[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by batss

although i seems to be sweating a little more since taking it, which is kind of scaring me. im scared of this drug lol

What time did you take the 4mg? You're obviously still in w/d.

[Robert_325]

I just saw where you said it's been an hour. Go ahead and take another 4mg right now and post back in 45 minutes. I want to get you straightened out TONITE!!! Don't freak out, you'll be okay. God bless.

[batss]

i think its getting worse i think i ********ed myself

[Robert_325]

Did you take any more like I said to do???

[batss]

yes i took more but im bottoming out. im losing it

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by batss

yes i took more but im bottoming out. im losing it

You've got two choices at this point. Either you blow this off or you stick it out and take suboxone to get you stabilized. You've been doing serious drugs and in large quantities. So you're likely going to have to take more sub than most to stabilize.

If it were me I would take another 8mg right now. I'm serious ... then post back to me in 30 minutes. I'm doing a Bible study as we speak so if I don't get right back that is why. But you've started this, now you need to follow through or you're right back to square one. I would take 8mg more right now.

[Robert_325]

Guys ... it's been almost an hour and I haven't heard a word.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by batss

yes i took more but im bottoming out. im losing it

I politely asked you to post back to me in 30 minutes because I care about what happens to you guys and the other people here. That was an hour ago. I've been trying to help you for two days.

Hey guys! I don't work here, I do this to help people and I do it for FREE. It's rude to leave me waiting here at pushing 11:00 at night and not even replying back like I asked when I'm trying to help you. You guys aren't even online to reply.

I have a life too. I have a girlfriend too. I've had enough of this for tonight. All I can tell you is blow off the subs or else take enough to stop the w/d. I'm crashing as I've been doing this since this morning and I can't even get a reply. I think that I deserve better than this. I wish you the best. Good night and God bless.

[batss]

man how can you expect a sick person to be punctual. i went thru a lot of pain last nigght and have taken way more sub than i thought i would. im starting to get better. i would love to sleep tonight. i wouldnt call myself stable. like 70%. thank you for your time, you did help

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by batss

man how can you expect a sick person to be punctual. i went thru a lot of pain last nigght and have taken way more sub than i thought i would. im starting to get better. i would love to sleep tonight. i wouldnt call myself stable. like 70%. thank you for your time, you did help

So do you think that you're the ONLY person who ever went through pain doing this? I've done it too and so have most all the others here. But people here try to show a little respect for each other.

You came here and searched ME out to help YOU. I was more than happy to do that. Then you just blow me off .... that has nothing to do with you being sick. That is plain and simple being rude.

I hope you sleep tonight too. I will definitely sleep as I won't be up till midnight tonight waiting on someone to reply to me so I can make sure they're okay. You need to learn some consideration for people who are trying to help you save your life dude! God bless.

[batss]

ive shown you the utmost respect. i put my life in your hands. i didnt even see your post til you had made both of them and when i did it was at like 3 am because i was too sick to get on the computer. man youre acting like i snubbed you on purpose. that was just it. i was too sick

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by batss

ive shown you the utmost respect. i put my life in your hands. i didnt even see your post til you had made both of them and when i did it was at like 3 am because i was too sick to get on the computer. man youre acting like i snubbed you on purpose. that was just it. i was too sick

I've felt kind of badly about having to stay away from you and this thread for the last day and I have to explain why I got so upset with you. I don't know you, you don't know me. But I take this forum very seriously. LOTS of days I post here over 30 times a day. And my replies are usually multiple paragraphs about intense subject matter. My posts are the kind that take a long time to write.

That night you blew me off I had been on this silly forum from 7:00 in the morning until after midnight! Count the hours dude! And I do this for nothing except what personal satisfaction I receive helping people. I'm not complaining nor do I want a trophy. I just want you to understand where I'm coming from.

Look at the main page where all the thread titles are listed and see how many of them are addressed to me specifically. I've got so many people after me each day that I simply don't have time for people who disappear on me when I'm sitting up in the middle of the night trying to help them save their life. I'm not trying to be dramatic but that's the bottom line. At least 1/3 of all the posts hitting this forum are to me. It's gotten to the point where it's like running a full-time company or something ... and I've got my own problems too along with having a girlfriend, a family, my church, my life.

I NEVER say NO to anyone. I will help anybody who needs help period. But saying you are too sick to reply to me doesn't cut it. It's not a good excuse. WHAT ABOUT MY FEELINGS??? It's rude and totally uncaring for someone who's doing all they can do to help you .... besides the other mass of people who are all writing me at the same time. So I've had to take the policy that if you don't follow up with me as I ask you to I don't have the time to mess with you. It's nothing personal, it's just the way it has to be. I can only spread myself so thin. I can't be chasing anyone around trying to get them to reply.

