[roimullet]

quote:Originally posted by Simara12

Well I ended up fessing up last night, especially since I am down to two pills and was scared that he would see me go through withdrawals again. He knew, and I knew he already knew anyways, but it is always hard getting it out in the open. It amazes me how much he can hate these pills, and how much I love them. It's like a person that has come between our marriage.
I told him I did not think I could quit without some kind of outside help. He cried and said he was so worried but he didnt' know what to do but that he would be there for me for whatever I needed. It's funny how I thought I was being so sneaky and then he mentioned my weekly shopping trips into town (we live FAR out in the country) and that I probably snuck a side trip in there to see (my source for pills) and he was exactly right. And I had thought he did not have a clue. Why didn't he confront me on it??? I tried to explain what these pills mean to me and the depression I felt without them.
Now we will have to see where all this leads. Today I was really sick, they are wearing me down, I feel sick and unhealthy all the time- and not just when I feel the withdrawals. I am drinking too much on top of the pills to give my high an extra boost.
Thanks for the understanding and support and advice. I am sorry about your back problems- I do not have any medical reasons to be taking these and get all my pills (at $5.00 a pop) from someone that gets them prescribed to him and does not take them himself. Basically I support him which in itself makes me ill, that I take that money from my family. But when my body and mind start the w/d's I will search this guy down and go to any lengths to get them, no matter how strong my resolve was to get off of them.
Today I only had one pill, and tonight I will have one more. That will leave me with one pill left- I am scared to death already.
I know what you mean about having them in your purse comforts you, the other day I thought my purse was stolen at the store and my first thought was "MY PILLS- take everything else in there but not my pills".. I stuff cotten in the top of the bottle so if my husband moves my purse around it will not make that pill jangle noise.
Thanks again.

good for you babe...im glad you finally got this out in the open, b/c it seemed like the guilt was getting to you really bad. please at least talk to someone (a professional) if possible. maybe you could get a doc to prescribe some xanax or something for anxiety...that really helped my friend and i quit too once, and it calmed me down. even though im prescribed these meds, i go through the same physical w/d you have when i go w/out my pills. maybe your husband was in a bit of denial (can u blame him) and thats why he never called you on this, it sounds like hes very hurt, but still there for you. its hard right now and you know that from before (and that makes it worse, i think). if you need to talk, email me at roimullet@yahoo.com, i am on the computer just about all day every day if you need a friend! hang in there and try to stay positive. remember this is a good thing even though you may not think that for awhile. you may also want to try the soberrecovery forums, there is a forum for narcotic/pill addictions and everyone is very supportive there as well. but like i said, im here, and if you need anything,like just saying how bad you feel or whatever, just let me know!

[Mazy]

I am also addicted to painkillers.
I have been taking them for over 5 years and I have developed an incredible tolerance.
It started with chronic back pain, which was treated with painkillers, and you probably know the rest. There have been times over the past 5 years that started to go through withdrawals and this is worse than any pain I have ever experienced (not to mention the long term side effects). I know I will have to pay the piper for what I have done to myself, but I simply cannot go through that again. Inpatient treatment is not an option either. I know the value of 12-Step groups and am willing to do whatever it takes, but I've got to get clean before first, and going through withdrawals is not an option. Isn't there a humane way to stop this insanity?

[Mom O Rama]

Mazy,

You just took a big step towards recovery - admitting you are powerless over your addiction. Honey, you don't have to be clean when you enter the rooms. You just have to get there. Find a strong women's meeting in your area. Show up, introduce yourself, and tell the group that you are seeking a sponsor. That's what I love about the program. The compassion comes in cascades. You will meet women who can save your life. You just have to do the footwork.

There are meetings specific for pills, as well. You can find their listing at groups.msn.com/pillsanonymous.

I'll be praying for you Sweetie.

~ your sister in hope, light and peace

[razztazz]

This is my second post. In my first post I asked if anyone had experienced severe mid back pain and breathing difficulty from withdrawls, but I didn't get a response. This time I am posting because I can't believe that a site like this would post an advertisement for purchasing narcotics on line (see bottom of page 24 of this forum!!! Is this site for real, or is it just a sneaky way for people who are addicted to make contact for possible suppliers?

