[kdkd81]

Hmm maybe ill get some if it bothers me tommorow. Iv been ok most of the day so well see.

[tamara02]

hi kdkd,im on sub too,have constipation,like on methadone they tell you to use a stool softener daily and it will work ,also high fiber,tammy

[Pudwink777]

Senekot S or senna tabs are very natural fiber pill for constipation.. work much better than the explosive Colace..the cheap one. Senekot available over the counter..and comp in NY will pay for same if on opiate therapy for pain.

CAN ANYONE HELP ME..BEEN ON THIS FORUM FOR COUPLE OF MTHS..BUT CAN NEVER EMAIL ANYONE DIRECTLY..OR JUMP TO THEIR POST BY CLIKING ON THEIR NAME..SAYS YOU'RE NOT LOGGED ON...COOKIE PROBLEM POSSIBILY BUT I'VE FOLLOWED THE FORUM COOKIE PROTOCOL...OR POSSIBLY EDITORIAL INPUT..I DON'T KNOW..CAN U EMAIL THE EDITORS FOR HELP??? THANKS FOR ANY HELP ANYONE CAN GIVE...

All the best for you,
Paul Remski

Certified Vocational Evaluator and Cognitive Specialist with TBI; 16 yrs chronic pain; opiate therapy, detox experience. Email at PaulRemski@twcny.rr.com

[mpvt]

The board inform us about a month ago that due to a few bad eggs they had to turn off the e-mail.Also the forum is going to go through a bunch of new changes in the near future.......Dave

[AmyBreeze]

Hope everyone is have a great Saturday. I am in Florida, and it's nice. Even cool enough to open the windows, no AC so that's great for my light bill.

I go to my doctor Wednesday, I've been on the suboxone for almost a month and only one relapse, so I guess that's not bad. Or at least as bad as it could be. It's been a hard road and I know it'll get harder. Especially, when I am not on the sub anymore. My doctor says I'll be on it 6-9 months. I just take one day at a time. Some are better than others. I think the biggest thing is I don't know what to do with my time or my thinking. My life, for so long, revolved around pills. Either taking them to do this, or to do that, etc. etc. now it's just life out there. At times I get scared. Not really cravings, just scared of what to do with myself. I am active. I belong to a Harley club and do a lot with them, work is busy, family, yadda, yadda, but it's just scary. But so worth it. Finally, good things are going on too. For instance sleep. I was a person who would get MAYBE 3-4 hours on and off of sleep a night. Now, I go to bed and actually go right to sleep and get up myabe three times. And instead of being wide awake before my alarm goes off, the alarm wakes me up. I sleep in on the weekends, take a nap....things I could never do on the pills. I was always so jacked up and had to go, go, go......

ANYWAY, thanks for reading the rambling.....

It's only been a short while for me, but for all of you who are literally just starting, hang in there it DOES get better and I know it will for me too. As I've said before, I can see a light at the end of the tunnell now, where before there was not one.

Thank you all for you help and for just listening. I know at times none of us have the right answer or even AN answer, but I know y'all listen, and I always will.

Amy [8)]

[morticia]

hi everyone, i havent been posting as much as should i almost had a relapse last night with hubbys pills but i didnt , i decided i didnt want to give up my sobriety cuz i'll be celebrating my 30 day at NA this wednesday, but i had a chat with my hubby and he calmed me down , and we talked i dont have a sponser yet i have phone numbers but i didnt want to bother anybody and of course it was late.
my mom isnt doing to great she has to go have a special test for her lungs she has really bad emphsymia and pulmnaary disease and she can hardly breathe she going into nyc for the test because her regualar doc said he cant do anything for her any more so but the doc said if she catches pnomiona she could die because her lungs are disintergrating, she has a virus right now so i. m really scared and mentally i want a pill but physically i dont so i skipped my morning meeting this morning cuz i was to depressed to get into the car and drive there not that , thats any excuse but i dont know what to do.
i hope all is well with everyone keep up the good work yall,
i have a question im on meth whats the difference betwwen meth and sub with sub are you only on for a short time and it doesnt help for pain and its justy for w/ds? like meth it helps me with the chronic back pain and i heard you pretty much have to stay on it for life is that true? i was just wondering.

take care talk to you soon



Clean Date:10/16/06

Just For Today

Luv N Hugs,
Clarkie

[kdkd81]

At what point will I be able to sleep again, and get my appetite back? Its been 5 days since I have last taken one and I cant sleep at all and eventhough Im hungry, I eat about 1 meal a day around 5 30-6 pm.

