[Never_me .]

This morning started off so great with the post from Grimm ... What a user name why can't I be creative like that. lol... I think I chose "Never me" to mock myself and remind myself that I'm never above anything... It reminds me of those words I spoke then swallowed each letter down one pill at a time till it was two pills then three pills ... Darvocet to Vicoden to Lurocet to Percocet to Methodone ... The habits grew and so did the pills ... Thousands of times I swalled those letters with every pill I took ...Robbing me of all the good things I did in my life and making every day go by like a blur... Life seems so much better now, just being in the sunshine now moves me, funny how I never noticed it when I was using .... Hope your doing good Grimm...

Well maybe a blessing in disguise work is slow and we have been cut back to 40 hours ... Sweet ... I get to come home at 3:00 and don't have to hang at the plant ... Yep , Baby steps my work is the worst part of it it is a drug users paradise I have been there close to 20 years the plant manager has been there 21. Ever since I've know him he has been a big pain pill user in fact his wife OD'ed one time on the job. You can find almost anything you want there and when it came time to put in a drug testing program to lower insurance cost guess who designed the program... Yep, the plant manager and his wife...The only ones that get tested at our plant are the new hires anyone that had already been there before they implemented the program never gets tested. Once you pass your initial drug screen the only time you ever have to worry about being tested is if you have a bad accident ... And if you do and your dirty all you have to do is tell them and they will send you home and let you handle your injury using your private insurance. I remember once word got out about how many drugs are at our place of work that the police had the road blocked at both ends and the drug dogs out searching each and every car that came out of the plant before word got back to the plant that the police had a road block set up they had netted 57 bags of Coke out of three vehicles and were chasing one employee across a open field. Still the status quo on everything is the same today...

Well I had little problem today things went smooth my best friend told me he would have my 100.00 back to me thursday, And told me he really, really respected what I was doing... Then one of the guys I use to buy from stopped and asked me again if I was going to quit ... I told him yes that is my most sincere hope ... He laughed in my face and told me I was just like the plant manager trying to quit but never will and he told I would be back just like the plant manager always comes back... And he told me when I did come back he would make me wait ... Just like he does the plant manager... I replied that anything was possible and that he could be right... But I had not used in a week and I hope to never use again. That he had seen the last of my money or so I really hope... He laughed and told me we will see and told me he will always take a pill it feels to good to stop... And I said yes we will , the worst part is over for me now it will only get easier as time goes by and I don't use anymore...He turned around and walked off laughing and shaking his head and I felt anger swelling inside of me ... How had I left someone like that take advantage of me ... He was not concerned about me only about the money he would not make off of me once again I not only felt the disrespect he held for me but now I could see it ... But this time I knew it was different this time I was not waiting on him to get me pills. I was not worried about when I would get them or if they were what he told me he was getting me or something weaker... LOL...This time I was not worried, if anything I was pissed at the way he acted and the way he acted only made my resolve to kick this habit stronger... Nope it was not me that was worried this time ... I think the tables have turned I think that now it him that is worried ... He is worried that the cash flow from me has stopped that his easy mark is no longer there ... I don't feel hard towards him now but I think if it continues in the future it will not be me feeling disgusted and disrespected by the way he treats me or the way I feel ..It will be me feeling disgusted and disrespectful towards him for what he does and how he prays on people that have a illness.

Well 3:00 hit and I clocked out and walked out into the sunshine with a slight breeze flowing drug free another day on the job... Funny how much I see and feel the things around me more now ... The sun , the wind the green grass the smell of pollen ... All things I never gave a seconds notice to at all while using...

I pulled up at the house and checked the mail ... LOL...My federal income tax check was setting there ... Let me tell you ...It has been a great day so far ... Thank you Grimm for starting today off so well for me... Thanks to all of you on this board for all your support and words of encouragement and telling me what to do and how to do it... I don't know if I can ever repay what all of you have done for me... What was it James Stewart said in that Christams Movie??? "It's a Wonderful Life " Thanks to all of you it certainly is for me these days ... Thank you ...

Again just want to say congrates to all of you on your clean time ... And to all of you still trying I think your my heros ... Because y'all have the courage and good sense to keep trying till you get it right... And really the truth is for all of us ... Every day is a battle just because we may be clean a week or a month or longer .. We are all alike and everyday is a struggle to do the right thing... I'm not going to single any one person out here because it took this whole forum to get me where I'm at today and I thank each and everyone of you for your help and words of wisdom.

