[Miss Lee]

Well yesterday and today I have been feeling a bit punky-but even in this I am feeling better. So I guess when I have bad days, they are even getting better. I still have that pressure in my head. My chest is also a target.

Aunty- Thanks for that post of symptoms. I have had the WORST CASE OF CHAPPED LIPS for 4 months. Cracked and bleeding constantly. Relentless to even the thickest coat of Lip Chap and TONS of H2O. And I didn't mean to stir up any rumors of oprah. To all that are reading : I was just kidding. I meant that these stories belong on a public forum like that. DISCLAIMER.

Mr. Spock- I do have to agree with Red on your kind sentiment.

I have been going through this for about 4 months and 1 week. My symptoms are getting SLOWLY better. I still have heightened anxiety (but I am hard pressed to tell whether it is the meds or the sheer terror of the reaction that I had).

How are you all today? My head feels pressure and I am jittery. The "oh no's" are also back for a repeat. But I SHALL OVERCOME! (appropriate for the upcoming holiday!)

Miss Lee

[debbie724]

To: auntybiotic, Mr. Spock, Redbled, Marylun1, Torxis, mohannie, and everyone else...

How are you? I'm doing well. The dizziness only lasted about 24 hours. I'm still not sleeping well... but I'm not bothered about that... as I have more energy now than I've had in years! I do have another symptom that started a couple days ago... but it isn't really new (I've had it in the past... but had no idea it was related to the Lexapro). I spend hours each day trying to educate myself on the stories from other people that have been on Lexapro. I am shocked to discover how many things that I have experienced over these past few years are things that are very common to those on Lexapro. Anyway, this reoccuring problem is something I read in this forum that I believe [u]Mr. Spock</u> or [u]Redbled</u> and someone else were talking about. It's that shocking feeling that you get when you move your head/eyes side to side. I'm wondering if this is a problem that I will have reoccuring forever... or if it may sometime go away? I'm also wondering if this is what everyone refers to as "brain zaps"? It doesn't hurt... it's just very annoying... especially when driving. If anyone else is experiencing this... pay close attention to your wrist or arms when you move your head/eyes from side to side... do you also feel something in your wrist or arms... it's like a little shock... which makes me think this is due to the nervous system??? Anyone know more about this? I went to see a brain doc a couple years ago and had a CAT scan and it came out normal??? [u]Mr. Spock</u>, as I have said to [u]auntybiotic</u>... you too are an inspiration to all of us, you are obviously a very loving, caring, knowledgable person. I have great respect for both of you. [u]Redbled</u>, like [u]auntybiotic</u>... you didn't only make me giggle at your earlier post... you cracked me up. Thanks for the laugh. [u]Marylun1</u>, as I mentioned above... I have spent a lot of time of late... researching Lexapro... and I have found 3 people so far that have gained 60lbs., and it seems that the majority of others have gained anywhere from 15lbs. to 40lbs. I myself have gained 30lbs. which was my initial reason for stopping the Lexapro. I too wonder if anyone has been successful in losing the weight after stopping the Lexapro. Have yet to find an answer on that one yet. [u]RedPA</u>, I'm SO sorry to hear about your friend... I'm sure that you are in shock and it will hit you soon enough. Remember we are here! [u]mohannie</u>, I got a so called "fortune" out of a fortune cookie a few years ago and it basically said what Mr. Spock said... "Self Love... is your first love"! You must first learn to love yourself. That is NOT an easy thing for all of us to do. I now live by that saying and have learned to love myself. I'm 44 years old. Please don't take as long as I did to learn this. [u]Torxis</u>, I really don't think it is a good idea for you to help your friend (personally) at this time. Maybe you can guide him into help and help him via the telephone or the internet. I have had my own past experiences with drug abuse... it's especially hard when it's in front of you. I don't think that 4 days clean for your friend is strong enough for you to be around. I personally wouldn't take the chance. Congradulations on your 125 days clean. I love this site and I'm so glad that I have it to turn to each and everyday. I hope that I have gotten everyone's names and stories straight. You all have touched my heart and I hope that I too can touch yours.



debbie

[debbie724]

mohannie, the reason I called that a so called "fortune" was because I always thought that a fortune was as follows... &lt;can tell your fortune&gt;; also: a prediction of fortune. Refer to the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary for this meaning and the others. You will see that this truly was a fortune to me... in my own way. I hope that you can share some of my fortune.


debbie

[debbie724]

One more symptom... diarreah of the mouth. Sorry I have babbled on so long. I can't stop talking these days.


debbie

[auntybiotic]

Ms. Lee,
Glad you are feeling better, the chapped lips are horrible, my daughter has them also. I knew you were kidding about Oprah, just wanted to make sure noone was glued to their TV waiting for my appearance.