[robert327]

quote:Originally posted by razztazz

This is my second post. In my first post I asked if anyone had experienced severe mid back pain and breathing difficulty from withdrawls, but I didn't get a response. This time I am posting because I can't believe that a site like this would post an advertisement for purchasing narcotics on line (see bottom of page 24 of this forum!!! Is this site for real, or is it just a sneaky way for people who are addicted to make contact for possible suppliers?

bob i think your possibly right about this site having some issues??? but their is many people incuding my self that need some help... i never had those syptoms when i was withdrawing get it checked. good luck.

[Mom O Rama]

quote:Originally posted by robert327

bob i think your possibly right about this site having some issues??? but their is many people incuding my self that need some help... i never had those syptoms when i was withdrawing get it checked. good luck.

~ your sister in hope, light and peace

[Mom O Rama]

quote:Originally posted by robert327

bob i think your possibly right about this site having some issues??? but their is many people incuding my self that need some help... i never had those syptoms when i was withdrawing get it checked. good luck.

Robert,

I never had your described symptoms, either. I'd check with a doctor.
Site has some issues...I guess it's the most we could expect of a site called drugs.com...that's why I like groups.msn.com/pillsanonymous - pure support. And plenty of experience on the withdrawals. You may want to check it out.

I'll pray for you, though!

~ your sister in hope, light and peace

[clayzy]

I posted a few weeks back about becoming addicted to my husbands Hydrocodone..I had been taking them for severe migraine pain(he had them for his back problem)...I was up to almost 10 pills a day and then finally told everyone a few weeks back,including my doc..He prescibed a bottle of 30 more pills to ween me off..I had been trying to stop cold turkey and it was a nightmare..Well the weening process was helping a little bit,I even went for 12 hours before taking another pill..But the cravings are still there and Im taking hubbys pills again..But no more than 3 a day and I wait at least 6 hours between pills...I know I shouldnt be doing it,but I start to get panicked and shaky if I dont....I dont want to go through the withdrawl again,but if I keep taking the pills,Im just delaying the inevitable..I just dont know what to do..I thought I could do this,but now im not so sure.

[SonOfThunder]

Hi everyone,
Just my first post, and hope i can begin getting help from you, my fellow withdrawerers. I have been really hammering the hydro's, up to over 15 a day. It is crazzy that a bottle of 90 disappears so quickly!
I am seriously interested in talking w/my last face to face doctor, who last prescribed me some hydro, and seeing if he'll get me on a regimen of meds to reduce the WD symptoms. I plan on telling him I don't want anything w/ narcotics. I don't think he'll prescribe any more hydro's anyway. The other choice is to follow that link for the Suboxenes, and try them, but it sounds SO EXPENSIVE, and I have no insurance! ANY SUGGESTIONS on how to go about this?
I need to be able to work and function, as I'm a single working dad w/ two young kids.
I'm down to only 10 hydro's left, and know it's going to be gone soon. My dentist gave me some Tramadol the other day, I had a chipped tooth, when I was out of hydro's.... I went two whole days w. only Tramdadol, and it was like "WOW" no WD's... I would love to switch over to the Tramadols, and then wean off those slowly... I KNOW they are also addictiive,... but my MAIN concern now is to get myself off the TYLENOL,... I only have a few Tramadol's left. My dentist might refill them. I HOPE HE WILL!!
I am so ready to quit. I know I can do it. I have vitamins. I will ask a doctor for sleep meds. I will need something to help me through, since I am so far along.... It will surely be hell unless I do it right. PRAY for ME guys and gals.
I REALLY APRRECIATE THIS SITE< yu all are my folks now... I have just found a family to help me along the way/.... there is no one i can share this problem with, and therefore no support, so U KNOW I AM THANKFUL... if you want, send me something to see me through the process at my home e-mail (it would be easier) at pritchj@talogatv.com THANKS YALL



Mazy,

You just took a big step towards recovery - admitting you are powerless over your addiction. Honey, you don't have to be clean when you enter the rooms. You just have to get there. Find a strong women's meeting in your area. Show up, introduce yourself, and tell the group that you are seeking a sponsor. That's what I love about the program. The compassion comes in cascades. You will meet women who can save your life. You just have to do the footwork.