[hatelove percs]

wow, never me, that is a great story! a quick shout out to everyone as i am having to post from a computer at school because my internet is out at home, so i don't know when i will be able to get back on. anyway just wanted to say hey and proud of ya guys! later!

[tamara02]

Hi,all!! Kia,LydsH/L and never me,You are doing great that was a great post Never me and Im so happy for you ,the Checks were just the icing on the cake ,right??Lyds hope all is well w/ you!!and I know Kia you got your act together,It sucks just looking back and thinking about all the pills we have been taking and the outrageous amounts of money spent on them,when I quit the hydro ,MY 1 friend a supplier,she gave me a hug and was truly happy for me,the other one was completely the opposite,she was your friend if you gave her $$$$ for those lil devil pills and didn't give a darn.you know who your friends are don't you!!!H/L I sent you an e-mail,chat w/ you later,everyone else Im so glad you're doing great!!take care ,Tammy...

[lyds]

I just got done with my high intensity work out. Yes, I am finally back up to high intensity. I think back to a few weeks ago when I couldn't even lift my butt off the couch! I progressed from low impact, to medium, to where I am now. Back where I was in the beginning. Yay, me!

Hi Tamm! Hope you're well. I emailed ya.

Never_me: I find myself coming here and looking for your posts immediately. Not that I don't love reading everything from everyone, but I am receiving such a blessing from your posts right now. I really, truly, and sincerely pray that you are proud of yourself. I know in one of your earlier posts you spoke of being "stupid", etc., for using. I went through the same stage. I beat myself up constantly. It didn't do a lot of good. I am far past that part now, though I have moments of regression. BUT, I just want you to know how wonderful you sound. Finding strength in some tough situations. Anyhoo, be proud of yourself. I am going to keep telling you that. Each minute of each drug free day that passes, BE PROUD.

Well, I am off to shower. Have a blessed evening, all. I'll stop in tomorrow!

[Baby Steps]

WOW Never Me... you never seize to amaze me son!!! You know... there was something I just had to copy and paste in here that made me think of all the things that should motivate me to stay clean (and there are many) this should be 1 of the top reasons:

"He laughed in my face and told me I was just like the plant manager trying to quit but never will and he told I would be back just like the plant manager always comes back... And he told me when I did come back he would make me wait ... Just like he does the plant manager..."

Allowing "Anyone to have that much control over you would be horrible" It sounds like he just knows you "Need" him and what "He" has to offer you to keep you in his control. Yep... That would do it for me! You will always be looked at as admired because they obviously don't think you're strong enough! Well... we've hot news for them huh!!!

Keep up the good work and I just have to say... I Love your posts!!! Thanks for taking the time out every day to let us know how you did!!! Love It!

Have a Super Night tonight and day tomorrow!!!

Blessings!

[Baby Steps]

Hey Kai Kai... How are you young man??? Been thinking about cha! Let me know...

Hey Grimm... How was your day today???? I pray you had an easier day today... let us know... God Bless you! I was thinking about you as well!!!

Hey Coming Home... How are you sweetie??? Still doing ok??? Let me know... I'm hoping for the best for sure!

Hey My Syd! Hope your doing great as well!!! Tell me all about your trip as soon as you get back. Miss ya...

Hey Lyds... Wow... That is FANTASTIC that you are back to High Intensity!!! Sheesh... that's actually pretty fast!! Good Job! I'm sure you felt GREAT after that!!! Keep it up... and I also pray every morning for everyone in this forum struggling to get off the pills or off the pills and struggling to stay off the pills or just off the pills and need strength... It's all about Him isn't it? He is Good All The Time!!! I know he has truly blessed me with so much in my life it takes me at least 15 minutes alone in Thanking Him!!! Stay Sweet.

Hey HL ... Geez... you can't cut a break girl!!! First you get banned.... Then you get back on and your computer messes up!!!! That's Is So Messed Up Girl!!! Hurry up and get it fixed... I miss ya already!!! How have you been? How have the headaches been? Hope you're doing good!

Everyone else... Have a great night!!! Talk to ya later... Luv ya all!

[Never_me .]

