Girl

[jadedjenny]

From what I understand, sub is a long-acting opiate that helps with the withdrawls. They have a website, suboxone.com. That site also helps you find a doctor in your area. I, too, sometimes feel like I am just destined to fail and shouldn't even try...but that is the drug talking, not me. I lived 32 years before the pills, I can live without them. It's just not easy...a lot of it is psychological.

quote:Originally posted by girlie girl

SO is suboronxe addicting or what? Does it make the cravings go away? I can get off the pills with not that bad of withdraws but I can't say I would take any again. Am I just bound to be a drugie??

Girlie Girl

[chrish1]

Jenny, go to an NA meeting - there is nothing to lose - you will remain anonymous. Just try it, and listen to their drug free philosophy. It has changed my outlook in 11 days. This is my 9th clean day. I checked through this board through the last couple years and I noticed there is a lot of talk about Suboxone. I have come to the conclusion that this is can be a good thing to use (If used properly). It can cause major withdrawl if used too long as a cruch though. I think this is a great disclosure: "The decision to discontinue therapy with SUBOXONE or SUBUTEX after a period of maintenance or brief stabilization should be made as part of a comprehensive treatment plan. Both gradual and abrupt discontinuation have been used, but no controlled trials have been undertaken to determine the best method of dose taper at the end of treatment." Good luck, God bless us all to control our addictions.

[kyhomegirl]

I tell myself the same thing. I havent always been on pills. There was obviously a time I lived, worked and slept without needing these stupid little things! And JadedJenny, I totally agree with the anticipation thing. The want is greater than this feeling I have on them right now. I cant believe I spent $30 for this? I feel so lazy, and unmotivated. It used to make me hyper and want to clean or play. Not anymore. My sister swears by NA but I havent been able to find one that I would be able to make it too. I guess I could try harder.

[Ron714]

quote:Originally posted by jadedjenny

Hi Ron...I sent you an email.

YES THANKS JEN FOR THE E-MAIL , I AM READING SOME OF THE ADDICTION PROBLEMS , I GUESS MY PROBLEM WITH THE DRUGS ISN'T HAS BAD , BUT IT IS STILL A PROBLEMSORRY FOR THE CAPS PEOPLE. STILL NEEED HELP HERE

[Ron714]

CAN ANYONE SUGGEST , HERE GOES OXYCONTIN 30MG A A DAY OXY IR FOR BREAKTHRU PAIN AND VICONDON 7.5 EVRY 4 TO 6 HOURS , I STOPPED TAKING THE VICADON AND FEEL TERRIBLE BUT I AM STILL TAKING THE OTHER STUFF , I ALSO TAKE KLONOPIN FOR ANXEITY, 2MG -3 A DAY THIS IS ALL PRECRIPTION MEDS , I HAVE A NECK AND BACK PROBLEM SEVER PROBLEM THAT SURGERY IS REQUIRED FOR BUT I NEED TO BE CLEAN OF ALL THE PAIN MEDS FIRST , WAS IT A GOOD IDEAL TO JUST STOP TAKING THE VICADON , WELL I JUST SCREWED UP AND TOOK ONE, BEFORE I CAME BACK HERE TO TYPE THIS ANY PEOPLE WITH SIMILIAR PROBLEMS ?

[iknowit]

hi everyone,
I haven't wrote in a week, i was clean for two weeks, and then i had a bright idea?
after i saw the suboxne doctor on friday, i decided that i would get high at the begining of the week so i could pass the pee test I'll have to take this friday.
the only reason i took pills is because i wanted to drink so bad, i'm so used to taken pills at work(bartender) and then like all my coworkers, i go get drunk, and since the pills make me feel like superwoman, i drink like a fish and become the life of the party!
since i quit with the help of suboxne, everyone misses me, i try to understand that the person they miss is somone my body can't aford to be , but my head schemed a plan to get fu**ed up anyways.
STUPID HUGH????
It ended up being a two day binge, and on a positive note it sucked, i actually feel better on the suboxne.
I do everything better, my biggest thing is motivation, i take pills so i can function, and i seem to function better on the suboxne.
However, why do i still feel guilty? like worthless.
the only thing i can say is that when i take the sub. , i feel in control, like i can do this.
i been back on the suboxne for two days, and i just hope i can do this right.
I feel so angry at so much, and so terrified, i am truley scard.
somtimes i wonder if its better to live in this world numb?
and then i run into somone that inspires me to live, it could just be somone i don't even talk to, i'll just watch them and listen, and i see how they look and act,and i think how are they so happy?
"i wonder if they take pills?"
LOL then i realize i got isues!

