[chrish1]

Happy weekend everybody.

Addiction is cunning, but it can be arrested.
Arrest your addiction. At first it may be painful and tough, but it gets easier... then, it may get tough again, but using is never the solution. We always feel worse than we did before using. We may get temporary relief, but we end up digging our own hole filled with pain and misery if we use. The only solution is to buck up and stop using. If we have to use meth or sub to stop that is fine, but make sure you get educated on addiction also, because the urges will come back. Most of us are young with a lot of years in front of us - so, think about all of those years that we need to stay clean. Really, we just need to focus on one day - TODAY. Just for today, don't use. I have arrested my addiction. I have seen testimonial in NA meetings of countless people who have arrested their addiction, many times for years or decades. The pioneers of AA arrested their addiction for the rest of their life. If they can do it and I can do it, you can do it also!

Thanks to everybody for reaching out on this board and sharing experience, strength, and hope. I read every couple days. I haven't been able to get on here and post as much as I'd like, but I want you all to know that you are providing hope and encouragment for me and others. Lisa, thank you for the nice compliment. Everyone, always remember that you do not have to be a slave to addiction. There is a way out. I found the way out through NA and my higher power. May you find your way out also.

Chrish

Clean Date: 10/11/05

Drugs are a big lie. Don't believe the lie.

***HOW TO FIND LOCAL NA MEETINGS****

http://www.na.org/links-toc.htm

[stepbystep]

Hello everyone. I posted a week ago about my addiction to Lorecets. I thought I was doing well because I was down to 1_and half to just 1 pill a day. I relasped one night by taking 3 (morning, afternoon, night)partly because I was drinking that night. A coulple things happened to me where I thought " well, thats a good enough reason" and then went back my "new intake" I lashed out at the only person that really cares about me and I felt worse and wanted to "quit on her" It wasnt her fault, it was my guilt and frustration that caused it. The
truth is, (and I know Im getting a tad of track) is Im so afraid of Loving her, I come up with excuses to get out of the relationship. And if you reading this honey, Im sorry to bring you up in this matter.
I still have this notion in my head that I could function in life with a couple of pills a day, and some drinks on the weekend. But considering the lack of motivation Ive had lately, the side of affects of my health down the road, and just the plain fact of depending on a pill makes me furious. there
is nothing more I want in this world . I JUST WANT TO QUIT!!!!!
Now Im going to read more of your forums and stop thinking about just myself.

[LISA GIRL]

Don't have time to post much but wanted to stop in and say hi..Hope everyone is feeling well and craving free

Chrish ....AMEN... Wise words very well put!! ( as always )

StepbyStep...Wanting to quit is the first step....sometimes we don't want to but need to (my case) but if you want to quit you are already ahead of the game! You can always find a reason to use...you have a ****ty day...something going on you need to dope yourself up for etc... I put off quitting for months cuz it was always something...some excuse...but eventually you have to realize that you can't put it off indefinitely(well you could but...you know what I'm saying)


You also said something about functioning on "a couple of pills a day" That was what I thought... and I did function... as far as the important things.. work etc... but talk about lack of motivation to do much else!! And eventually a "couple" of pills won't do it anymore.. it will be 3 or 4...then 5-7 ..then 10-12... it creeps up on you insidiously....no way around it. Period. Your relationships will suffer. Your bank account will suffer. It's a no win. You can quit if you want to...you can arrest your addiction as Chrish said! Good luck!


Morticia, Tammy, MNF, and all... Be Well Today!

Lisa

[stepbystep]

LISAGIRL
I guess im a really lucky because i have been addicted to Lorecets for 7-8 years and never have takin over 4 (maybe once I took 5 in a day) I guess Im fortunate in a way that my body just cant handle more that that. I get a sick feeling if I take more than 3 in a day (at this point). (remember, im down to 2 a day) Because of the 40 some people I have met, and of all those stories of famous people that fell victim, in the the last 7-8 years they all went up in their dosage. When the first time I heard of someone took 20 in a day, I could'nt beleive it. I thought, damn if I took that many, I would be dead. So its not about me ever increasing my dosage, my body just wont go for it (thank god) its about just getting off them completely. Even if it is only 2 a day.
Anyway I must have a WILL OF IRON in order to be what I want , and to have what I want and to especially give what I want to give.

