[iknowit]

YOU NEED TO GET SUBOXNE! READ FURTHER ON THE BOARDS, AND YOU'LL HEAR ALOT ABOUT IT OR GET ON THE WEBSITE.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS IF YOUR PROBLEM IS PILLS THIS WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE, YOUR MARRIGE AND YOUR THINKING HABITS.
IF YOUR REALLY SICK OF THIS SH*T, THEN SUBOXNE IS FOR YOU.
IT GETS RID OF ALL WITHDRAWL YOU FEEL GREAT LIKE YOU NEVER TOOK A PILL BEFORE, AND FOR ME YOU DON'T EVEN WANT TO.
FOR THE FIRST TIME IN AWILE YOU'LL THINK SO CLEARLY THAT YOU WILL WANT TO CONTINUE THIS.
SOME SAY QUITING COLD TURKEY IS BETTER, AND IF YOU CAN DO THAT THEN POWER TO YOU.ALSO SAYING THAT YOUR REPLACING ONE DRUG FOR ANOTHER WHICH YOU ARE.
BUT I HAVE TO SAY, IT FEELS ALOT BETTER TAKING 2 PILLS A DAY RATHER THAN 40, AND YOUR NOT CHASING A HIGH, IN FACT YOU DON'T GET HIGH, AND CAN'T IF YOU TRY. AFTER TAKING SUB. IF YOU TAKE YOUR PILLS THEY WON'T WORK,(SOUNDS TERRIFYING HUGH?) THE BEST PART IS YOU WON'T WANT TO TAKE THEM YOU WILL FEEL THE BEST YOU EVER FELT IN A LONG TIME.
AS FOR YOUR PAIN, THE SUB. WILL HELP THAT TO AND YOU AND YOUR DOC CAN FIGURE THAT OUT, I'M NO SPECIALIST BUT AT 40 PILLS A DAY THIS SOUNDS LIKE IT COULD BE A GREAT OPTION FOR YOU.

[Arkie88]

How do you go about asking your doc for subox? Does he automatically know you have a problem when you ask for it? If I go on the subox and I still have a lot of pain will they still give you painkillers? I am looking at another possible surgery right now and I'm visiting with doctors this week.

I have a script for 100 percs dated for Friday that part of me can't wait to get them and the other part of me says if I can go 4 days with just ultracet I shouldn't even take them .... this is crazy.

[iknowit]

OKAY YEAH THIS IS THE HARD PART.
YOU GOT 100 PRKS, YOU'LL PROBABLY TAKE THEM IN 3 DAYS FEEL LIKE SH*T THEN WHAT?
IF I WERE YOU ,SADLY I'D FINISH THAT SCRIPT, WITH THE EXEPTION THAT I WILL TAKE MY HAPPY A*S TO THE DOCTOR THE FOLLOWING DAY AND GET HELP.
BUT HERE'S THE DUSIE, YOU'LL HAVE TO ADMIT TO THE DOCTOR THAT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, MOST SUBOXNE CLINICS STAND ALONE AND YOU PAY, BUT BECAUSE YOU ARE IN PAIN YOUR INSURANCE WILL COVER.
BUT YOU HAVE TO BE READY TO KICK THIS HABIT. I CAN'T STRESS TO YOU ENOUGH HOW WELL SUBOXNE WORKS, IF ITS THE PAIN YOUR WORRIED ABOUT YOUR DOC COULD UP YOUR DOSE OR PUT YOU ON A MED ALONG WITH SUBOXNE.
NOT PERKS, THEY WON'T WORK WITH SUBOXNE.
IF ITS THE PILLS YOUR REALLY WORRIED ABOUT THEN YOUR NOT READY TO KICK YOUR HABIT AND MAYBE YOU SHOULD START TRYING TO WEAN DOWN A LITTLE WITH YOUR MEDS.
TRY TAKING 3 IN THE MORNING AND SET TIMES FOR YOUR SELF UNTILL YOU GET DOWN TO A DECENT AMOUNT,
ONE THING I REALIZED IS ALOT OF THIS IS IN OUR HEAD, AFTER 10 YOUR JUST POPPEN PILLS THAT PROBABLY AREN'T EVEN DOING ANYTHING BUT FU**EN UP YOUR LIVER.
I'M IN THE SAME BOAT BUT IT TOOK ME AWILE TO STOP MAKING EXCUSES.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN TAKING PILLS?