[Ron714]

[8D]HEY THERE DON'T FEEL SO BAD ABOUT YOURSELF , FIRST OF ALL ARE YOUR ADDICTIONS CAUSED BY SOME PROBLEM THAT HURTS , OR IS IT JUST FOR FUN ? WE ALL HERE IT SEEMS ARE REALLY HARD ON OUR SELVES THAT SUCKS , AND THE PEOPLE AROUND US FEEL LIKE WE ARE JUST WEEK THAT SUCKS , ITS SO CRAZY WHEN PEOPLE TELL ME TO JUST STOP TAKING THEM PILLS THEY DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT , AND THESE DOCTORS THEY START YOU UP AND THEN TRY TO CUT YOU , I DON'T NO , I GET EMBARRSAED JUST GOING TO PICK UP MY MEDS IS THAT INSANE ?

[jrd1mra]

I just got out of www.detoxpalmbeach.com They treated me awesome and My treatment after has kept me clean for two months. Onward and upward

[ANSFAN17]

Hi All

Just a question I hope someone that is or has been on Suboxone can answer.

I have an my first appt for Suboxone therapy on Monday. I know that you have to be in mild to moderate withdrawl before your first dose.

Can anyone tell me when I should take my last pill in order to make this as painless as possible? I take about 1 percocet 10/325 every six hours.

I tried to call the Drs office today when I thought of this and they were closed today due to some seminar or something and I don't want to screw this up.

Any replies would be appreciated....

Thanks

Anthony

[indycouple]

I have been on Suboxone for the last 2-3 months now, and it is great. Did you say you take 1 percocet 10-325 every six hrs, so you are only taking 2-3 of them a day? That doesn;t sound like very much, how long have you been on them? I was taking anywhere from 30-50 lortab 10-500 or Norco 10-325 a day. yes average about 45 pills a day, about 315 a week, Now i am on the Suboxone and i only take 1 and 1/2 now a day, i was on 2 a day last month. I never thought i could function, LIVE! without my pills. Work, play, general life. But the Suboxone takes you back to feeling normal. When you go to see the Doctor, make sure you haven;t had any pills for at least 12-24 hrs, so you are in withdrawl, if you have them in your system the Suboxone will make you go into withdrawl. When i took my first suboxone pill, it took me about and hr to adjust and start feeling better, just my personal experience, but i have heard people say within 10 min. I have to say, if you choose to go on Suboxone you are making the right choice, it will take you back to where u want to be, you won;t have to worry about the pills anymore, alot of people say you are trading one habit for the other, let me see?? take 45 pills a day and kill my liver, or take 1 and 1/2 pills a day, feel normal, and stay healthy, wonder which is best, you decide. Go get it done, you will be happy you did, the Suboxone has helped me so much, this site has helped me so much. talk to your Doctor and get your life back on track, good luck

One Day at a time I think again and again of how i can be free from this.

[anrob11]

quote:Originally posted by ANSFAN17

Hi All

Just a question I hope someone that is or has been on Suboxone can answer.

I have an my first appt for Suboxone therapy on Monday. I know that you have to be in mild to moderate withdrawl before your first dose.

Can anyone tell me when I should take my last pill in order to make this as painless as possible? I take about 1 percocet 10/325 every six hours.

I tried to call the Drs office today when I thought of this and they were closed today due to some seminar or something and I don't want to screw this up.

Any replies would be appreciated....

Thanks

Anthony

To Be A Rock And Not To Roll

[anrob11]

Hello Anthony [8D]

Tomorrow will be one week since I took my first Suboxone. All I can say is that life has been so much better since I made the decision to do it. I encourage you to go for it on Monday but, also to prepare properly.