Debbie,

Your memory is so much better then mine, you not only address each poster by their name but you keep their story straight.The brain zaps that you are referring to are due to the misfiring of the neurotransmitters in the brain. The misfiring is caused by unbalanced serotonin levels due to tapering or stopping the lexapro. The levels will repair themselves but it takes time. The zaps should get better as time passes.Omega 3's should help.

Tamara,

What is your current Lexapro dose? How have you tapered?

Torxix,

I second the notion that I would stay away from the friend who has just become clean. Make up any excuse but protect yourself, it is so easy to fall off the wagon.

[RedPA]

Hi all,
Hope my posts have been going through. Feeling like with so many posters being so close, mine might be easily overlooked.

Red

[Mr Spock]

Hi All,
Redbled, If I wasn't straight also, I'd go for you as well, although I don't think your sweet wife would be impressed!!!! It was a really nice complement though, and also really cracked me up. Actually, I received a letter from my last ex who lives about 300 miles away yesterday, having not been in contact with her for over a year when she finished the relationship (I sent her a Christmas card a month ago to re-initiate contact). Anyway, it was quite sweet and touching, and considering that we had two goes at a relationship, there is no way I'd try for a third time, however she is one of the loves of my life so I'm sure we will end up as really good friends. The letter has put me in a bit of a mushy mood, however, and I received it after I'd written yesterday's post!!!
Auntybiotic, as you know my admiration and respect for you is mutual, and Miss Lee you seem like a real darling with lots of courage.
Debbie, like yourself, and as an adjunct to yesterday, in my younger days I always looked to find my own happiness in other people, but as the years roll on (I'm actually 48!), I've found it doesn't work. Also, a relationship like that is doomed to fail and am now convinced that the best type of relationship is between two individuals secure in themselves, who, whilst having a committment, respect and great love between them do not end up becoming co-dependent which is the antithesis of a healthy relationship.
I warned you all I was in a sappy mood!!!
Red PA you could either be going through that emotional detachment when one has whilst on an SSRI like Lexapro, or the first stages of grief. These stages briefly are denial, bargaining, anger, depression and acceptance. More than likely the first stage may be applicable which is the mind's way of coping with the shock. You will feel it eventually and it will probably hit you like a ton of bricks. When that happens, don't fight it as it is normal and healthy for this to occur.

Live Long and Prosper

[debbie724]

auntybiotic, so are you saying that what I am experiencing when I move my head/eyes side to side are the "brain zaps" that everyone is talking about? Also, I got together with the guy I am dating this evening for the first time since I started tappering off the Lexapro (he has been away for several weeks). I noticed something different. When he would touch me in certain places...[:0] kindof non sexual...[:I] I frequently experienced a feeling almost like you get when someone shocks you... but it felt really good. Do you think this has anything to do with those neurotransmitters? Or, from stopping the Lexapro? Or, do you think that I might have just missed him a lot? I'm 44 years old and never missed anyone that much before??? Just curious. If it is a "withdrawal" effect... I sure hope it doesn't go away. []


debbie

[Redbled]

Torxis,

I third the motion that you steer clear of helping others. You first have help yourself and that involves making sure you are so far from that addition that it can't even tempt you. And even then I'd steer clear. Your family is your most important thing.

Debbie,

I get those shocks when I drive or move my head from side to side. I don't think of them as zaps though, as zaps did not need a reason to come and were much more intense. Baby zaps maybe

Ms. Lee,

I'm feeling average today, but I totally relate to you when you say your bad days are not so bad anymore.

Mr. Spock,

Its good to hear you are in a sappy mood. I could not even imagine not being with the love of my life. But I do think it would be tough to try something like that for the 3rd time. I'm so lucky in that I have very little negative items in my life if any. Without this drug, I don't think I'd really ever have a "bad" day. The Lord has blessed me greatly.

