[tamara02]

you're lucky your dog didn't chew it up while you were sleeping,lol,im here,now

[hatelove percs]

good grief. no doubt. i just finished cleaning up that mess. i am really hoping i can get this one friend of mine to do the wood work. i set her crate back up in there. she has a big surprise waiting for her tonight because she is sleeping in it. i haven't done that with her in six months. i know she is in shell shock b/c i have 1. kicked her out of my bed at night and 2. started leaving her outside all day. but heavens, she is a DOG. lol. what's up with ya'll?

[tamara02]

Hey since you kicked her out of your bed you will have to watch out and keep your bedrm door closed when she is in ,cause she or he will doo-doo on it again,my friend has 2 llhaso apsos,and they can be lil sh*ts.they get mad at her when her boyfriend stays over,they poop on his side off the bed!!!lol.yuck,later..

[hatelove percs]

thank goodness someone is awake out there i am so bored i thought of getting on under my alias and posting to myself!!! lol. she is in the laundry room in her crate for nitey nite. i am so mean of a doggy mommy. but she tried to EAT HER WAY THROUGH THE WALL! some things i have to draw the line at. the bf said i probably shouldn't have kicked her out of bed AND started putting her outside all day when she was used to only being inside all the time all at once, that i traumatized her. good grief. i was watching hogan knows best and they had dog massagers, psychics, and doggie yoga for theirs, and i am like, holy doodie, what is it coming to? i already have the only pit bull in town that wears a pink rain coat. hahaha. she looks real tough and ready to fight.hehehe. hey! how are those little pups doing? gosh i bet they are cuties now!!!!someone was gonna email pictures...wonder who that was???

[hatelove percs]

Hey! I've Been Demoted! I'm Not A Senior Member Any More. I Am Just A....member. I Protest! I, I, I,.......nnnnooooooooooooooo Faaaiiiirrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what The ?????i Won't Say It But I Want To!!!!!

[tamara02]

Hey Im getting there w/the pics but hey they are cute lil things,well actually they are getting big they think im there momma not Bea.she's tired of being their momma,I gave one away today,a lady in the neighborhood lost her male shep.a few months ago and I told her if she didn't find him,she could have one of mine,she picked out a beautiful male,and took it home ,I told her if she had any problem to bring him back for a while if he's not ready,but They are almost 6 weeks,and eat good on their own,she's taking him to the vet tomorrow,for worming ,shots and parvo shot if he's old enough I think he may be,anyways im bored to,I'm watching Van Helsing,he's pretty cute,also I watche dthe 100 sexiest people on E ,and this Edwardo guy was sooo sexy and fine,yum,yum,I don't know what's got into me lately,glad my hubbie dosen't have a clue on how to get on my computer,well except to play solitaire sometimes.write back if your still up,later

[tamara02]

Hey thats not fair I just noticed that ,you can write to ddcmod and they will fix it..Hey I dare you to go post to yourself you are tooo dang funny,Hey,its hard not to cuss alil ...lol, Get your dog a hugh ham bone that should keep her happy for a while,

[Never_me .]

Last night was my first night in a long time it seems that I got a good nights sleep... And I still feel like I could sleep the rest of the day but I'm up and ready for my first day back on the job...Still doing good but struggling to get motivated this morning ...

Yesterday was a very good day very pretty, spring like here . Sorry for your snow baby steps maybe it came in reply about Harrisburg to you. lol . I had a great time yesterday and Nicholas Cages new Ghostrider movie is one of the best movies he has done for awhile. The movie was better then I expected it to be ... Well got to get off to work will talk to everyone later tonight ... Good luck everyone with your clean time ... Wishing all continued success.

[Junkie781]

"And Junkie... You Poor thing!!! Hey Day 2 is not an easy day... Please hang in there!!! What brings you to this decision again? Whatever it is... please hang on tight to that right now! There has to be a reason... Keep in touch and let us know how you do... we are all here for you as always and forever!!!! "

Gotta figure out how to do quotes on this board....

