[GotDaMotts]

Lisa Girl, thanks for the concern. My main reason is because I have seen how the level of addiction skyrockets with the Roxi's. I don't want to go there. If I get them I'll do what I have to I guess. Yes, it was the liver issue, however I was on 325 APAP so I figured it was better than the Lorts that were 650mg. Anyway, day 2 without and I am only really struggling with backpain, oh and my stomach feels a bit weird and I am tired...can't stop yawning, don't you hate that? I'll probably score today, but I feel better because I weened off before the well dried so I am not doing too bad...herniated discs suck! Cheers, thanks for the reply....

Motts

My God, It's full of Stars

[nymommy]

gville~~~we all love the opiate high!!..i ,like you got "chatty" loved socializing..life was great, but that feeling was all of 20 mins...you will be chasing that feeling w/o end if you dont stop...sounds like you have the means to continue the expense of it all...for me that was one of the reasons i stopped,,but the primary reason was ..my life was a lie...my great social skills, a lie..my happy moods..a lie...my boundless energy..a lie as well.. i wanted my real life back..and knew i couldnt go on like that...i hope you make the same decision!..good luck

[LISA GIRL]

quote:Originally posted by abey042000

Well, with all that being said........

Good Luck to u Mort! M'done will only bring u long-term probs, that's all I was trying to say but beings ur mind is still clouded by opiates, none of u will understand where I'm coming from. BTW, I am 90 days clean! Congrats to me!

You really are too much...

[LISA GIRL]

GTM...Totally understand where you are coming from. When I was taking percocet, my source offered me Oxys... I had heard they were much more powerful in many ways than the percs but I was scared to go down that road. I would have rathered increase my perc dosage as was inevitable than go to a stronger pill. It scared me. Glad you are getting thru it today albeit in some pain.

Gville.. In answer to your question.. how long does it take? It varies with the individual. I am off the percs almost two months and still feel a void..some days it is worse than others. I am getting better socially. I mean, we all lived YEARS without the help of pills in social situations. Somehow we convince ourselves that they are necessary, but they are not. Fun yes, but necessary, no. There are many pros to the pain pills especially when you have legitimate PAIN. It is when the cons outweigh those pros that it becomes time to make that decision. And only you can do that. I am confident you will make the right one when the time comes.

[cranky]

Hey LisaGirl, everyone...Cranky here. I'm still hovering, haven't been much of a success story, so I haven't posted, but I'm still trying. I'll make it one of these times. Right now I'm 2 days off hydros, using Kratom to mask the WD symptoms. As always, it works like magic - the only drawback is my lack of willpower once my Rx is refilled. I'm glad to see everyone is doing so well. Just thought I'd check in.

[bigbopper]

