[unclenasty93]

Patmamma,

As I told you once before, stop worrying about the medicine for pain control, because that is what it is for "pain control". You are getting a double dose of pain from 2 places right now and you "NEED" to be on painkillers. There is no need for you to explain yourself or justify anything. Like I said, if you don't control the pain it could actually be harmful to your recovering and healing properly. Use them while you need them without any guilt. You are doing great and you have shown a lot of strength and resiliency through these medical ordeals. Hope you feel better soon.

mike.

[morticia]

hey Patmomma~ how are you feeling today? i think unclenasty is right that you need the pills to help heal yourself you shouldnt think its a set back cuz its not, you had oral surgery, and that can be very pain full so you need them for a legit reason and dont let anyone tell you differnt then just taper off slowly once your better, you'll be back to where you were in no time really i believe that, your in my prayers hun,

Tam, where have ya been ? are you ok? i know said you werent feeling good lately but your in my prayers i have a womens NA group tonight i definalty say a prayer for you did you get a chance to go to NA yet? you'll go when your feeling better how do you like AA? i never been to AA before is it good? hope to hear from you soon hun

KD~ unclenasty is right its all indivaul but your anixety could be mental w/d you said the pain specialist put you on xanax? is that for the w/d or for your nerves? just be careful because regualar xanax doesnt last , like it doesnt have the same effect as it did when you first took it your body gets used to it quickliy and you end up wanting more to get the same effect, so just out of concern be careful hun, how are you doing other wise? let me know. i think your doing just fine and the like i said the anixety will go away in time but your over the very worst of it Congraualtions i'm very proud of you! keep up the good work. tomorrow will be my 30 days i get my keychain tomorrow night at my home group at NA.

take care

Amy, you are in my prayers hun, hope your ok keep us posted. hope your feeling better.

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Clean Date:10/16/06

Just For Today

Luv N Hugs,
Clarkie

[tamara02]

hi lisagirl , thanks for replying. I am going to start cutting down today , im suppost to take 2/8-2 mg per day,im just going to do 1 today,also this stuff stays in your system for a long time i heard you can skip a day and wont notice the difference,tell me abt. the bad side effects you were having,if you dont mind,.thanks tammy

[tamara02]

hi mort. you snuck up on me....hope all is well!!!I just dont have any get up and go,plus my husband is such an ass (donkey)that dosent help..,im gonna take a lil less of the sub, for the next few days and see if that helps,I haven't went to any meetings in a few days ,but, will start up asap.im gonna try to pick up around the house right now,take care ,chat w/ u soon. tammy

[kdkd81]

Ok so I may have found out my anxiety problems. Back when I first got hurt, they put me on all sorts of anti anflamatory drugs along with narcotics. I found that the anti inflamatory drug naproxen made my whole body wired and nervous. Well since I have been off the narcotic for over 7 days now I have been taking alive for the pain. Today I went to take the alive and decided to see what was in it, well its naproxen lol. I did not take it and today I am fine. Today has been my best day in a long time. I feel normal again and in such a short time.

Lisa- I read all of Lazer's posts and his condition of ocd is much more complicated then mine. I have a slight case as do most males, whereas he is full blown and I feel bad for him. What happend to him anyway, he just stoped posting one day?

Mort- Congrads on your 30 days and keychain I am very proud. I thank you very much for your support when I was going through the worst. I am not even having a craving today. I think it may be over for me and I am finally FREEEEE.

Thanks everyone and talk to you soon.

[bthedub]