[kdkd81]

Question about the anxiety, is it supposed to feel like that withdrawal feeling in your stomach? i hope someone knows what i mean cause i have this almost none stop. its been 12 days since i last had a pill

[LISA GIRL]

Sorry KD.. I saw you post that a day or so ago and I am not really sure I understand what you are feeling so I am no help.

[tamara02]

hi lisagirl,morticia and everyone else,well auburn just beat alabama,big deal around here...alabama fans are such babies they will be crying for months,,,anyways I am still on the sub,still have no get up and go and so much to do....I am going to ask my doc for some diet pills cause I am 40 lbs overweight,that may have alot to do w/ being sluggish,the doc probably will not rx me anydiet pills cause i dont know if it interferes w/ the sub.Ive taken them before and had lots of energy,I just may go to a diet clinic if she wont rx me anything..Is that dr.shopping or would it be legit?my sleeping is getting better,anyways not taking any sleep meds.lisa how long do you plan on being on the sub?Im thinking abt starting to taper,but my doc says it will be abt a year before i need to,but I dont want to be on it that long..mort,hows your pain,better I hope....you all take care chat w/ you soon tammy

[sparky]

Hi all...

[sparky]

Don't know where to begin...I have been gone from this board for awhile....I was on a long trip...of which I was very proud to stay clean the whole time.....but as soon as I returned I marched straight down to the pharmacie and picked up refill....just did not think twice...just did it....why...gosh I'd been doing so great...did the suboxone...and got through the sub w/d and just felt really good...and then something just did'nt compute ....I just gave it all up....now I'm not taking them like I once did ...but they are there...and I am afraid of their power over me.....all my true confessions are down the tube...I feel ashamed ...for not calling any support....I just did it......

[morticia]

hey Sparky Don't feel ashamed the trick is that you are doing something about it. everyone has a relaspe once ..so just because you did doesnt mean you should feel ashamed. Do you go to NA? maybe you should go to a meeting do you have a sponser? maybe you should let him know what happened i doubt very much that he would say anything negitive. I'm very proud of you that you came foward and told us what happened that was very good thing no one here is gonna put you down.
Maybe you need to be on the sub a little longer till you can get passed this.
you are in my prayers hun, there is hope.keep us posted


Clean Date:10/16/06

Just For Today

Luv N Hugs,
Clarkie

[LISA GIRL]

Hey guys!

Sparky ...I had 4 months clean time last year and one day just picked up a pill. I hadn't been craving before or anything... was doing just fine.... I don't know why I did it. But I did. ..and let me tell you it was another year and 1/2 of the pills before I got clean again. I hope never to use again but is that realistic? I don't know.

The point is...well hell, I don't know what the point is but I guess, as you know, you can start again! Today, tomorrow, or the next day.. when you quit again, it is a new start. More have stumbled than not, and all you can do is get back on the horse again so to speak. It's when we begin to feel invincible that the demon pills claim so many of us. A reminder to us to be on constant guard.. I think of the percs a lot still. (a few days I actually got my stash out and counted them. Why I don't know. I know Morticia is doing the right thing by going to NA.. I know that must help a lot. Just haven't felt like I have had the time to devote to a commitment like that lately. Props to you for coming back and letting us know what is going on with you! A lot of people just disappear from here for good and we are only left to assume they have met with defeat. We're here for you!

Tammy... I have been on the sub 6 weeks.. My doctor has never talked about tapering at all yet.. Of couse I have only seen him twice this whole time. I have cut down on my own to 4 mg per day (started at 6 mg) but have been craving something the last few days.. .more sub, pills, not really sure...

Some people are really anxious to get off the sub in "x" amount of time.. I don't feel that pressure. Would like to be on it no more than 6 months though. If I'm not, I'm not. . With insurance it's dirt cheap and doesn't hurt my liver. I would rather be on it than risk falling off the wagon. Have you stayed on the reduce dose? Still no more energy?