Thanks y'all for the input. I so much appreciate your support in a world where the "war on drugs" has precipitated the repressive attitudes that have forced so many of us to seekk assistance from online pharmacies etc. Let me elicidate a little and clarify mt situation. My pain is actually lower left abdomen and to some extent scrotal and testicular...kinda like the same as a hernia and/orr recovering from the hernia-type surgeries. In 1985 I developed a misdiagnosed colon problem which I am still not sure how to call or quantify. It caused me in may 1986 to have what I cvall "p[aramedic cramps" IE if you could reach the phone..you would call the medica. Why? I don't even know but they were that bad. I felt a "POP" and voila....there it was the burning, gnawing, stinging "whatever you want to call it" pain eradiating along anmd outward from the spermatic cord, the I/Ing and Ilio hypogastric plexi. I, knew no better that to TRUST the medical profession and began a confusing series of tests referrals and generla " milk the insurance conmpoany types of treatments". I finally got put on a "pain Management regimen in October 1986. The 3 t-3s I took aday worked ok.Then it got to where I wapould run out before the month was over. I also learned that to be honest could get you cut off as far as meds were concerned. Over-reaction of course. I also learned that people would feak out if they found out that you were "on drugs"> I also learned that if you want to be productive and make a living that you will find a way. The 1`sdt surgery 12/31/87 did not cure the problem and than the ( asd I later found out) scar tissue entrapped the nerves and from there it took 5 years to get the lying surgeon to go back and fix the scar tissue that crushed the I/I, I/H nerves and lymph nodes in the area. It helped but I was left with higher Opioid tolerance. 5 years later I pushed a lawn mower up a bank in my yard and boing! ...."it's back"....after a years of seriously getting bounced around from golf partner to golf partner..and asking the latest Doc for meds since I had seen one a week or 2 before...and are you ready for this? "WEll I CAN GIVE YOU A FEW MORE"...my insurance sent me to a Pain Management Clinic...I never knew that such things existed. Well I got set up after waiting 6 weeks and working evry day in pain and w/o meds.The colon problems stayed righ there with me and came back worse w/o meds to keep them quiet. Fiunnally I got there and got set up on meds. The combined pain of the cramps and the nerves made for a very volatile situation with the cramps affecting the scar pulling on it to the point that it aggravated the pain extremely.I was wondering if i was going/had gone insane and finally figured out the big picture. Had a nerve block of the surgically exposed nerve in 1999 and resection of the nerves in 2002. The solar and/or epigastric plexi were interacting with the nerves that were trapped and exacerbating the pain. I had cramps of the abdominal muscles and the colon muscles at the same time..ask 100 health care professionals and get 99 +1 different answersas to whether or not that can happen or not....lotsa luck with that one...well tolerance issue sprnag up ...surprise!!! and I had to turn to online pharmacies to help and that got too much and they are often less that perfectly dependable as far as getting it to you on time so when I had tried to get the pain management Doc to increase my dosage he didn't want to so I left that topic alone lest he possibly freak outy and cut me off as a patient which would not help. I tried to come opff the m,eds too soon after the 2002 surgery and really couldn't so I am not sure if the pain is as bad as it was cause after the nightmare I Lived with thru all those years I didn't want to go thru it again. I went thru WD so many time cause i would run out every month. After the 1st surgery the Doc in 1988 ( My then GP who I later found had lied to me over and over) I told him that I may have trapped nerves and he put me on 30 t-3s a day then 40 so th pain was the same but I ended up with 1.33 pills aday after having 3 a day and they ended up not being enough so 1.33 certainly were not so I went to a l;ocal "sorta fly by night" Doc and got 20 + 20 T-3s to make up