hey everyone i have been reading these posts for a while and finally decided to join. a little background info, im 19 years old and am kicking a 2 year lortab addiction. it all started when i was 17 and got in a wreck doing 130mph (i wasn't driving) and broke my hip and pelvis. In a textbook case i was given lortabs and thought i found the magic cure for everything. although when my prescription ended i stop taking the lortabs... for a little while. my older brother took them recreationally and i started hanging out with him more often so when i saw him doing it all the time i figured it was ok for me to also. i didn't realize how bad I had gotten off until recent months when i realized i didn't want to get out of bed without them. I tried quitting a couple months ago and made it 2 days but my roomate at the time, who i have since kicked out, talked me into eating some when i couldnt get over how bad i felt. after that i thought i was hooked for life and had almost convinced myself i was hooked for life. but then recently i spent over a 1,000 dollars on them in a 2 week period. during that time too i would eat 20 a day, even more on weekends, and would barely get a buzz, mainly i just felt normal. thats when i realized something had to change. i last ate any a week ago today although i still feel really ****ty. i felt great on day 4 and 5 but it all hit me again like a tidal wave yesterday. im dealing with it though. the barely any sleep, waking up in the night and my sheets soaking from sweat, and pain in my legs though is almost unbearable. a funny thing too is that when i was on day 2 of w/d i almost lost it and was going to eat a lortab cause i thought i could eat just one more and would be fine, when in reality i would have started back up. of all the people i know who i could call for one i chose my brother who i barely ever went through and when i asked him if he had any without telling him about trying to quit he told me hell no im done with those things and turned out he had stopped 1 day b4 me. his problem was just as bad if not worse than mine, and i knew then it was a sign to quit and neevr gave in a ate one. sorry i know i just wrote a book but i just wanted to tell yall my story and get that off my chest.

[morticia]

hi dub~
your not alone alot of us start out like that either from accidents, chronic back pain ect. then unforunilty the pain meds stop workin and end up taking more and more until we are addcited, my story stared 16 years ago i was in an accendent at work .i hurt my back i stayed on perks then for a little while felt better , the last 4 years have been tough for me i was taking vikes, 7.5's like they were candy going to the ER all the time getting dialdid through the IV and the last year to 6 months i was in a car accendent and it aggravated my syactic nerve so i went to a no fault doc and he gave me 60 pers 10's and they were gone in 2-3 days then i said enough is enough so i made some phone calls and decided to go to detox and i was there for 5 days and they weaned me off with meth and valium and vistral and trazadone.
so to make a long story short i got out of detox but my chronic back pain was still there so i went to my pain doc and he put me on methadone, 20 mgs for the pain which works wonders and now i go to NA meetings and they are God sent, i mean they help me so much everybody welcomed me with open arms gave me numbers ect, i have yet to get a sponser but hopefully soon, so i ve been clean for about a month now and since i have been off pills my out look on life is so differnt im a much happier person, not weighed dowm by pills.
have you considered suboxone? it helps with the w/ds only a special doc can give it out though, so but just read some of the others posts that are on that med and you' will see that it does help. and maybe think about an NA meeting they really do help. best of luck to you you'll be in my prayers tonight when i go to my NA group.

KD~ thank you very much for the congrates i really apprciate it it makes me feel good that ppl really do care on this forum, and your very welcome it my pleasure to help you out , im just glad your FREE!! isnt it a nice feeling?
well gotta run gotta hop in the shower before my meeting, but i will be back around 9 and let you all know how it went,

Patmomma, Lisa, Tam, dub and KD and all that are still stuggling you'll be in my prayers tonight at the meeting.
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Clean Date:10/16/06

Just For Today

Luv N Hugs,
Clarkie

[kdkd81]

My doc put me on 1 lexapro a day and .25 of niravam for anxiety and possibly ocd well see how that goes, i told him i heard lexapro was addictive he told me dont worry about that he knows how to help me when that time comes

[LISA GIRL]

Morticia. Congratulations on your upcoming 30 days! Is it today or tomorrow? Those of us on suboxone/methadone obviously know that we are still on opiates. But it is a huge step in that we are no longer using to get a high...anyone who tries to take away from THAT just doesn't know what they are talking about. Most of us at some time or another will still have cravings (I know I do) and being able to rise above them (even if it's with the help of our transitional drug) still have the right to be proud of ourselves. So let the haters hate... you are better than me to ignore it.

Tammy... The first few weeks I was fine on sub. I will have to go back and read my posts but I think at the time I was breaking them in 1/2 (the 2 mg) As I started eating whole pills I was feeling sick to my stomach, very sweaty/feverish and dizzy. Now I can't say for SURE it was the sub.. at first I thought it as the flu but it continued on for weeks! I also think I may have had problems as was taking it when I didn't have enough food in my tummy. I have reduced my mg and am feeling better.

Bthedub.. Good choice and congratulations! You are very lucky you have your brother quitting at the same time as you. It will decrease your temptation and also give you someone who can empathize and you can talk to about your w/d symptoms. Us forum people are great but there's no one like family to talk to when going thru something like this if you can.