Been a great night as my sister stopped in with her three sons I'm a man that loves children I spend alot of volunteer time working around kids. It started with my own son and as he grew everyone thought I was so good at what I did that they did not want me to stop ... They wanted me working with thier child but as much as I love it it has really been getting to me ... With this bad habit I have I did not want to continue because down inside I felt bad about it ... But again things have changed this past week ... If you remember my story about my EMT friend and his addiction after his son and how I said that would never be me ... The truth is I had become very much like him... I wonder if any of you are like me now looking back at the past and seeing how bad you were messing up. And now on your clean time you find every reason in the world that will help you to stay off the pills. I have thought of many and they have all aided in my time staying clean... Everything from how it would kill my Mom if she found out ... To stuff that I don't think would ever admit but find myself doing so now ...So that if I ever slip all of you will know and can remind me of it and get me back on track...I don't plan on slipping but addiction is a powerful thing and it is a struggle and if I ever did I would not be the first ... But knwoing now that I have the worst part behind me makes and keeps me pretty strong ...

Hey Tam and H/p thanks for the good words ... Yep the checks are some nice icing on the cake ... I remember thinking that when I got them I would spend a few hundred to stock myself up on pills ... Now that is out the window ... But I have opted to repay someone that has stood by me since I started my clean time .. She brought me everything and anything I needed when I was going through wd... Like many of your words her words have lifted me to where I'm at now as well as her actions... You see my GF is a huge Chris Dougherty fan (Of AI fame) and she would give anything to go see him. He is coming to Atlanta in April and before she could get tickets they sold out ... Now they are like close to 200.00 to buy a pair ... That is a bit out of her reach with some of the things she has got going on now ... So I went online and bought a pair tonight they should be here in time for her birthday next week... I know I will never be able to repay her or any of you for all of the help I recieved .. But then my money is no longer tied up and I know this will mean the world to her ... But I'm sure she would tell me that me being clean is what means the most to her... LOL!!! Of course 200.00 to see a American Idol is far to high for me ... But it is not about me now we have spent alot of time worrying about me of late... Now it is about her..

Lyds ... thanks ... Yes I am proud of myself every minute of clean time I spend the smile on my face reminds me of that. I have come to realize we are all human and we make mistakes. I sure made a bad one here even though I thought I knew better and it could never happen to me.But I've worked and suffered hard to get control of my life back . I did that with the help of all of you and my GF... I am very proud even if at times I still kick myself for being so stupid ... Keep up those workouts ... You sound awesome ... And thanks

Baby steps ... Your an Angel I could never begin to tell you how much your posts and support have meant to me .. You are totaly awesome when I first started reading the boards your old posts reached out to me ... And I decided to register and come online and attempt this. Now I see why they did you really care about everyone here and work very hard to help all of us out ... Thank you so very much ...Hey and stay safe on that bussiness trip we all need you so badly ...

To all of you ... Y'all are totaly awesome no matter where you are in getting off the pills , Staying clean or whatever ...every post you make reaches out to touch someone and help someone and maybe bring them back to one day closer of regaining control of thier lives... So please keep on posting I don't know if you have any idea of how much it helps people out there looking for help.. But if it helps any I'm living proof of what you people posting can do ...

Grimm and Junkie hope you guys are having good days and good things are happening in your lifes... Have not heard from you today so I hope you two check in soon...

Syd you were right cold turkey was the best way for me ...thank you...

I'm off to bed ... I've started sleeping again... It is not a good sleep yet but hey I'm asleep for several hours now ...

[pdxRx]

I just posted this in its own thread in "Need to Talk?" but it is better here

Hi,

New user here! I been floating around the forums for a couple weeks. I felt like I really should post somewhere about this subject. This was a current thread. If this needs to be move I am sure the freindly moderators will help me out.

First of all I just wanted to thank everyone who contributes to these forums, especially in the Opiate Withdrawal tops. I am trying to quit my pain killer habit and it has been really tough.

My history basically consisted of 18-months - 2 years of vicodin (mostly) use. Which ended at about 50-60mgs/day for that two months. I threw in some morphine and oxy to supplement here and there, or make to the next script.

I weened my self down to about 20mgs/day and stopped on feb 16th. A friend gave me 1 subutex and told me that it was used in Rapid Opioid Withdrawal. I took that about 21 into sesation of the Vics. I didn't relize it was an opiate at the time. Soon my symptons lessened to fairly bareable.