Anyway, thanks for the reply. I'm struggling. Have been since quitting seeing the shrink. Guess I know what I have to do. While seeing the shrink (a substance abuse counselor) I had several months of opiate-free living and life was really, really good. Today, it's all I can do to type this message. It was all I could do to get up this morning. The thing I look forward to the most is sleeping. Not because I'm tired. In fact, I have frequent insomnia, but when I do sleep, I'm able to forget for a while. I'm able to forget the beast. When I wake up, the beast is back. I know I can force the beast to go away by staying clean just one more day, but it's hard.

Then again, I have an opportunity now. The supply has dried up. And it will be dry now for a few weeks. This will give me a chance to get my feet back under me again.

Man, I hate this. I just wish I could remember how much I hate it when the beast starts talking to me.

Well, I can look on the bright side - at least when I went to the substance abuse counselor before, I told him that my doctor was my primary supplier (which she was) and he sent a letter there, so I know that avenue of supply is cut off.

But it just sucks to be in the frame of mind where I need avenues of supply cut off. I hate it. It's going to be all I can do to get through my job today. In fact, I may just go home.

Sorry for the rambling, confused post. I'm just trying to empty my polluted brain...

Hope everyone's ok.

[Baby Steps]

Hey Never Me... I think you did subliminally send us that snow! But that's ok... it's all cleaned up adn another day is in the works... I told you you'd enjoy that movie... I love Nicholas Cage! I am so happy to hear you are feeling better. That really makes a difference!! More than that.... I'm just so happy you're still clean. What a Trooper!!!! Good Job Never Me... I'm proud of you! Where your friend Grimm???
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Hey Grimm... How the heck are you and where have you been? Get back with us... we worry about you too!!! I hope your doing ok!

You guys ... Have a GREAT CLEAN DAY!!!!

Hey J... a response to you is next...

[Baby Steps]

Good Morning J... I am so so sorry you are going through this! I really am... I can really sense your pain and I wish I could take it away!! You'll do it... I just have to have faith you will! Whether it be this time or the next.... Eventually it has to come to an end so you can be free... for real!

I think that's what drove me the most was I so love my freedom and always have and when that accident and those pills stole that from me it totally depressed me and I have never in my whole life felt that feeling so I had no other choice but to live again. And I'm going on 2 months and trust me there are still bad days when I'm hurting so bad I just want it to go away but I will never forget the c/t w/d 2 times! I swore the second time I didn't think my body could go through it again! I have lost so much weight (weight I couldn't afford to lose) and am having a hard time gaining it back because of those pills.

I know it hurts but please hang on this time... I also sense your real desire to quit the madness of trying to find the next pill and pretty much going through so much suffereing if they aren't available. Doesn't seem fair I know... trust me! I would get so mad when my refills ran out a couple days too soon and no one could help me so I would go through heck trying to survive those days... But I can tell you... I feel excellent now and have so much freedom ... I can't and won't let those pills or the docs take that away from me.

I pray you stay strong until you are past that pain... And again, I'm so sorry J... that you are going through this all over again... I also understand the sleep thing as well!!! That's all I wanted to do... I lived on the Melatonin for 3 days and still take it to sleep at night. Are you prepared this time?

Okay J... I just wanted you to know I was thinking about you and will pray this is the last time for you. I care very much!!

Take it 1 minute at a time....

[Baby Steps]

HEY J... to do the quote thing... Just press quote in the respective post you want to reply to and start typing at the end of the quote... Hope this helps!! Peace Out

[Baby Steps]

Hey Kai... Hows my guy today? How was your weekend friend?? I'm sure it was good!! Stay sweet...

ComingHome... I'm thinking about you today... I hope your doing ok... Please let me know. How was your weekend??? I hope it went great! Let me know... I have to get my payroll done here then head off to work but wanted you guys to know I was thinking about ya!

