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Old 02-11-2006, 06:32 PM
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Mr Spock, I know that you are now taking prozac and plan to SLOWLY tapper off of it eventially. But, have you considered taking any other type of medication for what very UNDERSTANDABLY could be depression on your part? I look at my bipolar disorder as if it were heart disease or any other serious disease. Who wouldn't take medication for that? Depression is just as REAL and just as SERIOUS!

auntybiotic, this may be the same for your daughter. Why was she originally put on Lexapro? How old is she?

Newcomers, I'm sorry if you have felt neglected in any way by any of the people that have been here longer. You have popped in at a difficult time. auntybiotic in the process of moving. Shifty and myself fighting strep throat. Thanks Shifty! [] Just kidding! Mr Spock having a difficult time himself of late. Redbled, mohannie, and Miss Lee all having their ups and downs. And where the heck is Torxis? Anyone heard from him lately? I'm getting a little worried.


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Old 02-11-2006, 06:39 PM
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auntybiotic, look for the snow to be there soon (if it's not already). I woke up before 6:00 this morning SO excited about this nor'easter that we had coming. It's running a little behind schedule. Currently it has finally turned to just snow... no mix of rain. It should be really exciting to wake up on a Sunday morning and see the beauty that the snow brings!


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Old 02-11-2006, 09:29 PM
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Debbie,

My doctor put me on it to relieve my temporary anxiety. I had 2 cysts in my testicles. But when I went to him, we didn't know why I was feeling poorly and passing out if I was in the heat or sun to long. It seems it was just a bacterial infection, but of course I was concerned like anyone. He drugged me so I would not be concerned anymore. He is a moron, and I so wish I knew then what I know now. He never told me to taper, and didn't seem to know Lexapro was not a short term fix.

Only took Lexapro for 10 days, as a doctors response to my brief anxiety over a treatable medical condition. Took my last pill at the very end of August. 5 months now and feeling better most every week. There is hope, don't give up.
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Old 02-11-2006, 10:18 PM
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Redbled, Sorry, I didn't know about that. Are the cysts gone? Do they know what caused them? How is your anxiety?


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Old 02-11-2006, 11:32 PM
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The cysts are long gone. Its normal for men to have them, so it wasn't really a big deal. My only anxiety is caused by lex withdrawal, isn't that irony? I want to swear every time I think of it. I also want to set a big fire to the Forrest plant when there are no workers present.

Only took Lexapro for 10 days, as a doctors response to my brief anxiety over a treatable medical condition. Took my last pill at the very end of August. 5 months now and feeling better most every week. There is hope, don't give up.
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Old 02-11-2006, 11:54 PM
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Redbled, you are funny! Hang in there... you know you have had some good days of recent. There has to be LOTS more coming your way!

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Hello All, I have been lurking on this board for a few days and finally decided to post. What follows is my experience with Lexapro.

I started on 10 mg Lexapro in May of 2003 for depression. I believe now that, at most, I should have remained on the drug for only 6 months. Instead I remained on the drug for nearly 3 years. Part of the problem is that over the years I had three separate doctors prescribing the drug for me as I moved from one state to another (and for a while my Gyne prescribed it too - as you can guess he never spoke to me about the drug beyong making sure I was still taking it).

In April of '05 I asked the pychiatrist I am currently seeing to help me get off the drug. We cut the 10 mg dose to 5 mg (the plan was to stay on 5 mg for three months and then quit altogether). After about 4 or 5 days I was a wreck! Brain zaps, irritability, panicking, anxiety, moodiness, DIZZINESS, general body aches etc etc etc. I called the doctor, said I was having a hard time and his response "go back to 10 mg." He DID NOT ask what I was experiencing, he did not encourage me to stick it out, nothing. As you can see, I'm a bit angry about that.

In September of '05 I was going through a hard time. This time, the pychiatrist's solution was to bring me up to 15 mg and give me xanax. Which I did. About a month later, I abrubtly stopped taking the extra 5 mg and went back down to the 10 mg daily with NO problems.

In November of '05 I was sick of the meds and suspecting they were causing my severe fatigue. (I had been needing about 8 or 9 hours of sleep a night but since I had taken up running for exercise was now needing about 10 hours of sleep plus long naps (4 hours +) on the weekends and a good 17 hour night sleep every couple of weeks. I felt it was getting out of hand.) So, I decided upon this plan:

7.5 mg for 1 month
5 mg for next month
2.5 mg for the next month
then quitting altogether

I started the plan, kept a log (oh, and didn't tell my psychiatrist). Each time I tapered, I was not myself for about 2 weeks. Nothing serious, maybe a little more irritable, moody, dizzy, etc, but then it passed and I felt great.

By the time I got down to 5 mg I was not needing to sleep for 9+ hours a night, I was not "starving" all the time (began to lose some weight) and I had a libido (which I NEVER realized was connected to the drug until I began the taper- boy is my husband happy).

Here's why I'm posting; last Sunday I took my last dose of Lexapro. I am now completely off the medicine. The first two days were fine, but now I'm a wreck. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday were the worst. I was irritable, angry, impatient, moody, feeling helpless (and a tad suicidal depending on which hour you got me), EXTREMELY Dizzy, lightheaded, spinning, naseous, my sinuses hurt and were draining and I had a headach nearly all the time. Like other posters, these symptoms increased as the day went on. My husband thought I was going mad. I have to admit, I did too.

Finding this board has helped. I've been taking xanax as needed (to calm down, go to sleep etc) and this has been a godsend. I have to see the psychiatrist next month and I want to come clean with him, tell him I've taken myself off the drug. But I want him to keep prescribing xanax to me (should I need it) and am concerned he will be quite angry with me for taking myself off the drug.

I guess I just wanted to share my experience with you all and get some feedback. Thank you so much for listening and reading this really long post.


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Old 02-12-2006, 02:22 PM
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Els,
I feel for you. It sounds like hell. Are you still off of it? How's it going? Are you taking anything else?


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quote:Originally posted by Elspeth

Hello All, I have been lurking on this board for a few days and finally decided to post. What follows is my experience with Lexapro.

I started on 10 mg Lexapro in May of 2003 for depression. I believe now that, at most, I should have remained on the drug for only 6 months. Instead I remained on the drug for nearly 3 years. Part of the problem is that over the years I had three separate doctors prescribing the drug for me as I moved from one state to another (and for a while my Gyne prescribed it too - as you can guess he never spoke to me about the drug beyong making sure I was still taking it).

In April of '05 I asked the pychiatrist I am currently seeing to help me get off the drug. We cut the 10 mg dose to 5 mg (the plan was to stay on 5 mg for three months and then quit altogether). After about 4 or 5 days I was a wreck! Brain zaps, irritability, panicking, anxiety, moodiness, DIZZINESS, general body aches etc etc etc. I called the doctor, said I was having a hard time and his response "go back to 10 mg." He DID NOT ask what I was experiencing, he did not encourage me to stick it out, nothing. As you can see, I'm a bit angry about that.

In September of '05 I was going through a hard time. This time, the pychiatrist's solution was to bring me up to 15 mg and give me xanax. Which I did. About a month later, I abrubtly stopped taking the extra 5 mg and went back down to the 10 mg daily with NO problems.

