[pill-layer]

I spoke with a doctor today and Got on a 6 week SUBOXONE treatment program including 4 classes and 3 na/aa meetings a week .....their program is above 70% success and here in TN they cant prescribe Suboxone without a program to go with it.

ANYWAY.....I was speaking with the councellor today and he told me that this clinic wont treat anyone on methadone until they have weened off for a few days , because the danger is too high for the patient to die from the combonation of the Sub. and the Methadone.

She also told me that she hasnt seen anyone come off the methadone .....and that the withdawl she has seen from the patients is PURE HELL she said that in almost every case in all her years .....it was an absolute night mare, she also said that she would reccomend that a person never go that route for treatment . Also that the methadone gets so much into a persons sytem that it even gets into their bones, to me it was a really enlightening and scary conversation..... SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY ON THIS? OPINIONS? FACTS FROM YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE? OR JUST ANY GENERAL DICUSSING ON THE MATTER?ANY EXPERIENCES YOU HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED FROM A FRIEND OR LOVE ONE?

[zippysgoddess]

My husband, and I, watched a show on addiction, and Methadone clinics, it was awful, they also made sure to clearly point out at the end of the show, that 98% of their patients had to stay on a maintenance dose of Methadone for life, they could never entirely get off it.

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[mpvt]

Methadone is for hardcore addicts and not addicts that have been abusing for a couple of years.That's why buprenorphene is so important.It's going to help alot of people....Dave

[justin278]

i reasonently started sub. when i was talking to my doc about the benefits of sub vs methadone, he said methadone is the devil.. my doc has many certifications in addiction etc.. any way he said if he received a methadone patient he would switch them to a morphine like substance untill methadone was well out of their system then switch to suboxone. in his experience he said methadone is truely the hardest drug to get someone off of, even harder then heroin, plus methadone has been around since the 60s , i'd say lets use the new meds (suboxone) as they are much better for maintence and becoming drug free

[ironhorse]

I was on methadone for eight years for chronic pain and it was effective at reliefing the pain but I built up a tolerance to the methadone and had to be changed to morphine. The pain specialist wanted to wean me off the methadone over a 6 months period and there was no way I could have tolerated the extreme pain for that long so I decided to get off of it cold turkey. They talked me into going into the hospital for the first week so I could be monitored ecause they said that no one had ever cold turkeyed off methadone after being on it as long as I had been. It was pure hell, the staff kept trying to get me to take a dose of methadone but I kept refusing. I survived but at one point my blood pressure dropped to 70/50. Methadone is hard to kick because of its long half life. It takes over a month for the drug to completely get out of your system. The so called pain doc now has me on 200 mg/day of morphine s04 continous release and it dosn't work very well. Good luck with your treatment, and I hope you suceed in your program

[justin278]

ironhorse glad to hear your progress! i give you big props for going cold turkey, i think you beat most of the human race in being able to cope with it. just wanted to add, ask your doc about Suboxone, as it works for pain as well and you don't build a tolerance to it. Just an idea.. Hope things work out well for you. Again excellent work getting off the Methadone!

[missedina]

I have been on methadone for a little over a year now because of addiction to heroin and prescription drugs. I getting ready to start on Suboxone. Anyways, that thing about methadone getting into your bones is a myth. Methadone is extremely hard to get off of, I will agree. That is why I am switching to Suboxone. I am really nervous about it though.

quote:Originally posted by pill-layer

I spoke with a doctor today and Got on a 6 week SUBOXONE treatment program including 4 classes and 3 na/aa meetings a week .....their program is above 70% success and here in TN they cant prescribe Suboxone without a program to go with it.

ANYWAY.....I was speaking with the councellor today and he told me that this clinic wont treat anyone on methadone until they have weened off for a few days , because the danger is too high for the patient to die from the combonation of the Sub. and the Methadone.

She also told me that she hasnt seen anyone come off the methadone .....and that the withdawl she has seen from the patients is PURE HELL she said that in almost every case in all her years .....it was an absolute night mare, she also said that she would reccomend that a person never go that route for treatment . Also that the methadone gets so much into a persons sytem that it even gets into their bones, to me it was a really enlightening and scary conversation..... SO WHAT DO YOU GUYS HAVE TO SAY ON THIS? OPINIONS? FACTS FROM YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE? OR JUST ANY GENERAL DICUSSING ON THE MATTER?ANY EXPERIENCES YOU HAVE PERSONALLY WITNESSED FROM A FRIEND OR LOVE ONE?