Hey NY, How are you girly!? Are your days getting better? Have you gone to a doctor since you quit the sub? If so what did they say about the rollercoaster days? Did they suggest anything you could share with a couple others thinking about jumping off the sub? I hope you satyed warm this weekend! I have also been thinking about you as well... I stay in pretty constant touch with Lisa so don't think I'm missing her here... Stay sweet Girl!!! Have a great day!

Hey Syd... I hope your trip went well... I'll bet you really got snowed in up there!!! Hit us back when you get connected!!! Miss you girl!!

Hey Lyds!!! How was your weekend?? I hope you had a good one and How have you been feeling? Let me know... Missed ya this weekend... or rather Sunday as I really wasn't around much on Satrurday... We got a horrible snow storm and the neighbor guy came over to shovel my driveway and sidewalk... That was so sweet of him... Sensless act of kindness I had to share...

Scared... how are you? I haven't seen you around either much... I hope you're doing ok

HL... of course girl... I'm always in touch with you!!! Have a great day!!!

Tom... Hey Buddy!! I hope you had a great weekend and a Good day today... Missin ya. Snoogins!!!

Ok whoever I missed... I hope everyone has a great day!!! Muah!!!

[lyds]

Good morning!!

Never_Me: Hi there. I've read your posts this morning and I'd like to thank you for sharing so much with us. It's quite theraputic to put everything down in words, isn't it? I want you to know I can detect a subtle difference in the tone of your posts. I think it's important for you to know that you seem a little happier about things and that I can see it. It helped me when folks noticed the change in my posts. Keep at it!!!

Junkie781: Hang in there. It sucks to be starting all over again, but, you pick yourself up and dust yourself off and go for it. Spend as much time here as you can. Read and re-read past posts from people. It helped me a lot and it might help you. I am praying.

Coming Home: HELLO to you!!!! It was so WONDERFUL to see your post. You sound so good right now. Praise God!!!! You're awesome. I loved reading about your reconnection to the Lord. Like Kai mentioned, He really is the only way to beating this thing permanently.

Syd: Thanks for the shout out! You've always been such a support. Thanks for that.

Baby Steps: Hey girl! I had a busy weekend and didn't even turn the computer on until Sunday. By the time I got on, it was quite late. I didn't have a chance to really read the posts until this morning. I am doing well. Really well right now, actually. Sometimes I pinch myself!

Tamm and Hate/love: Hello ladies. Hope you're doing well today!

I pray everyone has a great day today!!!

[Junkie781]

I'm lucky to have the job I have. I just couldn't function at the office today and came home early. I'm must chilling out with a couple of movies. Getting through my 3rd day the best I can. Looking forward to what day 4 has in store for me...wondering wtf is wrong with me that I have to have a mind-altering substance to get me through life.

Thanks for your thoughts everyone and I hope you all stay strong and beat this thing....

[hatelove percs]

hey, JUNKIE, day 3, wow, u r almost through the bushes to the other side! i cannot imagine going to work on day three i would rather have taken a three hour enema. sheesh. that takes some stamina buddy. hey LYDS, B-STEPS,TOM,NY,C-HOME,SCARED, oh my gosh i cannot even remember everyone there is so many now!!! it is so great we are all getting clean but so sad there are so many of us having to. this is like epidemic proportions, this addiction. the thing is, it has been made into a dirty little secret no one can come out with because they are ashamed and embarrassed since it puts one into the category of a "drug addict". i am really starting to think of something i can do in my area about this. maybe a support group or something. there are just sooooo many mothers it seems like. i was reading back over early posts where someone did that. i am seriously considering it, i just don't know exactly how to go about it due to the nature of the job and such. but i just know this town is chuck full of working moms like us with this problem. hey, so shout out some ideas to me guys!

[Junkie781]

hatelove - I'm no super hero, just another dope fiend trying to get the monkey off my back. I've not slipped back into daily use. I was doing what is sometimes (in heroin addict circles, at least) referred to as "chipping"

It's really insane. I *know* I don't need it. I *know* it only leads to pain and torment, yet, I keep going back.

