[EN OPP]

ljm1013 - Everyday makes a huge difference, trust me in a week you'll feel like a new person! I'm glad to hear your in less pain today, tomorrow will be even better. It's great that you got a full night's sleep, that is usually the last thing that comes back when getting off the pills. I think it took me about 20 days to get my first "full" night's sleep...which means you're almost in the clear. I was thinking about it, and it's very relative, I was doing about 150 mg a day for a year and you 15mg for the same amount of time, you seem to be getting better 10 times faster than I did.

What you said about cutting the pill supplier out of the picture is VERY important. The first couple times I quit, my guy would go either missing, in jail, or run out of drugs. but I always kept his number, and when he finally called back I would get excited and be right back to square one. Now this time I ran out of money and from day 1 I deleted both of my connections from my phone. It really helped because whenever I felt like I could have just one more night with my roxies I would look at my phone and I would know that I couldn't get them even if I tried.

You don't have to thank me for replying, I'm happy that I can at least try to help so many people here by sharing my story and experiences. Everyone I have talked to on this forum so far has been great, and their experiences are what helped me first quit, and this time stay off of these drugs!

[Fereshteh_joon]

Salaam everyone,

My name is Fereshteh, and I have checked in here on and off for the last 2 years or so... generally every time that little voice started to suggest that I might have a problem. Easy to shut it out when you can just get a script filled and nullify everything. But no more.

I'm 29, and was first rx'd Vicodin 7 years ago, due to severe back problems (I've refused surgery, bc of the low success rate, however I have had SSI injections, and am doing PT). In time my Dr. ended up giving me OCs, with Vicodin ES for "breakthrough" pain. Alhamdulillah I detoxed from OC (which was terrible), and changed doctors to one who didn't think OC was some sort of miracle drug. However I then ended up taking Percocet, only 2 weeks after getting through the OC w/d. On and off I have been caught in this cycle, for over 7 years. I'm only 29... that's nearly a third of my life on pain meds.

Recently it's been worse than usual for me, and it took a scary wake-up call during surgery to get me to where I am now. In the past I have been able to go from a week to a couple of months without swallowing a single pill, and then the pain starts back up and I always rationalize it... "just one, no worries..." and thus I'm back on the merry-go-round. But now I'm done. I feel like I've been given a second chance, and I don't want to waste it.

About 2 weeks ago I underwent surgery to remove a malignant tumor, and awoke to a breathing tube and a lot of beeping. I was confused and terrified. I found out that I had stopped breathing while I was under and had to be resuscitated. They said it was because I was a smoker, however I highly suspect that it's because I followed their advice and fasted (no food, water, or medication) from midnight forward... when I was finally called into surgery it was later the next day and I was starting w/d (shaking, nose running, eyes watering, nauseated, etc...). My breathing always gets messed up when I'm in w/d. To top it off I was already coming down with pneumonia, and lied (saying it was allergies) to get the surgery over and done with, even though I knew it was more than that.

Alhamdulillah I am delighted to say that they were able to remove the cancer from my neck, and I was given another chance... but I now realize that I'm not exactly "in the clear". I started taking these stupid pills for pain, but over time kept taking them just to feel normal. All I could think about after the surgery (once the fog cleared) was getting more pain medication to stop the w/d. It hurts me so much to admit that I have been on a steady decline, but I finally (!) have decided to stop.

I have not taken a single pain pill since 2:00 am on Thursday morning, and perhaps due to the pneumonia I haven't had any w/d symptoms... until today. I have started to recover from the pneumonia, just enough for the full weight of my decision to hit. I cannot concentrate, but I needed to reach out. I have read the success stories of so many people here, and I am praying inshallah to be one of these.

