Multiple narc scripts one month, flagged?

[StagerNJ]

Hello:
I am in N.J.. been living with chronic pain for several years. Been trying to get an appt. with a pain management doc with no response.
Does anyone know if NJ has a database by name?
In late September, early October I rec'd 15 percocet for a broken foot. A week later I rec'd the same # of Vicodin for a legit toothache. I filled them at two diff pharms. I also had an open script for Talwin NX at my regular pharmacy.
Is it possible this doctor ran my name somehow and that one week overlap showed up? I've never spoken to anyone in the office, just left my # for a call back.
Clearly the overriding problem is filling the two scripts for cash. Dealing with that. I don't even want narcs from this doc, just want to get seen.
Am I somehow blackballed now?
Thanks and apologies if this is not appropriate.

[tired2]

Hello:
I am in N.J.. been living with chronic pain for several years. Been trying to get an appt. with a pain management doc with no response.
Does anyone know if NJ has a database by name?
In late September, early October I rec'd 15 percocet for a broken foot. A week later I rec'd the same # of Vicodin for a legit toothache. I filled them at two diff pharms. I also had an open script for Talwin NX at my regular pharmacy.
Is it possible this doctor ran my name somehow and that one week overlap showed up? I've never spoken to anyone in the office, just left my # for a call back.
Clearly the overriding problem is filling the two scripts for cash. Dealing with that. I don't even want narcs from this doc, just want to get seen.
Am I somehow blackballed now?
Thanks and apologies if this is not appropriate.

Hi Stager,
The pharmacies do file a report with the DEA whenever anyone fills a script for narcotics.It doesn't sound like you have made this a habit and paying cash is not a crime.I wouldn't worry about being blackballed just b/c the doctors office didn't call back.It is the end of the year and many people are trying to get their appointments before the New Year!!Also many doctors go on vacations for the holidays!!So I'd just give them a call back till you get a hold of someone.
Good luck,
Pam

[StagerNJ]

Thanks, Pam. Clearly having the three scripts was a bad idea.
My primary hasn't mentioned anything and just refilled my Talwin. The pharmacy processed the refill without issue.
I guess I became paranoid when I realized what I had done. I am not even sure the scripts overlapped.
So your best guess is that they're not flagging me?

[StagerNJ]

I also thought having three open scripts for scheduled drugs would flag me. the Talwin is Schedule IV. I also thought, as this doc is pain management, they may routinely run names through a database. I guess that's paranoia, because they don't have anything but my name.

[tired2]

I also thought having three open scripts for scheudled drugs would flag me. the Talwin is Schedule IV.

I still wouldn't worry it's not like you are going to ask for more pills you just want a visit.If this is a new doctor and you have yet to see him I don't see why he would check on you.Like I said it is the end of the year and I'd just call back.What do you have to loose.Just be honest with the doctor should he say anything.I never heard of Talwin and just looked up it up and due to the fact it has Naloxone you shouldn't be able to take any opiates.The Naloxone is what is in the Suboxone which is the drug many of us here on the forum have used to beat opiate addiction.
You may have to sign something stating that you will not see another doctor for narcotics while under his care which is common practice.Many p/m doctor are also doing random urine test.My prior p/m doctor started doing them to monitor their patients while perscribing narcotics.I did ask my p/m for a copy of the test and lets just say it was very detailed urine test.I was tested for everything from pot to h.

[StagerNJ]

I never heard of Talwin and just looked up it up and due to the fact it has Naloxone you shouldn't be able to take any opiates.The Naloxone is what is in the Suboxone which is the drug many of us here on the forum have used to beat opiate addiction.

Thank you again. I didn't take the percocet and talwin concurrently.

I can't figure out why the office won't return my calls. I assumed it had something to do with my prescriptions. I imagine, if anything, my primary doc and regular pharmacy would've been notified.

[tired2]

Thank you again. I didn't take the percocet and talwin concurrently.

I can't figure out why the office won't return my calls. I assumed it had something to do with my prescriptions. I imagine, if anything, my primary doc and regular pharmacy would've been notified.

Stager,
No problem...That's a good thing that you don't take any opiate while taking the Talwin.The Naloxone would cancel out any effects of an opiate not to mention make you sick.Why did you start taking the Talwin??This is the first I ever heard of the drug but hey I'm sure there are many I have yet to hear off.
Just remember it is the end of the year and the holidays!!!If anyone would have been contacted it would have been the prescribing doctors and the pharmacies!!