The habit was worse....MUCH worse, when I got clean last year. I'm back on page 70 (or thereabouts) in this thread. Back then, I was doing much, much more than I was recently doing here, but it was, once again, getting out of control.

I would say taking 12 20mg OC tablets at one time is a pretty good indicator of a problem, right?

I just feel so.....stupid. I've been through this before. I've done this already. Yet, here I am again. Starting over.

Tomorrow will be interesting. I don't have any choice but to go to work. My work is demanding and complicated (I'm a technology department director) and withdrawing from painkillers doesn't make it any easier....funny thing is, being messed up ON painkillers doesn't make it any better either, but this damned addiction tells you it does.

And I listened to it.

Stupid.

[hatelove percs]

well, buddy i know how u feel. i think this is at least the fifth time i have quit, but i am pretty sure i am being lenient on that one. the longest i have stayed sober is three months and i am at one month now. honestly the cravings are really rough. Oxy is just a pill form for heroin i swear to god. one day at a time is truly for real, sometimes one minute because it would be so easy for me to go get a refill and pick it up, just a phone call away....but i think of the w/d cause i never ever have enough. i don't even know how many would be enough. i don't think a whole bath tub full would be enough for me. i would just eat/snort my way to the bottom and die. how stupid is that? i gotta stop talkin about it. u know how it is....

[Junkie781]

One it too many, a thousand is never enough.

If only I could remember that when the stinking thinking starts.

[tom316]

Yo Junkie! I'm sorry but i missed your story and I'm too lazy to go back and read(I just learned how to last week!just kidding!)It looks like you had a little set back.Big damn deal! You'll get past all this bullsh*t.Remember withdrawl is just a bad flu that goes away in a week or so! Got to bounce take it easy!

[hatelove percs]

hey tom how ya doin? i'm still hangin in there and made it back on here. hehe. i got punished. wahhhh.

[Never_me .]

Hello Everyone ,

Well first day back on the job was a tough one as most of my friends and connections besides my doctor are at work. I had'nt been at work 5 minutes when a buddy hit me up to see if I had anything or knew anyone who did. He kind of got a smirk on his face when I told him I don't do that anymore... Then at break time my best friend told me he would have the rest of the pills he owed me at lunch. Talk about temptation but again as hard as it was I told him I was not going to do it anymore had not since last tuesday and did not want to go through that again. He was cool about it and said he would just pay me for my share and keep them ... I was cool with that... Then lunch time got here and I was starting to feel tired and weak after being off for close to a week and I could not seem to get the thought out of my head of how a couple of 10"s would perk me up for the rest of the day and make the afternoon hours fly by like they always did... I bet I walked out of my building and headed up the hill to my friend at least three times to tell him I changed my mind. But when I did the thought of the past week and the sickness , the vomitting , the stomach cramps , and the nights I spend wide awake... And the thoughts and posts of all of you on this board would make me turn around and go back in my building. It was very tough today I came very close to caving in and I now I thought of every reason why I should ... Iwas glad when 5 got here and I went home amother day drug free... I was thinking to myself on the way out the door .."Man I might need to change job's" But I know in the end it is all up to me and I'm the one that has to be strong enough to say no ...

I can really relate to Baby steps when she talks about grabbing her freedom back because that is what we are doing. I don't know how many times buying the pills made me change plans delay paying bills and puuting myself in a hole just so I had enough to get me through the week. It always amazed me how Icould love my dealer and hate him at the same time. I loved him because he sold me the pills that made me feel so good... I hated him because I felt like he had a power over me ... He could take my money a tell me he was going to get my pills and I may not see him for a week. I felt like he had control over me and held disrespect for me and it made me feel guilty.
Now I fell like with each time I tell him no that I'm buying my freedom back ... I also now have all my money to do with what I want to ... And that is a freedom that I never want to compromise again.

I also totaly understand Junkies sentiments when he talks about our addictions. How sad it is that we are so weak... His sentiments in his recent post have run through my mind time after time. We are so fragile ....