To Aunty,

My lips really have never seemed different, though I have experienced so many things from your previous post that are effecting me. I printed it and my wife and I read through it tonight. One of the oddest things is how smells can make me ill. She can't even wear perfume right now or I go nuts. Painting her nails is out too. Whenever she cleans the house, I burn incense, cause that smell doesn't bother me, but anything clean does. It really sucks.

To everyone,

Hang in there, time is the greatest healer.



Only took Lexapro for 10 days, as a doctors response to my brief anxiety over a treatable medical condition. Took my last pill at the very end of August.

[debbie724]

Redbled, thanks for explaining the difference between the "baby zaps" that I am experiencing and the "brain zaps" that I hope not to experience.


debbie

[debbie724]

Marylun1, I guess I can now testify that there is weight loss after Lexapro. I'm down 6 pounds now... and haven't even changed my eating habits. 24 more to go!!!

debbie

[mohannie]

Hi guys,

I just want to offer words of encouragement to everyone. I've seemed to "mellow out" now that I've stopped taking the Lex, and moved on to Paxil. I'm on 12.5 mg so that I can get off anti-depressants completely. With the help of going to therapy twice a week, I can change my entire way of thinking, which I have discovered is quite bad. I was in the process of finding an apartment, but I've run into several dead ends. That was starting to put me in a bad place, but I'm not going to let it. I must say that I haven't had any thoughts of harming myself as of late, so I believe I'm making progress. Thanks to all for all of your support.

[debbie724]

mohannie, good job!!! You sound so much more positive today. Keep trying to look at the glass as half full... not half empty. We are so lucky to have each other here. I don't sleep well... so I check in here often. You ever feel like cutting or have any other bad thoughts and you want to talk to someone... leave a message. I'll be there for you... along with many others here.


debbie

[debbie724]

mohannie, my message to you was my 13th post in here... my lucky number. Maybe that... along with sharing my fortune as I mentioned previously are things that are looking up for you. I care.


debbie

[mohannie]

Thank you so much debbie. It means a lot to me that you along with others are here to support me, and I'm also here to support you guys as well. I will definitely keep in mind that when I start feeling like I want to cut, I'll talk to you guys.

[debbie724]

mohannie, I sent you a personal email...

debbie

[auntybiotic]

quote:Originally posted by auntybiotic

Hi Everyone,

Happy Friday the 13TH....this will be our LUCKY day.

Debbie,

I am not sure what the sensation you are feeling but I do know that while tapering and quittng Lexapro, it will make you hypersexual for quite awhile. I guess thats a built in defense to get your mind off withdrawaling. (smile).

So glad so many are feeling better and are supporting one another

Mr. Spock,

How sweet of you to send the Christmas card, being friends with someone that once was the love of your life is very rewarding. I am in that exact situation as of one month ago. You can share those things that you both have in common and walk away from the issues that caused stress in the "relationship". I know they say three times is the charm BUT I think twice is more then enough.
I am sure doors will open to bring a woman into your life that will take your breath away...and you deserve it.If not youalways have all of us (men and women) that are "starry eyed". (smile)

RedBled.

Your posts have been getting thru and thank you for your presence and sharing your experiences, you are helping so many others who just read andarenot yet posting.Thanks to all here that ar posting.......your experiences help so many understand lexapro withdrawal.

[debbie724]

auntybiotic, glad to hear from you. I thought I might have scared everyone away with the report of my visit to the guy that I am dating. Speaking of whom... I am VERY worried about at this time. We haven't been going out for really long... so I don't know anyone to contact about him. He is having serious problems with his leg (old injury - gulf war) and may have to have it amputated. I mentioned earlier that he had been away for a few weeks... he had to cut his trip short by a few weeks because of his leg. He was in Mexico and didn't want to end up in a hospital there. He went to see his doctor at John Hopkin's yesterday and we were supposed to get together afterwards. I never heard from him and I am worried sick now. I'm not family... so I have no way to find out anything. I guess I'll just have to wait it out. Needless to say... I haven't slept all night. On a good note... I'm now down 7 1/2 pounds!!! Yeah!!! There is weight loss after lexapro! I'm with you on the Friday the 13th day... I too believe it is a lucky day! 13 is my favorite number. Talk to you soon.



debbie

[Torxis]