I have nobody to talk to about this; my husband is ashamed of me, and I cannot blame him. I have 4 beautiful children Alhamdulillah, and they deserve to have a Mom who is level-headed and free of addiction. I cannot attend a clinic or treatment center, it is not an option. I cannot even tell my family or friends, because this is not a common (or accepted) problem within my community. I am Muslimah, and have never met one single other Muslim with any addiction problem... I would bring so much shame on everyone close to me. So far the only thing that has helped me through this is prayer, and listening to anasheeds (devotional singing), but even in this I feel so guilty. Who am I to ask Allah Azza wa Jall to relieve the symptoms of a disease that I can only blame myself for? But I feel so powerless, and I am so scared of failing. Even my doctor is Muslim, and there is a huge amount of trust that he ever even prescribed me narcotics in the first place, knowing it was haram (forbidden) but also knowing that I was unable to walk because of the pain. He has met my family, and has seen me in day-to-day life, and has made such a point of how I am an ideal example of a Mother and Wife... but it's all a lie. I do not feel like I would have been able to be who I am without a pill at the ready, and this is not right. Astaghfirullah, he is just one more person I have let down. But I have let myself down most of all. I cannot even attend Hajj until I am clean, and there are not words to describe the despair of knowing this. It is a goal, though... something huge to look forward to when I am finally free.

I am not so sure that the pills themselves have not contributed to the pain. I have made it through childbirth of my first child (at seventeen years old) without anything to dull the pain, but I have no idea how I did it. I don't remember what life was like before the little piece of paper from the doctor and subsequent bottle of pills fed my every move.

I know this is long, and I apologize. I have been lurking here for so long, offering Du'a (prayer) for all of you, rooting for you, and saying "I can do this too"... but never achieving this goal to stay clean and free of those cursed pills. I have read how many people were very tired when taking their pills, but I was the opposite. I have been Superwoman. My house could stay clean, my children have gotten used to me running around and being silly with them; I felt like I could accomplish anything. Now I am miserable. I keep telling myself that it will only last a week, then I will be over the worst... I know, I have done this before. But it doesn't seem real.

It's almost like now that I am truly serious, it's 100 times harder than it's ever been. I have thrown out all of my pills, and could not refill them until next month even if I wanted to (which I do, but don't... if this makes sense). I did this on purpose so that I would be forced to face this and accomplish it for once and for all. I also cut myself off from the friends I had who would "help me out" when I ran out early.

Today is the hardest, and I DO NOT want to jump back on this awful wheel of "w/d, fix, denial, w/d, fix, etc...". Please, anyone at all who is there to talk, please reply. Or email me. Or just pray for me. I am struggling, and I am so afraid that I will get to the end of the tunnel just to find that the light was actually a train coming straight at me.

If nothing else, perhaps someday another of the Ummah will come here and realize that addiction can affect anyone, of any race or religion. Muslims are not exempt. I refuse to believe I am totally alone in this, because of my Faith. I know I'm a unique person, but that's pushing it. ::LOL::

Thank you to anyone who has taken the time to read this... again I am sorry it was so long. I started working on this at 9:00 am this morning, and am only now finishing writing (write a paragraph, lie down, write some more, lie back down). Took me long enough, huh? ::tired smile:: You all remain in my prayers, and I pray with all of my heart to re-join the ranks of those who are truly living.

MaaSalaama
Fereshteh

[EN OPP]

Fereshteh_joon - You aren't by yourself out there, addiction can affect ANYONE, and it's something that slowly grasps you until one day you are captivated by it and your life revolves around it. Just know that it can be done! I'm 40 days clean today and I have gotten my life back. Support is crucial to stay clean after the w/d's are over. Keep us posted on your progress, and don't give up.

[Fereshteh_joon]

Salaam En Opp;

Thank you for your reply. I was so tempted today to visit the clinic. In some ways it is more difficult having a reputation of being such a good "role model"... it not only lends more shame and guilt to the situation, but also makes it so much easier to convince the doctors at the clinic here that I "need" something. But Alhamdulillah I am holding strong.

40 days. Wow. Congrats... I cannot even imagine what that will feel like. I know I have made it before, but it seems so far away that it feel unattainable right now. The mental aspect is the worst.

I'm feeling awful, but I know a lot of it is in my head. How did you get through the mental cravings? I know support would be helpful... that's why I'm here. My husband is ashamed and angry, and nobody else knows. I am so tempted to relapse, but I cannot let that happen.