Laila

[pill-layer]

LAILA that wasnt a myth but a medical fact provided to me by My DOCTOR....Now if you have medical proof that says he is wrong please post it, as I would want to take it to him and see if he is a liar or Just made a mistake. He is a former addict, and als runs one of if not the best detox program around here, he is also a licensed Addictionoligist, but if you say it a myth , please show me why you think that. AND THIS POST ISNT RUDE I AM HUMBLY AND VERY SERIOUSLY ASKING FOR THE INFO.......THANKS

[missedina]

No, you aren't rude. However, I was told by the medical director at my methadone clinic that this was a myth and she showed me some literature on a study about it. However, it could be some kind of methadone propaganda they are feeding me to keep me happy. I will do some of my own research and see what I come up with. I have heard that very same thing and it was one of my primary concerns before starting methadone maintanence, and I am going to be very upset if I find out that I know have methadone hanging out in my bone marrow. I didn't mean to offend you or your doctor, I am was simply informed differently.

quote:Originally posted by pill-layer

LAILA that wasnt a myth but a medical fact provided to me by My DOCTOR....Now if you have medical proof that says he is wrong please post it, as I would want to take it to him and see if he is a liar or Just made a mistake. He is a former addict, and als runs one of if not the best detox program around here, he is also a licensed Addictionoligist, but if you say it a myth , please show me why you think that. AND THIS POST ISNT RUDE I AM HUMBLY AND VERY SERIOUSLY ASKING FOR THE INFO.......THANKS

Laila

[pill-layer]

YOU DIDNT OFFEND ME, thats why I said I hope I wasnt sounding rude LOL we cant see emotions on the net , and sometimes things look different than they really are.

The only reason I even saked my doctor about the Methadone , was because One of my employees is in a clinic , and I was trying to get him in the suboxone program, and the DR told me that if the patient hasnt been off the methadone for at least a week (I think) he wasnt comfortable treating him, because of a couple deaths from the meth/.sub. combonation, and that he has never seen any of the patients on the meth. that come through his program , ever succeed , he told me "they always Go back", and that the national average of people getting off of the meth. was below 5%.THEY GET HOOKED FOR LIFE!!!!

Do the research and if you find out anything new please let me know, OK?


GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROGRAM, I WISH THE BEST OF LUCK!

[missedina]

I am about to start on Suboxone. I have been in a methadone program for about a year and am anxious to get out of it. Methadone almost becomes a lifestyle, going to the clinic several times a week, and planning my life around it. Its no different than being a junkie, it is just a little bit safer. They call it "harm reduction" at the clinic. Another thing that bothers me is that I do get a euphoric feeling.... who am I kidding, a buzz....from the methadone, and that is very dangerous for me. If I don't stop now, I don't know if I will ever be able to. Hopefully, I won't get that buzz from the suboxone. I just want to feel normal again, not get high.

quote:Originally posted by pill-layer

YOU DIDNT OFFEND ME, thats why I said I hope I wasnt sounding rude LOL we cant see emotions on the net , and sometimes things look different than they really are.

The only reason I even saked my doctor about the Methadone , was because One of my employees is in a clinic , and I was trying to get him in the suboxone program, and the DR told me that if the patient hasnt been off the methadone for at least a week (I think) he wasnt comfortable treating him, because of a couple deaths from the meth/.sub. combonation, and that he has never seen any of the patients on the meth. that come through his program , ever succeed , he told me "they always Go back", and that the national average of people getting off of the meth. was below 5%.THEY GET HOOKED FOR LIFE!!!!

Do the research and if you find out anything new please let me know, OK?


GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROGRAM, I WISH THE BEST OF LUCK!

Laila

[opiattire]

hey guys, i just recently started methadone, but i'm on a "reduction" program where i start with two ten milligram pills a day and then will move down from there. is this safe? i was on bup. after a long bout of addiction to oxycontin and morphine and was on subutex and suboxone, but was still kicking after five months and still experiencing some withdrawl symptoms. my doctor said that it was rare, but that it did happen in some people. i think part of the reason is because when i came off of the pills originally i was put on a very small dose of subutex that only seemed to work for a short time (two or three days), and then i just kind of lived with it thinking that it was better than full blown withdrawl. withdrawl is hell and i never want to have to go through with that hell again. i still have some sub and plan to use it to get off the methadone, along with getting some vic's or perc's to transfer me off while the subutex can be dangerous at first. i feel though that as long as the doctor is really going to step me down that that's cool, but he already mentioned that he might have to up the dose if my symptoms don't clear up. now i'm worried as hell. i need direction from others. please help!! another important question...technically how long does it take for a person to get hooked on the methadone physically. i know that with the buprenorphine it takes half a month to get mildly physically hooked although lets be honest, there's no detox drug from opiates that doesn't give someone a bit of a high. i just don't know what to do anymore. i dread the possibility of withdrawl suffering once more, but i don't want to take this the rest of my life. any input would be great. thanks.

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