Hi All, Hope You All Are Well-

Debbie, AuntyB., Redbled-I can't thank you enough for your response. After listening to your advice, talking it over with my sponsor, and after some deep, deep thought, I'v decided to give it some time. I'm glad to hear that my friend Ed wants to get clean. The thing is he's said this before, he's been to rehabs in the past, goes to NA and has a sponsor. He did these things in the past without me. If he is really serious this time he can put some significant clean time between himself and his addiction before I put myself out there on that line. I have this problem that pushes me to help others, sometimes to my own detriment. It's what got me into nursing in the first place, but as a nurse, I have a team to work with. In this situation it would just be him and me. I'e decided to go with my gut feeling. Since that feeling is one of apprehension, I'm just going to wait. As you mentioned, I have my kids to consider. That's the most important thing to me. I'm not yet strong enough to take on anyone else's problems. I haven't even got my own life back together yet. I have to concentrate on myself right now. If that sounds selfish I'm sorry but try to realize that if you can't help someone else until you've got yourself together. Once again, thank you so much for your input.

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[mohannie]

Torxis,

I have been guilty of taking on the problems of others so I wouldn't have to worry about my own. I've decieded to just focus on me right now, because my issues need a lot of attention. So let's say 2006 will be a year of making ourselves top priority.

[debbie724]

Torxis, I think you definately made a wise decision... and it NEVER hurts to go with your "gut" feelings... they usually know best! Congradulations on another day clean. We are both very fortunate to have children... if you EVER don't feel like you have enough love for yourself to stay clean and strong... do it for your children. We made the choice to bring them into this world and it's our choice to give them the BEST parent possible! You can read my story regarding my problem with depression (a few messages earlier). One thing that I didn't say there was... that before I was properly diagnosed... suicide was a daily option (thought) for me. About six years ago... when my daughter was 15 and in an abussive relationship... she was having serious trouble with depression and "wanting out". I made a pact with her then... that for each other... neither on of us has the right to "get out". If for NO other reason... we must live for each other. Our love for each other, and time... has helped her through... and that pact has kept me from being allowed to have the option EVER again! The memories of your children will be SO many more and SO much clearer... being clean!


debbie

[debbie724]

Torxis, look above... I just sent you a message.



debbie

[Torxis]

Hi again, I have a question. I have taken lexapro in the past. Twice to be exact, the last time quite recently. Although I came off it without any noticeable adverse effects, I was wondering if anyone minded if I post here. I realize this post's topic is Lexapro WD's But you guys are just too terrific. My issue IS with withdrawals and I have been and will continue to post on those boards. But the level of commitment and consistency here is exceptional! I'm a single dad with residential custody of my 9 and 11 year old sons. I very recently got clean after a three year drug addiction. Since getting clean I've been spending all my free time with my kids. I'm trying to get into a support program of meetings three nights a week, but there's a waiting list. I'm confident that I'm through with drugs but still could use lots of support while coping with the concequences.I haven't the wherewithal to look for and get involved in a personal relationship. Thanx 4 listening-&gt; TOM

[kimi_d]

Hello everyone,

Just thought I'd check in, I've enjoyed catching up on the last few pages of posts.

I went through 3 weeks on the 10mg lexapro (tapering from the 20mg). About 4 days ago I quit taking it all together. This was not a conscious decision. As I really respect everyones advice here. Psycologically (sp?) I found it difficult to continue swallowing the tablets. I now hated Lexapro, felt it was almost like poison to me, so I was gagging and getting nauseous thinking about taking it.

I'm not at all saying this is the way to go, because I'm sure it is too soon to tell. But some of the things I have experienced: extreme fatigue and lack of energy. Mild dizziness. Decreased appetite (this is good for me). And some "soppy" moments. Still not enough to make me go back, but I know it's there if I need it.

Today, my thinking seems a little clearer, as it hasn't been since the tapering. This is encouraging.

On the lighter side, after reading the last few pages of posts, I have to tell you guys (Mr. Spock, Redbled,Aunty) .. I love the fact that you guys are so fond of eachother. That you are a bunch of 'soppy' folks. Why does are society think that a little "soppiness" is such a shame to be hidden? Do you think the great thinkers, writers, poets and artists of world history were a bunch of sop-heads like ourselves? So thanks to you guys, I committ to embracing my soppiness instead of medicating it !

Keepin' hope alive just for today.