the difference..in 1988 that is./ I tend to take too many compulsivly and how do you get help?Run around run around run around+ everybody freaks out./If that isa nopt enough my wife who developed hep C from a hosdpital needle stick ( found out 1/2001) began to have mental difficulties and with her weight, her Hep c began to walk around the house wailing to GOD and freaking out all the time and nothjing I could do helped.Marriage date 1981. WShe coud not find anything to blasme me foe to reduce her stigma/guilt so she decided that i was the problem with my meds and files for divorce.Thsi same woman I stodd by theru 350+ lbs anmd everything and she goes to a ain cllinic cause of her back/neck cause by her horrendous weight problem.She decided that i was her problema tho' I asked her to asist me in cutting down my dosages..she just shreiked "OH MY GOD YPOU'RE ON DRUGS......bear in mind that she knew this since 1986 and always had her hand out when I offered her MY meds when she was in pain..always/..prior to her getting set up in a b clinic 1`0 onths or so ago.It took her 6 months til she got sjhe got the first dose. Her behavior has been errratic and she lied and told a judger that I WAS GONNAS KILL HER AND BURN THE HOUSE DOWN.I HAVEN'T SPOKEN a word to her since august cause I can't; after 25 years I am gonna kioll her? after everybody knows what i have been thru trying to help her. support her and worrying how i would feed her when she can no longer work etc? Hoew much stress does it take to boost one's paim too high?. I have never been a threat as far as harming her bu i live i the basement of OUR house and can't even go upstairs to use the washing machine. I can no longer trust her. I can not trust anybody it seems and I already learned NOT to trust mnost (read that almost every-damned-one) as regards to Doctors. So here i sit worrying about unrerliable service from Oline pharmacies and worrying myself to death thjat I will run out of meds especialy due to the underlying cause of all my pain-the cramps_ so I absolutely do not want to risk that cause i don't know how bad it could get.There is a point at which those kind of cramps can be life threatening and OK but it ain;t instantaneous so i don't want to risk it.+ I have a non-palpable hernai on ther right that i yet untreatable or even diagnoable and I got in about 1990 -1991a nice brand spanking new hiatal hernia ...yes you guessed it because of the cramps...so CT WD is not an option. I think maybe the pain is not so bad anymoree but it is obvious that I can't manage my dosages by myself anymore( sound familiar)? And if i can get along without it i would like to try to stop but after 2 years since I have run out and had any WD to speak of i know how bbad it wopuld be.Add to this that everyon want to be a soldirer in the drug war and oit makes it hard to find help....everybody whop uses drug does not do so out of moral turpitude or a lack of character but when you ask to increase your dosages you better be carefgul cause the doc may freak and decide to take you off meds.The surgeon from 2002 putr me on less ( acvtuially 1/2 the dose) after surgery and i could not belioeve it....took the bereakthru shot after 18 hours and 1/2 the meds that I took after the surgery.....let that soak in....I am so glad I didn';t trust hoim and too kextra meds in my baggage to the hospital cause idon't know what would have happened if I hadn't....then tries to pull me off of it a week after that rather serious and extensive surgery.So I have been looking into Sub for 2-3 months with no prospect whatsoever " give us your name and we will call you when Doc ___ starts actually doing the program. I have called a dozen different office as late a FRi and got no prospects whatsoever.Ct is not an option for me, cutting down the dosages by myself isn't either...I remain without much hope for the medicval profeesion to assist me. But I fell good that soome old lady oin Peoria isn't taking an extra pain pill due to the efforts of the AMA to control the uncontrollable, by the same token kids are still chewing up 80 mg Oxycontins and washing them down with a beer at partiesa all over the country. What a wonderful world huh? Should I be more candid in expressing myself?