[mpvt]

Not just any doctor can order suboxone (buprenorphene.Go to suboxone.com and use the doctor locator to find a prescribing doctor in your area.This drug works very well........Dave

[Arkie88]

I've been on them for a year and a half but really taking them hard for the last 3 months or so - my Dad died recently after getting cancer and I had to take care of him - that really pushed me over the deep end.

[PoppyQueen]

Arkie, If you're taking that many pills in one day, it sounds like your dealing with pain other than the physical kind. If you want to keep taking percs you're gonna have to slow down the amount you take or you'll be going through withdrawal time after time. Taking care of your father who's dying of cancer must be horrible and no doubt the reason you take so many pills. If ten don't work, 40 won't either so what's the difference--be a little more economical with your pills.

You may not find a doctor to subscribe suboxone within the next 24 hours. Go to www.suboxone-directory.com/ for a list of prescribing doctors in your state. Read back several pages of this forum and look for PoppyQueen because I have talked extensively about this stuff.

Good luck to you. Percs won't help with depression. They'll just numb you. You have a family counting on you.

PQ

[Arkie88]

Thanks so much for your kind words. Its weird I'm on day 2 without them and I really am ok. No major withdrawal symptoms. I still have cravings but I'm doing ok with the ultracet. I'm not in major pain. I'm wondering if I need to go on an anti depressant first and that will help. I have 100 coming to me and my goal is to make that last at least 8 days - which is good for me because it would normally be gone in 3 days. Weaning is my first step. You guys have given me strength to do this. I'll let you know how it goes, but so far so good.

[unclenasty93]

can anyone give me some advice on how to make it through those first few days on suboxone? i want to start it but i am afraid that i will just go right back to my drug of choice. i almost think it would be better if i could start it in-patient somewhere. any info/advice would be appreciated.

[hae]

quote:Originally posted by phre0n

i am sure anyone in this topic is in the same boat, but i take pain killers because i have actual pain problems intense nerve damage, pain that strikes so hard it drops me to my knees, so after 10 years of taking 60mg roxicodone 10mg percocet 10mg loricet and 10mg valium at night iam finally not taking it for pain, i no longer feel pain from the nerve damage i feel pain from my addictions i am at almost 2,000mg of roxicodone a day and then add on the percs and lori's to keep me in line inbetween, i've tried methadone a huge failure because i cant go on living with the intense pain from the nerve damage i am 23 years old, and i've been spoon fed medicine since i was 13 years old, i'v grown up being high on pain killers, the surgery that my doctors offer me is 10% success and 90% that i'll be parallized for the rest of my life, firstly i havnt had luck finding a doctor willing to take the risk and perform the surgery secondly i myself cant convince myself to go through with it and take the surgery i am at a dead end and feel like my life is in the hands of the drugs that i take i have no doubts that i am gonna die young due to the damage the drugs do to my body and at some points i even feel like why wait for it why not just shoot myself and see whats in store for me after that, but i struggle because i have a lot of people that care for me and i dare not dissapoint them and do a selfish act such as that, but i have lost my faith and i have lost my will, i have problems at work all the time because i am and i hate to be so vulgar but ****ed up during work, and my problems just keep on stacking up, i feel that doctors are taking advantage of people in most cases and giving them drugs that are far too addictive when there are alternatives but doctors get paid by drug companys to sponsor there drug sad but true, i think people need to stand up and start fighting against these types of doctors and if you know anyone that is taking pain killers to get high when they dont really need them give them all the advice you can and even print some of the topics here for them to read, they have no idea what there getting into, i have friends that beg me to sell them my medication and i always tell them the devil will take over your soul through these things and refuse to sell it, for some of us out there there is no way out of this mess, and sadly i feel that iam gonna take my perscription bottles with me to my grave.