Lyds thanks for the comments ... there were two reasons I wanted to document what I was doing and how I was doing it and why I expressed as much as I did ... The first was a you said ...It was great therapy for me in expressing my feelings and getting it out ... I'm not a man who likes to eat his words though since being addicted I have eaten more words then I care to admit.... The second was that if I could write down what I'm going through that maybe someone lurking or someone passing by with the same problems I have may read it and maybe in that way I can help other people when they read what I went through and know what lays ahead for them...

Well... I guess I have said enough for now ... I'm out to eat will be back later ...

Congrated to all on thier clean time ... And to all those who keep on trying ... Please do till you get it right the struggle never ends...

Grimm hope you check in and let us know you are alright...

[sydbean]

Hello All !!

Well, I am still alive!! I am at my parents in Vermont for vacation. They have a dial up modem <gasp!> connection so as you can imagine I have not even attempted until now to get on line. It is crazy. For each page to load it takes enough time for me to go and get a snack..come back and the page is just coming in to view. UGH!!! Anyway, as always it looks like I missed some good drama. When I get back home I will have to go back and read everything.

I miss you all and hope everyone is doing well. I'm not even going to attempt to do my shout outs because I am afraid if I make this too long it will take until tomorrow for it to load and post!!!

I am not going to be back home for another week or so but I will try to come on again even if it is just for a quick lurk.

Snoogins to all and happy happy snooch!!!

Love ya all!!

Oops, one shout out to my Soul Sista...hold down the fort for me my sister detective!! Hugz my Baby!!!

[Baby Steps]

OH NEVER ME I AM SO PROUD OF YOUUUUU!!!!!! Wow... if you could have seen the smile on my face when I read your post you would have been proud!!! Your story shows me how serious you are about this! OMG! That was AWE-MAZING!!!! Excellent... I pray you stay this strong... I didn't realize that half of your problem was at your work place... Yikes!!! That's a tough one... However, it is so very rewarding to have freedom as your reward!!! I guarantee you will be envied for your strength at work by those who want you to be right there with them.... struggling and in the grips of that pill! I'll bet your gf is pretty proud of you as well!

It appears that everyday will be a challenge but you're gonna win... I just know it... you've come a long way baby!!! I'd say save the money you would've spent on the pills and treat yourself to something very nice like a big screen tv if you don't already have one or a tropical vacation foryou and your gf... after all she's been there for you through this and I think she deserves a reward as well!!!

I can't really stay on tonight because I had a pretty busy day and I'm off to Philly tomorrow for all day meetings so I have to finish up some last minute reports but I just had to come in and congratulate you cause you made my day!!!! Keep it up young man!!!!

To everyone else... I hope everyone had a great day! Thanks for all the love and responses my peeps... I love ya and will be back on for a few in the morn. before I leave but wanted today night night!!

Hey Junkie... Hang in there buddy... you'll get it one day... remember what you're trying to do is not easy and really takes 100% desire and will... If this is the time that would be Awesome and jknow ... I'm here rooting for you either way! Hey I have been chatting with Girly Girl and she said she may pop in to say hey to all the oldies... I think you remember her huh? Stay strong, I'll truly pray for you as I do everyone every morning!!!

Hey Syd... shoot me an e-mail... I'm glad your trip went well. I'll chat with you tomorrow...

[Baby Steps]

I AM COPYING THIS FROM A POST I FOUND WHEN I WAS LOOKING FOR HELP IN WHAT TO DO FOR C/T W/D AND IT HELPED ME SO MUCH SO I THJOUGHT I'D POST IT HERE... THANKS PAINFUL FATE FOR TAKING THE TIME TO POST IT... IT REALLY HELPS!!!



Painful_Fate
Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: G'Boro, North Carolina , USA.
Posts: 22


For Anyone Suffering From Narcotic Withdrawals...