[sparky]

You know the funny thing before I went to get my script is I had no cravings and actualy didn't even think about the pills my whole vacation...felt very proud of myself for doing the vacation without pills...the vacation was alot of work.....when I woke up the next morning after getting home I just dialed the number...without even putting much thought into it....felt like I deserved a break or something....I am not abusing the pills at this point but am all to familiar with the sneaking up on you and before I know it I will be wanting more and more....so in my mind I keep saying you'll be done...no problem...maybe even go through the holidays on just a few a day....Am I crazy thinking this way?

[LISA GIRL]

Sparky.. I don't think you are crazy for thinking that way at all. Of course maybe it is not the "right" way to think.. but is very similar to my thinking. Sounds familiar how you just dialed the number... kind of like how I just picked up that bottle one day "without putting much thought into it."

I even still have my days where I think that having that one little habit wasn't so bad...I just financially couldn't justify spending $1500 per month on my little "habit." A;so the pills were draining my energy. What you need to do is find your motivation... what drove you to quit in the first place and focus on that. Had you quit before this time? If not, I'm here to tell you that the 2nd time around is MUCH MUCH harder. Get out while you can.

[PaulRemski777]

Sparky, Morticia, Lisa Girl et al....

Please help clarify for me...i hear a tremendous amount of what good old Freud would call the "superego" imposing himself on a whole lot of good people. If these medications are prescribed by a physician that is reputable, and you are in pain, why are we using descriptors like "demon" pills, addiction, etc... There is a whole lot of self imposed GUILT GOING DOWN here...and you are in control of your emotions in spite of popular opinion.

I am returning to work tommorrow in a high stress, good job with brain injured consumers. I have been out of work for 13 weeks. I know that the small no of pills prescribed by my physician will help me to get through the very real PAIN associated with 5 disc herniations, diabetic neuropathic pain, cranial nerve inflamation etc. I was on oxy hydro, and roxicodone..tons of narcs before i voluntarily detoxed self under drs supervision..I am now on 6-8 hydro 10/325s per day...I had to educate her (the dr.) to the step down protocol, but she was a cool MD, with knowing the old tenent that the patient has a good handle on their body and their condition (now 16 yrs).

So unless this is about drug abuse, why frame things as evil, demonized and yada yada bad. I will likely have to be detoxed several times before I pass on to the eternal kingdom...but I will not apologize to anyone for using the meds God has allowed me to use to be functional, and, helpful to others I might add over the last sixteen years. I am not directing my comments at anyone, but I think the reason for use is of paramount importance.

Nicotene is more addictive than heroin. I quit smoking with God's help 5 yrs ago.
Caffeine found in chocolate, coffee, some teas, soft drinks, et al.
is extremely addictive. I still enjoy a good cup of coffee.

I am only trying to offer a different mindset. If there is real pathology and pain condition, the reason the drs should be prescribing the meds are to help relieve the pain. They should also be prescribing a lot of other stuff...like GOOD nutrition, multiple vitamin, back heating pads, microwaveable pads, ice packs (rotate them if your in a chronic state of pain, 15 min on heat, 15 min on ice pk), accupuncture, Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulators (TENS units), EMDR (Eye Mobility Desensitization Restoration, forgot acronym ?), good quality counseling with accountability, MEW groups (Most EXcellent Way), massage therapy, change of job, vocation, world view, mindsets that are destructive, physical positions at work (i do my counseling in a standing position, and my patients do not object), ergonomic changes to work stations (i have used sit-stand work stations), radical readings by John E Sarno, MD [u]</u> The MindBody Prescription, the teachings of Jesus, "forgive those who have despitefully used you" how many times should i forgive Lord, seven times, No, Jesus said...70 times 7 and his language was hyperbolic. etc etc. Roots of bitterness, unforgiveness, and other emotions unacknowledged can have physical manifestations... You can find relief whether you suffer from physical or emotional pain or both. God is not far away from you. He has many arrows in his quivor to address your condition. The Lord loves you incredibly.