[sparky]

wow don't know where to start...speechless...sorry

[LISA GIRL]

CRANKY! Glad you popped in!...Glad you are still here lurking and don't worry about being a success story. Still want you here posting. We can all learn from each other, no matter what stage of the game we are in.

Bigbopper.. did you try the suboxone website? You can find a list of docs in your area who all should be currently administering the sub. Will cut out your need for cold calling. Each doctor can only take on 30 patients at a time however, so you still might have to make a few calls before you find one that has an opening..

Everyone else!....Hope all is well. . It's been pretty quiet around here lately. Don't make me talk to myself...although I've been known to... Have a craving and pain free night!

Lisa.

PATMOMMA>>>>>WHERE R U??????

[cranky]

Thanks Lisa - I figure, each time I get back on that horse, I'm a little closer. I bought some new type of Kratom, and I feel completely great, here it is day 3 without Norcos (I was taking 100-170 mg daily) and I feel perfectly good; energetic. Still, the longing is pretty strong - I know my Rx will be refilled soon. I can resist anything except temptation, as the old saw goes. But, it's inspiring to see everyone else doing so well!

[LISA GIRL]

Cranky... yeah it's a battle for sure... whether you are using or clean. If you have been reading my posts you know I am still struggling with cravings periodically but not near as much as I was. I have to get over the mental addiction before I work on getting off the sub....so many things I associate with taking pills but it is 100 x better than it was 6 weeks ago. I totally understand that "honeymoon phase" they talk about with the sub. Seems like it is instantly easy, then harder than slowly gets easier again. I just have to make the decision...day after day...one day at a time. Today no percocet. You really never feel completely safe though.. it's just like one day...one bad day....one pill....it could start all over. I have my 3rd appointment with the sub doctor Thursday. I think he would keep me on these things forever if I wanted. In fact he offered that as a viable option. I don't want to be on them forever, but feel no rush to get off. I'm thinking 6 months tops then begin the taper... With my insurance, the sub and the appointments cost me about $100 per month. No where near what I was paying for the percs. I have begun taking ambien every night to sleep. Hope that is not causing an issue. My doc said we would deal with that when the time comes--right now it is important for me to be able to sleep. Anyway, glad to see you back! Wondering where all the ol' gang is.. Are you able to sleep ok on the kratom? Speaking of...guess it's that time for me!

[gqblu]

Lisa Girl,

My experience on ambien after 3+ years of continual use. Not a big deal for me to quit in comparison to hydros. Only side affect from quitting was the inability to sleep. It was fine after about 3 days.

Some caveats on the use of ambien though. Ambien has been covered in the media quite a bit as it is an efficient, strong, and habit forming (different from addictive) hypnotic/sedative that has caused many famous people a chance to get in the news (i.e. Pat Kennedy, et al). Especially when mixed with alcohol, the sedative effects of ambien can be powerful. Now this is of little concern if you fall asleep fast after taking the drug, but can be a problem causer if you continue to be awake while in the sedated hypnotic/sedated state. The most common thing for people to do is eat uncontrollably or perform things (i.e. sexual intercourse, driving, calling friends, surfing the internet, taking more ambien as they forgot that they have taken any) with no memory of doing it. Please take precautions to never operate a vehicle or heavy machinery (no harvesting wheat with the combine while sedated on ambien!) . Also, stay away from the phone and internet, chances are good you won't remember the conversation and your e-mails will be peppered with typos. My suggestion would be to get in bed within 30 minutes of taking the pill.

In some people, like alcohol, there can be some rebound (next day)symptoms from the short half life of the drug (2 hours).

Ambien is one of the top 20 most prescribed medicines in the USA. Many thanks to big pharma for their effective advertising campaign. At the same time many thanks to big pharma for producing an effective antidote to insomnia.

When you are ready do not be afraid to quit ambien. Not a big deal, don't stress to get more and don't stress to quit. Also remember it is not possible to get a physical tolerance to zolpidem (ambien) so do not increase your dose, it is not necessary and can lead to undesirable behavior.

Lisa Girl, as I am sure it is the case with other regulars on this thread, you are one of my favorite people here, and have been heartened by your progress. Keep posting and keep up the great work.

[gqblu]

Cranky,

Please keep coming back and continue to post. I (and others I'm sure) appreciate your input. This thread is a lifeline for many.

[divewithme]

been on the hydrocodone ride for about a year and a half. i basically capped out at about 5-6 750mg vicodin a day. tried a few times to wean off but was unsuccessful. a friend of mine introduced me to a morphine pill (dont know the name) and i ended up taking these for about a month. after running out of these, and expecting to go back on the vics, i realized my tolerance had been shot sky high. the vicodin did NOTHING to quell the withdrawals from this change. 2 weeks prior to running out of these devils i had made a suboxone appointment cuz i was sick of this rollercoaster ride and felt this behavior was starting to affect my life. so after 2 days of withdrawals i had my appt and got my sub prescrip.
after 1 8 mg pill i felt great. doc started me on 24 mgs and over 2 weeks i have tapered to 6 mgs (he doesnt know this - he wanted me on 32 mgs a day). i have felt fine the whole time till now as i try to go to 4 mgs. not too bad, but i feel it.
this whole experience has really freaked me out. the fact of having to even get on sub has really motivated me to not be dependent on addictive substances and ive been trying to be persistent on my getting off. is going from 6 to 0 gonna kick my toosh? what can i do to make this as smooth a transition as possible? i run a business sometimes 6 days a week and have enought sub to do any taper i might need to. any help would be soooo appreciated. thanks in advance!