Let your system start to clean out on it's own before beginning Suboxone therapy. The pain you will feel from withdrawal won't kill you. Can you go 48 hours without any Percs ? [:0] What's on the other side is well worth a little discomfort. There is some truth to the saying "No pain, No gain" [B)]

Each of us are different - I went 51 hours and made sure I was well into withdrawal before I took my first Suboxone. You have to convince the doc that you are in withdrawal or all bets are off. He must be able to see the symptoms for himself before he will administer your first dose. [8]

Whatever you decide, you are doing the right thing. God Bless and Good Luck.

Tony [8D]

quote:Originally posted by ANSFAN17

Hi All

Just a question I hope someone that is or has been on Suboxone can answer.

I have an my first appt for Suboxone therapy on Monday. I know that you have to be in mild to moderate withdrawl before your first dose.

Can anyone tell me when I should take my last pill in order to make this as painless as possible? I take about 1 percocet 10/325 every six hours.

I tried to call the Drs office today when I thought of this and they were closed today due to some seminar or something and I don't want to screw this up.

Any replies would be appreciated....

Thanks

Anthony

To Be A Rock And Not To Roll

[PoppyQueen]

I had an appointment at 10:00 on a Monday morning. I took my last 1-1/2 Vicoprofen at 5:00 on Sunday, so I went 17 hours between Vic and Suboxone. So when I got to the docs office, I was shakey, not focusing well, jittery and the runs were just starting to come on. Took the Sub and 20 minutes later that run to the barthroom feeling went away and I stopped shaking. Awesome!

Be reasonable about it. If you're in minor withdrawals you should be OK.

By the way, I took an Ambian to go to sleep that Sunday night, and 2.5 mg. of Valium 6:00 Monday morning because I was anxious.

Good luck!


PQ
Last painkiller used: 9/25/05
Suboxone started 9/26/05

[gregb]

OK, Here is my problem. First off, I think you are all good people at heart for taking time to help strangers.
After back surgery in 1999, I suffer from back pains. Starting in 2002 my doctor prescribed Endocet for pain. I have been taking them prett.y regularly since then. A 30 pill bottle will last about 15 - 20 days, and I only take the pills at night, since I am a contractor, and have no desire to cut off a hand because I was drowsy
How can I tell if this has becoma an addiction? I think that the very fact that I ask the question tells me that perhaps it already has.
I should also say that I have tried to skip going to the doctor by purchasing Ultracet online instead of the Endocet from the doctor. I did not want him to think I was hooked. Again, that is probably a big sign that I am.
What am I, normal for trying to eliminate pain, or addicted to pain killers, or possibly both?

[PoppyQueen]

Hi Greg, are you taking your one pill for pain or for pleasure? The way I knew I was hooked was when I had the tiniest little headache and took a strong pain killer for it. I also knew it when I took one when I was angry, happy, going shopping, partying, whatever. Every occasion was a signal to use pain pills.

If you are taking 1 - 2 daily, I don't think you need to obsess about it. But if you cannot go a day without and it's really bothering you, then I guess it could be a problem.

I've had headaches most days of my life. I would eat Advil daily for pain--3 at a time when I was not using something stronger. Did that make me an addict?

You're the best one to answer this.

Good luck to you. The only way to know is to stop taking it. But if you think about it all the time, it may be a problem.


PQ
Last painkiller used: 9/25/05
Suboxone started 9/26/05

[mpvt]

Hi Greg: there is a big difference between being addicted and being dependent.I don't think you have an addiction but you are dependent on them and that's ok.Your doctor gives you what you and you don't abuse them.I think it is probably a good thing that your aware that there is potential for abuse.Very few people become addicted to narcotic pain killers when they are taken for the right reasons.If you find your taking them because they make you feel mentally better then you might want to have a look at what your doing.I would carry on and take care of your pain and enjoy your life.Just my opinion.Good luck.....Dave

[ANSFAN17]

Hey all,

Well I just wanted to log on and let of you know that I fonally did it!

I just got home from my appt. for Suboxone. I cannot tell you how I feel right now. Fantastic.... Like a huge weight has been takin off my shoulders.