[hae]

quote:Originally posted by phre0n

i am sure anyone in this topic is in the same boat, but i take pain killers because i have actual pain problems intense nerve damage, pain that strikes so hard it drops me to my knees, so after 10 years of taking 60mg roxicodone 10mg percocet 10mg loricet and 10mg valium at night iam finally not taking it for pain, i no longer feel pain from the nerve damage i feel pain from my addictions i am at almost 2,000mg of roxicodone a day and then add on the percs and lori's to keep me in line inbetween, i've tried methadone a huge failure because i cant go on living with the intense pain from the nerve damage i am 23 years old, and i've been spoon fed medicine since i was 13 years old, i'v grown up being high on pain killers, the surgery that my doctors offer me is 10% success and 90% that i'll be parallized for the rest of my life, firstly i havnt had luck finding a doctor willing to take the risk and perform the surgery secondly i myself cant convince myself to go through with it and take the surgery i am at a dead end and feel like my life is in the hands of the drugs that i take i have no doubts that i am gonna die young due to the damage the drugs do to my body and at some points i even feel like why wait for it why not just shoot myself and see whats in store for me after that, but i struggle because i have a lot of people that care for me and i dare not dissapoint them and do a selfish act such as that, but i have lost my faith and i have lost my will, i have problems at work all the time because i am and i hate to be so vulgar but ****ed up during work, and my problems just keep on stacking up, i feel that doctors are taking advantage of people in most cases and giving them drugs that are far too addictive when there are alternatives but doctors get paid by drug companys to sponsor there drug sad but true, i think people need to stand up and start fighting against these types of doctors and if you know anyone that is taking pain killers to get high when they dont really need them give them all the advice you can and even print some of the topics here for them to read, they have no idea what there getting into, i have friends that beg me to sell them my medication and i always tell them the devil will take over your soul through these things and refuse to sell it, for some of us out there there is no way out of this mess, and sadly i feel that iam gonna take my perscription bottles with me to my grave.

I AM SORRY TO HEAR THAT YOU ARE IN SO MUCH PAIN. I WAS IN THE SAME BOAT AS YOU I HAVE NERVE DAMAGE AND AM IN CONSTANT PAIN. I HAVE 3 KIDS AND THERE WERE DAYS I COULDN'T GET OFF THE COUCH OR HOLD THEM. I WAS ON 10-12 LORTABS A DAY. I FELT LIKE I WAS IN A BLACK HOLE. I GOT OFF OF THEM 2 MONTHS AGO. I DID A BODY CLEANSED AND A METHADONE STEP DONE PROGRAM. ONCE I WAS OFF OF THEM I FOUND OUT THAT THE LORTABS WERE CAUSING ALOT OF MY PAIN, I STILL HAVE PAIN BUT I CAN CONTROL IT NOW WITH EXERCISE. MY WHOLE LIFE HAS CHANGED I DON'T FEEL LIKE I AM IN THAT BLACK HOLE ANYMORE. YOU SEEM SO SAD I HOPE THAT YOU CAN FIND SOME WAY TO GET OFF OF THE PILLS AND BE ABLE TO HAVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT YOU DESERVE!

[RitchieT]

I'm trying to quit painkillers -- it's a nice lady. I went a few days without them and felt like hell. They say it's 72 hours -- baloney. I felt so awful for a week, that I broke down and took one. Instantly I felt better! I'm trying to keep it at one a day -- hard to believe that your body can be addicted to that little, but it can. I'm thinking about trying cold turkey (again). I'm not thrilled by the idea of suboxone. It just sounds like I'd be addicted to something else. I also don't feel like going to a doctor. I'm sort of riding it out with some tea. I'll probably take a Vicodin later today when I can't function any longer without one!