Thank you again for your reply. It helps me to know that this can be done. Inshallah this will get easier soon.

MaaSalaama
Fereshteh

[907baby]

Ive been reading everyone's posts and I got a lot of helpful information. I myself have been addicted to Percocet for two years and Fentanyl for about one year. Ive been trying for the last few months to get off but the withrawls keep sending me right back. I feel like such a wimp. Its hard for me to get help because Im only 18 years old and every doctor that I've been to has pretty much dismissed my problem and turned down my request for medications like Suboxone or Clonodine to help me detox. Every clinic I've tried to go to doesn't except my insurence, which ends next month anyway. Paying out of the pocket is out the question, like I said im only 18 and still in high school, barely. I feel like this addiction has taken over my life. Its just so hard when your so young. Every doctor has pretty much just scolded and lectured me, instead of helped me. Im out of options. Any suggestions?

[prettypoopoo]

"I started taking these stupid pills for pain, but over time kept taking them just to feel normal."

You need to do a little Internet research regarding an opioid regimine for chronic pain. My husband had Multiple Sclerosis and that's how we got started on opioids. He did it for the pain, I did it because it was there. I am withdrawing off Suboxone now, but he needs to continue to take meds to lead a functional life...there's nothing wrong with that. I found many articles that say people with chronic pain aren't necessarily "addicts," but are dependent on opioids to lead a normal life...the program the doctor gets them on isn't one that gets them "high" just gets them functional and working. I don't have a specific site, but I just Googled "chronic pain and opioids." There are TONS of articles that support opioid use for chronic pain sufferers. You just need to research and find a compassionate doctor.
Good Luck

[EN OPP]

907baby - I've been where you are now and let me tell you what worked for me. I'm only 21 and had an addiction to roxicodone for about the same time you've been addicted. I also wanted to try subs and clonodine to help me quit but couldn't afford it. I decided to just tough it out, and now I'm 41 days clean from 150mg a day of oxycodone. Withdrawals are intense but they won't last longer than a week, from there on out everyday is much better...there are alot of natural vitamins and herbs that helped me get through the beginning of my recovery. I know you want to make this as painless as possible, but trust me the pain is defenitly worth the reward of having your life back and enjoying it everyday without opiates. If you have any questions feel free to ask. I'll be happy to help you out.

[mleeshouse]

I feel like I am dying and I wish I would. I ran out of dilodid (sp?) yesterday afternoon so today has been the first full day without them. I dont see my pain doc till the 18th and I dont know what to do. I want off of them but I didnt realize it would be this bad. How much longer do I have to feel like this?

[EN OPP]

mleeshouse - days 1 - 4 or 5 are the hardest, everyday from there on out is gradually easier. In a week your withdrawals will be over, and all you'll have to take care off is the mental aspect of addiction. Good Luck, don't give in and keep us posted.

[Riggz510]

Hi everyone,

I'm 29 and I've been taking pills for 5 years now.. My addiction started with 5/500 Vicodins. I would do it for the euphoric feeling. It then escalated to the 7.5's then the 10's. I know have been taking the 15mg Oxycodone, because it has no tylenol. I have a steady source and I pay $3 per pill.

I've been taking about 4-5 per day. Most of the time with alcohol. Its funny, because if I don't have any pills, I HATE ALCOHOL.. Nothing feels right without them, social gatherings, sex etc.. When I take them and have sex I feel like a stud, when I don't I can barely last.

I'm starting to feel like the pills are consuming my life. I think about them all day long, I feel so uncomfortable if i don't have them. My girlfriend has suspected that I have an addiction, but I always deny it. She's seen the residue in my pants pocket or I've had a pill fall out of my pocket while I'm undressing.

[lilbri]

hi all what would be a good taper for me to get off a 100mg oc habet per day. thanks bri

[EN OPP]

Riggz510 - You said you "think the pills are starting to consume your life." Sorry, they already have, and now it's time to take your life back! Do you remember when you used to have a great time socially and in bed without ever thinking of a pill? Well, you can be that person again, trust me!