In November of '05 I was sick of the meds and suspecting they were causing my severe fatigue. (I had been needing about 8 or 9 hours of sleep a night but since I had taken up running for exercise was now needing about 10 hours of sleep plus long naps (4 hours +) on the weekends and a good 17 hour night sleep every couple of weeks. I felt it was getting out of hand.) So, I decided upon this plan:

7.5 mg for 1 month
5 mg for next month
2.5 mg for the next month
then quitting altogether

I started the plan, kept a log (oh, and didn't tell my psychiatrist). Each time I tapered, I was not myself for about 2 weeks. Nothing serious, maybe a little more irritable, moody, dizzy, etc, but then it passed and I felt great.

By the time I got down to 5 mg I was not needing to sleep for 9+ hours a night, I was not "starving" all the time (began to lose some weight) and I had a libido (which I NEVER realized was connected to the drug until I began the taper- boy is my husband happy).

Here's why I'm posting; last Sunday I took my last dose of Lexapro. I am now completely off the medicine. The first two days were fine, but now I'm a wreck. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday were the worst. I was irritable, angry, impatient, moody, feeling helpless (and a tad suicidal depending on which hour you got me), EXTREMELY Dizzy, lightheaded, spinning, naseous, my sinuses hurt and were draining and I had a headach nearly all the time. Like other posters, these symptoms increased as the day went on. My husband thought I was going mad. I have to admit, I did too.

Finding this board has helped. I've been taking xanax as needed (to calm down, go to sleep etc) and this has been a godsend. I have to see the psychiatrist next month and I want to come clean with him, tell him I've taken myself off the drug. But I want him to keep prescribing xanax to me (should I need it) and am concerned he will be quite angry with me for taking myself off the drug.

I guess I just wanted to share my experience with you all and get some feedback. Thank you so much for listening and reading this really long post.


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Old 02-12-2006, 03:40 PM
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Congratulations Elspeth!

You are very wise to have decided on getting rid of the medication despite your psychiatrist's opposition. I think more people ought to take responsibility for their own well-being, like you did, instead of passively relying on their doctors to make every decision for them.

Cheers!
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quote:Originally posted by Elspeth

Hello All, I have been lurking on this board for a few days and finally decided to post. What follows is my experience with Lexapro.

I started on 10 mg Lexapro in May of 2003 for depression. I believe now that, at most, I should have remained on the drug for only 6 months. Instead I remained on the drug for nearly 3 years. Part of the problem is that over the years I had three separate doctors prescribing the drug for me as I moved from one state to another (and for a while my Gyne prescribed it too - as you can guess he never spoke to me about the drug beyong making sure I was still taking it).

In April of '05 I asked the pychiatrist I am currently seeing to help me get off the drug. We cut the 10 mg dose to 5 mg (the plan was to stay on 5 mg for three months and then quit altogether). After about 4 or 5 days I was a wreck! Brain zaps, irritability, panicking, anxiety, moodiness, DIZZINESS, general body aches etc etc etc. I called the doctor, said I was having a hard time and his response "go back to 10 mg." He DID NOT ask what I was experiencing, he did not encourage me to stick it out, nothing. As you can see, I'm a bit angry about that.

In September of '05 I was going through a hard time. This time, the pychiatrist's solution was to bring me up to 15 mg and give me xanax. Which I did. About a month later, I abrubtly stopped taking the extra 5 mg and went back down to the 10 mg daily with NO problems.

In November of '05 I was sick of the meds and suspecting they were causing my severe fatigue. (I had been needing about 8 or 9 hours of sleep a night but since I had taken up running for exercise was now needing about 10 hours of sleep plus long naps (4 hours +) on the weekends and a good 17 hour night sleep every couple of weeks. I felt it was getting out of hand.) So, I decided upon this plan:

7.5 mg for 1 month
5 mg for next month
2.5 mg for the next month
then quitting altogether

I started the plan, kept a log (oh, and didn't tell my psychiatrist). Each time I tapered, I was not myself for about 2 weeks. Nothing serious, maybe a little more irritable, moody, dizzy, etc, but then it passed and I felt great.

By the time I got down to 5 mg I was not needing to sleep for 9+ hours a night, I was not "starving" all the time (began to lose some weight) and I had a libido (which I NEVER realized was connected to the drug until I began the taper- boy is my husband happy).

Here's why I'm posting; last Sunday I took my last dose of Lexapro. I am now completely off the medicine. The first two days were fine, but now I'm a wreck. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday were the worst. I was irritable, angry, impatient, moody, feeling helpless (and a tad suicidal depending on which hour you got me), EXTREMELY Dizzy, lightheaded, spinning, naseous, my sinuses hurt and were draining and I had a headach nearly all the time. Like other posters, these symptoms increased as the day went on. My husband thought I was going mad. I have to admit, I did too.

Finding this board has helped. I've been taking xanax as needed (to calm down, go to sleep etc) and this has been a godsend. I have to see the psychiatrist next month and I want to come clean with him, tell him I've taken myself off the drug. But I want him to keep prescribing xanax to me (should I need it) and am concerned he will be quite angry with me for taking myself off the drug.

I guess I just wanted to share my experience with you all and get some feedback. Thank you so much for listening and reading this really long post.


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Hey all-

To all you newbies- Hello and there is hope! Stick it out and have faith. Believe me I know how much it bites. I had a toxic reation to Lexapro and have been dealing with it for 5 months. I am trying to learn everyone's story to address you personally. LOts of newcommers (which is great to reach people in need!)

Hey oldies!
I have been feeling so much better! Well right now I have strep and a horrible cough and no voice, but I actually feel better! Strange but true. I haven't been feeling down at all! I am on recovery's back step and ready to be invited in! I am sooooo close I can taste it. I feel that the memory of the reaction holds be back sometimes (because it was so scary), but I am working that out.

Debbie- I was also put on Lex as a mistake and a moronic doc. I feel that Red and I really never had an imbalance and that it the reason we suffered so much. I agree with you that depression is serious. I still have a bad taste in my mouth about my Lex incident. So you can see why I am gun shy about the drugs in general.

General docs are handing this drug out for every ailment. They just tried to give an SSRI to my mom for peri-menapause. and also to my friend for migrains. (they both said no) I have a student on an SSRI for an eating disorder. Does anyone see a pattern here? A negative one?

These drugs have their place in the med world. But why are they being tauted as a cure all?

OK I jumped off my soap box.

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Old 02-12-2006, 07:54 PM
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Miss Lee and Red,
So, both of you have been off the lexipro? And how long did it take for you to feel normal? And how many mg.? And is that the only drug you were taking?



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Hey all-

To all you newbies- Hello and there is hope! Stick it out and have faith. Believe me I know how much it bites. I had a toxic reation to Lexapro and have been dealing with it for 5 months. I am trying to learn everyone's story to address you personally. LOts of newcommers (which is great to reach people in need!)

Hey oldies!
I have been feeling so much better! Well right now I have strep and a horrible cough and no voice, but I actually feel better! Strange but true. I haven't been feeling down at all! I am on recovery's back step and ready to be invited in! I am sooooo close I can taste it. I feel that the memory of the reaction holds be back sometimes (because it was so scary), but I am working that out.