[AmyBreeze]

quote:Originally posted by kdkd81

At what point will I be able to sleep again, and get my appetite back? Its been 5 days since I have last taken one and I cant sleep at all and eventhough Im hungry, I eat about 1 meal a day around 5 30-6 pm.

If I remember correctly, you should be getting your appetite back soon. I used to have to make myself eat, now I am back on track. Sleep will return too....KEEP UP the GREAT work KD!!!!

Amy

[AmyBreeze]

quote:Originally posted by morticia

hi everyone, i havent been posting as much as should i almost had a relapse last night with hubbys pills but i didnt , i decided i didnt want to give up my sobriety cuz i'll be celebrating my 30 day at NA this wednesday, but i had a chat with my hubby and he calmed me down , and we talked i dont have a sponser yet i have phone numbers but i didnt want to bother anybody and of course it was late.
my mom isnt doing to great she has to go have a special test for her lungs she has really bad emphsymia and pulmnaary disease and she can hardly breathe she going into nyc for the test because her regualar doc said he cant do anything for her any more so but the doc said if she catches pnomiona she could die because her lungs are disintergrating, she has a virus right now so i. m really scared and mentally i want a pill but physically i dont so i skipped my morning meeting this morning cuz i was to depressed to get into the car and drive there not that , thats any excuse but i dont know what to do.
i hope all is well with everyone keep up the good work yall,
i have a question im on meth whats the difference betwwen meth and sub with sub are you only on for a short time and it doesnt help for pain and its justy for w/ds? like meth it helps me with the chronic back pain and i heard you pretty much have to stay on it for life is that true? i was just wondering.

take care talk to you soon



Clean Date:10/16/06

Just For Today

Luv N Hugs,
Clarkie

GOOD FOR YOU! And that's wonderful on your 30 days!!! I can't wait to stand up in front of my NA group and get that 30 day key chain. Keep it up, you can do it! And keep going back.

My prayers are with you and your family......I can only imagine the strength you have. Keep it up!!!!

Amy

[tennlady9598]

wanted to post this again, in case one of you guys with so much more experience with me wanted to talk or had some advice you guys are great, and soooo much help. Love and prayers, here goes
A very sweet OSAGEWOMAN directed me to this discussion and i want to share with you and see what you think maybe i could do, thanks again, its is GREAT to have a friend out there!!!! Heres the story again, sorry osage, i knowyou already read it!!
I have been taking tramadol, for about 2 years and at my peak, taking up to 30 a day, im at about 15 a day now, this drug scares the hell out of me. I feel like without it, i am not a goo enough person, not as good a lover, mother cook friend, whatever, i will actually cancel events around whether i had enough pills. I have lied to doctors pharamcists family members you name it. I have stolen money from my husband and pawned things to get money for these little "wonders" I am so fully afraid of running out that i get overwhlemed and depressed and think maybe I should just end it all and not have to worry anymore. I have truly thought that before. I would not take mine until nighttime and then take about 20 spaced over 3-5 hours for the High the euphoria, that great feeling. I went to the Dr. today, a new younger one and explained almost exactly what was going on ( i said i was taking about 12 a day) I dont know why i couldnt go all the way telling him but i didnt. He was really nice and understood, of course he wrote me a scrip for 120(no refills() with instructions to taper down(no SPECIFIC) instructions, tho. and i am to gradually introduce neurontin into my system to build up to 300 mg a day of that. How should i taper with only 120 pills left. I am sooooo afraid and would love some advice. I dont really know if i can do this, i am sooooooo DEPENDENT on this drug it is truly terrifying. im not spelling too well today, but can someone help me out, i have lots of the neurontin, and i have about 60 xanax, can anyone give me a REAL plan to follow and help me out of this prison of a bottle? Love to all and prayers to those in my shape,[V]

LOve and prayers to all who are in my shape!!!