Kind regards,
Paul Remski





Paul Remski; 16 yrs Chronic back pain patient; 4 wks post detox and returning to work as TBI rehab specialist. Email: PaulRemski@twcny.rr.com

[morticia]

Paul,
are you afraid of the the word hell? If your not then what the hell are you talking about?

you said you went through detox on your own right? but at the same time your still using am I right? just for pain, many of us here are in pain like you are and wish not to be on pills but some of us have too.
I went through detox on my own and i dont take any hydro, vikes, perks oxy's anymore, i'm on meth for my pain and it is prescribed to me by my pain mangement doc. Now dont give me that BS about being on meth cuz i know it is a narcotic but it doesnt give me the "high" that all addicts crave, plus alot of us here are on sub and without these drugs some of us would still be addicted to narcotics.
we all have the right to chose what we put in our own bodies, and if it means that we need help with transisional drugs may it be.
I speak for myself, you are a hypocript, saying one thing and then doing another, if you went through detox then whay are you still on narcotics? dosent make much sense to me.
and why are you bringing God into this ? he loves us all now matter if we have an addcition or not.
good for you that you say you need these pills cuz of a back problem well i need meth for my chronic back pain. maybe you should go to an NA meeting and see what addction is all about or are so high on yourself that you wouldnt step foot on an NA meeting.
Seriouly speaking, and again I only speak for myself because i'm the one responding to your post, I don't believe in Jesus i believe he was a kind man but that is it, i dont think Jesus is gonna help me with my back pain like you posted I am Jewish, and if you believe that Jesus is gonna help you through thats your opinion but not everyone here believe's in the same thing so please dont bring religion into this forum, it can cause alot of conflict. Thank you.
Thats all I have to say!

[LISA GIRL]

Paul... .running late for work so don't have time for full and complete reading of your post or a response however a quick note.

You are basing your argument on the assumption that this is a chronic pain thread full of people who have legitimate prescriptions... While that may be the case for some people, for me it is not

I have no chronic pain.. No pain that warrants percocet use whatsover. I have no prescription. I bought pills off co-workers who obtained them illegally. I bought them to get high, not to mask pain.. It's as simple as that. For me, the reference to the percocet as "demonic' in nature is accurate.

More tonight..

[LISA GIRL]

P.s. I AM a Christian and believe that God and his son Jesus can help us with our ADDICTION issues, but as the non biblical but ever quoted adage goes..."GOD helps those who help themselves." And I believe that any temptation of the flesh is Satan based(so words such as demonic are aprapo).. so there you go... wow... really running late for work now..... but Morticia is right... best not to bring a religious debate to the forum....

[tamara02]

You Go Girls!!!!hi its tamm,hope ya'll are doin' alright!!!I'm okay just taking 4mg less of the sub,see how it goes.. The hydros all are Demon pills ,i totally agree I have no major pain , I have no reason to take them but I did and got totally hooked and couldnt live w/o them ,now here we are and we're doing great!!! so far,,,chat w/ u later

[morticia]

hi ya Tam~ how are you feeling better now that your on less sub?
were you able to make it to a meeting yet? well, you'll go when your ready.
how about that guy, ooh he made me so mad especially reading it at 4 this morning, half dead lol i can't seem to sleep the whole night through even with the meth, oh yeah , thanks for expaining the whole meth thing to me makes sense.
Lisa~ how are you doing? hope your werent too late for work, are you still on the same amount of sub? i had my cyst lanced again today by my family doc he did it right he numbed me with lidocaine then he squeezed the **** out of it lol he put the scaple in so deep that no metal was showing but i wasn't in any pain just alot of pressure nothing like they did at the ER that was freakin torture lol OMG i was a screamin':0 i didnt even need anything for pain this time thank God anyway he wouldnt give it to me. then he gave me this speel about methadone being too addictive which i already know and i do know that its the hardest to get off but he said it for someone my age he said its just too addctive but theres nothing he can do and for the record he gets lil old ladies addcited to oxy's and the patch because they dont have much time to live ok go figure right? makes no sense to me anyway just ramblin'
hope to hear from both of you soon, keep up the good work both of you are doing excellent!