Day 2,3,4 I felt miserable but bareably so, NOt mu RLS, no diahrea, but didn't really sleep much

Day 5 I started feeling the symptoms coming back, less severe, but miserable all the same.

day 5,6,7, = MIserable. The R.L.S being by far the worst sympton, Keeping me up at night. Had diahrea several times a day. I drank gallons of juice and water, Tried to eat regularly (this wasn't to hard). Took baths and baths and baths, even at 3 am. I got some restless sleep each night not but definetly only a few hours here and there.

day 8 i faulter, got 40 of oxy. Snort 25mgs with in seconds of getting it(this embaded the discomfort of course). Spread the remaining 15mg over the next two days (10 and 5) respectively. Surprisingly to me this didn't completely remove my W/D symptoms, lessened them yes. I slept a little better these nights but still not a good nights sleep.

Day 11. I split a 10mg hydro in quarters and had 2.5 in the morning and 5mg in the evening. Still feeling ********py. RLS and diahrea returning but less than day 5-8.

Today (hope i got all the days in there)
R.L.S still bothering me considerably. Took the last 2.5mg of hydro this afternoon. I felt alot better today. But I know I still have some tough days ahead of me.

For the RLS/Sleep I have tried several things, no of which of been all that successful. 25mgs of Trazadone had moderate success in sleep. One night i took a flexeril, This didn't really help wiht RLS or Sleep but it did relax my aching body. Tonight I am going to try some diphenhydramin and aceto and see if that helps me get to sleep.

I have been smoking a little pot (only two or three puffs through the evening) in the evenings, and this has helped as well.

For those of you that followed all that, thanks for reading and replying if your so inclined. I would love to hear your support, opihions, and advice.

So tomorrow is the next big day. I am planning to just ride out a few tough days cold turkey.. However, I have a couple of Ultracets and a couple of propox +aceto. Should I use these to just ween down a little more, or should I just go for it at this point? Would they help me ease the withdrawals, or just delay the inevitable?

Again thanks alot to all those poster who have posted ther trials and tribulations to this subject. You have all helped me so much already. To think I was going to stop using them, and didn't know that would be a problem!!!!!!!!!!!

[Never_me .]

Just woke up and wondered out here to check the board and saw you ... Quiting is tough is'nt it ? I wish I knew what to say to make it stop or get you over it without and probelms but it is not that easy . I'm going to defer to some of the more experienced posters here that are quite capable of helping you ... But you have already taken the first step by coming here and posting .....Help is on the way and again it is not easy your going to have to be very determined but I'm sure you can do it ... After all you already made it this far ...

Good luck hope to talk to you more later ... If you need to talk hang around this is a good place for people like us .

[tamara02]

Hi,Never me ,That was the nicest and sweetest thing you did for your friend buying the tickets, Its nice having all this extra money ! I would spend abt.2-3 thousand a month on those lil devil pills,how sickening,now that I think about it..If I quit smoking soon thats another oh! about 300.00 a month, I think I'll go shopping today,lol,Like I really need too!!!congrats on your clean time ,really its wonderful....HI PDXRX,SO glad you found a great forum right here,some brilliant minds here,hope you get all the help and support you need ,like never said: You've already taken the 1st step by coming here,Take care Tammy

[Baby Steps]

Hey PDX! Good Morning and Welcome to our place!! We are so very happy to have you and we are all ready to help you if even just to have someone to talk to. You have clearly made the right decision... you have chosen to stop allowing something else control your life. GODD JOB! This will take time so you just have to hang in there... Take Baby Steps to your Freedom... 1 Minute... SHOOT... 1 second at a time!!!

I posted a copy from another forum poster (Painful Fate) above or maybe it's on the previous page to help you with some of the things your body is going through. I hope that helps... My question to you is this...

Was it only 6 (10's) vics a day? Nothing else? You mentioned taking other pills like morphine and oxy's but about how much of those (preferably the oxy's) were you taking a day? Have you had any time to heal or are you trying to continue on with your normal daily activities while quitting? How much time have you given yourself to get through this w/o any responsibility? I think you need at least 3 to just get the meds out of your system and allow your body to go through the w/d of not having any meds anymore. At about day 4 it's not a cake walk but I was able to go to work. I just got tired very early and had to leave on time instead of the normal OT I put in.