[Rangers]

Stager,
illegal scrips have become a popular topic around here. I have been thru it myself and lost many sleepless nights. Read my thread on the other forum, need to talk on page 5. The country is now centralizing controlled substances as the DEA now has a very large data base. All pharmacies must now forward info from the scrip you have filled. They must forward them 1 week from the date filled. Also, Dr.s can now participate in this program, where they just put in a password and can see if their patients have been Dr. Shopping. I was flagged, got some great input from people here, came clean with my pain man doc. Appologized and he is still treating me. Good luck cause it is not worth breaking the law for pills. The DEA can knock at your door if they want to. Our government is taking this very seriously. Best of luck
Ranger

[StagerNJ]

Thanks, Ranger.
1. Specifically, I broke my foot and was scripted 15 percs by my podiatrist. Legit break, documented.
2. A week later I saw my dentist and was scripted 15 Tylenol 3 for an abscess. Xrayed and documented.
I filled them for cash because I had an open script for Talwin, which contains an opiod agonist. My pharmacy can be difficult and I didn't want any issues with them. I should simply have been honest.
I spoke with my primary this morning. The reason the pain mgt doc's office had not returned my call is because they don't take my insurance.
In any event, he is going to reevalaute my meds and do what is needed. I told him that, at this point, I much preferred everything going through him. He knows my primary pharmacy and he knows my history.
Many thanks for directing me to your thread. Lesson learned.

[Rangers]

Dear StagerNJ,
you definitely made the right choice. We all know deep down inside that "Honesty is the best policy", but sometimes we choose to do stupid things. I am a firm believer, that even when we do something criminaly wrong, (killing not included) LOL we are still good people. Afterall, God don't make junk!
Ranger

[doc.rose]

Thanks, Ranger.
1. Specifically, I broke my foot and was scripted 15 percs by my podiatrist. Legit break, documented.
2. A week later I saw my dentist and was scripted 15 Tylenol 3 for an abscess. Xrayed and documented.
I filled them for cash because I had an open script for Talwin, which contains an opiod agonist. My pharmacy can be difficult and I didn't want any issues with them. I should simply have been honest.
I spoke with my primary this morning. The reason the pain mgt doc's office had not returned my call is because they don't take my insurance.
In any event, he is going to reevalaute my meds and do what is needed. I told him that, at this point, I much preferred everything going through him. He knows my primary pharmacy and he knows my history.
Many thanks for directing me to your thread. Lesson learned.

Stager, you might have legitimate reasons to get the scripts, but what made it illegal was not telling the doc that the week before you had a script filled for a narcotic. That is why it's called doctor shopping. In your eyes it all seems legit, but it really isn't. Its doesn't matter if it is documented that you have an actual injury, you still neglected to tell the doctor about the script from the week before.

[2liveis2fly]

Stager, you might have legitimate reasons to get the scripts, but what made it illegal was not telling the doc that the week before you had a script filled for a narcotic. That is why it's called doctor shopping. In your eyes it all seems legit, but it really isn't. Its doesn't matter if it is documented that you have an actual injury, you still neglected to tell the doctor about the script from the week before.

Sounds to some of us like "your not sufficiently frightened (yet) to just endure and live with whatever pain issues you have, high opiate tolerance, history of abuse or whatever. Now go find a place to suffer, a place with thick walls so as to not disturb your neighbors (a floor drain would be a real bonus)". Please forgive the sarcasm, good luck and may God Bless you and your loved ones, "heck,,, Lord Please bless us and help us all.

[doc.rose]

Sounds to some of us like "your not sufficiently frightened (yet) to just endure and live with whatever pain issues you have, high opiate tolerance, history of abuse or whatever. Now go find a place to suffer, a place with thick walls so as to not disturb your neighbors (a floor drain would be a real bonus)". Please forgive the sarcasm, good luck and may God Bless you and your loved ones, "heck,,, Lord Please bless us and help us all.

Im confused by your response 2liveis2 fly. the Original poster posted this over 6 months ago, so I doubt he/she will ever see your response.

[2liveis2fly]

Im confused by your response 2liveis2 fly. the Original poster posted this over 6 months ago, so I doubt he/she will ever see your response.

Hello doc.rose, I'm new to how forums and posting work. I usually just gather info and keep my 2 cents to myself, leave it at that. After a recent doctor apt. I was taken off my meds. and to make a long story short, my posting was in frustration. I hope others will find my responce, through the forum, via keyword or other search. I hope it'll furnish them with another view, or get them asking some different questions ie. How are drugs effecting our very freedoms/privacy? Is it ethical for a Doctor to manage some patients, ones he may doubt they're honesty, truthfulness, with take as directed med dosing directions (say so he can monitor compliance) instead of normal directions they're normally dispenced with (prn)? Not just opiates, but adhd meds., specifically Adderal. Correct me if I'm wrong but don't small amounts (5-10mgs.) adderal remain detectable in urine for only 24-48 hrs?