I have a similar story to yours, I also started with the vicodins or percocets 5,10's, whatever I could find for some time and then the past year I graduated to a daily habit of 4-5 30mg oxycodone tablets (the blue roxies). When I ran out, I couldn't do ANYTHING..sex was out of the question and so was having a good time with my friends. Nothing but my next pill on my mind...addiction is brutal and will choke the life out of you.

Now for the good news, I was taking double the amount of oxycodone daily that you are, and now am 43 days clean. My sex drive has come back and my girlfriend loves it, the social events that were once boring without a pill are now so much fun, and I have energy to last me all day long. I noticed you said you have a steady connect for 3 dollars a piece. The first step to qutting is cutting that connect off!

When you are ready to quit, let me know, I'll be here to help you through this along with many knowledgeable people here that have been in your position and overcome it. Good Luck, and remember you can do this!

[EN OPP]

lilbri - if you want to try the taper route, try dropping 10mg off your habit every couple days. You can stay on a certain dose for a longer or shorter time depending how you feel. Withdrawals are inevitable, and 100mg a day is something you could get through cold turkey without having to worry about a tapering regimen.

[Riggz510]

Originally Posted by EN OPP

Riggz510 - You said you "think the pills are starting to consume your life." Sorry, they already have, and now it's time to take your life back! Do you remember when you used to have a great time socially and in bed without ever thinking of a pill? Well, you can be that person again, trust me!

I have a similar story to yours, I also started with the vicodins or percocets 5,10's, whatever I could find for some time and then the past year I graduated to a daily habit of 4-5 30mg oxycodone tablets (the blue roxies). When I ran out, I couldn't do ANYTHING..sex was out of the question and so was having a good time with my friends. Nothing but my next pill on my mind...addiction is brutal and will choke the life out of you.

Now for the good news, I was taking double the amount of oxycodone daily that you are, and now am 43 days clean. My sex drive has come back and my girlfriend loves it, the social events that were once boring without a pill are now so much fun, and I have energy to last me all day long. I noticed you said you have a steady connect for 3 dollars a piece. The first step to qutting is cutting that connect off!

When you are ready to quit, let me know, I'll be here to help you through this along with many knowledgeable people here that have been in your position and overcome it. Good Luck, and remember you can do this!

I guess I meant to say, "that I'm really starting to feel the effects" of the pills taking over my life.

I've tried to stop before, but I dread the withdrawal feelings. I literally feel like i want to jump out of my skin. Its scary. I sometimes stare at myself in the mirror and wonder how this happened to me? I guess for me I never hit rock bottom so its so easy to feel as if "you" don't have a problem. I mean I have a great life.. So I used to lie to myself and say " you're different", "your not like the rest of the addicts", you have a good job, car, money etc.. BUT ITS ALL ONE BIG LIE.. I'm just like every other addict!!!

Its like I cant do anything without a pill. I hate myself at times.

[EN OPP]

Don't beat yourself up over knowing you're an addict. The first step to stopping is acknowledging that you have a problem. I didn't hit rock bottom, I lost a lot of money and my job because of these pills, but those are things that can be replaced. Now that I'm clean I'm in a better position than I ever was getting high.

If you really feel like there is no way you can outlast the withdrawals for a week, you can look into suboxone. Be careful as it is also addictive, and do your research on it.

We all know that it's scary going into withdrawals, you get the feeling of helplessness, all at the same time going through pain and flu-like symptoms...
Don't delay the inevitable, if you want to quit, do it..if it doesn't work out keep on trying. Just remember that it can be done, and the rewards are priceless.

[907baby]

So I'm not doing so many percocets right now. The worse is Fentanyl, the patches that you such the gel out of. I replaced one addiction with another, only worse. The patches have put me in ICU twice, once on a respirator. I know im crazy why would I want something that has almost killed me? I lie to myself and just say "oh I just wont take THAT much," but gradually im back up to the amount that I originially ODed on. I hate this drug. help?

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Riggz510

Hi everyone,

I'm 29 and I've been taking pills for 5 years now.. My addiction started with 5/500 Vicodins. I would do it for the euphoric feeling. It then escalated to the 7.5's then the 10's. I know have been taking the 15mg Oxycodone, because it has no tylenol. I have a steady source and I pay $3 per pill.