There are meetings specific for pills, as well. You can find their listing at groups.msn.com/pillsanonymous.

I'll be praying for you Sweetie.

~ your sister in hope, light and peace
[/quote]

John Pritchett

[sfc420]

hey i havent posted in a while, probably because i have been off living my life at 80 miles an hour with no brakes or headlights....


I just moved down to San Diego. I'm 18, fresh out of high school in the san francisco area where oxycontin runs rampant. i wasnt going to do oxys down here, but the moment i got down here, they were here as well. i dont have many friends, my only good one just moved home for a while to get clean, and the rest would really either be acquaintances - my pot dealer, my brothers girlfriend, and my coworkers. I'm working fulltime at a hotel where you have to stand all day, and though im young, my back hurts ridiculously when i work.

Oxycontin is not as much my problem as pain killers in general - i have to go to TJ to get oxy, and pay 50 dollars for an 80. i love it above all else (despite knowing what it does to me), although when i cant get it i have a constant hook for norcos (325/7.5s of hydrocodone).... that guy charges me 5 dollars a pill, and now im broke and hes gone on vacation, so even if i wanted them i couldnt get them.

i have a doctor who has left me with some refills of vicodin and valium, which im getting in the habit of clock watching so that i can get my refill after blowing a whole bottle of extra strengths - and this is the thing!:

it only takes 2 extra strengths to cure my pain - it takes 3 or 4 to PLEASE me. i smoke pot and i dont drink, but my brother does - as a matter of fact he is a raging alcoholic. he drinks all day an all night, so all the time i have a half retarded excuse for a brother who lies, steals from me, and, on occasion, beats the hell out of me.


so how do i deal with it? how do i handle going to work after waking up at 2:30 in the morning to a screaming brother whos given me a welt on the side of my face and pulled my shoulder out? how do i handle being all by myself, alone, and having nothing but work to fall back on? i had those pills, and now i dont.


i want to quit so bad, and half of me just cant wait for july 3rd so that i can get my refill. im crying as i write this cuz i cant get my life together, i know that i have to work all day and fake this happy face, but the WDs are hitting me so hard its amazing..... im sorry i rambled... at my age i just dont see a way out

[lisa11]

[font=Comic Sans MS][font=Verdana][font=Arial]Hello to all here. I am writing because I want to let all of you know of a fairly new treatment for vicodin (Hydro, Lortab) addiction called buprenorphrine, or subutex.
It works. I took Lortab 10/750 for about 3 years and I was up to 6-7 pills a day. My boyfriend was taking 10-15 a day. Our life revolved around getting those damn pills. Who was next to go to the Doctor? Do we have enough to last through the weekend? What bill can we put off so we can get more pills? We were miserable.
I read about Subutex on the internet and was very skeptical. But I went last October to a Doctor who could prescribe it and it was like a miracle. I could even be in the same room with the pills (my boyfriend was not ready to quit)and not want them. It took away the nausea, shaking, sweating, sleeplessness,diarrhea, hopelessness, all associated with detoxing. In short, it was a miracle to me. By the way I was also mixing those Lortab with Xanax, and Soma. It took care of everything.
Fast forward 4 months and I had a root canal. Relapsed and everyone knows the story.
Finally 3 weeks ago, my boyfriend and I got so sick of losing everything to get pills. We went to the doctor and got Buprenorphrine (Subutex). I was wondering if it would work as well for him as it had for me and if it would be so easy to quit again.
Indeed...I think it is biggest breakthough for addiction this century. And you don't get high off of it , so you dont' get hooked on it such as the case with Methadone.
But be careful, like I said it was so easy to quit that I relapsed. Don't be dumb. You can never touch hydrocodone (hydro) again once you quit .
Subutex comes in 2mg. and 8 mg. . You have to find a doctor that can prescribe it since the doctor must take classes and be DEA spproved. Then they limit doctors to 30 patients on the drug at a time. And it is fairly expensive. But don't use money as an excuse. You could always s********************e together money to get the Lortab when you had to, didn't you? Anyway, it is so worth the red tape. Good luck to all. May you never have to look at a near empty bottle of hydro and wonder where your next score will come from. And fearing the withdrawal symptoms that are to come.
Oh, and do not be fooled... you cannot buy Subutex on the internet. Look closely, those are 0.2mg that they sell on the net. You would have to take 10 just to equal one 2mg. And it dissolves under your tongue. So, get on the net or call around until you find a Doctor who can prescribe this to you. Be persistant because as I said it is not mainstream yet. But it will change your life.