[morticia]

hi Dive~ welcome to the group, i read your post and it seems to me that your tapering too fast maybe you should talk to your doc before you start to taper yourself i heard from others that are on sub it can be really trickey going from 32 mgs to 0 i know you want to get off but , if you do you have a better chance of relasping take it easy...how long have you been on sub?
my advice is maybe talking with your doc first to make sure your doing the right thing just tell him/her that you dont want to be on that high amount, im sure your doc can adjust your dose to where you want. good luck let us know how you make out , keep us posted.

Lisa~ how have you been? havent heard from anybody for a few days, i guess everyone has been busy doing their shopping, i havent even started mine yet oy! december is flying by i celebrate my 60 days next week that went quick i cant believe its been that long already, anyway so you go to your sub doc on thursday? let us know how you make out. is this a routine check up or is your doc gonna adjust your dose? good luck with your appt, im sure everything will go fine i wouldnt worry about the ambien thing my hubby was on it for a year and he said to our n.n.p. that he felt he didnt need it anymore, so he took him off it and he had no problems getting off i know everyone is individual (thats what makes us so unique) but your doc will probably cut you down slowly..when the time comes.

Tam~ how are you where have youve been? hope all is well hope to hear from you soon

Sparky~ how are you feeling these days? hows the sub working? i hope your doing ok. were you able to make it to a meeting yet? well, im sure once your ready you will with the holidays its hard especailly when you have to shop, decorate ect. i only go 2 times a week now cuz 4 times with the holidays makes it hard i know i should go more often because it is the holidays but im just too busy..this will be my first holiday season clean and im sooooooo nervous that i cant handle it [:0] well i guess time will tell. keep us posted let us know how you are doing.
[:I]


Clean Date:10/16/06

Just For Today

Luv N Hugs,
Clarkie

[LISA GIRL]

GGBLU! Thank you so mucb for the write up on ambien.. although I admit I am stressing gettng more..really the reason for my sub appt on Thursday. I still have plenty of sub but need to talk to him about the ambien script. I am not sure he thought I would be taking it EVERY night. I try to be conscious of when I take the ambien... only one story.. I was on the phone talking to someone and consciously having a conversation but dreaming at the same time.. It was really weird. I don't think I would ever drive or sleep eat but you never know! That Kennedy story kind of weirded me out. Just a good reminder to be careful. Thanks again for the info.. that helps a lot! I guess when I go off of it I just have to prepare for a few sleepless nights.. I just hate to lay there awake which is why I started the percs and the ambien in the first place. Are there any ambien lifers? What made you stop taking it after over 3 years of using it? Those otc pills.. pms etc just don't work for me. And they make me feel horrible the next morning!



DIVEWITHME... I had a sub doctor who wanted me at a higher level too... he thinks I am taking more than I am. I am currently on 4-6 mg per day. I don't understand why some doctors want you at a higher level of this drug than what is needed. I too will find a way to taper probably more quickly than what the doctor intends for me to do. I think if you are tapering from 6-0 you should probably just decrease by 1 mg per week or so. Take it slowly or it could really kick your butt from what I have read. Good Luck!

Morticia... Going shopping Friday. I did take myself shopping last week ..treated myself to some nice jewelry and a couple new sweaters... oh and new carpet *boring... lol....It's amazing how much extra money I have now that I have stopped with my "yellow friends."....

On a side note... are people nuts? I am in Denver... In Colorado Springs they found a baby girl with a blood alcohol content 4 x that of a legally drunk adult. What the hell? I guess the parents are claiming they accidently made the formula out of vodka thinking it was water. I really wonder about this world sometimes.... no wonder we all want to tone down reality with painkillers... Everyone have a great day!!