Having gone through MANY bouts with narcotic addiction and the withdrawal that follows halting use "cold-turkey", I'd like to share my recipe for keeping the withdrawal symptoms to hopefully a manageable degree:

**NOTE: This has worked for me in the past. Many people become mentally and physically addicted to opiates on many different levels. Some suffer very little withdrawal and some feel like they're going to die six hours after their last does was ingested. This is just my suggestion. I'm hoping you'll find some relief in the below medications/recommendations.**

1. The most important...drink LOTS of water. Water is BY FAR the best thing for withdrawals.

2. If you have the ability to get prescription medication (other then narcotic pain killers), ask for Neurontin or Lyrica. Even though both are mainly prescribed for preventing seizures, they are also great at relieving nerve pain (neuropathy and radiculopathy) and R.L.S. (Restless Leg Syndrome) which you'll definitely experience during withdrawal (otherwise known as: "Kicking The Habit"...the feeling that you constantly have to move your legs).

3. Immodium AD (Loperamide Hydrochloride) for diarrhea. There's no doubt that everything you eat is going to want to exit rather quickly and of not much consistancy. Trust me, 2mg of Immodium will help keep your food where it belongs and where you need it!

4. Any sleep-aid that has helped you in the past (Advil/Tylenol PM; Ambien CR etc.). Unfortunately, withdrawals make falling/staying asleep VERY difficult. Using an OTC or prescription sleep-aid will definitely help.

5. Warm showers/baths. It's strange but these REALLY help relax your over-active muscles. It'll feel great too...very sedating!!!

6. Muscle-Relaxers (Flexeril; Soma; Robaxin). If you have or can get them, use them. This will help with the muscle spasms! I wouldn't use these along w/any sleep aid though. Even though there way not be any drug interactions, you will become VERY drowsy. Be careful!

7. OTC Pain Relievers (Ibuprofen; Aleve; Tylenol). I know they don't do anything for someone who's been taking Vicodin, Morphine or Percocet but it'll have to work. They'll definitely lessen the bone pain you're going to experience as well as minor to moderate headaches.

8. Last but CERTAINLY not least, REST AND RELAXATION!!! Stay comfortable! If you get a cold flash, cover-up in a nice, warm blanket. If you get a hot flash, throw a fan in your face and cool off. Your body is going through a tough time ridding itself of something it believed it needed for so long. Give your body a break and watch for the signs. Your body tells you what it needs when it needs it!

I know that some of these won't work for everyone. Withdrawal is the devil. It's probably the hardest thing I've gone through. It's seven days of complete hell, the first 72 hours being the worst. I've been through it enough to know what helps. I've experimented with different combinations of things to get the most relief and the list above is my best recommendation.

Good luck to everyone and I hope you find relief in what I've written here today. Take care!!!

Painful_Fate

Unhappily In Pain For Over Five Years!

[Grimm]

baby steps that is some great advice, thanks for providing that here for us.. ...really appreciate the helpfulness and positive outlook of it.. reminds me that it should be done.. It can be done! I think the part thats been the hardest for me is the cold chills/hot flashes and GI symptoms.. but mostly the cold chills... i get soo cold... and yet im sweating.....
Never me i am impressed, I hope I can do what you've accomplished. im starting fresh... no ifs or maybes or buts about it.... thanks to everyone who has shared their experiences, its a real boost to know others have pulled this off!

[Never_me .]

Originally Posted by Grimm

baby steps that is some great advice, thanks for providing that here for us.. ...really appreciate the helpfulness and positive outlook of it.. reminds me that it should be done.. It can be done! I think the part thats been the hardest for me is the cold chills/hot flashes and GI symptoms.. but mostly the cold chills... i get soo cold... and yet im sweating.....
Never me i am impressed, I hope I can do what you've accomplished. im starting fresh... no ifs or maybes or buts about it.... thanks to everyone who has shared their experiences, its a real boost to know others have pulled this off!