Debbie- I was also put on Lex as a mistake and a moronic doc. I feel that Red and I really never had an imbalance and that it the reason we suffered so much. I agree with you that depression is serious. I still have a bad taste in my mouth about my Lex incident. So you can see why I am gun shy about the drugs in general.

General docs are handing this drug out for every ailment. They just tried to give an SSRI to my mom for peri-menapause. and also to my friend for migrains. (they both said no) I have a student on an SSRI for an eating disorder. Does anyone see a pattern here? A negative one?

These drugs have their place in the med world. But why are they being tauted as a cure all?

OK I jumped off my soap box.

Miss Lee
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Hi All,
The big thing about tapers is the the proportion of the dose reduction, rather the actual mgs. Dr Healy in his excellent article (type up SSRI withdrawal on google) states that many can go from 20mg to 15mg fairly effortlessly, a reduction of 1/4. The problem seems to be as one gets lower.
Elspeth, I believe that this is your situation. If you are prepared to tolerate this for a period of time, it may abate, naturally. However, it may end up being longer and harder than you expect. If that is the case you may have to consider a slow taper from the 2.5mg, either by liquid, or by crushing the tablet, adding a measured amount of liquid (NOT grapefruit juice), and doing it that way. Probably a 1/2 mg taper every few weeks might be the go but everyone is different...
Michelle, yes you can cut the tablets in half, so try that (half a tablet a day). You may have to bear with it a while for the withdrawals to settle but at least your serotonin levels won't be bouncing up and down...
Tiger, are things settling down for you back on the 5mg yet?
Miss Lee, gret news, you really deserve it. Redbled, ditto.
Debbie, Mohannie and Aunty, hi there.

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Old 02-12-2006, 08:29 PM
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Miss Lee, isn't it weird that you, Shifty, and myself have strep throat?

Hello Mr Spock, auntybiotic, mohannie, Shifty, Torxis, tiger, Kimi d, and everyone else!


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Hi Mr. Spoke,
I am finally back to normal; that is, after my attempt to tamper from 5 to 3.75 and then going back to the 5 mg. it took about 10
days, but things are good now. I made 3 appt's w/3different shrinks,
so that i get more info on the tampering. every doctor so far seems to say the same thing, that i'll have NO withdrawal symptoms AT ALL>
ha ha ha ha........

How's everyone's else's withdrawal?

Question: Does anyone know if i taper down, if i'll stabilize to that
amount after a weeks? or will i still stay dizzy and stuff.

thanks
tiger

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Hi All,
The big thing about tapers is the the proportion of the dose reduction, rather the actual mgs. Dr Healy in his excellent article (type up SSRI withdrawal on google) states that many can go from 20mg to 15mg fairly effortlessly, a reduction of 1/4. The problem seems to be as one gets lower.
Elspeth, I believe that this is your situation. If you are prepared to tolerate this for a period of time, it may abate, naturally. However, it may end up being longer and harder than you expect. If that is the case you may have to consider a slow taper from the 2.5mg, either by liquid, or by crushing the tablet, adding a measured amount of liquid (NOT grapefruit juice), and doing it that way. Probably a 1/2 mg taper every few weeks might be the go but everyone is different...
Michelle, yes you can cut the tablets in half, so try that (half a tablet a day). You may have to bear with it a while for the withdrawals to settle but at least your serotonin levels won't be bouncing up and down...
Tiger, are things settling down for you back on the 5mg yet?
Miss Lee, gret news, you really deserve it. Redbled, ditto.
Debbie, Mohannie and Aunty, hi there.

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Tiger,

It takes about 3 to 4 weeks for one to stabalize after making a lexapro cut in dose. It takes about 7 to 10 days to begin to feel the withdrawals.they last abot from day four to seven thru about day 21 (about two weeks) and then you will begin to feel stable again. I would suggest giving your body a break and remain stable for a week before cutting the lexapro dose again.

You will start to see a pattern after you do several tapers. No matter how bad the withdrawal are you will find comfort in knowing that you WILL stabilize after a few weeks so it IS ONLY WITHDRAWAL not you going xrazy.

Hi to Bebbie, Mr.Spock. Redbleed. Ms. Lee and everyone else I forgot to mention.

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The Aftermath Of Prozac, Zoloft, Luvox, Fen-Phen, & Many Other Serotonergic Drugs

By Dr. Ann Blake Tracy - Executive Director,
International Coalition For Drug Awareness

Dr. Ann Blake Tracy, a Ph.D. in Health Sciences with an emphasis in Psychology, has specialized for 10 years in adverse reactions to serotonergic medications. She is the executive director of the International Coalition for Drug Awareness (www.drugawareness.org) and author of the book PROZAC:PANACEA OR PANDORA? (800-280-0730)

WARNING: IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT A GRADUAL TAPERING OFF OF MEDICATIONS IS SAFEST WITHDRAWAL METHOD TO AVOID SERIOUS WITHDRAWAL

EFFECTS
Often there is the terrible withdrawal associated with the SSRIs. Unless patients are warned to come very slowly off these drugs by shaving minuscule amounts off their pills each day, as opposed to cutting them in half or taking a pill every other day, they can go into terrible withdrawal which is generally delayed several months. This withdrawal includes bouts of overwhelming depression, terrible insomnia and fatigue, and can include life-threatening physical effects, psychosis, or violent outbursts.

Note: Keep in mind that these drugs are all serotonergic agents and clones or "copy cat" drugs of Prozac - the first SSRI antidepressant introduced to the market in America. Basically what applies to one, applies to the others. For instance we have more data out on Prozac because it has been around longer, but as the mode of action is the same for all of these meds the effects will be the same for the other drugs on this list as it is for Prozac. If we are discussing one drug, similar effects would be expected from any other company's version of the drug. In fact it would be more honest to give them the titles of Prozac #1, Prozac #2,Prozac #3, etc. rather than the brand names they have been given, from the second clone, Zoloft, to the latest Prozac clone, Celexa.

My concern is that each new SSRI introduced seems to be a little stronger on serotonin reuptake and therefore potentially more dangerous. And the all too common practice of going from one SSRI to another blocks additional receptors and magnifies the harmful effects of these medications. It is crucial to learn that according to medical research the theory behind this group of drugs is invalid. Known as serotonin reuptake inhibitors. They are designed to block serotonin in the brain, thereby increasing brain levels of this neurotransmitter. Yet for three decades researchers have been intensely interested in serotonin because LSD and PCP produce their psychedelic effects by mimicking serotonin. Elevated serotonin is found in: psychosis or schizophrenia, mood disorders, organic brain disease, mental retardation, autism and Alzheimer's. While low levels of the metabolism of serotonin (which also produces high serotonin), are found in those with: depression, anxiety, suicide, violence, arson, substance abuse, insomnia, violent nightmares, impulsive behavior, reckless driving, exhibitionism, hostility, argumentative behavior, etc. The drugs increase serotonin and decrease the metabolism of serotonin leading to any and all of the above results. This information is extremely crucial for patients and physicians to learn as soon as possible. We have a high rate of use of these drugs nationwide. Raising serotonin and lowering the metabolism of serotonin in such a large number of people can produce very serious, widespread and long term problems for all of society.