[nymommy]

divewithme~~~as someone who is currently tapering off the sub. maybe i can help answer your question..i was only on 4mgs a day ( doc also wanted me on higher dose)..past month i have weaned down to 1/2 a pill a day ..yea, you feel something..for me its fatigue, heavy legged, just sorta draggin my ass...also slight depression..past 3 days have been better...it can be done...but for me the "wanting" of something is there...not the vicodens specically, just "something"..so that is my biggest challenge!..it gets better..so hang in there...just go slowly, jumping off too fast can no doubt, make you feel lousy.....good luck

[sparky]

Hi...have been on sub now about a week...the doc put on the script 1 8mg per 12 hours....so I was taking 4 mg in the morning and found that I wanted to pass out the rest of the day....so today I am trying 2mg in the morning...sub this time around has been different in that I don't have the "gotta quit these opiates mentality"...I think I need to get the dosing down better...last time all I did was wean wean wean....so I was always taking smaller amounts....sub is alot stronger than what we think....this time I am cranky also...just babbling here...guess I'm not awake...have a good day all

[angler204]

ok guys/gals...I need some help. I recently told my wonderful wife my true problem with addictition to pain meds...of any and all kinds. And I'm very serious about getting off of them.
I had been taking 5 to 15 vikes or lore tabs 7.5 mil per day just to keep me from getting sick. I stopped taking these Nov 20th and begain taking methadone waffers, about 1.5 a day for 5 days while on a trip. Once I got back I took 5 100 mg vikes on the 27th, and then 3 ultram Thursday the 30th. And then 3 ultram yesterday. I haven't felt any really bad pains yet. You think the worst is yet to come? I am going to quit these horrible things. I just wanted to know if someone could tell me where you think I am in the process of it leaving my system.
Any help is greatly appreciated!

[bigbopper]

I think you may not have as severe WDs as a long term case but you have to support your self Ultram can go to some of the receptors and buy time or mitigate WDs. They say dextromethorphan can too, I found when nieces.nephews were teething tat a tsp of th paregoric used for teething would stop WDsin their tracks, never felt any CNS efects. Hope it woeks weel for you. I have a suboxone appt tuesday 12/12/96 I went to www.naabt.com and now I have the Docs contacting me...kinda dicey cause I don'tknow about the pain; this kind is debilitating as molst guys can attest I lloked into methsadone as one Doc recommended cause of ther possible poain implications but there is NO way I can fit it into my life/work. I will be g;ad to try but I don't know what to tell my pain management doc...better hedge my bets til I know where I am.Ireally want to cut down my dosages though no matter what...

[sparky]

angler.....your pill usage seems pretty spread out....was there ever consistant usage orhas it always been sporatic....because it seems to me that you'd already be feeling quite a bit of w/d symptoms by now...if you don't feel that bad maybe you can get by with just a few days of not feeling so hot...since now your wife knows, perhaps she will understand why you are not feeling 100%.....but,if you are feeling as if you want to take more pills...perhaps you need help with treatment such as suboxone...which you can do on your own and at home...hope this bit of info helps...kinda need more background to help much more...and this is just my experience.

[sparky]

dive with me....from my own experience, having weaned off suboxone once already...but relapsed and now taking suboxone again...I would suggest slowing down your weaning process....spread out your dosage to the point of getting by on just 2 mgs a day and then even 1 mg a day...allow yourself this slow wean process...then when you are completely off sub your body and mind won't complain as bad...

[sparky]

Hi Mort...I just re read your post about the NA meeting...thanks for the reminder..think I'll get ready and go today...I'll let you know how it goes...because I do think I need to get that support system going locally..

[angler204]