Kd.. not sure what happened to Lazer.. LAZER you there? Let us know how you are doing! Hope you are well.

[AmyBreeze]

Dub, you can do it. You're doing the right thing. One day at a time. Life will be SO much better. You will be free......and you won't be abusing your body and think of the $$$$ you're saving!!!

Just hang on.....

Amy

[chrish1]

Lisa, your honesty about your feelings as you experience getting clean and taking sub have been inspiring to me and probably many others. You are doing a service to mankind with your honesty and efforts. Always remember that.

Everybody, hang in there. What we could not do alone, we can do with the support of others.

Fight the good fight!

Chrish

Clean Date: 10/11/05

Drugs are a big lie. Don't believe the lie.

***HOW TO FIND LOCAL NA MEETINGS****

http://www.na.org/links-toc.htm

[nymommy]

quote:Originally posted by LISA GIRL

Morticia. Congratulations on your upcoming 30 days! Is it today or tomorrow? Those of us on suboxone/methadone obviously know that we are still on opiates. But it is a huge step in that we are no longer using to get a high...anyone who tries to take away from THAT just doesn't know what they are talking about. Most of us at some time or another will still have cravings (I know I do) and being able to rise above them (even if it's with the help of our transitional drug) still have the right to be proud of ourselves. So let the haters hate... you are better than me to ignore it.

Tammy... The first few weeks I was fine on sub. I will have to go back and read my posts but I think at the time I was breaking them in 1/2 (the 2 mg) As I started eating whole pills I was feeling sick to my stomach, very sweaty/feverish and dizzy. Now I can't say for SURE it was the sub.. at first I thought it as the flu but it continued on for weeks! I also think I may have had problems as was taking it when I didn't have enough food in my tummy. I have reduced my mg and am feeling better.

Bthedub.. Good choice and congratulations! You are very lucky you have your brother quitting at the same time as you. It will decrease your temptation and also give you someone who can empathize and you can talk to about your w/d symptoms. Us forum people are great but there's no one like family to talk to when going thru something like this if you can.

Kd.. not sure what happened to Lazer.. LAZER you there? Let us know how you are doing! Hope you are well.

[nymommy]

that was me trying to reply to lisa...nicely put lisa! i'm weeks away from being off sub.....i know i would ever never gotten this far w/o my "transitional drug"...

[LISA GIRL]

Aw ChrisH ... That made me get all teary!( Do we have a blushing emoticon?) Thank you for the kind words. I will always remember how when I was just a "lurker" here I would read your posts and feel so inspired. I thought it was great you were here still helping people after being clean so long. I still do...So a compliment from YOU is extra special! Thank you!

[kdkd81]

hey can someone tell me if this is anxiety it feels like my throat either has a ball stuck in it or it is closing up and this occurs around 1 30 pm and contiues all day long. Is this normal with the withrdrawal from percocets its been what 9 days since i last had a pill. Please let me know cause this is starting to annoy and scare me.

[LISA GIRL]

I detoxed from percs twice.. once c/t once with sub but never had any symptom like you describe.. haven't heard of it happening either. Sorry no help. but I hope it gets beter.

[morticia]

hi everybody~
how are yall doing? I hope everyone is fine,
Lisa~thank you very much for congrates on my 30 days i got my keychain at tonights meeting it says clean and sereen for 30 days!
i'm very proud for once in my life and thank you for that post i'm not gonna let the haters stand in my way of my sobriety you are absoulty right ppl that have used need transional drugs (sp) i take my meth for chronic back pain as well and it is given to me by my pain mangemnet doc and he montiters (sp) again lol i had to sign a contract and everything, i find there is NOTHING WRONG with sub or meth we ARE clean like nymommy said in her post if it wasnt for sub she wouldnt be with where she is today. At tonights meeting i said prayers for you , patmomma, nymommy, Amy , KD, Tam, and all those who are clean or trying to get clean. ppl that are not happy with themselves like to drag ppl that have clean time and decided on there own to make a change like to pick on ppl, and i feel that this forum has done me a world of good i want to be a sponser someday i enjoy this forum and the ppl like yall who have sucess stories make my day, i love to hear sucess stories thats why i keep coming back.
So enough said about that when are you gonna buy that diamond braclet cuz you deserve it.