Clean Date:10/16/06

Just For Today

Luv N Hugs,
Clarkie

[debbyakamom]

I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAVE FINALLY FOUND A PLACE TO VENT!!!!!!!
I AM A YOUNG 54 YEAR OLD CUTE PETITE (ONLY 4'10") MARRIED (BARELY BECAUSE OF THIS PROBLEM) WOMAN WHO LIVED MY ENTIRE LIFE WITH THE CONSCIOUS DECISION THAT I WAS NEVER GOING TO EVEN TRY DRUGS. I ALSO WAS NOT AT ALL "DRUG SAVVY", DIDN'T KNOW OR WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THEM.
I DO NOT DRINK ALCOHOL EITHER, NEVER HAVE, I DO SMOKE CIGARETTES ONLY BECAUSE AS I ENTERED MY SENIOR YEAR OF HIGH SCHOOL IN 1969, I WAS TERRIFIED I WOULD BE STUCK BEING CALLED A "NERD"!!! (O.M.G.)
I COULDN'T HAVE THAT, SO, I FORCED MYSELF TO START SMOKING. THIS WAS AND ALWAYS HAD BEEN MY "DRUG OF CHOICE", UNTILL A PAIN DOCTOR GOT HOLD OF ME.
SOMETIME APPOX. AROUND THE MILLENIUM (2000) I STARTED TO DEVELOP SEVERE PELVIC PAIN.
AND THIS WAS WHEN IT ALL STARTED!!!
I KNOW I DON'T NEED TO GO INTO THE LONG DRAWN OUT SPECIFICS HERE, BUT THE DOCTOR PUT ME ON PERCOCET. I WAS ACCTUALLY PETRIFIED TO TAKE THEM AT FIRST (NOT BECAUSE OF ADDICTION AS I DID NOT KNOW THEY CAUSED THAT)BUT, BECAUSE I WAS GIVEN SOMETHING FOR PAIN WHEN I HAD MY WISDOM TEETH OUT AND GOT VIOLENTLY ILL.
WELL WHEN I GOT THE PERCOCET I STARTED WITH LIKE 1/8TH OR SO OF A TABLET, THEN A LITTLE MORE, AND MORE, UNTIL I KNEW I COULD TAKE ONE AND NOT BE SICK.
THIS WAS THE BEGINNING OF "THE END" FOR ME!!
I WISH [u]</u>SOOOOOO BAD [u]</u> NOW THAT I HADND NOT GOTTEN SICK FROM THEM.
IF I HAD I WOULD HAVE NEVER KEPT TAKING THEM AND GOTTEN TO THIS POINT IN MY LIFE.
I JUST CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT I LIVED 49+ YEARS STRAIGHT AS AN ARROW AND NOW I AM TREATED LIKE A COMMON STREET ADDICT!!!!!
I SOB DAILY OVER THIS. OH I DID IT ALL, WENT INTO TREATMENT FACILITIES, 2 OR 3 TIMES, THEN A DOCTOR PUT ME ON SUBOXONE, I HAD TO GO AWAY A FEW MONTHS AGO SO HE FILLED MY APPOINTMENT SPOT. I HAD NO IDEA THEY COULD ONLY TAKE SO MANY PATIENTS AND THAT'S IT.
NOW WHAT WAS I GOING TO DO???
AND ON TOP OF THIS MY PELVIC PAIN IS BACK!!!! NOW MY PRIMARY SENT ME AGAIN TO A PAIN DOCTOR AND I TOLD HIM NO OXYCONTIN!!!
SO HE PUT ME ON METHADONE!!!
I AM READY TO SCREAM!!!!
I WANT TO GET OFF ALL PAIN MEDICINE BUT I HAVE A CONDITION WHICH THERE IS NO CURE AND ONE OF THE ONLY SYMPTOMS IS SEVERE PELVIC PAIN.
IT IS CALLED INTERSTICIAL CYSTITIS, A BLADDER CONITION. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO ANYMORE.
I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE AFTER MY WHOLE LIFE NOW BEING TREATED THIS WAY!! IT IS SO DEGRADING AND I DO NOT DESERVE IT!!!
MY OWN HUSBAND IS EVEN DOING IT NOW.
WHEN HE PUT ME ON METHADONE MY HUSBAND FREAKED OUT!!!
HE SAYS "DON'T LET ANY OF MY FRIENDS KNOW YOU ARE JUNKED OUT ON THOSE!!!!! THOSE ARE GIVEN ONLY TO JUNKIES!!"
HERE I GO CRYING AGAIN.
I'M SORRY FOR RANTING SO.
HAVING A BAD DAY TODAY. MY HUSBAND & I ARE FIGHTING AGAIN OVER THIS.
I COULD USE SOME KIND ADVICE FROM SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT I'M GOING THROUGH.
THANKS FOR LISTENING.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL.