[iknowit]

WHATS UP UNCLEN;

THE FIRST FEW DAYS ON SUBOXNE IS GREAT.
UNDERSTAND THAT THIS DRUG TAKES AWAY ALL OR JUST ABOUT ALL YOUR WITHDRAWL AWAY.
MAKE THE APPOINTMENT, YOU WILL SHOW UP SICK AND LEAVE MUCH BETTER, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET CLEAN THIS WILL HELP.
YOU NEED TO BE STRONG, I KNOW ITS HARD BUT YOU CAN DO IT.
YOUR EXPECTING THE WORST BECAUSE YOU KNOW HOW BAD YOUR GONNA FEEL, SO MUSTER UP THE STRENGTH TO DO THIS AND I ASURE YOU THAT YOU'LL BE PLEASANTLY SUPRIZED HOW GOOD YOU FEEL AFTER TAKING THE SUBOXNE.


RICHIE T
KNOW THAT YOU ARE TRYING AND REACHING OUT THAT IS A GOOD STEP.
I'M SURE THE HELL YOUR PUTTING YOURSELF THRU ISN'T WORTH IT.
YOU SAY YOUR TAKING 1 PILL A DAY AND BARELY MAKING IT, WELL 1 SUBOXNE A DAY AND YOU WON'T BE STRUGGLING NEAR AS MUCH, ALL I'M SAYING IS DO A LITTLE RESEARCH AND THEN MAKE A CHOICE!
GOOD LUCK

[PoppyQueen]

Uncle Nasty, I assure you it's a no brainer. I went in sick, having gone 17 hours without my pills, took the Suboxone and 20 minutes later, tada! I felt normal. I did feel a bit dizzy and that was all. The shakes and runs instantly vanished. You won't need to be in patient at all. I went straight to work after that first pill. Just tell anyone yor a little under the weather although you may not have too.

PQ

[ANSFAN17]

Hi Everyone!

I have not posted in 6-7 months. I came back to the board because this time I am god damed determined to get off of of this stuff.

If anyone remebers me I was the one who someone was telling me that Suboxone wasnt for me, since I was "only taking 3 percocet 10/325 a day. By the way, I am a he not a her. A few people who replied to my post thought I was a girl. Not that it matters, hust wanted to clear that up. I also was talking anout being a "shadow of my former self", that many of you all related to.

To reiterate, I started taking painkillers about 2 1/2 years ago when I came down with a few kidney stones. Ouch!!!! And believe it or not, I can still remeber a time when the thought of even a vicodin made me so nausous. Now I take them not to do the dreaded WITHDRAWL.

I don't know when that light, if thats what you want to call it, switched on in my brain, but flash foreward to now and I am taking this s**t.

I guess it all started when I "came out". A nine year realtionship ended horribly (I'm not sure, but think he may be the devil [] and I turned to drinking and cocaine. That went on for a few months, but know I really only do the pills. There are times when I drag myself out for fear of my friends forgetting me, which I dread becasue of the weight I have gained from these pills. So once in a while but rarely will I drink or anything else. God I sound like Stevie Nicks. LOL. But thats ok, I love her...hahah

Anyway, Im now 31 and Ive got to get my social and dating life back or its gonna kill me.

So this week I am gonna force myself to call and make this appt. with the Suboxone Dr.

My question to you all is how long do you have to stay on the subone???

Any thoughts from you guys would help...

Be Well
Anthony

[phre0n]

to hae: Well my life isnt exacly perfect so to speak i make a minimum of 1k/week being a builder/contractor but my condition keeps me in the house and i am mainly working on my computer or speaking on the phone, ordering materials, scheduling, etc. which in a way is a blessing because i am not capable of doing any physical work like i used to; however, i am still forced to take a lot of roxicodone, at times i am so f'ed up on them i cant even keep a straight face at a family gathering or even worse at a meeting with my sub-contractors, somehow life has a way of working out though thus far i've been succesful i only fear that my body will give out before my will does. I've tried to get off them many times but the physical addiction plus the pain from that i have keep me on them, in about 7 months i will be heading to germany in hopes of having surgery with a high success rate maybe at last i wont have the pain so that i can get detoxed and live a normal life.