I've been taking about 4-5 per day......................

I'm starting to feel like the pills are consuming my life..........

Riggz510 ... EN OPP is right. The OC are controlling your life. I promise you that you can stop this. Please understand that I would never judge the seriousness of your addiction to anything I have done. What I want to share is just an example that may help you. Here is another story like yours.

I had some very serious injuries several years ago. The drs just kept adding more and more pain meds on me as they couldn't fix anything. I had progressed to where I was in a wheelchair. Couldn't even use my walker anymore.

I peeled the label off my last 30mg Roxicodone script and kept it ... just to remind myself where I had been in case I ever considered doing it again. My pain mgmt dr, a legitimate and respected dr, not a script dr, was prescribing 750 30mg Roxis a month. I know that is insane and unbelieveable, but it is the truth I swear. Drs today don't even believe me when I tell them about it unless I show them the label. I was taking 25 30mg Roxicodones a day and my insurance was paying for them.... over $1500 a script. I would take 5 or 6 at a time several times a day. I sometimes ran out. Then I would just pour handfulls of Loricets in my hand ... not even count them and they did nothing but keep me from getting sick until I could refill the Roxi script. I was living in hell! This doesn't include the Benzos and Somas ... etc.

Now the good news! I cancelled my pain dr appointment and checked myself into a rehab. I remember sitting in the parking lot before going in with my 9mm in the glove box and me contemplating using it on myself. I was bad off. I even held it to my head. Thank God I didn't use it.

My time in rehab was soooooo bad. I thought I would die from being so sick. But I didn't. I was in the rehab and then a hospital as I had a couple of bad seizures. All together between the two I spent well over a month either in an institution or the hospital. It took close to another 3 months before I could speak in coherent sentences. I finally recovered.

NA has a saying about addicts. The end is inevitably jails, institutions or death. You can do what you need to do now or pay later. You are young. I was 50. Do what you need to do now so you don't end up going through what I did. You still have your whole life ahead. Don't screw it up worse with the OC. Once we get rid of the addiction we are able to deal with the pain alone. The addiction is more painful than the pain from the injury is.

Man up and do what you need to do and stop torturing yourself and those around you who love you. You will be so glad you did. I hope this helps some. It sends shivers down my back to even share my story. I am so lucky to be alive and happy today. You can get past this.

[lilbri]

Originally Posted by EN OPP

lilbri - if you want to try the taper route, try dropping 10mg off your habit every couple days. You can stay on a certain dose for a longer or shorter time depending how you feel. Withdrawals are inevitable, and 100mg a day is something you could get through cold turkey without having to worry about a tapering regimen.

en opp thanks for the reply but ive bin on this for 10 years since my back opperations and you cant get sub in canada ive tryd cold turkey twice and wimped out im 53 years old and cant take this mutch longer but i have to stop
there must be some way to do this without feeling so blaaaaaaah. thanks bri.

[tummyprobs]

I stopped taking opiates on saturday. So today is day 5 for me. I was taking about 30mg a day. Not a alot compared to other people but i have been taking it for about 2 years now. I tried quitting about 2 months ago and the withdrawals werent too bad just a few days of stomach pain and diareah. I went back to them and now i am done. I am flying to england for a week this friday and wanted to stop before then since i cant bring them with me and figured this would be a good opportunity to quit since i will be out of my natural habitat of taking pills.. So i thought i gave myself enough time being that last time the withdrawals only lasted 2 or 3 days with the stomach problems. I am on day 5 now and still have really bad stomach gurgling and really bad diarreah. I am soooooooooo scared that i will still have it on friday for the plane ride! its a 7 hour flight!!!!! I dont know what to do. If i have to go the bathroom on the plane i am gonna freak out! From reading recent posts it seems that the diarreah only lasted a few days. I know everyone is different but can anyone give me a rough estimate. Do you think it will be gone by friday at least???

[EN OPP]

tummyprobs - have you tried OTC immodium AD? it did wonders for my stomach after I quit, give it a try if you're still having the tummy problems.