So why are we now in the 90's being told that increased serotonin is good for us? Is it because it is good for the pocketbooks of the manufacturers? One manufacturer is running full page newspaper and magazine ads and half hour TV infomercials to bring in over $7 million daily, while on the other hand they are settling Prozac suicide cases for huge amounts of money in exchange for silence from victim's families on the details of those settlements. The silence in the court cases insures that the drug will be allowed to finish out its patent time, thus bringing in the highest possible profits for the company. They know that with $7 million coming in daily, they can afford to settle a large number of lawsuits and still come out "smelling like a rose" financially.

Eli Lilly has been sued for Prozac related deaths in numerous state and federal courts with most of these cases being settled or dismissed - many were dismissed due to the unethical manipulation of the Wesbecker verdict
(see time line for details).

We have witnessed no decrease in suicide, but increases in murder/suicide, suicide, unwed pregnancies, domestic violence, manic-depression, MS, hypoglycemia, diabetes, bankruptcies, divorce, mothers (parents) killing children, road rage, school shootings, cancer, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, and Fibromyalgia since these serotonergic drugs have become so popular and I relate it directly to the effects of these drugs.


The death toll has continued to climb drastically since I wrote PROZAC: PANACEA OR PANDORA? Some of the cases you may be familiar with are:

Mr. and Mrs. Phil Hartman (Zoloft), Prozac was found in the van of Mark Barton, the Atlanta day trader, who recently killed his family and others in a shooting spree before taking his own life;
Neal Furrow, in LA Jewish school shooting was reported to have been court ordered to be on Prozac along with several other medications;
The Salt Lake Family History Library shooting;
School shootings in Littleton, Colorado (Luvox), Atlanta, Georgia, Springfield, Oregon (Prozac), and Caldwell, Idaho;
Another boy in Pocatello, ID in 1998 who in seizure activity from Zoloft had a stand off at the school;
15 year old Chris Shanahan (Paxil) in Rigby, ID who out of the blue killed a woman;
The shooting at the lottery in Connecticut last spring by Matthew Beck (Luvox) that left five dead in a murder/suicide;
The New York City Subway bombing by Edward Leary (Prozac);
Nick Mansies (Paxil) in New Jersey who was convicted of killing a little boy who was selling cookies door to door;
In Orange County, CA Dana Sue Gray (Paxil) who co-workers described as a very caring nurse killed several elderly people;
Officer Stephen Christian (Prozac) one of the finest officers on the Dallas Police force, who ran into a police substation shooting at fellow officers and was killed;
13 year old Chris Fetters (Prozac) in Iowa who killed her favorite aunt;
David Rothman (Prozac) killed two co-workers and himself at the Dept. of Agriculture in Ingelwood, CA;
Williams Evans (Zoloft) shot one co-worker at the Ohio Bureau of Employment Services before shooting himself in Columbus, OH;
Winatchee, WA where 43 people were wrongfully imprisoned in a false accusation of sexual abuse "witch hunt" fury started by a child under the influence of Prozac and Paxil;
Christopher Vasquez (Zoloft) killed Michael Morrow in Central Park;
Megan Hogg (Prozac) duct taped the mouths and noses of her three little girls and took a handful of pills; Vera Espinoza (Prozac) in Randolph, VT shot her small son and daughter before shooting herself;
An elderly man (Prozac) in Layton, UT axed his wife and daughter to death;
Margaret Kastanis (Prozac) used a knife and hammer to kill her three children before stabbing herself to death;
An elderly man (Paxil) in Dallas, TX strangled his wife before shooting himself twice in the chest;
Larramie Huntzinger (Zoloft) blacked out and ran his car into three young girls killing two in Salt Lake City, UT;
Mary Hinkelman (Prozac), a nurse in Baroda, MI shot her two small daughters and her sister before shooting herself;
Lisa Fox (Prozac) shot her small son and her dog before shooting herself in Brighton, MI;
Debi Louselle (Zoloft) shot daughter and then herself in Salt Lake City, UT;
A father in Wyoming shot his wife, daughter and baby grand-daughter then himself after only days on Paxil;
A mother (Prozac) in Pleasant Grove, UT killed her 17 year old son with a sledge hammer while he slept before she attempted suicide by drinking Drano;
Larry Butz, a superintendent of schools in Ames, IA shot his wife, son and daughter before shooting himself - many cases pending in court are not mentioned.
This is only a handful of MANY, MANY more cases - there would not be room for anything else if I continued listing the cases.

A few additional famous victims: Princess Di (Prozac) and Dodi Fayed -via their driver Henri Paul (Prozac), Monica Lewinsky (Prozac, Zoloft, Effexor, Serzone and Phen-Fen), Chris Farley (Prozac), Pres. Clinton's ex-partner Jim Mc Dougal (Prozac), Abby Hoffman (Prozac), Del Shannon (Prozac), Danielle Steele's son (Prozac), INXS singer Michael Hutchence (Prozac), Sarah - Dutchess of York (Phen-Fen)

The latest figures show Prozac has about 44,000 adverse reports filed with the FDA. Out of those reports there are about 2,500 deaths with the large majority of them linked to suicide or violence.

The suicide statistics relating to women are shocking. According to the CDC there are about 30,000 suicides yearly in the United States. Out of those about 6,000 are women - a ratio of about 4.3 to 1, male to female. About twice as many women as men are treated for depression demonstrating that generally men are more than 8 times as lethal in their suicidal gestures as women. Women were known to use less lethal means until the SSRI antidepressants hit the market. But on Prozac and Paxil, women committed 40% of the suicides - many were strikingly violent and clearly leaving no
means for rescue. (Remember that because Prozac was the first of this group of drugs its track record gives us a vision of what is to come with other serotonergic antidepressants, especially when they are so powerful in the reuptake of serotonin.)

TIME LINE OF CRITICAL INFORMATION DISCOVERED SINCE THE BOOK:

*NOTE: Any documents beginning with PZ are Lilly documents on Prozac which have been ferreted out by attorneys and are now being used in lawsuits against the drug company. (Christian vs. Eli Lilly, by Vickery & Waldner, Houston, TX)