Wow am I pumped up to see you , How have you been doing ? This has made my day I'm glad your still here as long as you it shows a desire is still there for you to put this behind you and your desire is what in the end will drive you to suceed at this. As I've said all along I have felt like you and I are in this together. I have done nothing yet just like for you everyday is a struggle the only thing that keeps me going sometimes is y'all here on the board and rememberiong the way I often had to suck my pride while using. To be honest I'm not even sure I am as strong as you I fear that should I use again that I may not have the guts that you and junkie have to come back here and face everyone again. That is also a motivation that keeps me going.

Yet I'm reminded of the words and examples of so many here that keep on trying over and over until they get it right. That there to me is some gutsy stuff and takes a brave soul. Grimm if you need anything or just want to talk don't be afraid to shoot me a line ... I have a myspace ...I have messenger services or I can send you my email addy if you want any of them. If there is anything I can do just let me know I'm here.

Well now I'm off to work ... Congrates on everyones clean time , and I really admire those of you that keep coming back to get it right ... ttyl ...

[Baby Steps]

Originally Posted by Grimm

baby steps that is some great advice, thanks for providing that here for us.. ...really appreciate the helpfulness and positive outlook of it.. reminds me that it should be done.. It can be done! I think the part that's been the hardest for me is the cold chills/hot flashes and GI symptoms.. but mostly the cold chills... i get soo cold... and yet im sweating.....

Originally Posted by Grimm

Never me i am impressed, I hope I can do what you've accomplished. im starting fresh... no ifs or maybes or buts about it.... thanks to everyone who has shared their experiences, its a real boost to know others have pulled this off!

Oh Grimm I was so happy to see your post this morning before I leave on my biz trip!! Thank you for letting us know how you're doing. Especially Never Me... It's obvious he has as much compassion (In a Cool Guys Way.... LOL) for you and about your situation as I do and I think that is so awesome! You're going to beat this Grimm I know it!!! Trust me... we understand completely where you are.... as that memory doesn't fade much but there is great hope and that sweetie is a very Powerful Word! Hope... optimistic of change... Strength to get through it.... and Wisdom to never go back! Grimm... I am Hopeful you will have the Strength to conquer this... Optimistic you will succeed!! Lean on the Big Guy upstairs, talk to him while you have this time together and I promise you He will get you through it!! And then use your experience to help others... That's all he asks in return.

The only thing I can add the the above recipe that I found to be the most helpful is... Take 2 extra strength excedrin every 3 hours (as they have caffeine in them can help with the pain and the headaches) I've tried every other OTC pain med and nothing compared as well as Melatonin for the sleep. It's also OTC in the vitamin section at your grocery or drug store.

I know you can do this Grimm... Like Never Me stated... I can feel your will to end this control in your life. I'm with Never Me... my e-mail is in my profile and I'm always available at some point in the day... I also have a MySpace (who doesn't anymore... LOL) if you have it let us know.

Never Me... I am very happy you are here as well!!! You and Grimm came on here together and have both become such a special part of this forum!!! All I can say is... I am glad your both here!!!

Last bit of advice guys... It's 1 second at a time til you get through the first 3 days (the worst of it) then it's 1 hour at a time, then 1 day at a time... Baby Steps!!! Starting Over!!! You're going to do GREAT GUYS!!!

Grimm... try to stay in touch so we know how you are doing... We care Very Much!!!

I hope everyone has a great day today!!!! I know the sun is shining here... YESSSSS!!!!!

Luv Ya!!!

[Kaidog]

Grimm:

For me the chills were the worst part of the withdrawals this time. No matter what I did, I could not get warm. No amount of clothing, no number of blankets, no heater setting could make the chills go away.

The good news is that at about day 25 or so, all withdrawl symptoms were gone and the energy levels began to return to normal (whatever that is). After a month, sleeping patterns returned as well. Now at day 54 ( ), all those ugly days of withdrawal are a rapidly retreating memory. I have gone the C/T thing so many times and this time was without question the worst. I never want to repeat that again.

Congratulations on you efforts. You can do it and no matter how difficult it is, the reward of getting one's life back is worth it.