[lisa11]

Please read my post on page 25 on Buprenorphrine also called Subutex.
This little drug does wonders. It takes away all the withdrawals without making the user feel high.
It was a miracle for me.

[Mom O Rama]

quote:Originally posted by sfc420

hey i havent posted in a while, probably because i have been off living my life at 80 miles an hour with no brakes or headlights....


I just moved down to San Diego. I'm 18, fresh out of high school in the san francisco area where oxycontin runs rampant. i wasnt going to do oxys down here, but the moment i got down here, they were here as well. i dont have many friends, my only good one just moved home for a while to get clean, and the rest would really either be acquaintances - my pot dealer, my brothers girlfriend, and my coworkers. I'm working fulltime at a hotel where you have to stand all day, and though im young, my back hurts ridiculously when i work.

Oxycontin is not as much my problem as pain killers in general - i have to go to TJ to get oxy, and pay 50 dollars for an 80. i love it above all else (despite knowing what it does to me), although when i cant get it i have a constant hook for norcos (325/7.5s of hydrocodone).... that guy charges me 5 dollars a pill, and now im broke and hes gone on vacation, so even if i wanted them i couldnt get them.

i have a doctor who has left me with some refills of vicodin and valium, which im getting in the habit of clock watching so that i can get my refill after blowing a whole bottle of extra strengths - and this is the thing!:

it only takes 2 extra strengths to cure my pain - it takes 3 or 4 to PLEASE me. i smoke pot and i dont drink, but my brother does - as a matter of fact he is a raging alcoholic. he drinks all day an all night, so all the time i have a half retarded excuse for a brother who lies, steals from me, and, on occasion, beats the hell out of me.


so how do i deal with it? how do i handle going to work after waking up at 2:30 in the morning to a screaming brother whos given me a welt on the side of my face and pulled my shoulder out? how do i handle being all by myself, alone, and having nothing but work to fall back on? i had those pills, and now i dont.


i want to quit so bad, and half of me just cant wait for july 3rd so that i can get my refill. im crying as i write this cuz i cant get my life together, i know that i have to work all day and fake this happy face, but the WDs are hitting me so hard its amazing..... im sorry i rambled... at my age i just dont see a way out

Hello my friend & new neighbor[8D]

I live in North San Diego County (Oceanside/Vista area) and I'm always so glad to hear from a newbie.

How would you like to get together at a meeting? Remember - I was just like you, except that it was 3 years ago, and I had OD'd and hit my head, and nearly died.

I'd love to take you to my favorite meeting in San Diego, it was my original home group, and there are some GREAT people there.

Please let me know what you think~

Lady Di,

~ your sister in hope, light and peace

[sfc420]

its good to see i have someone in san diego who can help me because i am at a loss... i cant stop doing these pills and i cant find help anywhere. i live in pacific beach and dont have a car, so i cant get all the way to scripps just to but put into treatment, plus im young and i dont want my family to find out... how can i get help in PB?