Sparky, thanks for repsonding.
Actually I was very consistent with my usage up until I went on vacation the week of Thanksgiving. I knew where I was going I could get methadome so I was planning on taking 1 or 1.5 wafers a day for 5-6 days and then stopping completely when i got home. Well...that didn't work out so well. I got home Friday and was ok with a little help of some valium until I had to go to work and face my old source. I got/took 5 10 mg vikes on Monday, then as I said on Thursday 3 little ultram, then yesterday the same dosage.
Prior to me telling my wife my problem, I would take anywhere from 6 pills (7.5mg) to 20 pills (7.5mg or 10 mg) a day. And if I woke up knowing I didn't have any or was going to have a hard time getting them I'd start to get sick THE MORNING AFTER HAVING DOSED. Don't get me wrong, if I don't get the shakes and shivers and all the other terrible things that go with w/d's I'll be a very happy man.
I am just wondering where I stand in the process of getting off. I want the pills badly, but I also know that I have to stop now or I'll start all over again.
My back ground is similar to many here I know...I'm a 29 year old professional with 2 little girls and an amazing wife. I figured that at the rate I was taking pills I would end up spending close to $20,000/year on pills for my problem. and to make things worse I could probably afford it. But I know my body and mind can not afford any more of this terrible affliction. Maybe my problem is just more mental and less physical...is that even possible?

Thanks again for listening. Once I get off of these things I will be back to help others for sure!

[Jonesing]

I really wish I had started my Sub journey thread hear, rather than the Need To Talk Forum of this site. I have so many questions and replies that coincide with some of ya'll (yes i'm from the south ya'll !) I'd copy and paste it here if it wasn't so long. Just wanted to say hello and tell you if you're bored, check out my "Starting Sub this thursday" thread in the Need To Talk forum. Good luck to all who are trying to beat pain pill addiction.

J.

[gqblu]

What made you stop taking it after over 3 years of using it? Those otc pills.. pms etc just don't work for me. And they make me feel horrible the next morning!


Hey Lisa Girl,

I quit mostly due to stressing about supply constraints.

To me, ambien is a drug of convenience, not necessity. I wouldn't worry too much about your use, you will quit when you want to and it won't be difficult, just uncomfortable for a few nights.

Concurred, OTC pills have a tendency to keep you groggy for 1-12 hours after waking. I guess that is why ambien with its 2 hour half life is such a hit with insomniacs.

Have a great night!

[darkshines]

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[chrish1]

"You really never feel completely safe though.. it's just like one day...one bad day....one pill....it could start all over."

Lisa, you nailed it on the head. Nice job.

Morticia, how is the sponsor hunt?

I haven't been able to keep up much since I've been in Chicago on business for a few days. Hope all is well.

Chrish

Clean Date: 10/11/05

Drugs are a big lie. Don't believe the lie.

***HOW TO FIND LOCAL NA MEETINGS****

http://www.na.org/links-toc.htm

[nymommy]

jonesing~~~~~~~~i did go back and read your "journey"..i'm tapering off the sub, after close to 3 mos on it..never took that much..4 mgs total a day.( i'm a small woman)..now down to 1/2 a pill a day (1. mg i guess)..it's getting easier..the mental part, can be tough. but it seems like you have alot to lose....as i do...great spouse..kids..so i keep that in the forefront, and i'm determined to succeed...i will caution you that, tapering too quickly may not be a good move...seems your only on it for a few weeks..i would do a slow ..steady taper...decrease by 1 pill , stay there a week..giving each decrease in dose, a week to adjust..even if the tapering takes another month...better safe than back to square one.....good luck~~

[sparky]

angler....sounds to me like you may be able to bite the bullet and cold turkey through your w/d...but, as you said, once you get close to your "source" it may be hard to resist if you are hurting even a little with the w/d...I guess that will be a cross/road indicating how addicted you are....my thought is if you were taking as many as you were before telling wife quitting may be hard without help...its hard for me to tell your situation...but in mine...I could not stop on my own...I was up to sometimes 20 a day also...how does your wife feel about this whole situation...does she understand and is she supportive...if so talk to her openly about your difficulty quitting..good luck

[sparky]

Hi you all taking suboxone....I'm curious do you feel you are on the mend from your addiction...are you on the path to wellness....I can't say that I feel that way this time about my sub "treatment"....I do not have the mindset to quit my addiction (I don't think)...this worries me....am I just being impatient...and needing to give sub more time...to keep healing my from my vike addiction...just curious because I still feel like an addict...perhaps this NA meeting will help if I ever make it there...thanks...