[Jewels71]

I was on oxy, vicodin and valuim for about 2 years after my back surgery. I began to abuse the doses, eventually, I'd run out of my rx early and had to bare withdrawls! Talk about dumb!!! Anyway, I had the watery eyes, yawning, cramps, diarrea, nausea, sweating, chills, severe leg pains, and I couldn't sleep! Horrible tossing and turning!!!
The SEVERE withdrawls last about 2-3 days. On days 4-5, it gets better! My suggestion is slowing weaning off on low doses, if possible. If not possible, have your friend take extra strenght anti diarrea meds& advil, take hot baths and eventually the symptoms will slowly fade... it's an awful place to be in! I feel for your friend! But, they will get over it... Best of luck!

Originally Posted by Doggy

I have a really good friend who is addicted to the pain killer Hydrocodone. Anyhow she wants to stop but everytime she does she gets really bad withdrawals such as sweating and shaking, can't sleep, etc. I was wondering if anyone out there has been through this on their own without going to a treatment center. If so please tell me what to do for her and how long it took for the withdrawals to go away!!!! HELP!!!!

[EN OPP]

Jewels71 - good job on beating your addiction. The post you replied to is about 4 years old, if you want to check out the newest posts click on "last page" from the featured conditions page.
How long have you been off the opiates?

[IcameIdidIconquered]

Doggy- I am 24 and have been clean of hydocodone and oxycodone for 10 days now.... I had been on them for 4 years. I was taking 4 10-325's 6 or 7 times a day so bout 300-350mg hydro each day + 6 oxys a day. ********************ty thing was ive been on them so long i havent gotten a buzz in over two years! Yes i had an actual script from my doc (had a bad car wreck few years ago) so i did need them for legit pain but my tolerance grew so high my doc had me on 6 and 6 according to script (6 hydro 10's + 6 oxy 5's) so obviously i was getting my full supply other ways... I know u dont wanna know my story but its important to getting ur friend off these f ing things. I was terrified to quit. I have had to go thru w/d a few times for reality i couldnt find more pills!! but i would always find more and keep movin on. April 1st i decided to just be done. I could buy an island for what ive spent on pills that dont even keep the pain away. There is a thing called Ultram or tramadol now let me start by saying these are still a prescription so ur friend will have to go to a doc but they are not a controlled substance so a doc will likely offer them for pain BUT BUT BUT these are addictive too so be careful! W/D cold turkey can cause cardiac arrest, seizures and possible death ( according to my doctor) But i was done had enough. So taking the Tramadol was gonna have to work!!! FOR ME it kept away the jittery leg crawling outta ur skin ********************, gave me a boost in terms of motivation, slowed down the constant usin bathroom to a tolerable rate and took the edge off the pain. Tramadol DID NOT make me feel ok but they helped in a big way but ur friend has to want to be done this battle is 50/50 pain and mental battle....i am slowing the use of my tramadol so not to become hooked on them b/c i notice when i dont take em the leg jitters come back but not the way you feel from withdrawl. Make sure ur friend takes multi vits and lots of gatorade thru this. Good luck and God Bless

[907baby]

I really appreciate everyone sharing thier success stories. It gives me hope. I hope somehow I will be posting mine someday. I want to stop, but it just seems like this huge feat I must overcome. Ive withdrawled off of Percocet before and I know I can do it, it's just my daily 100mg of Fentanyl that stops me. An addiction specialist my parents sent me to (when I was 17 and on their insurence) told me I cant cold turkey the Fentanyl because of the high dosage and that I would probably stroke, seizure, or have a heart attack. So she told me to wean myself to 50mg and come back. The problem is I only get ahold of the 100mg patches...and when its there...I take it all. I cant stop half-way, Ive tried and tried and I feel like its impossible. I want it all, I feel like 50mg isnt enough and that im going to go into a pannic attack w/o the rest. I feel disabled. I cant drive when im on it...which is all the time. Ive cancelled appointments, dates with friends, COURT dates, all because Im too high to drive there, let alone have someone see me like that. I got expelled from school for beeing high. All I had to do to come back was pass a drug test. I dont smoke weed so all I had to get outta my system was the Percocet and Fentanyl which only takes 3 day. I tried soo hard. I mean school is my life, and it took me a month to get myself only 3 days clean so I could pee clean. Im so ashamed. Im an honor student with scholarships! I just feel like this damn drug has cost me so much, and yet its still my #1 priority. If I dont take care of this problem there is no way I'll make in college..or the real world period. Do I need rehab? Please let me know if there is another option. Thanks so much.