Mid 1950's: Dr. Felix Sulman began his research on those who suffer from high serotonin levels because of an inability to metabolize serotonin. He found that serotonin is a stress neuro-hormone leading even rabbits, the most docile of creatures, to be aggressive. He coined the term "serotonin irritation syndrome." He found that those who were unable to break down serotonin would have the levels increase. They were in effect being poisoned by the serotonin produced by their own bodies, the irritation victims suffered from migraines, hot flashes, irritability, sleeplessness, pains around the heart, difficulty in breathing, a worsening of bronchial complaints, irrational tension and anxiety. . . horrifying nightmares. It also caused his volunteers to sleep badly - that is, always on the edge of consciousness so that they were not properly rested - and to wake after only a few hours of sleep." (sleep apnea) He also found it caused pregnant women to abort.
October, 1977: Slater, et.al., Inhibition of REM Sleep by Fluoxetine, a Specific Inhibitor of Serotonin Uptake, October 1977, at p. 385 - Prozac was found to affect sleep habits, specifically to suppress deep sleep, which the scientists call REM (rapid eye movement) sleep in cats. By the fourth day of drug treatment the cats receiving the larger doses, which had been friendly for years, began to growl and hiss. After cessation of the drug treatment, the cats returned to their usual friendly behavior in a week or two; those on the higher doses recovering more slowly. - - 1977: [PZ 1298 1999] "A total of six dogs from the high dose group were removed from treatment ... due to severe occurrences of either aggressive behavior, ataxia, or anorexia."]
July 31, 1978: [PZ1061 1025-28, July 31, 1978] Human subjects began to be used by Lilly in controlled clinical trials. The first group of patients showed no improvement in their depression, but there were a "large number of reports of adverse reactions." The first human to receive Prozac experienced "dystonia resembling an extrapyramidal reaction" - an uncontrollable, Parkinson-like shaking or trembling.
July 23, 1979 [PZ 1297 969] The clinical studies in depression showed that "some patients have converted from severe depression to agitation within a few days; in one case the agitation was marked and the patient had to be taken off drug. In future studies the use of benzodiazepines to control the agitation will be permitted."
August 3, 1979: The clinical trials excluded patients who had serious suicidal risk. [E.g. control #001519, IND Protocol No. 14, August 3, 1979; PZ1135 695, July 2, 1986 memorandum of Dr. Wernicke].
December 17, 1984: [PZ 65 449, report of Lilly to FDA] Lilly reported to the FDA that benzodiazepines and other sedatives were given with Prozac throughout the clinical trials. This was to help offset the stimulant effect of the drug. In a memorandum of Lilly scientist Charles Beasley [PZ 541 2007-08] issues of "agitation vs. sedation" and concomitant sedative medications like benzodiazepines (to control the agitation) are discussed. Concerns are that agitation in a suicidal patient can induce suicide.
March 3, 1986 Lilly controlled the flow of information to the FDA and decided that suicide data on Prozac should not be evaluated, "in the safety-update for the FDA the number of suicides and suicide attempts will not be especially evaluated." [PZ 879 1966, March 3, 1986 telex]
September 12, 1986: German BGA very concerned with the risk of suicide and ultimately approved Prozac on the condition that physicians be warned of the risk of suicide and told to consider using sedatives and closely monitor patients. [PZ 878 1383, report of Lilly consultant Pohlmeier; PZ 2467 299, September 12, 1986] Lilly actually warned physicians in Germany and other countries that this measure "can be necessary" to minimize the risk of suicide, [PZ 1341 402, December 6, 1989 German warning; PZ 2469 490]
February 7, 1990: In response to the Harvard study, Teicher, et al., Lilly's top scientist, Leigh Thompson, told his fellow executives that "Lilly can go down the tubes if we lose Prozac". [PZ 1941 827, February 7, 1990]. In the ensuing months Dr. Thompson spoke frequently with his principal FDA regulator about the issue, once at 6:15 in the morning. [PZ 391 1959, July 18, 1990]. Lilly later described the man as "our defender". [PZ1941 2256, September 12, 1990]
May 29, 1990, Lilly added "suicidal ideation" in the section dealing with post-marketing reports. [PZ883 562, July 26, 1990 memorandum]
September 14, 1990: Contrary to the advice of his staff, Dr. Thompson told the Eli Lilly Board of Directors that suicide and hostile acts were probably, caused by the patients' underlying disorders rather than Prozac. [PZ542 2101, September 14, 1990; PZ4002 889, Board Minutes]. The staff was concerned because they knew that this issue was never studied during the clinical trials.
September 11, 1990: Note from Dr. Bruce Stadel, Chief of the Epidemiology Branch, attaching an analysis done by Dr. David Graham, Section Chief within the Epidemiology Branch, of Lilly's July 17, 1990 submission to the FDA on the Prozac/suicidality/violence issue. The following factors were (a) brought to the attention of those in the higher echelons of the FDA, but (b) ignored, discounted or "trashed" by them: #1 Lilly's analysis improperly excluded 76 out of 97 suicides; as Dr. Stadel expressed it, "[i]t is inappropriate in a safety analysis to exclude such a large proportion of case"; #2 Lilly admitted that its clinical trials "were not designed for the prospective evaluation of suicidality" and that "[i]n these trials, patients with current suicidal ideation were excluded"; #3 Lilly admitted that the HAMD-3 rating scale it used to assess suicidality in clinical trials was inadequate; and that Lilly's statements about violence only demonstrated "how great under-reporting is" and that "[t]he actual data showed a higher percentage of treatment-emergent suicidality among fluoxetine (2.9% than tricyclic (0.8%) patients . . . [which percentage] was similar to that reported by Teicher."
July 1, 1992: A study lead by Dr. Lorne Brandes of the Manatoba Institute of Cell Biology in Winnipeg, Canada was published in CANCER RESEARCH linking the two most popular anti-depressants, Elavil and Prozac to cancer.
1994: A study headed by Howard Markell published in The Journal of Pediatrics showed LSD flashbacks and LSD reactions induced by Prozac.
June 9, 1994: The New York Review of Books article by Dr. Sherwin Nuland slams Peter Kramer for pushing Prozac in his book Listening to Prozac. He pointed out that all docs are taught in med school this little poem about serotonin: "This man was addicted to moanin', confusion, edema, and groanin', intestinal rushes, great tricolored blushes, and died from too much serotonin." He listed constriction of lungs and intestines, diarrhea, wheezing, flushing, mental confusion, tightening of bronchioles, and lessening conscious control over behavior from increases in serotonin. "Moreover, . . . it is still too early to arrive at a reliable estimate of possible dangers that may appear in the long term," and 15% dropped out of the clinical trials on Prozac because of adverse reactions. He also discussed the similarity of serotonin to the psychedelics like LSD and PCP.
November, 1994: Krystal JH, Webb E, Cooney N, et al., "Specificity of Ethanol-like Effects Elicited in Serotonergic and Noradrenergic Mechanisms," ARCHIVES OF GENERAL PSYCHIATRY, Vol. 51, Issue 11, pgs 898-911, 1994 demonstrated that an increase in brain levels of either of two neurotransmitters, serotonin or noradrenalin, produces:
#1 a craving for alcohol,
#2 anger,
#3 anxiety.
They found this to be especially true for those who have a history of alcoholism. An increase serotonin in turn increases noradrenalin. Numerous reports have been made by reformed alcoholics who are being "driven" to alcohol again after being prescribed a serotonergic drug. And many other patients who had no previous history of alcoholism have continued to report an "overwhelming compulsion" to drink while using these drugs.
A few personal accounts:

#1 A young woman, a recovering alcoholic, reported that during the eight month period she had been using Prozac she found it necessary to attend AA meetings every day in order to fight off the strong compulsions to begin drinking again.
#2 In the Southeastern United States a middle aged psychologist, also a recovering alcoholic, after being prescribed Prozac, found herself needing to attend AA meetings morning, noon, and night to keep from destroying the sobriety she had achieved.
#3 A young father, who was Mormon and had never before in his life used alcohol, found himself drinking Ever Clear and exhibiting bizarre as well as violent behavior, after being prescribed Prozac and Ritalin.
#4 A young mother who had never used alcohol before began drinking large amounts within weeks of being prescribed Prozac and quickly found herself committed to a mental institution due to the psychotic behavior that resulted. Added to her Prozac prescription were anti-psychotic meds and electric shock treatments. She then began to experience seizures and was started on anti-seizure meds.
#5 A concerned neighbor reported her friend was drinking straight Vodka on a regular basis after being prescribed Zoloft. #6 A daughter reported her father, sober for 15 years, began drinking again on Prozac.