[nymommy]

tenlady..i have no taper experience..but can tell you i did the same thing; told my doctor, walked out of the office w/ a script, and no plan..well you know the rest,...i didnt taper, just ate the pills...tapering is very hard when your addicted...VERY HARD...i am currently on suboxone, and it is a very effective drug, i have had no cravings, been on it a month, now starting my taper ( supervised by a doctor)..maybe you can read up on it..i recommend it highly..hope your successful whatever you choose to do.....

[Subnymas]

Hey everyone... I have had a couple of questions I've wanted to ask for a while and I was just searching around this seems like a pretty good place.... Anyway, any doctors, people going through a similar experience or really anyone who would like too, please feel free to reply, or aim, or anything...

Anyway, too the babbling... I'm twenty three years old right now, the general manager for three retail locations for the last four years, and have been addicted to oxycontin for about the last two and a half years... I've proven a few times already to myself that I am not able to just stop... Even though I know that is really the only option I have at this point.

For the last two years or so, I have managed to support a between 8 and 10 eighty mg. pill a day habit. So, like I have said, I've already proven to myself a couple of times that I wouldn't be able to just stop on my own. On Monday of last week I checked myself into a local hospitals detox unit. So anyway, today is day six since I've had any oxy and day two since the detox unit’s meds... As of right now, I am on one hand happy that I've gone as long as I have so far, but on the other, every single muscle in my body feels as if its on fire, my legs are heavy and in constant pain whether I'm walking around or laying with them elevated, and I've got that whole constant anxious feeling going that just about anyone here who has gone through what I'm going through is unfortunately familiar with...

Anyway, I have an appointment with a doctor who does the Suboxone program on Monday... So my question is this... Are there certain requirements that need to be met before being prescribed Suboxone? By Monday it will be one week since I've had any oxy, but during the detox I was given low mg. of methadone, clonadine, and librium... I have read on a few sites that the withdrawal is usually about three to five days, but that is obviously not my case... What I am worried about basically is going to the doctor, and having him tell me that I can't be prescribed the Suboxone because it’s either been to long since I've taken the oxy, or because of the other medications that may or may not still be in my blood stream. Does anyone know if that could be an issue or if I just have too much time on my hands and am coming up with something to worry about out of nothing?

I have one friend on the program for almost two years already that I've asked and he didn't really know, and his answer was to just tell the doctor that the last time I had taken it was the night before... I don't think that’s a great idea because I don’t know if the dosage would be different for someone who has taken 8-10 oxys every day, or someone who hasn't taken in a week...

Thank yahs in advance for anyone who even bothers to read through this whole thing, I apologize and did not intend to right a novel... but as I had said, anyone who has any insight, comments, suggestions, anything please just reply or aim me... Thanks again

[LISA GIRL]

Subnymas.... I don't think you have any concerns as far as the timing or the other drugs from a medical perspective.. however, imo since you are already thru the worst part of w/d... wouldn't it be best just to try to make it without the sub? I am currently on sub and wish I would have gone cold turkey... I did it last year.. it was a week of hell and then it was over. From what I hear the sub w/d is pretty horrendous as well. So why when you have come so far would you want to get on something that you would have to taper off of at a later date? Maybe I'm just a pessimist b/c I have some pretty bad side effects from the sub..but if I were you I would just try to tough it out. If you really want the sub though, I think you will be fine. Good luck whatever you choose and congratulations on how far you have already come! Keep us posted!

p.s. Not sure what you were saying.. your friend has been on which program for 2 years? Suboxone?

[kdkd81]

Is it normal for the body tension to come back on day 5-6. It could just be my mind, but it feels like i want to crawl out of my skin. Not like the first few days its not as painful as that, also iI feel like i have to breath real heavy today, is this normal??

[Subnymas]

quote:Originally posted by kdkd81

Is it normal for the body tension to come back on day 5-6. It could just be my mind, but it feels like i want to crawl out of my skin. Not like the first few days its not as painful as that, also iI feel like i have to breath real heavy today, is this normal??

I know I'm on day six right now, and there is still quite a large amount of body tension, legs are killing me, and still high feelings of anxiety as well... This is my first time through but from what any doctors I've spoken to have told me, even at day six I still probably have a good four or five days left of it to look forward too... Only positive thing is if you pay attention, each area should be improving at least a little bit each day..