Take Care all hope to hear from you soon!
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Clean Date:10/16/06

Just For Today

Luv N Hugs,
Clarkie

[unclenasty93]

bthedub,

Hi, glad you started posting. This is probably a trivial thing to point out, but one thing I read in your post concerned me. You said that after you had gone a couple days without using anything your roomate "talked you into eating some pills". This concerns me because in making that statement you are not "owning" your own behavior. You took those pills that day for one reason and one reason only, because "you" chose to. We all like to justify and blame outside sources for our actions, but the fact of the matter is nobody "makes" us do anything, nobody "talks us into" doing anything. We are adults with free will and we must take full responsibility for all of our actions. Keep goin strong! mike.

[LISA GIRL]

Mort. I've been thinking about the practicality of that bracelet this close to Christmas..... I really NEED new carpet for my living room too, so that should probably come first... and I don't need to buy something obscenely expensive to reward myself. Being clean and clearheaded is its own reward... but maybe after the holidays. hahaha. And you are right about those not happy with their situation trying to knock the acccomplishments of others. It's sad.

Congrats again on your accomplishmen! I think it is very therapeutic to come here and post.. I might post TOO much but it keeps me focused. I wonder about the pals we had here that just disappear one day. Of course they have the right to not post, but it makes me wonder... makes me sad...makes me fear that one day you can be completely committed to being clean and the next you eat a pill. That is what happened to me last year.

Patmamma.. how you feeling? Tammy.. doing better on the lower sub dose? Tinkers? You still there? Kaidog? If anyone who used to post regularly is there lurking... post a short note to let us know you are ok...regardless, you will still be in our prayers.

Oh and NYMOMMY.. something is up w/ my msn..says high traffic volume and I can't sign in....so I'll chat with you tonight. I would imagine they would have it resolved by then.

Everyone have a pain/craving free day!....

[morticia]

hi everyone~,
Lisa ~ you are so right about being clean IS a reward in its self i really congradulate you on your clean time keep up the good work, and thank you again for such nice compliments i really do apprecaite them.
last night i had to go to the ER to get a huge cyst lanced and all the doc did was "freeze" it and then he lanced it holy ****! i felt the ****ing scaple cut me open and not only didnt he have to do it once but twice! that scaple cut hurt like hell i was screaming bloody murder then all this pus and **** came out he said he was gonna give me something for pain or send me home with pain meds but i refused i mean i came this close to taking them but i told him NO!!
my hubby was there with me to help me say no, i just had a little minor surgery and believe me i really wanted them but i had just celebrated my 30 days i just couldnt take them ,plus i took a meth with me to the hospital and took it after the percedure was over it hurt for about a half hour and then the pain started to go away, it turned out that i really didnt need the pain pills after all, so but it was hard it took every bit of strenth to say no plus being on meth your not suppose to take any narcotics with it so that wouldve scared me if i did take the pain pills i would have been up all night worring that i would die or something...phew today when i woke up i had hardly any pain he put me on antibiotics and told me warm compresses that should help heal it quicker i feel so much better i am glad i got the cyst lanced.
it really was Bloody gross lol
take care all have a great day
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Clean Date:10/16/06

Just For Today

Luv N Hugs,
Clarkie

[tamara02]

Hi,Guyslisa I think im doing better on less sub, got some good sleep,finally,thanks for the info...Mort. Congrats to you.....hey,you mentioned something abt. taking hydros while on the meth. well Its just wasting the meds and probably not to great on the stomach,, you can take 20 hydros and you will not feel it ,the meth blocks it,the meth is very strong and a real good pain med.if your hurting real bad you can take maybe 1/2 tab more of the meth on your next dose,I was on it for a couple of years ,went to a clinic,I was up to 90mg per day,then started weaning down took a long time,the meth made me feel real good and great energy unlike the sub.it just keeps me feeling normal and I still crave the high alot...talk w/ u later,love ya'll tammy

[morticia]

Hi ya Tam~
good to hear from you thank you for the comgrates i really appciate it! no, i would never take any hydros on meth, i said i would be to scared to because of drug interaction, but i was thinking about though cuz the pain was so bad, from the minor surgery but after taking 10 mgs of meth it really helped with the pain, you were on 90 mgs? wow i'm only on 20 mgs and i have no energy i sleep all the time especially 2 hours after i take my dose, if i was on that much i think i would be asleep for a week LOL .
i'm so glad to hear that your feeling better on the sub since you lowered it.
how come you switched from meth to sub?have you thought about going back on meth if the sub doesnt work out?
keep me posted i d like to know how you are doing, you are on my prayers
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Clean Date:10/16/06