What your post sounds like is your were kind of all over the place (not in a bad way just a confusing way for your body) You quit, then you took subutex (which is a long acting opiate and stays in your body longer than say a Hydro) then you go with nothing again and then you choped up some Hydros... etc... You should go 1 of 2 ways... you could taper... by cutting your dose day by day (but make it consistent) if you cut it down from 6 to say 3 a day... you have to do that for about a week and then take it down for another week etc... I'm no expert on the taper because I have NO willpower to taper!! LOL However there are a few here like NY and others who have and were successful in tapering maybe they can jump in...

Or go C/T which means... Nothing... Zero... This is what I had to do. Every time you put something in your mouth during C/T is like you start all over again hence your day after day of problems... I suggest you prepare for a C/.T W/D by giving yourself a day to start... have at least 3 days to get through the physical and stay away from your contacts or anyone with any pills...

Or you could go the suboxone way... but you need to see a doctor that prescribes this and monitors you... if you go to suboxone.com I think (and guys please correct me if I'm wrong about the link) and look for a DR in your area to see if they are taking patients... There are mixed reviews with this ad I am not one to give advice on it as I never went that route...

Good Luck to you and stick around here... Keep reading to pass the time and post everyday to let us all know how you are...

I've spent a lot of time here and really have to get off to work but I just had to talk to you... Hang In There RX!!! I'll pray for you!!!

[pdxRx]

Originally Posted by Baby Steps

[size=3][color=blue][b][i]Was it only 6 (10's) vics a day? Nothing else? You mentioned taking other pills like morphine and oxy's but about how much of those (preferably the oxy's) were you taking a day?

Basically i was taking 6 10mg Norcos daily. I mention the other pills in passing because I did use them from time to time to bridge the gap in the scripts for the Norcos.

Originally Posted by Baby Steps

Have you had any time to heal or are you trying to continue on with your normal daily activities while quitting? How much time have you given yourself to get through this w/o any responsibility? I think you need at least 3 to just get the meds out of your system and allow your body to go through the w/d of not having any meds anymore.

I don't really have any time set aside unfortunately. I have been suffering through work and don't really have much choice otherwise, maybe a day or two. My family is supportive and I come straight home to the couch to be miserable.

Originally Posted by Baby Steps

You quit, then you took subutex (which is a long acting opiate and stays in your body longer than say a Hydro) then you go with nothing again and then you choped up some Hydros... etc...

Yeah i really wish i wouldn't have taken that subutex. I didn't really understand that I was just prolonging the agony. I thought it would help with all the symptoms. HEHE it did do that. As for cutting up the hydros, also a mistake but I am still dealing with some pain and everything got the best of me. I think that I did pretty well in continuting to lessen the amount.

Originally Posted by Baby Steps

stay away from your contacts or anyone with any pills...

Yeah I had already done that in preperation. I deleted all the "numbers", gave my cash card to my wife. Unfortunately the devil still found me and I faltered. I haven't answered the phone or the door since.


Well I am on the cold turkey train now. I haven't done an ideal job in getting here but i think a couple hard clean days, an some weeing has helped me. Only time will truly tell. Thanks for all the kind words.

[pdxRx]

Hopefully some here can answer this. Some has given me a few clonodine to help with the withdrawal. I currently take clarinex and singular for allergies, Benicar hctz for moderate hypertension, and 5 mg of lexapro.

Is clonodine used for this type of thing? Does it help mellow the RLS? Is there some sort of drug interection that may cause me some problems?

Thanks again.

[hatelove percs]

hi there!
welcome to our family. the clonidine will help with the rls. as far as taking any type of opiate to keep w/d at bay, as long as you have it in your body you are just prolonging the agony. i tapered my dose of percs down, but i was taking like ten a day, which i tapered to one. then jumped. i tapered fast though. one time before i did like you and it just drug on and on and on. this time i did go through some w/d, not quite as bad, but pretty darn bad. you have been suffering for twelve days so you have basically doubled the amount of time you would have had to go through the physical part. the worst is usually over in 4-5 days, a week. then you go through having no energy which i found real annoying, but you aren't in physical pain and sickness. some people feel quite a bit better in three days. so you see, if you had gone cold turkey you would be feeling pretty good right now! i would stop taking anything right now and just feel like ******** for a couple days. it probably won't be so bad since you have so little in your system now. take care and be strong and keep posting!