[Subnymas]

quote:Originally posted by LISA GIRL

Subnymas.... I don't think you have any concerns as far as the timing or the other drugs from a medical perspective.. however, imo since you are already thru the worst part of w/d... wouldn't it be best just to try to make it without the sub? I am currently on sub and wish I would have gone cold turkey... I did it last year.. it was a week of hell and then it was over. From what I hear the sub w/d is pretty horrendous as well. So why when you have come so far would you want to get on something that you would have to taper off of at a later date? Maybe I'm just a pessimist b/c I have some pretty bad side effects from the sub..but if I were you I would just try to tough it out. If you really want the sub though, I think you will be fine. Good luck whatever you choose and congratulations on how far you have already come! Keep us posted!

p.s. Not sure what you were saying.. your friend has been on which program for 2 years? Suboxone?

Thanks for the reply =) Anyway, the biggest reason I'm looking at the Suboxone is for the mental / psychological part of the whole thing... I can take a week or two of the physical, but what worries me is the thought of going back to work, around friends, and just back to my everyday routine without the painkillers... From what I'm told, the Suboxone should help with my energy level, mood, and some of the other aspects that normally take months to really recover from... Plus, the thought of kind of using it as a crutch for the first month or two when I'm getting back into everything, is a little comforting to have that little safety net. If I know that the oxys wouldn't really work anyway, it would be easier to get myself out of the habit.

And yes, my friend has been on the Suboxone for just over two years now... that seems a little bit excessive to me, but, even after all of this time I don't think he really trusts himself to kind of fly solo if you will =).

Like I said, I'm really thinking to use it for a month or two at most, just to get used to daily life again without revolving around the oxys... In any case, I'll keep yah updated, thanks again =)

[happyandfree]

tennlady9598 I can totally relate to your situation. I am so glad to see you want to do something to help yourself out of the painful situation you are in and get help.

I was taking my Ultram like it was candy. I would get a three month prescription at a time and it would be gone in about ten days[:0]! I was also on Loritab, Flexiril, Fioricet, Xanax, Paxil, & Celebrex. All of this was supplemented by the Oxy's, Vicodin, Ultrcet, Perocets or whatever else I ended up getting from relatives or from whoever was selling it on the streets. But I didn't see I had a problem. My doctor sent me to a pain management specialist who prescribed me Neurontin. I was not up-front about how much of anything I was taking and I was taking everything to excess. I ended up in the emergency room looking like the elephant man with swelling so bad I couldn't walk. I also had several episodes of narcolepsy (I think this is a side-effect of Neurontin - but probably brought on by the excessive amounts of Ultram I was taking with it). None of that slowed me down. When I took those little pills, I felt like I could do all those things in life I could not possibly get through. I don't have a 'weaner' when it comes to pain pills. I had to do it cold turkey, one type of pain pill at a time and I still had w/d with each even though I didn't do them all at once. I can only thank God now for the good friends I found when I was forced to drive my daughter and sit with her (to make sure she attended) at those AA meetings. They could see I needed help - even when I couldn't! When I reached out, they were there each and every step of the way. They saved my life! I've been clean now almost six months and I've got to tell you, life IS good. It continues to get better every day.

Subnymas, I'm so proud of you for taking the first step in your recovery. This 'disease' rests in our minds, not our bodies. It is a good thing that you are concerned about how you will handle life without drugs. I was taking drugs to deal with living life and didn't know how to live life without them. That's where AA helped me out so much. I have quite a few friends that also attend meetings of a group known as Narcotics Anonymous. It is a support group that will help give you the tools you will need to deal with the mental/psychological aspects of your recovery. Please, look them up in your local phone book and check out a meeting in your area.

I'll keep you in my prayers. Keep doing the next right thing!

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[PaulRemski777]

Morticia,

If you are in chronic pain, the physicians have decided to go with methadone, as a "low cost (lower than oxy, hyrdo, et al opiates)option to manage your pain.

Chronic pain is incredibly difficult to manage. I do not want to disappoint you with this post, but methadone is an opiate. If you believe, I am wrong, please ask your pharmacist. I'll assume, not having read all your posts that you go to NA to manage either illegal drugs OR going over your prescribed amt.