[bobl101]

Hey Lisa11, I havent posted for a while but I came back on today to see if any of my old friends were on. "No sign of them", while I was reading I was also thinking, "Didn't anybody read what I submitted about the Suboxone/Subutex!!!!!" I posted info about this drug a couple of times and it seems everyone ignores it , yet everyone wants to be clean. I you look back you will see that my 10yr problem was soaring by the time I found this site, and this is where I heard about Suboxone. I am so glad to hear someone else actually tried it. Me and my husband are doing Great, no w/d EVER, NO cravings. Nothing. We are also saving $500 a week. He just bought a Harley and didnt have to worry if we would have 4-5 hundred this week to keep us both satisfied. PLEASE PEOPLE TRY THIS DRUG. IT IS A LIFE SAVER!!!! If you want to get clean, here is your answer, and with no pain whatsoever. You will get your life back and quickly. Go to www.suboxone.com and find a Dr. in your area. There is hope. If I did it ANYBODY can. Trust me.
Good luck to you all,
Bobl

[Mom O Rama]

quote:Originally posted by sfc420

its good to see i have someone in san diego who can help me because i am at a loss... i cant stop doing these pills and i cant find help anywhere. i live in pacific beach and dont have a car, so i cant get all the way to scripps just to but put into treatment, plus im young and i dont want my family to find out... how can i get help in PB?

[8D]

Kyle, my new friend,

Let's change that. "Good to see I have someone in SD who can help me. I CAN stop doing these pills. I live in PB, and there are a LOT Of great meetings here. I can catch a ride to Scripps. I badly need to talk to James at the McDonald center. I'm young, as are most pill addicts. Help is available, and I'm going to reach out for it."

Call the Scripps McDonald Center and ask to speak to James Profit. Tell him I sent you - Diana R., from Oceanside. Tell James what's on your heart. He saved my life. I AM FREE! Free from chasing the next Rx, calling in my own Rx's, borrowing and begging from friends, switching docs - etc., etc., etc.

Remember - you are just like me - if I, PillZilla, could do it, SO CAN YOU!!!

Love and prayers for you!

Hope to catch up with you soon.

~ your sister in hope, light and peace

[JesterX]

well back in february i quit for 5 days, and then someone at work offered me a Vicadon. I was still wanting them mentally so i took it like an idiot and wanted to shoot myself for it, cuz i started stealing from my **** stash again. I quit again in April, until someone gave me a whole bottle after a tooth ache. Aprild i made it 2 days and literally almost killed myself. It woulldnt be so bad if it wasnt for the leg syndrome. That makes me wanna shoot myself. I hate it its like nails being drove through ur bones all over. I just want my legs to quit hurting, i took for Darvocets tonight to relieve some of the pain and it did, and I immeditely started sweating instead of having flashes, which is much better and though I can feel the leg pain, its not as bad, this time was the third and last time i will try to quit, Pills will kill me one day, but then something magical happened like God, and i was telling a guy here at werk about the leg syndrome, cuz i am very out spoken about my addiction. He said he's got something for that, and he gave me three Xanax, so now I am planning on taking one Xanax a day when i get suicidal and hopefully it will relieve the nervousness and hurtful ness in my legs, i was want someone to help me, to care, i live in a city with 12000 people and we dont have no big town around so i neever find no rehab centers. Maybe there is someone wanting me to quit who is willing to stay by myside and lemme squeeze the hell out of there hand when the pains unbearable. I want a freind girl or boy, to be here with and NOONE is, and i work at a place to where i can't call in an take days off, they rely on me and so its so hard to work, and sit here in a weigh station and now thing about pain, pain, pain......boy those darvocets hit the spot, they feel greta, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH.....8 months on Oxycodones, and I am some kinda freek of nature. Im scared, but when i was sitting at my desk today werking on my music with another memeber in my rap group, i felt ok, cuz he was sittin there, but when he left i almost passed out. What will I do when these darvocets where off and I have nothing again...Ill killl myselff prolly.

If you belive in you heart you can, than you shall succeed

[JesterX]

i guess i will ask every 1 i see 2night here at werk, if they have one, so i dont need to panic, ok....uh frist i will call Barge Terminal!!!