December, 1994: Not guilty verdict on Wesbecker wrongful death suit against Lilly's Prozac.
Treatment emergent suicidality with Prozac has been demonstrated to be two to three times higher than any other anti-depressant. (Jick, et al., Antidepressants and Suicide)
May, 1995: Judge John Potter who presided over the Wesbecker case filed documents to demand that Lilly be forced to disclose the secret deal they made with the plaintiffs to withhold very damaging evidence in exchange for settlement. In his pleading to the court Potter stated, "Lilly sought to buy not just the verdict, but the court's judgment as well." Potter accused Lilly of "giving the verdict the widest possible publicity" accompanied by the claim that Lilly had "proven in a court of law that Prozac was safe." Furious with Lilly's attempt to turn his courtroom into an advertising agency for Prozac, he claims his motion reflects "the court's duty to protect the integrity of the judicial system." He believes, as do prominent legal ethicists, that a full and open disclosure of the terms of the settlement is a necessary public safety issue.
July, 1997: Mayo Clinic found that the increased serotonin, which produces blood clotting, was causing a gummy glossy substance to build up on heart valves. Dr. Heidi Connolly with the Divisions of Cardiovascular Diseases and Internal Medicine, who headed the study stated, "We do know that fenfluramine and phentermine [Fen-Phen] alter the way the brain chemical serotonin is metabolized, and serotonin that circulates in the blood can cause valve injury." Fenfluramine produces a rapid release of serotonin, inhibits serotonin reuptake, and may also have receptor agonist activity. The study's revelations should send a loud and very clear warning throughout the medical community concerning all serotonergic medications.

August 25, 1997: Letter to Dr. Tracy, "I caught the last part of your presentation on Radio Station KEX, Portland, while flipping through the dial last night. I was flabbergasted to hear you speak of the horrible potential side effects from Prozac, which I have been taking for approximately four years, particularly since I have been diagnosed recently with cardiomyalgia, severe artery disease, congestive heart failure and also Fibromyalgia. (I was a very "well" person prior to taking the Prozac and am now exhausted all the time, with horrible aching joints and considerable pain and a massive heart problem.) The adverse cardiovascular effects from Prozac, the one drug in this class of drugs out long enough to have somewhat of track record, are listed in the drug information sheet put out by the manufacturer. The "frequent" effects listed are hemorrhage and hypertension. The "infrequent" effects include very serious adverse effects: congestive heart failure, myocardial infarct, tachycardia, angina pectoris, arrhythmia, hypotension, migraine syncope and vascular headache.
September, 1997: Redux and Phen-Fen were pulled from the market.
October 20, 1997: Dr. Candace Pert, Research Professor at Georgetown University Medical Center, past head of the brain chemistry department at the National Institute of Health, and author of the new book, MOLECULES OF EMOTION, sounded an alarm in TIME, October 20. She stated, "I am alarmed at the monster that Johns Hopkins neuroscientist Solomon Snyder and I created when we discovered the simple binding assay for drug receptors 25 years ago. Prozac and other antidepressant serotonin-receptor-active compounds may also cause cardiovascular problems in some susceptible people after long-term use, which has become common practice despite the lack of safety studies."
As we are being led to believe these drugs produce effects only in the brain, Dr. Pert accuses the medical profession of oversimplifying the action of these drugs and adds that "the public is being misinformed about the precision of these selective serotonin-uptake inhibitors." It is critical that both physicians and patients be made aware of these adverse physical reactions. She points out that the medical profession not only oversimplifies the action of these drugs in the brain, but "ignores the body as if it exists merely to carry the head around!" And that, "these molecules of emotion regulate every aspect of our physiology." The body plays a very significant role in how we feel and act the way we do. This fact can no longer be ignored. Serotonin and serotonin receptors exist throughout the body, as well as the brain, and every aspect of the body's physiology is affected by these serotonergic medications. In fact approximately 90% of the body's serotonin is produced in the intestinal tract. According to Dr. Michael Gershon of New York's Columbia Presbyterian, this is the reason why Prozac produces so many gastrointestinal side effects.
March, 1998: Two new studies published. One that shows Prozac so strongly inhibits one particular serotonin receptor that this produces both obesity and seizures and the other discusses the blockage of muscle and neuronal nicotinic acetylcholine receptors indicating interactions between the serotonergic and cholinergic systems in the central nervous system.
April, 1998: Our next generation of guinea pigs - one month before a 15 year old on Prozac, Kip Kinkel, in Springfield OR killed his parents and two classmates the American Psychiatric Association and the American Academy of Pediatric Psychiatrists asked the FDA to consider the serotonergic antidepressants for use in children as young as two and drugs for anxiety, aggression and manic depression in babies only one month old! The use of Prozac among young children ages 6 - 12 has increased an alarming 400% from 1995 (51.000 new prescriptions) to 1996 (203,000 new prescriptions).
June, 1999: CLINICAL PSYCHIATRY NEWS reported that Dr. Malcolm Bowers a psychiatrist at Yale has found that physicians are not paying enough attention to patient factors that could make initiation of SSRIs dangerous. He found that "SSRI-induced psychosis has accounted for 8% of all general hospital psychiatric admissions over a recent 14-month period." And "What is surprising is that this particular group of side effects is really underplayed." (The 8% figure represents over 150,000 SSRI induced psychotic breaks per year!!!!!!!)
WARNING: Children so often get coughs and colds, yet using a cough or cold medication with dextromethorphan could cause the serotonin syndrome, a very serious and potentially fatal adverse reaction and/or produce PCP reactions.

Serotonin syndrome remains an often misdiagnosed or unrecognized fatal reaction due to the medical profession being so uninformed about this drug-induced disorder.

Developing brains are far more vulnerable than adult brains and brain damage generally becomes more apparent after the brain is fully developed, rather than immediately. Increases in cortisol produce brain damage while medical research shows that one single 30mg dose of Prozac DOUBLES the level of cortisol. This drastic increase in cortisol causes a multitude of serious physical reactions including impairment of linear growth, as well as impairing the development and regeneration of the liver, kidneys, muscles, etc. In light of so many unspeakable tragedies, I have grown weary of all the silly philosophical discussions we have heard since Kramer's LISTENING TO PROZAC came out. Patients are dying or having their health destroyed mentally as well as physically (when do we begin to discuss the very serious physical side effects associated with high levels of serotonin?). These patients and their families are frantically searching for answers while this research sits right under our noses and could easily be made available to them. The widespread use of Prozac and its clones is not a statement of either their safety or their effectiveness. It is a statement about the effectiveness of an infinite marketing budget and incredible advertising campaign! These drugs have very serious physical side effects, as well as dangerous psychiatric side effects.

To prevent further tragedy this medical research must be acknowledged and addressed in headline news without delay rather than remain buried in seldom read medical research documents as has been the case in the past with other mind- altering medications, once thought to be safe, which were subsequently prohibited by law, i.e. LSD, PCP, cocaine, etc.

PRAISE FOR PROZAC: PANACEA OR PANDORA?