Deborah A. Amatangelo

[debbyakamom]

quote:Originally posted by morticia
then he gave me this speel about methadone being too addictive which i already know and i do know that its the hardest to get off but he said it for someone my age he said its just too addctive but theres nothing he can do and for the record he gets lil old ladies addcited to oxy's and the patch because they dont have much time to live ok go figure right?

THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. MY DOCTOR SAID NOTHING ABOUT THE METHADONE LIKE THIS!! NOW I'M ON THIS!! AND I SPECIFICALLY SAID TO HIM NO OXYCONTIN, IT TOOK ME TOO LONG AND WAS TOO HARD TO GET OFF OF!! AND HE GIVES ME METHADONE???
WHAT THE **** IS UP WITH THESE DOCTORS!!!!!!

Deborah A. Amatangelo

[debbyakamom]

WHY IS IT THAT THE DOCTORS NEVER TELL YOU YOU ARE GOING TO GET ADDICTED TO THE DRUG THAT THEY ARE USING TO GET RID OF YOUR OTHER ADDICTION???
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE????
OR IS IT JUST ME????
DEB

[LISA GIRL]

Debby... it's hard for me to answer you because I did my percs for recreational purposes only. Loved em. Still love them.. just don't take them. But you have pain. Sounds to me like there is no way around pain medication. . If you have pain and are addicted, from what I understand methadone is the best thing for you. Morticia can give you a lot more information on that than I can.

Is there a connotation that people have of people on methadone? Sure.. it's the 100 lb heroin addict on the street with a needle in his arm. That's what the average person would imagine if you said to invision someone who is a candidate for methadone. .. That is only cuz they are scared of what they do not know and uninformed. You have to educate yourself and then other people on your situation and the treatment (meth)

I think the post that Paul made was not meant to offend anyone.
To the contrary ,he was saying we should not beat ourselves up for using prescribed medication when needed. My point to him was that for me anyway, it is not prescribed.

You don't really say how your perc use escalated out of control so that you had to go to rehab. This might be more helpful in giving you advice. Honestly I just don't know how people with pain issues and become addicted to pain meds deal with it. Again, Morticia is probably a better source of info there.

But welcome and this is a great place to vent. Why is your husband being so hostile? My bf was like that during my use too. Actually he's still an ass and I wonder daily why I put up with him. You say you are being treated like a "common street addict." By who? Who knows your problem that is treating you like that? Sounds like you need to associate with some new people!!

[morticia]

hi Debby, and welcome,
you came to the right place, I was in your situation once i have chronic back pain from an accedent 16 years ago and ive been on pain meds for on and off for 16 years , my back pain got worse over the years i was only 19 at the time im 34 now but about 4 years ago i was on pain meds consenstly by my family doc then about a year to the last 6 months i got worse i stared to abuse them big time because of a car acceident and i was put on perks 10's and that was the end of me, i got so addictied i had to make a chioce either od or do something about it so i decided to check myself into a detox center and they weaned me off of the perks and put me on methadone valium visrtal and trazadone, now mind you i still had servere back pain but when i was detoxing with the meth, i felt so much better no pain, i also heard of meth being just for herion addicts because its senthic herion but its not true, so after i got out after 5 days i went to back to my pain mangement doc and he put on meth because i told him that i was still in alot of back pain, i mean i couldnt even sleep in a bed i had to sleep in a recliner chair so in july of this year my pain doc gave me a shot of striods didnt work so after talking with him about what to do he decided meth was the right choice for me, becuase they dont give out regualar narcotics there.
I know that meth is a narcotic the best by far but it doesnt give you the high that alot of ppl have with other narcotics.
Debby, alot of ppl have misconcept of meth but it is the best out there for chonic pain like us that we have and believe me your not on a junkie med its not like that at all since ive been on meth im able to sleep in a regualar bed with my hubby i have no back pain just a lot of conspation but i take a laxative for that. ask your doc if you concerned but you really dont have to be i mean its your chioce you dont have to be on something you dont want to if you get a chance read some of my posts about meth.