I sat up here that night waiting on you specifically for two hours before I finally went to bed because I was worried about you. And you didn't even bother to post again until almost lunch time the next day. I don't care how sick you were, there was NO excuse for that, IF you expect me to help. I can't just be at people's beckon call whenever they decide they're ready to talk to me while we're in the middle of a sub induction coming off firing speedballs day and night.

You don't owe me anything, you are NOT obligated to me for anything. But I am just TOO busy here to have to chase people down. There aren't enough hours in the day for me to do that. Some people may think I have a bad attitude or whatever .... so be it. But I can still only get to so many places in one day. I have to work with the people who are being cooperative.

I don't want to blow you off. I want you to be successful. You're probably totally pissed at me by now. If that is the case I'm sorry. But if you still want my help and you will communicate with me as we agree that you will then I'm available. It's up to you. I don't have any hard feelings and I hope you don't either after you think about what I've said. But I have to make my time here count. I have to work with a lot of people so I must have rules or else I will be run into the ground. I'll end up just getting burned out at this and checking it in and not helping anyone. Think about it. I'm not being unreasonable, I'm just being realistic. Hope you understand and there's no hard feelings. I can only do the best I can. God bless.

[Mikhail Tomasovic]

batss good luck man it sounds like you made it through the night... i think we call speedball different here, but if it is what i think it is... i know a little of what you are feeling. and Robert, God must have decided some of us needed an angel to get through our days... you are truly great man. i would love some help myself after batss is good to go. God Bless both of y'all.

[batss]

Sorry but we got our lives too. We're taking a big step, and it's very difficult for us right now. Especially considering where we were coming from.
I know you have a life too, and I'm asking for your help, yes, but I don't expect you to give up yours in any way to accomodate to mine. Were stabalizing now, and relearning how to cope with life and relearning how to live pretty much.
I had no idea that you were waiting on us. I feel bad about that, and I'm sorry, but you can't really blame us. We NEVER asked for you to be there right away. We never expected you to take out any of your valuable time on us. Just attend to us when you have the time.
We've lowered to about 6-8mg a day, doe that sound about right? We're a bit achey, but our minds are getting clearer and things are really starting to get better. We've been trying our hardest during the days doing things, and going out occasionally. We also have plans to start excercising more. I have ballet, where as Anthony can work out in the gym. I think, with how were feeling now, we can do that by Tuesday. Cause thats when I have ballet class. So anything between now and then do you think might help get more energy and help our acheyness and stiffness? Like vitamins and such?
I don't want to be held responsible for your time, so please only get to us when you have the time to do so.
Thank you.
-Saviera

[Mikhail Tomasovic]

congratulations Saviera it sounds like you are one your way and on Easter Sunday, how appropriate! God Bless, i am sure Robert will give his input soon enough.

sincerely and respectfully,
Mikhail

[MidnightDevil]

Hey dude, congrats on your decision and sticking with it I'm very proud, you and your girlfriend should be too! I know isn't easy at all to come out of such addiction, but it will turn you into a much stronger person!

Congrats, and keep up

[batss]

hey, anthony here. i need some follow up advice. my life is coming back =) savi and i had a picnic at the park with her bunny and some awesome mexican food. it felt amazing to get out. i saw what i was missing. the world was passing us by and i didnt even know it. im going to make up for lost time starting now. its like being reborn. life is an amazing thing

i need to know where to go now. when should i lower my dose and by how much? i need to find out soon. i need advice on how to talk to my doctor again. my suboxone is starting to run out. i dont know if my doctor will take me seriously. the last time i talked to him was at the very beginning of February. i didnt do it right last time. it must true what they say. if youre not inducted properly, youre going to have problems. i was only on subs for one week the last time i tried to do this. then i bailed on the doctor. now i dont know if he'll take me seriously or give me anymore scripts. but i do need more subs or i will run out and be back on dope. is there any way to prove to him that i am not on heroin, but i am on subs? he could think that i cleaned up completely and am just trying to get subs to sell on teh street. its not likely, i dont have insurance. im going to need more subs to do this right. but this time around, ive done it without the doctor. so he hasnt had the chance to give instructions and i dont want him to make up new ones now. i just need more suboxone. i hope he gives it to me.