[tamara02]

Hi PD ,its a b/p med. but very effective for those restless leggs,seems most dr's are rx'ing it to help w/ the rls.,go to the home page there is a drug interaction checker click on it ,put the names off all the meds U take on there and it will tell you what U need to know,You're on the right track,keep going ,lots of luck....

[tamara02]

Hey H/L Great your pc is working!!! I was posting and you typed alot quicker,I was surprised to see u up there..How's the doggie???

[Kaidog]

pdxRx:

I have used the clonodine before with pretty good success. For me, it was prescribed in a transdermal patch, sort of like one of those no smoking patches. Those carry the brand name of Catapress but the active drug is clonodine. When on it, it greatly reduced the magnitude of the restless legs and the withdrawals but it does not completely remove them, especially at night. My best guess would be that the clonodine reduces the severity of the withdrawals by about 50% to 60%.

One drawback, or at least a potential drawback, when I took the patch off too soon I had severe headaches for a couple of days.

I've never tried the pills so can't speak as to their effectiveness.

Good luck and welcome to the board. This board and it's members have been the single most effective tool in my getting clean.

[pdxRx]

Well at work and not feeling to miserable. My legs are somewhat calm, and I have a managerie of other symptoms (mild hot/cold flashs, mild nausea, moderate diarhea, moderate aches and pains) that are annoying but not to crazy. My wife packed me a nice lunch, that I hope to be able to eat. Fruits and carbs, and sweets. No way I would ever be able to do this with out her. I got four more hours before I can go home, take a scalding hot bath and be miserable on the couch. At least Lost is tonight.

Thanks for all the support. I may give that clonidine a try tonight if the RLS ramps up. I am trying to track down some ambian as well since the tylenol pm did not help me sleept at all. But it will most likely be me in the guest room twitching again tonight. I don't look forward to that.

thanks

[Never_me .]

Weclome again pdxRx glad to see you still here and working so hard ...
Grimm how are you doing ... Hope life is treating you well... Same goes for you Junkie...

Well it was a good day of work nothing out of the way and another day clean so far it is very sweet. Got Dart league tonight and got revenge on my mind last week I was so sick with WD's that I stunk the place up and missed everything I shot at ... Tonight I'm on a mission ...

Hope everyone is doing welll ... And keep on staying clean .... Will be back later.

[Never_me .]

For me sleep was the last thing to come back in fact to be honest I still wake several times in the night... But I am sleeping better... My first week there were nights I was probably not even getting a hours sleep. I remember a couple nights walking the Walmart at 4:30 in the morning looking for something to knock me out... We know it is not a easy task ... But if you stick to it ... you will find all the agony and sufffering well worth the reward of claiming back your life and freedom.

[pdxRx]

Originally Posted by Never_me .

For me sleep was the last thing to come back in fact to be honest I still wake several times in the night... But I am sleeping better... My first week there were nights I was probably not even getting a hours sleep. I remember a couple nights walking the Walmart at 4:30 in the morning looking for something to knock me out... We know it is not a easy task ... But if you stick to it ... you will find all the agony and sufffering well worth the reward of claiming back your life and freedom.

Thanks for you kind thoughts and experiences. I know that the sleep will be the most difficult hurdle. I know this because I wasn't a very good sleeper before I went started down the trecherous road 2 years ago. That was one of the greatest things about those little fiendishly freindly pills, I slept great.

[hatelove percs]

you know baby steps had a great deal of luck with melatonin, which is over the counter, and if i am not mistaken, the main indgredient in lunesta. she slept, well, like a baby every night!! haha. also lorazepam or xanax works really well but only for a few nights as it is addictive too so u want to be extra careful and not get hooked on that stuff (benzos) but a milligram of it at night really makes sleep come on. i don't know if that is available to you or not. i would suggest that melatonin first. or chugg that immodium because it has an ingredient in it derived from morphine and it will trick your mind into thinking it is getting it's fix when it really isn't, and may help also, i have heard others swear by this but i didn't try it myself as i learned about it to far along into my quest. good luck and happy sobriety!!!!!

vicki

your liver is innocent, don't execute it!