Again, unless you get to the origin of your chronic pain, and correct the problem, you will likely stay on methadone. I will again suggest reading [u]</u>The MindBody Prescription by John E Sarno, MD, or any one of his other books, like [u]Healing Back Pain</u>

There are a ton of alternative treatment options but the opiate dependence is an ancillary problem in and of itself.

My prayers r with you.

Kind regards,
Paul

Paul Remski; 16 yrs Chronic back pain patient; 4 wks post detox and returning to work as TBI rehab specialist. Email: PaulRemski@twcny.rr.com

[morticia]

Amy~ thank you for your support and prayers i really appciate it, i know you'll get your 30 day keychain i believe in you that you can do it you'll be suprised how fast a month goes by. I cant believe its almost been a month for me. it went fast. my prayers are with you too

Paul~ i know that meth is an opiate, and the ppl at NA know why i'm on meth and i dont abuse it and i dont do illegal drugs either i go because i am an addict i abused presription pain pills like perks , vikes, OC's davacet ect. i was in detox for 5 days and they detoxed me with meth and valium then they tapered me off, then they suggested to go to pain management and have me re evaluated again so my doc and i talked about meth because it doesnt get you "high" and when i was on meth in the detox it really helped my back so i asked my doc if he could try me on it and it works i'm only on 20 mgs 10 mg in the morning and then 10mgs before bed.
thanks for the advice on the book, but i'm doing just fine thank you, i go once a month to my pain doc and 4 times a week to NA . i finally got my life back without those damn pills.
thank you for very much for your prayers i appraiate it.
[:I]

Clean Date:10/16/06

Just For Today

Luv N Hugs,
Clarkie

[patmamma]

Hey everyone! I am ju5t wante to check in a5 it ha5 been a few an I feel like talkin about my 5ituation. I took my la5t one ye5teray, an I am unfortunately 5till in ain, an I am not in a very fortunate 5ituation becau5e I have 5uch a ba hi5tory of u5in, that I ont feel comfortable 5eein a octor, an tellin him I nee 5omethin, becau5e they wont believe me. I ue55 I only have my own hi5tory to blame, but I have foun my5elf in the unfortunate o5ition of havin to 5uffer thru. (to tho5e of you who ont know, I ha a water accient with my keyboar, an that i5 why there are mi55in letter5 in my writin.) To al5o brin you u to ate, I ha tooth 5urery calle an aicoectomy, it i5 where they actually o in an remove the aex of the effecte teeth an relace them with fillin5. It i5 ue to a cyclin accient a year ao when I knocke out teeth on the avement at 15 mile5/hr.

Anyway, I feel like with a o5itive mental attitue, I can beat thi5. I am al5o 5tartin all over aain from beatin thi5 before col turkey. 5o, toay i5 the fir5t ay, an it wa5 rouh! I am at a ay an a half from my la5t ill, an I feel a bit 5haky, but not too ba. It i5 the ain that 5uck5! Thi5, an al5o my broken le. They now are concerne that I tore my ACL. I have an MRI 5cheule, an I will have to ju5t wait an 5ee. 5o think about me, an wi5h me luck, I am 5tartin all over aain, but thi5 time with ain, an I have to work on my feet all ay. [xx(]
atmamma

[kdkd81]

How long does it take for the anxiety to go away. I feel like I cant breath alot and feel like I may pass out and/or break out in tears.

[tamara02]

hi lisagirl, I read where your having bad side effectsw/ the sub.im still on 16 mg. per day on day 11, im not craving the hydros at all but dont have the get up and go attitude still,im just glad im not dealing w/ any withdrawals,thats the scary part,how are you doing on the sub? tammy

[tamara02]

hi patmamma and hi morticia ,havent been on my pc much ,hope you all are doing great,love ya,tammy

[unclenasty93]

kdkd81,

you're asking the wrong questions. No one can tell you "how long" it takes for things like anxiety to go away, because it is all individual. Some people may feel anxious for a couple days, some may feel anxious for the first year. A lot of the physical symptoms of withdrawl and early recovery are the same for most, but not the mental. You will have anxiety as long as you will have it, and that is the best answer anybody could give you. Now, there are ways to manage anxiety such as excercise, meditation, counseling, psychiatry, medication, prayer, talking to people, journaling, hobbies, but it isn't something that can be generalized. For me, hitting the gym and hitting it hard is how I manage anxiety. Physical exertion or excercise of any kind will help you a ton! Good luck, I can relate to your struggles and I would like to help if I can.

peace. mike.