to ANSFAN17: it all depends on your will power some can be on it for 2 months and call it quits after that, i've tried it once and it works wonders takes away all your withdrawls and makes you normal but if you have physical pain you'll still be hurting which is why i stoped it, i recommend you do it in a form of therapy, the way i did it was every wednesday we had a gathering and other people that are in the same situation as you kinda motivate you and you do the same for them, might sound kinda corny or lame if you will but its well worth it as in the long run it can only help you, i wish you the best of luck and strongly recommend you dont take the route of methadone as that is for heroin addicts and you'd be switching one addiction for another, i have friends that made that mistake and after 3 years there still on methadone, while they could've easly done away with there withdrawls another way.

[chrish1]

Hi, I have an appointment with a doctor next week to discuss "opiate blocking drugs." I am thinking this may be the SUBOXNE discussed on this board - correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, I was using painkillers, mainly percocet or oxycodone for 7 years. Recently I was taking about 20mg/day, and I decided that I was addicted. So, with the support of my wife, I started weening down. It seemed it would take a month or 2 to get down to nothing, but I found something that helped. After 2 days in the Narcotics Anonomous program or NA, I found the strength to go a clean day. After 6 days in the program, tomorrow will be my 4th clean day. It hasn't been easy, but NA has helped me tremendously so far. I am going to stick with their guideline of 90 meetings in 90 days and see where it takes me. Although I am new to this NA program, there are hundreds of addicts that are no longer using because of the NA program. I meet addicts every day that have not used in 15 or more years, and they attibute this to NA. I went in with an open mind, and I believe I have stumbled upon a miracle on earth, NA. PLEASE, if you are suffering, just give this a chance. Look up the NA program in your area and attend some meetings with an open mind. I know it is only day 4 for me, but I have witnessed many that have stayed clean from NA. I am putting a lot of stock in it now. Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Good luck, and God bless.

[phre0n]

keep in mind that the route you've chosen is to go cold turkey with the help and support of your peers, given it may be the hardest way to do it, it IS possible, but in certain cases where someone takes an extreme amount of opiates a day going cold turkey could pretty much mean suicide. I wish you the best of luck with it, hopefully you'll pull through and start your life over.

[chrish1]

Hi, perhaps I left out a little bit. I'm not exactly going cold turkey. I weened down on oxycodone from 20mg/day to about 7.5mg/day, then I went down to 2.5mg/day, and finally I had my first clean day 4 days ago. There is no way this would have been possible without the help of NA. I plan on sticking with their program everyday for 90 days, and then I will go to meetings x times a week, probably for the rest of my life. I also plan on using the opiate blocker drugs starting next week. What do you think is the easiest way to get off pain killers?

[phre0n]

Suboxone would be my #1 choice, its amazing how it blocks all withdrawls i couldnt belive it the first time i tried it, i strongly recommend you give it a shot, you seem ready. Best of luck.

[kyhomegirl]

I called a Dr. today about getting on suboxone. The secretary told me that they will send out forms for me to feel out and then the Dr. decides if he will treat me or not. Has anybody else on suboxone had to do this too? Also how much was the office visit, and the prescription?

[PoppyQueen]

KYGirl, I called two places and both were willing to take me not knowing my drug history. One was a psychiatrist and the other just an MD. If you feel you may fall into an iffy category, like perhaps they'll think you don't use enough, tell them you do more than you do.

Only you, and you alone, know whether you could kick cold turkey or by weaning off. I know I can't do either. So if you really want to get on Suboxone, you should be able to.

It'd be really difficult going to the doctor, in full withdrawal, and not having any more pills. What if they turn you down? You gotta have a back-up plan.

Is there another doctor you can try? By the way none of these guys take insurance. I pay up front and then submit to my ins. co.
I paid $350 for the first visit, $200 each visit thereafter. The prescription cost only my co-pay. I don't know what the full amount is. Go to any of those on-line drugstores and look it up and you'll get a ballpark price.

Good Luck and keep us posted!