If you belive in you heart you can, than you shall succeed

[Anarchy101]

I have detoxed off of just about every known opiate based painkiller on the market and they all have one thing in common. When you quit cold or do a gradual detox there is a dramatic increase in your blood pressure, that is the root of a lot of the physical withdrawal sympotms. I never tell people what to do but what has worked for me before finally getting clean has been Chlonodine .1 mg and Diazapam 10 mg. If you have an addictive personality like I do then I found someone to hold onto the Diazapam and only give them to me as the Doctor prescribed. I also purchased a peronal blood pressure machine to monitor my blood pressure, making sure that it never got to low. This combination even worked reasonably well when I quit 75mg of Methadone, cold. For sleep there is a medication called Trazadone, it is not addictive but it does help people sleep who are in withdrawal. If you get diarreah, which often come with opiate witdrawl, I took Imodium AD, it seems to be the best over the counter medication for this particularly uncomfortable symptom. I have found that there are many Physicians who are sympathetic enough to the plight of an opiate addict in detox to at least prescribe these three medications for a short period of time. I also would never take any of these medications without consulting with a physician first. If you have to take other meds then these may have an adverse reaction. Basically I just put my life in the hands of the Doctor and did what she told me to do and it worked. I have experienced the sweats, skin crwaling off my bone, goosepimples, hot and cold spells, leg cramps, not being able to sleep and diarreah all of the wonderful dues that must be paid when quiting any opiate, so I empathize and sympathize with your plight. I was able to finaly quit completely when I asked for someone elses help and they obliged. May you go in peace.

[Trialia]

I guess I might not be crazy after all. Sometimes I don't take my prescribed dosage of Tylenol, even when I'm in a lot of pain, because I just.. don't want to get addicted to it. Is it actually possible to be addicted to that?

[zodiac]

Hello everybody. This is my second post here, I posted once before and told you of my troubles. The events that occured the past few days led me to quit completely. I am finally mentally ready to do it, and I have a few things to help me. I've got some Suboxone and another type of pill with naloxone in it, not sure of the name. They help so much with the withdrawals. I'll take a lorazepam or 2 to knock me out if I can't sleep. I'm on day 2 sober right now after using heroin everyday for the past 4 months. Amazingly I feel alright, because mentally I know that I want to and have to quit. Too much money wasted, and I'm tired of feeling like **** all the time. Anyway I hope I survive the next few days since they will be the worst part of it. Wish me luck, I'll need it.

Tim

[mpvt]

Way to go Zodiac.It's not easy giving up a drug that your addicted to.Keep up the good work,after about 2 weeks you should start to feel your energy coming back.The suboxone is a good idea.......Dave

Finally my pain is under control!!!!!!!

[zodiac]

Hi, It's me Zodiac (real name Tim) here again. I'm be keeping you readers up to date on my detox process. I just woke up and it is now day 3, and I'm feeling completely fine. Last night I had slight anxiety and restlessness in my legs and feet. I took a few lorazepams and a suboxone later on and I was knocked out for the night. I slept for 8 or 9 hours which is a good thing. The detoxing process so far has been painless for the most part. Now that I'm up to day 3 I have a feeling of accomplishment, that I can last a full week. My goal is to reach the day where I no longer need Suboxone for my withdrawals and lorazepams or ambiens to sleep at night. I know that time is not too far in the future either...
Thanks for reading and good luck to my fellow withdrawers. I wish you luck.

Tim

[mpvt]

Hang in there Tim,your doing great.....Dave

Finally my pain is under control!!!!!!!

[Simara12]

I just wanted to tell you that when I quit I also have a hard time breathing, it is almost like getting past a point where you get a big breathe and I started yawning to try and get it and end up gagging myself... I believe this is anxiety. My heart also thumps and beats like crazy. I don't know if this is what you are experiencing but I think everyone has different withdrawal symptons to a degree.

quote:Originally posted by razztazz

This is my second post. In my first post I asked if anyone had experienced severe mid back pain and breathing difficulty from withdrawls, but I didn't get a response. This time I am posting because I can't believe that a site like this would post an advertisement for purchasing narcotics on line (see bottom of page 24 of this forum!!! Is this site for real, or is it just a sneaky way for people who are addicted to make contact for possible suppliers?