[abey042000]

Mort~

I know that u are proud of urself for quitting the vics,percs ect...BUT,

You have to realize though that ur NOT CLEAN! Being clean is being clean of any opiate/substances. All's you have here is exchange one drug for another, and let me add...a very powerful drug. Thats why u have no craving for the other meds, because meth is an opiate. Obviously, thats why u had no wd.

Also,
U dont have to be a lifer on m'done. There are alot of people that have taken it temporaryily. To give u a heads up.....M'done is ALOT harder to detox from then any other narcotic you've ever ingested.

I would like you to do some googling for meth. Read up on it.

[LISA GIRL]

Tammy... have you tried cutting back on your sub dose? I did today.. broke the pills in 1/2 and have only had a total of 2 mg and i feel sooo much better. I think I was taking less in the beginning when I was feeling better and believe when I went up to 6-8 mg is when I started feeling like ****. I am going to try taking no more than 4 mg a day and see if that helps with the side effects.


KD.. U.N. is right about the individuality of symptoms but for me it lasted a couple of weeks.. I think I posted how I was very depressed (this is when I went cold turkey first time I quit) and would just feel very sad and start crying for no reason. Then one day it was just gone (the depression) Of course that doesn't mean that is how it will happen for you, just letting you know of my experience. Hope you feel better.

[LISA GIRL]

Oh and hey Patmamma! Almost missed ya...sorry to hear about your poss torn acl...

Good luck getting back on the painkiller wagon ..we're rooting for ya!

p.s how's that new keyboard coming? lol I miss the "g"s....the s is ok but having problems with some of the other missing letters!

[kdkd81]

I do have ocd tendencys such as doing things twice and in even numbers as well as horrible thoughts such as dying, growing old, scared of the future, all stuff like that which seems as though i have ocd. I told my spine specialist about this and he explained to me that it was probably the reason i was taking so much pain medication eventhough i have a chronic back problem. This extreme anxiety and depression, yes i do just break out in tears, may be brought on by the fact that i used the perks to tone down my ocd as well. I am going to see my family physician tommorow and begin treatment for ocd which i am almost positive i have. Does anyone have any specific medications they suggest for this as well as how long one can take them? I do not feel like getting addicted to another pill. Until I see my dr I have been given xanax 1mg by my pain management dr, but it put me to sleep in less then 45 mins. Is this normal?

[LISA GIRL]

KD... Lazer who used to post a lot on this thread has OCD... you might check for some of his posts to see what he was on.. he talked a lot about his ocd and his different medications.

You know KD for as long as I remember I have had obsessive thoughts about the future, getting old, dying... people would say I was morbid but I thought about it constantly! I remember having those same feelings when I was in college and I'm almost 40 now! I never even considered OCD... I don't think I have other 0C behavior but it is an interesting thought.

No idea if it is normal for xanax to put you to sleep in 45 minutes..maybe so or maybe you are just so exhausted from the w/d and the worry that it worked quickly. ...?

[patmamma]

Hey!
I am on my husband's computer, and I have my s,g,and p's back[]. I am not very happy today, I had to break down and get another rx for percocets, and ended up taking two 5mg pills today. I just couldnt take the pain in my tooth and leg another minute! I only got 10 pills though, so I will soon be off of them again, and I know you all are there, and I swear that really helps. I hope you all have not written me off as back on these little demons, but I had the hardest time recovering from this bone removing tooth surgery.....I might be more physically sensitive as an athelete, but it is very hard for me to recover from accidents and surgery.

I just want to go on and on now that I have all of my letters! Woo hoo![:0]
I hope you all are doing well. I figure that this weekend I will be back in the no pill zone again, and before long, feeling better and ready to roll.

I wonder if Kaidog is gone for good. He must have succeeded and flown away...If you are reading this Kaidog, write for heaven's sake!

KDKD, the depression was for me, part of the withdrawls, and only lasted a couple of weeks, but take heart, it was only here and there, not constant.

Okay, all good things must come to an end. Until I get my keyboard, I will only try to write with this computer, so you all wont be tortured!

Li5a, (tee hee), you have cracked my code of missing letters!
Patmamma