PQ

[kyhomegirl]

Hey thanks, PoppyQueen, Wow, $350? So your insurance reimbursed you? There are only 4 Dr.'s here in my county that do suboxone treatment. I'm sure he'll accept me but I guess I can stretch the truth a little. I think I do way to much. I tried to call another Dr. on the list and it was a pain clinic, and I only got a answering machine. I have Anthem as my insurance and they told me to get some sort of number from them to see if they cover it but I doubt they will. At least it will cover the meds with only a $12 co-pay. Well I wish I was already on it, so I could get this nightmare over with! I'll keep posting when I find out more!

[chrish1]

Thanks. I'd never heard of that before going on this site. Yes, I am ready and fully committed to getting off this poison, Oxycodone. I am completing my 4th clean day. I am also considering an outpatient program, 3 nights a week, for 3 months to help get my new life free of drugs started. I will definitely ask about that drug. Are you off completely? If so, how long? Good luck to everybody.

[mpvt]

Thats a great idea Chris and congrats on your 4th day of freedom.Your in for a whole new world......Dave

[slave123]

Hi i have been taking vicodins for a year steadily with my girlfriend we do it together. i only take about 1 in half a day miraculously. i really want to stop now but im scared of the effects it will do to me when i stop should i start taking half a day to stop gradually because i still want to do it and how long should i stop to know that im dona for good?

[chrish1]

Thanks. Today is clean day number 5 for me. As each day passes I realize that I am going to go through highs and lows each day - that is going to be part of recovery. The lows seemed unbearable at first, but I find that if I just stay still, breath deeply, and just read or do something relaxing, it passes. I know I can beat this. The key for me will be never taking a single percocet or vicodin again, just like when I quit smoking in 1998. I'm at the very beginning of this, so I probably don't know that much about recovery yet, but I can honestly say Narcotics Anonymous has pulled me through the first 5 clean days. Look up NA in your area and attend a meeting if you are suffering from this desease, as I am. I am going to attend inpatient sessions through my health care plan for 3 months also as I have said. The support of my peers in Narcotics anonymous has helped pulled me through the very beginning. We can ALL find hope in a life without drugs. I am just starting, and I am excited (and anxious) about the future. I am going to give it a shot and see where it takes me.

[jennyg]

i am also trying to quit but do am scared to take suboxone for some reason. i'd like to do it on my own and wean off. today i only took 5 (i uusually take 10-12) and am feeling fine. no wothfrawl symptoms at all.
does anyone have any other advice for me? NA sounds like a good idea, but i am kind of scared of that too. thsi forum is the only place i have admitted my addiction.
thanks for any help
jen

[chrish1]

Jen,
There is nothing to be scared of with NA. It is totally anonymous, and the members will welcome you. They always say the most important person at any meeting is the new person, and they will respect you no matter what you say (or if you don't feel comfortable talking at all). They are the most nonjudgemental people, and they really want to help. Helping people get off drugs helps them stay clean also. It is a magical program. Just go to a meeting or 2 with an open mind, because you will see some people you think might be more messed up than you. A lot of them hit rock bottom before seeking help. You are in the most fortunate position because you have not yet hit rock bottom, but you realize your addiction. I also was fortunate enough to realize before I hit rock bottom. Anyway, listen to the message if you go, and try not to judge external appearance. I have found that they are some of the most beautiful people on the inside that I have ever met. I really hope that you will at least give it a shot. What do you have to lose? BTW, I am in my 7th day of the NA program and today I am miraculously completing my 5th clean day. Tomorrow will be my 6th. Good luck, and God bless.

[jlc]

My husband has an addiction to Norco and I'm completely lost.
I have tried everything to help him but he flat out refuses and becomes verbally abusive.
I'm open to any suggestions that someone can offer because I'm at the point of giving up on someone I love.

[slave123]

today is day two for me on my quiting i feel so good this morniogn since i didnt take sny yesterday but i do have a big urge to do it today but im gonna try hard not to do it im at work and try to do activities like play my psp to get my mind off of it i hope it will go good today