My Doctor was absolutley F**king tremendous. As was everyone else in the office. You talk about thorough? They did a blood profile, urinalysis, EKG, and so on and so on. The EKG was becuase I have dabbled with cocaine here and there for years. I thought why, Im only 31, but that the reason.

I took my last Perc yesterday at 3:00pm. And a Lunesta at 10pm to help me get some sleep sp I wouldn't be up obsessing with cravings and the beginnings of withdrawl.

I went to the Dr. at 9:30am in mild, I would say withdrawl. I had of course a huge craving being that I always took a perc when I woke up. I also was very aggitated and achy. I had a a slight fever also.

Thanks to PoppyQueen and Anrob and RyanSilva for helping me out with some questions. You guys helped me time my last dose perfectly to make this as comforable as possible. IF you all were here I kiss you all, hell I feel so good now I may even lick ya.....LOL

So anyone here who is going through this, Pleae look into this. It really is as easy as everyone says. I know some of you are concerned about the money aspect and I am grateful that wasn't a problem for me. But like someone here said, think about the time and energy we put into these F**kin pills, not to mention the money. Add it up and I bet you all can swing it.

I know people ask all the time about the cost and all that so here goes my cost.

$300.00 intial Dr. visit
$119.00 Suboxone Script
$65.00 each visit thereafter (1 visit in a week) once a month therafter.

He does want me to stay on it until after the Holidays because thats usually the time of year when people in our shoes will relapse.

So guys and dolls, Im feeling great and hope you all will too.

Anyone here can feel free to email me if they need to. Ansfan17@yahoo.com. And thanks again to all of you, If it wasnt for this forum, I would never have even known this was a possibilty.

Be Well
Anthony

I hope my expeirience will give you all the light to find the shadows.

[pamsday]

quote:Originally posted by wifestyles

Justobe/Deb:

Justobe, hubands can be so nasty and unsupportive; when their wives have issues, especially with pills we wives become 'weak'...how in the world can girls let little pills control them, we should just 'deal with it and keep on keeping on', however as women our way of dealing with things it to talk to our husbands, look for their support...yes, during our weak times ESPECIALLY. But if its Thurs and Wed was beer-gettin' day, my husband has a fit. Quit smoking? Am I nuts??? But them boys ain't weak, nah. I flat out told my husband if he said anything that resembled a stuck up, better-than-thou attitude I would punch him and leave him, which sucks cause I didn't want to have to tell him to be supportive...and women constantly account for their husbands level of comfort. I just don't get it. If you need an email buddy, Justtobe, email me okay? I'm usually around the 'puter most of time, and I know what I needed most when I quit was somebody 'on call' 24/7...for whatever I deemed neccessary...

That is absolutely some of the best news I've ever heard about someone I don't know! Good for you Deb! I thought my dr was nuts for giving me 100 vicodin a month, but 180???? Good grief! Thats exactly where I was mentally when I decided I needed/had to quit...ya take so much and it doesn't work and I just couldn't afford a habit much less one that now required twice the $ and pills too- I have been narcotic free for 2 weeks now, I do take pain med for my knee but its not narcotics (which doesn't mean much, some of the more addicting ones aren't narcs), so I'm real proud of myself...I made a goal to stay AWAY from the medicines I knew I would have trouble with- Ultram mainly, and then vicodin when I ran out of those. This forum has been my counseling, and has been doing a pretty good job at it.

Deb, congratulations on regaining your new and old life again...once you get off pills you realize that its not as bad as you might have imagined it to be without them...I went thru a year of being on pills, couldn't stop, but KNEW in the back of my head that I had lived 25 years without them already, but I just couldn't stop wanting them. Somewhere in quitting, there is a moment of realization, and I'm so thankful for that, and feel so blessed to have realized this and fortunate to have the conscience to want to quit, in enough time to save myself.

[reverend]

you guys are crazy i mean it litterally i might not be the smartest one in the bunch but i do know that i eat 200 pills a week and when theres a droubt i aint trippin on anyone i aint wishing upon anyones death its mind over matter you have to realize this people who trip out during a droubt dont live to see the flood. pills arent the only thing either anything you gotta control your mind if you cant you need to expire.