[EN OPP]

907baby - If you feel like the withdrawals are too much for you to handle, I'd suggest looking into Suboxone, it's an opiate based pill that keeps you from going into withdrawals, and also prevents you from getting high on other opiates. Methadone is also available. I've only heard a few success stories as well as a few bad things about each medication. They are both an option to helping you quit tho. Just do your research, and good luck.

[IcameIdidIconquered]

EN OPP
If uve read u know i quit opiates on 4/1 i thought i was doing great but now that i am off the Tramadol i have started the insane weakness, i have 2 small kids and i dont even feel like i can lift my arm or legs sometimes. Weird thing is that i seem kinda sugar buzzed on the inside. Legs are crawlin, cant sleep, feel like my body is wanting to run a marathon on the inside but the outsides too weak 2 do anything? Its been 12 days now when will this stop? You seem to know alot about all this so please help. If somethin doesnt give soon...

[IcameIdidIconquered]

907baby just curious y r u on phet? My uncle is on the patches but only b/c he is terminally ill with cancer. its some crazy potent stuff whatever you do PLEASE PLEASE be careful!!!

[EN OPP]

IcameIdidIconquered - congratulations on being clean for 10 days. that's a big accomplishment. I believe the Tramadol you were taking was just delaying the withdrawals from coming. Tramadol also has an affinity, although it's much weaker, for the same opioid receptors in your brain as the oxys and hydros.

Now that you're ridding yourself of all the opiates in your body including the tramadol, the effects of withdrawals become a lot more intense. The feelings you are having are very common. You should feel the pain in your body lessen everyday, and in a week the "flu-like" weakness, loss of appetite should disappear. My energy came back after 3 weeks, and at 4 weeks I had energy to last me almost all day. Sleep was the last thing to come back to me, it took around a month to finally fall asleep without any Tylenol PM.

It's just so worth it being free from addiction, you know you can do this so don't give up. There are days that are hard and some that are not so hard, but everyday that you're clean helps you. One day soon you'll wake up and not think about a pill first thing in the morning, and appreciate life as you knew it before taking any opiates. Keep your progress posted, I want to see another success story.

[IcameIdidIconquered]

Thanks for the feedback. U seem 2 know alot about all this and i really appreciate ur words! From what im hearing i believe ur right about the tram. Everyones telling me that after 13 days opiate free i shouldnt have any w/d symptoms and all they can figure is that since now clean of the tram my body is re-starting w/d in a more intense way. Tried Varilium (herb used for anxiety and imsomnia) + xanax last night but no luck... wanted to cut my skin off felt like someone was hitting me with a stun gun every 10 seconds. But one more day clean......Lord knows this process is one hell of a learning tool.

[EN OPP]

IcameIdidIconquered - How long ago was your last dose of Tramadol? Sleeping is something that your body doesn't adjust to very fast, but everyday sleep becomes a little better. The best thing that worked for me was just an hour or so a day of exercise, it helped alot in staying asleep all night.
I haven't tried the valirium, but I heard it's worked for some people. The xanax worked pretty well for me after a week of being clean, but I only took it for two nights. The first few days i think my body would of laughed at me if took xanax, sleep just wasn't an option.
But like you said, "this process is one hell of a learning tool," every drop of cold sweat, every tear you shed, every pain you feel in your body, and every sleepless night will soon be a reminder of why you don't ever need to be taking opiates again.
Hope you are doing better today...I'm 49 days clean today and feeling great, the only effect of these pills that still lingers is thoughts of them at least once a day, but they are distant thoughts that are easily erased from my mind.