Thank you Lisa , for referring me to talk to Debby i didnt see her post till now, i appraicate it i think she will be fine.

Debby, best of luck to you let us know how you are doing , keep us posted.


Clean Date:10/16/06

Just For Today

Luv N Hugs,
Clarkie

[sparky]

Hi....just hangin out here on the fence...choosing not to look at my renewed pill use....still not to the extent of previous usage when it cost a fortune and I was on constant hunt for next supply.....I do not want to go that route again....Lisa....I agree the sooner I nip this in the bud the better...all I need to do is make a phone call...and more than likely it will be handled..a plan will be put in place....my sub doctor did say tho that he will not keep giving me sub if I relapse...thats holding me back from talking to anyone...just feel sort of stupid...but I know this a common thing (relapsing)...I just thought I was "so done" and would never go back....fooled me

[abey042000]

Mort (Nancy)

You are so uninformed about the mdone your on. You think u had a prob with pills B-4 just wait till about a yr from now. You will be in an agonizing addiction to meth. You need to do more research on this stuff. I cant believe u would spend money for a detox that just put u on mdone anyway. What a waste of money. You mdone doc is makin' a killin'. Your gonna end up in worse shape with mdone then anyother pill u've ever ingested. TRUST ME!

[mpvt]

I've been on methadone for 4 years now for addiction/chronic pain and I can tell you that it's the best pain killer that I have had and I've had most of them.Methadone is extremely powerful and addictive and should be used as a last resort.If you're a chronic pain patient and you have been on alot of the heavier opiates like morphine,dilaudid ect then methadone is a good choice.It is not a good drug if you don't plan on being on it for the rest of your life.Far to many people take methadone for 4-6 months and then find they can't get off of it to easily and that's why you have to be a chronic pain patient that has been on opiates for many years.It is also used for heroin/opiate addicts and it does a very good job but it is used entirely different for opiate abuse as it is for pain management.So that would be my suggestion for anyone thinking about going on methadone....Dave

[stepbystep]

Im doing this.. I dont give a **** anymore. Iam doing this ......................I was doing it for someonelse. Im doing it for me.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! Sick and tired of my ****ing excuses....Mind over matter ....Mind over matter...........................WILL OF IRON!!!!!!!!! good luck to everyone else. Ill be back when Im clean!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR ME, THAT SHOULD BE A COUPLE MORE DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[morticia]

stepbystep,
Good for you glad to hear that your doing it for your self, and thats the way it should be! are doing it cold turkey or with detox meth or sub?
maybe check out an NA /AA meeting they are great supports i just celebrated my 30 days last week. I love NA if it wasnt for them i would be were i am today plus i quit opiates for myself too. you have to do it for yourself. good luck i wish you only the best. I know you can. I went to detox and now i go to pain mangement for my pain my doc put me on methadone cuz i tried just about everything out there plus i'm allergic to alot of opiates especally with pure codedine in them so i coudnt take things like tylenol 3's or 4's but i tried OC's, vikes, dialudid, morphine, perks nothing helped with my pain but the methadone does, and like you i just sick and tried of being addicied to pills so when i go to my meeting tonight i'll say a prayer for you.
hang in there keep us posted!


Clean Date:10/16/06

Just For Today

Luv N Hugs,
Clarkie

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Well I'm currently addicted to oxycontin, hydrocodone and perkiset. I snort about 1500mgs of oxy each day just to stay strait. Oxycodone is the grandaddy of all painkellers...when snorted or injected it's effects are similar to heroin. I've made it through withdrawels 11 times without a treatment center...it can be done but is difficult. Take a lot of really hot showers...drink a ton of water, and just remember the first three days are the unbearable ones...then it gets easier.