Just For Today

Luv N Hugs,
Clarkie

[trytryagain]

quote:Originally posted by Doggy

I have a really good friend who is addicted to the pain killer Hydrocodone. Anyhow she wants to stop but everytime she does she gets really bad withdrawals such as sweating and shaking, can't sleep, etc. I was wondering if anyone out there has been through this on their own without going to a treatment center. If so please tell me what to do for her and how long it took for the withdrawals to go away!!!! HELP!!!!

The really bad withdrawals should only last about 3-4 days. She should take as many hot baths as she can and even though she may not feel like it, she should eat something protein packed. Personally, I think the sleeplessness is the hardest part because 3 days is forever if you are watching the clock tick. My husband went out and bought me ALL seasons of CSI Miami, NY & Las Vegas and I just watched them one after the other for 4 days. After the 4th day, I started moving around and walking as much as I could (exercise helps) telling myself "one foot in front of the other" over and over. Ten days and I was out of the woods - however, 4 months later I went BACK - can you believe it?? Now I realize you have to take care of the mental part of the addiction as well as the physical so now I'm starting once again this time using the Thomas Recipe and all seasons of the Soprano's. Good luck to you and your friend -life is one big lesson and this one should be talked about with other people so you don't feel so alone.

[LISA GIRL]

Morticia... be proud of yourself for saying no to the meds. What if there was no risk of interaction?. .would you have taken them? When I read your story I tried to think what I would do in that situation.. or Patmamma's..... I will probably think about that all night.. it's interesting.

Part of me says if I had an "excuse" I would definitely have taken the pills..

Part of me says I would think about how long it has taken to get to this point and would refuse them.

I AM going to think about that all night. I'm a pain wuss so if it was REALLY REALLY bad I would take them, no doubt.

But what it it were mildy aggravating but tolerable? hmmmm... wow. That's really going to weigh on my mind tonight. I don't know what I would do. I know what I HOPE I would do.. .but not what I WOULD do.

Hope everyone is doing well. Tammy glad the lower dose is better for you. I think I was making myself very sick by taking it on an empty tummy. I take them right after eating now. Much better. YEAH!

[morticia]

hi Lisa~
how are you doing today? you know i thought about it too, if i didnt have any drug interactions would i have taken the pills? its so hard to say, i mean i was in serious pain, and if my hubby wasnt there it wouldve made the decision harder but to be honest, i dont know what i wouldve done, i really wanted the pills just because at the moment i was in so much pain i mean i was in tears and the doc kept asking me are you sure? and i said no, but knowing how far i had come i really wouldve been hard on myself if i did say yes, i mean i just wouldve been mad at my self and regreted it because i have a guilty concance(sp) and i would have to tell the ppl at NA that i took them, then to go through w/d from them all over again, nah, but i'm so glad i have this forum to keep me going and to stay stronge and plus my hubby made it alot easier to say no, i think you wouldve done the same thing you have come so far what is it you have 35 days or more clean and your definalty a sucess story ,Lisa i look up to you im very ,very proud of you, your doing such a great job, you deserve a keychain and a pat on the back for what you have acomplished heres your pat on the back from me!
hope to hear from you soon take care!
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Clean Date:10/16/06

Just For Today

Luv N Hugs,
Clarkie

[tamara02]

hi, morticia,hope all is well,im ok..I went on meth at a clinic you have to go in every morn. to dose,a real pain,,I was hooked on hydros and wanted to get off and I heard abt. the meth,clinic so I went ,I was taking abt.10 no.10mg hydros a day they started me off on 30 mg. of the meth,it was great no withdrawals,lots of energy felt great,but if you sit still you get real sleepy and crave lots of sweets,thats how i gained 30 lbs.real quik..i stayed in the program for over a year or so they let you go up 5mgs every few days if you needed to and I thought i did,stayed on abt. 90mg for a while then started to detox real slow over a long period,it was horrible,worse w/ds you can go through. so stupid me started to take hydros again to get off the meth,they finally started to take effect ,the meth takes so long to get out of your system,ijust kept eating the hydros,and finally they just didnt work i used them just to get my head off my pillow and function,barely no matter how many i took ,then I heard abt this sub treatment,so hear I am..I physically dont crave the hydros but mentally,yes I would love to have some,but I know I cannot take them,the sub prevents you from taking them,I need to go to n/a meetings have slacked off alil.but I will go,just being lazy..it seems like it will be easier to get off the sub. when its time ,the meth is very strong and I just wanted more and more to feel good,the meth is bad on the bones and teeth,if you use it a long time and high doses.so far the sub.seems okay,both meds made me really constipated,had to take a stoolsoftener daily it helps.it seems the sub. just stops your w/d from the hydros you dont get a buzz or anything just feel normal.take cre talk w/you later tamm