ill work on getting the subs, i need someone to help me make a plan on what to do with it. last time around i tried to just take as little as possible, and i think this time i will be more successful sticking to a stable program. damn that was long winded. what i mean is:

now what? o.O
i know robert has been pressed for time. musicman or melinda, anyone really, i need a plan. thank you in advance. im really trying and wanting to be successful. but i need help, i dont want to get in over my head, without the proper knowledge.

thank you in advance,
anthony

PS - im looking for someone to speak to in confidence. does this site do private messages? i can do email. i need to talk to someone who has switched from harder opiates to suboxone in the past or is currently on subs from harder opiates. anyone who doesnt mind answering some questions that are embarassing to ask. must be male. thank you

[batss]

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/238/newlife.jpg



this is us in our new life without drugs. its a lot happier than it used to be. wish us luck this time! ^^

[MidnightDevil]

Lovely pic good to know both of u are doing great! Robert is a wonderfull soul helping us out isnt he? We're very lucky!

Enjoy life

[JnA]

Originally Posted by batss

im still hurting pretty bad. its an hour since starting should i go with another hald pill?

I wouldn't take another if you can wait for Robert to get back and tell you excatly what to do! See if you can lay down and sleep for a few hours till Robert get's back! You might not want to mess it up by doing more than needed! Be careful and good luck!!

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by batss

hey, anthony here. i need some follow up advice. my life is coming back =) savi and i had a picnic at the park with her bunny and some awesome mexican food. it felt amazing to get out. i saw what i was missing. the world was passing us by and i didnt even know it. im going to make up for lost time starting now. its like being reborn. life is an amazing thing

i need to know where to go now. when should i lower my dose and by how much? i need to find out soon. i need advice on how to talk to my doctor again. my suboxone is starting to run out. i dont know if my doctor will take me seriously. the last time i talked to him was at the very beginning of February. i didnt do it right last time. it must true what they say. if youre not inducted properly, youre going to have problems. i was only on subs for one week the last time i tried to do this. then i bailed on the doctor. now i dont know if he'll take me seriously or give me anymore scripts. but i do need more subs or i will run out and be back on dope. is there any way to prove to him that i am not on heroin, but i am on subs? he could think that i cleaned up completely and am just trying to get subs to sell on teh street. its not likely, i dont have insurance. im going to need more subs to do this right. but this time around, ive done it without the doctor. so he hasnt had the chance to give instructions and i dont want him to make up new ones now. i just need more suboxone. i hope he gives it to me.

ill work on getting the subs, i need someone to help me make a plan on what to do with it. last time around i tried to just take as little as possible, and i think this time i will be more successful sticking to a stable program. damn that was long winded. what i mean is:

now what? o.O
i know robert has been pressed for time. musicman or melinda, anyone really, i need a plan. thank you in advance. im really trying and wanting to be successful. but i need help, i dont want to get in over my head, without the proper knowledge.

thank you in advance,
anthony

PS - im looking for someone to speak to in confidence. does this site do private messages? i can do email. i need to talk to someone who has switched from harder opiates to suboxone in the past or is currently on subs from harder opiates. anyone who doesnt mind answering some questions that are embarassing to ask. must be male. thank you

Anthony .... Sub drs are used to dealing with addicts. Just tell the truth, that you messed up but that you have a few days under your belt and you are serious this time. It's not the dr's job to morally judge you. He will write you a script I'm almost positive.

So tell me exactly what you guys have been taking the last few days and we can make a plan from there. Is it 6mg or 8mg? You should stay at the dose you are at for about another 6-7 days, then we can start to reduce your dose by 25% every four days. I will answer personal questions off the forum. Email me. God bless.

[batss]

Yesterday was a bit stressful for me. I wasn't sure what my plan is and I know once I get a plan I have to stick to it. Yesterday we took 8 mg. The two days before that we took 6 mg. At 6 mg I feel slight discomfort but I think I can do that dose. I think I'll decide after today. If I can make it through today fine at 6 mg, I'll use that as my dose. If I need 8 mg today, I'll just use that as a start point. I just want to stick to whatever I decide and take it the same time everyday. I need to call my doctor soon because he only sees people a few days a week and I don't want to run out while waiting for my appointment.

What's your email address Robert? You're sure you don't mind some personal questions?

Thanks in advance,
Anthony

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by batss

Yesterday was a bit stressful for me. I wasn't sure what my plan is and I know once I get a plan I have to stick to it. Yesterday we took 8 mg. The two days before that we took 6 mg. At 6 mg I feel slight discomfort but I think I can do that dose. I think I'll decide after today. If I can make it through today fine at 6 mg, I'll use that as my dose. If I need 8 mg today, I'll just use that as a start point. I just want to stick to whatever I decide and take it the same time everyday. I need to call my doctor soon because he only sees people a few days a week and I don't want to run out while waiting for my appointment.