[lisa11]

Hi Bobl101,
I understand your frustration. Maybe they haven't read all the threads. So glad to hear you got off the pills. I feel so much better... like a fog has cleared. It is so nice not to be a slave to a pill.
All I can say is that Buprenorphine (Subutex) has been a miracle for me. I have not met a person yet who used it and had any withdrawals or discomfort.
Maybe if they understood how it works...Subutex blocks the receptor sites on cells that normally would be used by the pain pills. In this sense it blocks the receptors and you have no cravings. Since the receptor sites are being "fed" by the Subutex there are no withdrawals. You do not feel high so there is no chance of becoming physically dependent on the Subutex. If this stuff can work for heroin addicts,it can work for you.
I even came across a stash of Lortab(about 20) I had hidden today. Normally that would have been a lifesaver but today I just calmly flushed them. I wouldn't even think of selling them...those "green beans" are the devil in disguise.
You are right...anybody who "REALLY" wants to quit would try Subutex. The "it's too expensive" excuse does not hold water with me. If you have money to buy Lortab, you have money to buy Subutex.

[chernoble]

[chernoble]

I have been taking tramadol for the past two to three years. I haven't taken any since last week and the withdrawal symptoms are okay to deal with except for one. I haven't slept in 5 days and its really starting to make me a little crazy. Does anyone have a suggestion that might help me bring on sleep.

[hollywogger]

Lisa11~

I just wanted to say a little something. I believe your quote from your post was,

"You do not feel high so there is no chance of becoming physically dependent on the Subutex."

I think that those of you who are thinking of going on Subutex or Suboxone should do a search at the home page of this website. Look up Subutex and read the information. To say there in "no chance of becoming pysically dependant" is not the case. It can be abused just like anything else. It is opiate based. I'm not saying that it doesn't work, I've seen it work. But to put out information like that is misleading. Especially this last part of your post:

"Anybody who "REALLY" wants to quit would try Subutex,"

I really wanted to quit. I had the desire. And I have been clean for quite some time now. There are always options.

[AxAxAx]

Hi I'm Jon, I can't believe I found this site, Im just like everyone else, it's like you are talking about me.. I'm 25 in FLA from NY and have been taking Pain Meds for about 5 yrs now alittle more maybee.. For about 3 1/2 yrs it was just Hydrocodone 10 Lortab and Percs,bu then I got cut off and sent to Pain Mgmt and there went the ups from 60 to 90 to 200 Lortab then to Norco,then Roxicodone.. I didn't see any posts on roxi but it's like oxycontin but no time release and no tylenol .. Now I take 4 30 Mg tabs a day,and I can't get off it! The Vicodin was never really that bad withdrawal from it was Diarea and cramps/Insomnia but I just ran out or roxi and I wanted to Kill Myself, it was pure hell! I was thinking of going to a Methadone Clinic,but should I? I donno, I usto go out all the time now I stay in all the time and just take pills, I have no motivation,my life is falling apart any advice ? I usto be well dressed cute, girls after me now I'm a bum.. I can't deal without the pills, I love that fealing of well bieng happy ya know,but it isnt fun anymore,and getting real expensive..My friend goes to the methadone clinic and he loves it,he was on pills too and swears by it for the last 8 months and works like 80 hrs a week..I mean florida is a loose state with pain meds,everyone gives them out,they even have a law where doctors can't get in trouble for giving them out.. I'm originally from NY and there was the complete opposite,you couldnt even get a 5 mg vike script so tough, I thought about moving back so I couldn't get access to any meds well except vikes.. Vicodin is nothing compared to roxicodone or Oxycontin.. If you are on vicodin get off before you move up to the strong stuff.. Well I finally got my meds today so I'm ok for now,but next month I'll be in the same prediciment! I heard about Subaxtone,but I have no insurance and have no clue how to get it.. Well if anyone has any advice or lives close or something give me a email : xxaprilsfinestxx@aol.com my name is Jon,thanks guys,take care~!

John