[pdxRx]

Originally Posted by hatelove percs

you know baby steps had a great deal of luck with melatonin, which is over the counter, and if i am not mistaken, the main indgredient in lunesta. she slept, well, like a baby every night!! haha. also lorazepam or xanax works really well but only for a few nights as it is addictive too so u want to be extra careful and not get hooked on that stuff (benzos) but a milligram of it at night really makes sleep come on. i don't know if that is available to you or not. i would suggest that melatonin first. or chugg that immodium because it has an ingredient in it derived from morphine and it will trick your mind into thinking it is getting it's fix when it really isn't, and may help also, i have heard others swear by this but i didn't try it myself as i learned about it to far along into my quest. good luck and happy sobriety!!!!!

vicki

your liver is innocent, don't execute it!

I hear the cough suppresant Dextromorphan is the same way. I haven't started chugging nyquil yet but i thought about it. i did that for fun once, and it wasn't fun. Thanks for the tips.

[hatelove percs]

ughhhhhh nyquil , i think i rather take w.d. i don't know. that is easy for me to say now that i am a month past it....but man that stuff is ucky. maybe they should make opiates taste that way and we wouldn't be so happy to take it!

[pdxRx]

Originally Posted by hatelove percs

ughhhhhh nyquil , i think i rather take w.d. i don't know. that is easy for me to say now that i am a month past it....but man that stuff is ucky. maybe they should make opiates taste that way and we wouldn't be so happy to take it!

I dunno right now i would probably dig a Norc out of a pile of...... anyways, yeah the nyquil does not taste good. Helps when you are coughy, sneazy, stuffy, achy.... and need to rest. At least thats what the commercial says. Anyone experience not getting a flu/cold while popping pain pills? I didn't have a single flu or cold for two years.

[hatelove percs]

hehehe...we probably did, we just didn't feel it!!! seriously, now that u mention it, i was pretty doggone healthy. while i do remember "allergy attacks" i certainly did not come down with anything that required any down time...just more pills. *sigh* i don't think there was anything that percocets did not cure for me. actually, i am quite sure in truth they just masked the symptoms and sometimes i think that is why it takes the body so long to get energy back after stopping the pill of choice. we abused our bodies so long ignoring the rest they needed when ill, tired, etc. pushing them because we had super strength and energy. when we stop they are just worn out, beaten down, and we realize, hey, gosh, we beat the c r a p out of ourselves and didn;t listen to what our bodies told us. the pills covered up the symptoms. now it is time to pay the price.

vicki
*liver is innocent, don't execute it!

[tamara02]

Hi all!!! and Hello H/L,what ya doin today???? Today is my son's 17th birthday,seems like I just had him,God how time flies, H/l did you say you were on the sub. I can't recall.I'm down to 8mgs,I guess I'm feeling ok,I wish I was totally off that ,too!!!my next step is to STOP Smoking!!! Wonder how my liver is doing? now that you mention liver H/l. I'm to chicken to have it checked.I used to drink ALOT!!TOO!! and take pills,I quit drinking about 9 years ago,so hopefully the liver is repairing it self,especially after quitting the Hydro,I bet it dosen't know how to act now,lol,Later Tammy

[pdxRx]

Well i am back to work again today. Yesterday I thought went pretty well considering. I passed on some ambien because I honest felt like I would fall asleep yesterday. Unfortunately sleep didn't come easy, but with the help of a small dose of trazodone i finally manager to get some restless sleep. My RLS was almost completely gone yesterday, unilt i went to bed.

This morning i am tired, and the RLS as returned but fairly mild in comparison to past days. I haven't tried to eat anything yet, thats my next task. My stomach is definetly unsettled. I have been doing pretty well in terms of cravings. I think I see this as so miserable i don't even want to be here again. So far that has kept me from not wanting any more pills. I started this process two weeks ago, and although I may have extended my misery some, I have managed to not miss any work, which was important to me.

Now i am just praying from my ability to get a good nights sleep to return. How long does it take until you can go to bed and fall asleep?

[hatelove percs]

well, honestly i think sleep varies from person to person. like that i never had problems with, and niether did babysteps. but others seem to a lot. i didn't have stomach problems either until recently and that was i think just getting back to normal. but ne ways people say sleep is the last to come back. my energy is the last to come back. i am just now (at little over a month) trying to force myself to do a little bit. i still sleep way to much. probably more depression, lack of endorphins, than anything cause i was on the stuff for so long.

how are ya doin tamm? i am not on the sub, i went c/t. boy, isn't it true how fast the kids grow? it virtually destroyed me when i sent my oldest away to college. got soooooo depressed, then i was like, hmmmm, no one is fighting....it is quiet....hmmmm....well, see ya at xmas br