"I started having bad reactions . . . Oct '96 I found Prozac to be causing joint and muscle pain itself . . . signs of Cushing's Syndrome. . . I was very pro-Prozac until last October and wouldn't have listened to anything said against it until I got problems (thought it was saving my life, while all the time it was insidiously and interested but quite skeptical. However, since reading it and having suffered so many problems with Prozac, I have come to the conclusion that the book is brilliant, and a life-line as far as I am concerned. I tried to fault the research and reasoning, but could not and still can't. I would like to extend my thanks to you for your heroic stance on this enormously important issue. I have tremendous respect and admiration for your hard work, determination and courage in pursuing this subject so vigorously, against so much powerful opposition for the benefit of people like me. Your integrity puts many, if not most doctors and psychiatrists to shame. It is reassuring to find that there are a few people who are prepared to fight for the truth for the benefit of mankind." Oct. 1998 note from a British nurse

"PROZAC: PANACEA OR PANDORA? is an incredible compilation of medical data that will lay the groundwork to educate other professionals and the general public about the new SSRI antidepressants - Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Effexor and Serzone." (Jeff Wise, psychologist, Salt Lake County Drug and Alcohol Abuse )

"In 15 years of reading books on drugs I have never read a book with more information or so well documented as PROZAC: PANACEA OR PANDORA?" (Dr. Kevin Millet, Bountiful, UT)

"As I lecture to physicians nationwide on the medical use of psychoactive drugs PROZAC: PANACEA OR PANDORA? always accompanies me in my brief case." (Dr. Bruce Woolley, neuropsychopharmacologist, Brigham Young University)

"I found PROZAC: PANACEA OR PANDORA? fascinating reading and the most complete analysis of the various factors pertaining to the Prozac controversy." (Attorney Donald Sokol, Susanville, CA)

"PROZAC: PANACEA OR PANDORA? literally saved my life, and if I'd known about it a year earlier, could have saved me untold grief and agony as well. It is the only collated, comprehensive source I know of for this information , . . .. this book described everything that had happened to me in great detail, gave scientific reasons why it happened, backed it all up with solid research, included testimonials from hundreds of others in the same situation, it immaculately details, explains, and refers one to the latest research on a whole hornet's nest of 'atypical' side-and/or after-effects from the use of these antidepressants. It also contains information on how to reduce the severity of problems encountered while starting on or going off these meds." (Nick Jameson, Prozac patient)

"Magnificent! This text is a monument to Ann Tracy's tenacity and love for her fellow human beings." (Dr. Paul Kennedy, N.J.)

"PROZAC: PANACEA OR PANDORA? has not left one question about these drugs unanswered! Ann Tracy has covered them all." (Margaret McCaffery, N.Y. who lost her daughter, a neurosurgeon, in a Prozac suicide)

"The work Dr. Ann Blake Tracy is doing is very important and she is truly a heroine." (Dr. Candace Pert, Washington, DC, one of the two developers of the serotonin binding process which made possible the development of the serotonergic drugs. Dr. Pert has boldly stated, speaking of these serotonergic medications, "I am alarmed at the monsters I created!")


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An update on how I'm doing...

Mr. Spock suggested that I came down too quickly - probably - but I'm so far along now that I don't intend to go back. If I weren't seeing improvement, I would take the advice, but I am seeing improvement.

I have found that the dizzy spells are greatly reduced in general. Two things bring them on like a firestorm - if I get irritated or if there are fast moving things around me. With the latter, I found that driving in traffic caused me to be dizzy and nausiated. I have adjusted my commute routines to periods of less traffic and done better for the past couple of days.

As for the irritabilities - yep, that's a tough one. I just have to let more stuff roll off my back than normal. My husband has been a huge help with this - he has been very supportive and sweet. He and my best friend are on call if I feel like throttling someone... They talk me through it and I can literally feel the dizzy symptoms subside.

And my husband is helping me do constructive things. We spent all day Sunday cleaning out a closet. As long as I am not bending up and down picking things up off the floor, I do fine. The clean closet accomplishment at the end of the day sent me to bed in a cheery mood.

I also gave in for my need to sleep and napped for four hours on Saturday. It didn't prevent me from sleeping a full 9 hours on Sat and Sun night. My body craves water, too.

The nightmares are here. I don't remember specifics, but I woke up pretty scared once this weekend.

Although this all sounds terrible, it is intermittent (by comparison to the constant when I first came off Lexapro). For the most part, I feel normal. I am getting less fuddled in my thinking. I am still resorting to writing everything down.

As I move into the second week off the meds, I can only expect good things to keep getting better...

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Hi,

I wanted to let you all know that I have considerably improved over the past 24 hours. At least, my mood has. I'm no longer quite so irritable, my moods are not swinging, the restlessness is gone and the hopelessness I was feeling has passed. I am still having problems with dizziness though!

I don't know why the change ocurred. Yesterday and today I have taken Flax Seed Oil pills (they contain omega 3 and 6 etc), and some kava kava and have continued to exercise daily. So it could be those things, or just the passing of time. It's been 8 days that I've been completely off and am happy to finally be feeling better.

I'm looking forward to the dizziness to abate, but it is somewhat tolerable for now. I'm experiencing dizziness nearly constantly and can even experience it from moving my eyes too quickly. Jeesh!

Thanks!
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Hi - I am also currently tapering off Lexapro. I started out taking 10 mg in September 2004. I went up to 20 mg for a while in early 2005, and then tapered back down because I noticed I was gaining weight, and I also didn't think being on the 20 mg was any better than the 10.

Since starting Lexapro, I have gained over 30 lbs. Going back to the 10 mg didn't help -- I kept gaining. Finally at the beginning of 2006 I cut down to 5 mg, and now I'm doing 2.5 mg every day. Soon I'll cut down again to 2.5 mg every other day. I've been staying on each "phase" for at least 2-3 weeks to keep from having too many withdrawals. So far I'm okay.

I just can't wait to get this out of my system. I had a similar experience a few years ago with Effexor. About 6 months after I started it, I noticed I had gained 20 lbs, and it took me a long time to taper off of it. I think the Effexor was harder to get off than Lexapro.

The good news is, after being off Effexor for a few months, I started to lose weight. I slowly went back to my normal weight, and stayed there until starting the Lexapro. I didn't really change my habits or work super hard at getting the weight off -- it just seemed to come off. So I'm hoping it will be the same thing with Lexapro.

At the very least, I hope that being off Lexapro will mean I don't continue *gaining* weight.
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sugarplum-

If its any encouragement - I have lost 11.5 pounds... Granted, it have been because I came down too quickly and have subsisted on saltines and v8 juice - the only things that I didn't puke... But, hey, I'll take it where I can get it I just gotta get this out of my system and get my own body back to normal rythm!

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Els,
How long were you on it for? ANd how many mg? COngrats. dizziness sucks
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quote:Originally posted by Elspeth

Hi,

I wanted to let you all know that I have considerably improved over the past 24 hours. At least, my mood has. I'm no longer quite so irritable, my moods are not swinging, the restlessness is gone and the hopelessness I was feeling has passed. I am still having problems with dizziness though!