What's your email address Robert? You're sure you don't mind some personal questions?

Thanks in advance,
Anthony

Anthony ... I want you to be stable. That's very important! So just go with the 8mg for now, that's not a high dose to start out with especially the way all this has gone down for you all.

Plan on staying at 8mg for another few days. Let's get your meds refilled, get comfortable at 8mg, then we can start you tapering in a short time. But just stay at 8mg for right now would be my suggestion.

If you've got something personal to discuss you can click on my screen name and email me directly through this forum. Then I will email you back at your email address. God bless.

[magsj]

Originally Posted by batss

Yesterday was a bit stressful for me. I wasn't sure what my plan is and I know once I get a plan I have to stick to it. Yesterday we took 8 mg. The two days before that we took 6 mg. At 6 mg I feel slight discomfort but I think I can do that dose. I think I'll decide after today. If I can make it through today fine at 6 mg, I'll use that as my dose. If I need 8 mg today, I'll just use that as a start point. I just want to stick to whatever I decide and take it the same time everyday. I need to call my doctor soon because he only sees people a few days a week and I don't want to run out while waiting for my appointment.

What's your email address Robert? You're sure you don't mind some personal questions?

Thanks in advance,
Anthony

Dear Bat-

Congratulations to both of you! Your on you way! I am about where both of you are (was on methadone and norco) dropping my suboxone from 8mg to 6 mg today AFTER staying at 8 mg for about 2 weeks, so I am no expert.

I sense that you are very anxious about things (I can understand that the way things started) and very concerned about getting your dosing right, etc. PLEASE, get your suboxone refilled (if you are truthfull with the doctor I, too, truly think he will give you another script) and then take some time to relax! Be proud of yourselves for getting where you are, enjoy yourselves for 10 days or so. We will all be around to support you. JUST BE SURE TO FOLLOW ROBERT'S INSTRUCTIONS AND DON'T STRAY FROM THEM and you guys will do great.

I'll check in from time to time since were tapering from about the same dose )

mags

[batss]

how do you feel mags? arent you the one who had the accident? are you getting better? good luck to you as well with your taper. i need to get ahold of my doctor soon. ill call today. 8 mg does sound like a good place to be. the reason we've been trying to do 6 is only because we dont want to run out. i need to get on that

[batss]

oh right, i dunno if i mentioned this earlier, but i have a prescription from 2-4-09. could i get that filled maybe?

[batss]

see, the thing that worries me about the doctor is, hes going to give me a drug test. hes going to see that theres no heroin in there. how can i prove that im taking suboxone like im supposed to, that i even need it. theres no test to see if youre on suboxone is there? also, from the last time i tried to do this, i owe him 45 dollars for me and 45 for savi. i cant pay that debt or i will have no money for the pills themselves. i just hope he can cut me a break, let me get my pills, and pay him when i can

[Robert_325]

Absolutely YES they can test you and see if you're taking the suboxone. They can do a UA if they use the right test which they know I promise you. I don't know what to say about your financial situation with the dr. You'll have to work out that one. Good luck and God bless.

[batss]

if he's a decent person, he'll let me slide on that debt. because im not going to pay him until i can. theres no way im going to just go see him, give him all my money, and not get the pills i need. infact, i probably wont be able to afford the whole prescription. ive heard that pharmacies can partially fill a presciption, and only give you what you can afford. i have 2 discount cards from last time too. if he wont give me another script i can still go to cvs as a last resort. they have a bottle of subutex i never picked up that will be there for 6 months they said. but i dont want to have to use that option. subutex is so expensive @.@ hopefully i can just get more suboxone. and what do you think about trying to drop off that script i already have. i dont think they'll let me because its old. theres not an expiration date on it, but i just dont think they'll give it to me.

thanks for all the advice robert, ill email you probably tomorrow. i dont know if the thing im worried about (the personal thing) will be an issue. if it is ill let you know

-Anthony

[Robert_325]

If I had a prescription that could be picked up without having to pay the dr and I was out of money I think that I would pick up the existing script and see the dr later. There will be a record of you picking up the script so he'll know you're on it. I wouldn't deal with him until I had to if it were me and I was financially strapped. Just a thought.

The pharmacy won't refill your suboxone script unless it has refills without calling the dr first for approval. He will either agree and refill it or make you come in first. I don't know your dr and how he will respond to that. God bless.