[tincons]

Been lurking for a while, finally decided to join. I am a recovering and frequently relapsing 400-800mg/day oxycodone user. I prefer insufflating 40's or 80's if I can get them, but will suffice with eating handfulls of perks, vikes, darvocet, ultracet, morphine, or whatever I can get for my girlfriend and I so we are not sick. Opiate addiction truly is a vicious cycle, because you have to work to spend all your money on them, but when you have no money or your town is dry, you are so sick that you can't work. We have quit twice on suboxone, but were still regularly taking benzos, for the need to snort something (namely xanax, buspar, and clonazepam especially). Since my recent accident, we have returned to the opioid demons and now I have no job so that = no insurance, and as everyone knows bupe treatment is not cheap. Then again, neither are the oxys, but for the beginning of my habit (which was occuring without the knowledge or consent of my girlfriend, mind you) my boss was a small business owner and paid for 99% of them. We pretty much started together, and it grew into a $500-1000 a day habit. We quit on suboxone together, and wound up with still the need to snort something which turned into us doing atleast 16 grams of coke everyday instead, which is a whole other monster. He effectively snorted his business and family away, and my girlfriend and I dont know what to do these days. I used to have so many connections and made so much money and free pills, and now it seems everone's either in jail or constantly sick from detoxing. Not looking for sympathy, but I'm sure you guys know what we're going through. I can't get them out of my head!

[tamara02]

hi.tincons sorry abt. the situation you are in are you in withdrawals,now? if so how long,since you said you cant afford the sub.treatment,is ther a methadone clinic in your area? the only other way would be cold turkey which sucks but I would check in about the Thomas recipe it eases the w/ds and morticia and some others say that n/a is great for the emotional/mental w/ds.and dealing w/ the cravings.methadone clinic is cheaper they also have meetings,classes you take there.its abt 10-12 dollars per day alot cheaper than the sub.treatment.good luck ,keep us informed,tammy

[morticia]

hi Tincons,
have you all thoought about going to detox? its not as bad as it seems believe me , i got out of detox a month ago for opiate abuse,i thought it meant that they lock u in a room and just left you there and let you go through it cold turkey lol i know that sounds dumb but what did i know
anyway they treated me really nice they gave me meth , valium, vistral,and trazadone for sleep , by the 3rd day i was feeling better i only stayed there for 5 days but you had an option to stay the 28 days if you wanted i think in your case 28 days would be good for you and your girlfriend, have the state pay for it apply for medicaid, while i was there we had nightlty NA/AA meetings which i was so against at the time, but i decided i had to go and i did,
So now i go to NA 3 times a week and i'll tell ya i never met a nicer bunch of ppl they were so inviting i got 2 keychains one for my fist time there and the second for 30 days clean. They will give you all the support you need they understand because everyone is equal there no judgements nothing like that at all and its free.
i donate a $1 but you dont have too.
now im on methadone and i get it from my pain management doc because i have chronic back pain and it helps with that.
also theres clonodine which is used to detox as well and often the detox places use it for w/ds too its a blood pressure lowering med i couldnt be on it because my bp was always low but from what my roomate said it helped her a great deal, she had the clonodine patch.
best of luck too you i hope you feel better soon.
keep us posted.
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Clean Date:10/16/06

Just For Today

Luv N Hugs,
Clarkie

[kdkd81]

I took myself off the lexapro after 2 days of it because it sucked and i do not need meds like that. Question about the anxiety, is it supposed to feel like that withdrawal feeling in your stomach? i hope someone knows what i mean cause i have this almost none stop. its been 11 days since i last had a pill