I don't know why the change ocurred. Yesterday and today I have taken Flax Seed Oil pills (they contain omega 3 and 6 etc), and some kava kava and have continued to exercise daily. So it could be those things, or just the passing of time. It's been 8 days that I've been completely off and am happy to finally be feeling better.

I'm looking forward to the dizziness to abate, but it is somewhat tolerable for now. I'm experiencing dizziness nearly constantly and can even experience it from moving my eyes too quickly. Jeesh!

Thanks!
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Funny,

Most of you seem to have gained weight while on escitalopram. I lost some, actually, which is about the only positive effect I can attribute to the drug.

I, too, seem to be doing better lately in terms of my withdrawal. Instead of nausea, nightmares, fatigue, and vertigo, I now just have massive headaches. Still an improvement...

Oh, BTW, Aunty, the above quoted anti-Prozac text is rather unconvincing. I'm no fan of the SSRI's, but there has to be a more scientific way of arguing against them than saying stuff like, "since I wrote my book, the number of Prozac patient suicides has gone up... blah blah." For all I know, it may well be her poorly argued book that's causing the suicides. :-b

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gnp,

Dr. Tracy's book is excellent and full of great information. but that is my opinion. The mentioned article I just pasted was for the sake of people reading her findings following her years of research.

I personally believe that SSRI's ARE responsible for many of the terrible ctimes such as killing family members and school shootings but you are entitled to your opinion. Not everyone has to agree, that is beauty of this forum, out of the 100,000 people reading these posts, no two people have to agree on a opinion. The SSRI's and cold turkeying from them can cause rage in many with no apathy for the results of the rage. This is not a good combination. Many SSRI users are in a "dream Like state" and do not even recall what happened.

I know reading a article with all of the crimes of people taking SSRI's can seem biased. I have only done a year of research in trying to understand Lexapro withdrawal and my findings from talking to people who have cold turkeyed off of lexapro leads me to believe that Lexapro changes the neurotransmitters in the brain and after stopping or while tapering off of lexapro..............there is great instability in the brain as the meurotransmitters struggle to maintain a sense of balance.

Everyone is different but I do believe that SSRI's use and withdrawal can have devasting effects on a percent of the population.
Thank God not everyone will have the "living out a nightmare effect".

Only posted the article for informative purposes as many may not even realize that many who commit brutal crimes were or just stopped taking their SSRI.

Hi Everyone, will be completely in the new house by Wed.
Hope all are doing well.

For thos e tapering, yes you will stabailize after the tapers. It can take about 14 days on average and then you will begin to feel "normal" again. Afyer doing small tapers over the course of a few months you will begin to see a patterns.

Usually after a reduction in lexapro the effects will be felt about the 4th to 7th day. The withdrawals will continue from about the 7th day to about the 17th day (usually 10 days to 14 days average). By the 21st day you will begin to feel more stable and normal. I usually give a one week of enjoyinging the feeling good effect before tapering again and starting the whole process over again.

A constant taper with no "time off" to feel a sense of normalcy and enjoy "everyday" activities can be hard for the spirit.

Gotta run.
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auntybiotic, I meant to tell you yesterday that I found that article very interesting to read... and I know that you put it out there to try and help these newcombers with some of their questions.


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Hey all, Mr. Spock, Debbie, Aunty.

Just wanted to let you know I appreciate you guys for your faithful postings. I know you post because you care and you have been affected dearly by the SSRI's. To anyone who thinks otherwise, you're on the wrong forum.

I have been checking in on this form about every other day, I just haven't posted because I have been going through a difficult time. I'm starting to question my life and my existence on this shi**y place called earth! I have been sobbing (not crying) sobbing lately.......please someone tell me this will end soon.
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Old 02-14-2006, 05:14 PM
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Kimi-

It will pass. Believe me, I was there and now I am past.

How long have you been off Lex?

Help me refresh your story.

Miss Lee
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Old 02-14-2006, 05:16 PM
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Hey guys,
I've only posted on this forum a couple of times. I only have access to my computer at work, and I usually don't have time to post. But I've been keeping up with you guys for months.

I just want to say that I think I've gotten over my Lexapro withdrawal. I'm not 100%, but I'm feeling a lot like I used to. I was put on Lex for depression and social anxiety. The anxiety is back. I can't say for sure if I'm depressed. Just a little lonely. I stopped taking Lex on Aug. 1. I guess it's taken me six months to get through the withdrawal.

I know many of you have been asking if anyone has lost the weight they gained while on the drug. I went to the doctor today for a back ache. It's been a while since I've been on a scale. I'm about 11 pounds lighter than I was a year ago! So I guess the weight is coming off. I think I gained about 15 or 20 pounds while on Lex. I haven't been taking any supplements consistently. I'm not on a diet, but I have been exercising. I'm pretty sure getting off this drug is the reason I'm losing weight.

Part of me wants to get back on Lexapro. I agree with Debbie that depression is something you have to treat just like heart disease or diabetes. But I am just not comfortable taking anti-depressants for the rest of my life. There's just not enough evidence on what the long-term effects are. This whole withdrawal experience has changed how I feel about medication. My doctor gave me no warnings about how terrible withdrawal could be. If the doctors aren't educated on the best way to get off this medication, how educated can they be about its long-term effects?

I'm taking things one day at a time. I'm thinking about going back into therapy to help me cope with my anxiety. I just know that if I do, my therapist try to encourage me to get back on Lexapro. I cannot go through this withdrawal process again.

Hopefully, I'll figure things out. Good luck to everyone!
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Old 02-14-2006, 05:21 PM
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I know that this forum is about support so here is a story for you.

I am not married and not really ready yet (even though I am 27!)

My faithful boyfriend has been with me through this whole toxic reaction. He really stepped up and did anything he could to aid my recovery. If it was holding me while I sobbed until I literally fell asleep, he would.

Fo valentines, I got a promise ring. Not a promise to get married though. He told me that it is a promise that we will always get through hard times and if I ever doubt it, just to look at this beautiful ring and remember that we got through this. I am tearing just writing this! He is a gem.

Happy valentine's to you all. Remember what is important in life today and pass that positive thought on!

Miss Lee
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Old 02-14-2006, 05:24 PM
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Congrats LexLex!

Way to fight!

Miss Lee
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Old 02-14-2006, 06:02 PM
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Hi Miss Lee,
Thanks for your reply. Since it's been such a blur these last few months......my approximate times on Lexapro and off, as follows.

3 years on Lexapro 10mg and 20mg. I was originally prescribed for general anxiety (which I believe was more situational...my sister passed away at age 32 & a single mom of 4 young kids...so LOTS of stress)... The first 3 weeks were horrible for me on the Lexapro (I should have listened to my body and stopped it then)....I experienced insomnia, agitation, weight loss, more anxiety, and manic feelings.

Anyhow after 3 years on it and 2 years of psycotherapy...I felt it was time to get off of it....I was now experiencing weight gain and never-ending apathy.

I started to taper (I'm sure way to quickly) in Nov/Dec...and took my last dose close to the end of the year. So I'm at about the 1&1/2 month mark.

Yesterday was my last day at a job I've worked at for the last 16 years...so I'm just having a whole lot of overwhelming feelings right now....it seems to change from second to second.

So now I find myself wanting to self-medicate and to sit and listen to Anna Nalick's song "Breathe".......breathe , just breathe.......

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