[Mr Spock]

Hello everyone,
Well yesterday came the parasthesia and the "zaps" with a vengeance. Coupled with a bit of sunburn, and the usual heaviness and lethargy, it seemed back to square one. However, it was probably another layer of the onion being peeled back. It will be 4 months in a few days so I have a feeling that there is going to be at least a noticible improvement in the next month, although maybe not a complete reversal of all the symptoms. I really want to get back to work (as an RN) and save some money as later this year I intend to do my practical legal training (30 weeks full time), so that I can start practising as a lawyer (I recently completed my law degree).
With regards to relationships, I truly believe that one can have several "loves of their lives". I have the good fortune to have kept in contact with 2 of the 4 I have had and I truly wish the best happiness for both of them. This is also what I wish for Tracey (the most recent one). However, I could not imagine having another relationship with her and I am sure, neither could she.
Therefore I know exactly what you are talking about Aunty, and I would imagine that you will have (if not already) a very powerful and special friendship with this person you keep in contact with.
I fully understand your reasoning, Redbled, however I think that not only is your wife a love of your life, she is also your "soul mate". Good luck to both of you, although it is bad luck for all the men who you profess desire for!!!!!
I have no doubt that all of us (apart from Redbled and Debbie who is showing great courage and loyalty with her "gentleman friend") will meet someone else special when we are ready. The comments I made in my last post are pertinent, though.
The reason for this is summed in a song called ECHO BEACH.
"I know its out of fashion, and a trifle uncool,
but I can't help it, I'm a romantic fool".

Peace and Long Life.

[debbie724]

Mr. Spock, I don't know about that courage and loyalty thing... I have spent today hiding in my home... upset at that man that I am dating. I mentioned in an earlier message to auntybiotic that I was really worried about him. Well, I never heard from him... until this afternoon. His excuse was that he was sleeping. I've been hurt to many times to be stupid. I told him he would have been better off telling me that he ran into an old friend or lover or whatever... and that he couldn't call me. He was sleeping??? I last spoke to him at noon-ish yesterday before he went to his doctor's appointment. We were supposed to go out last evening... and he was going to call me when he got home. Having not heard from him... and knowing the severity of his leg injury (possible amputation)... I thought the worst! How can someone not take 30 seconds to email or phone you to let you know they are okay??? I've spent a lot of time crying and angry today. Is this because of where I am in stopping the Lexapro. Or, was I okay in my thinking? I haven't known him long... just long enough for a foolish romantic like me to begin to fall in love.


debbie

[Mr Spock]

Hi Debbie,
Sorry to hear about the rough day and turn of events. You are extremely vulnerable during this withdrawal (as we all are!), and it sounds like you've also spent a bit of time at Echo Beach!!!
Please tell me to "sod off" as the English say, if I'm out of place, but is it love, or is it some sort of emotional dependence? I have mistaken the two in my own life more times than I would like to admit with my own relationships, as I'm sure most other members of this forum have also done. This is course except for Redbled, although he only propositions men (sorry Red, it was funny the first time, but is probably wearing thin by now).
By the way, Redbled, how are you travelling? Are the symptoms abating in duration and regularity? you would be about 4 1/2 months now so must be closing in on full recovery...
Aunty, did you get my e mail? I'll check mine now.

[Mr Spock]

Hi Debbie,
Sorry to hear about the rough day and turn of events. You are extremely vulnerable during this withdrawal (as we all are!), and it sounds like you've also spent a bit of time at Echo Beach!!!
Please tell me to "sod off" as the English say, if I'm out of place, but is it love, or is it some sort of emotional dependence? I have mistaken the two in my own life more times than I would like to admit with my own relationships, as I'm sure most other members of this forum have also done. This is course except for Redbled, although he only propositions men (sorry Red, it was funny the first time, but is probably wearing thin by now).
By the way, Redbled, how are you travelling? Are the symptoms abating in duration and regularity? you would be about 4 1/2 months now so must be closing in on full recovery...
Aunty, did you get my e mail? I'll check mine now.

[Redbled]

Aunty,

Thanks for the love. I know I will get better, but do promise this. Long after I am well I will visit this board to help others. At first I was here just for me, but now realize I was "lead" here for more than that.

Debbie,

I'm not sure how close you and your guy are, but I think you are very justified in being angry about him not letting you know his condition. Perhaps he really was tired, and a bit out of his mind with stress. Some men seem to do better when they keep their issues to themselves. Some hate admitting weakness. Don't bail on him just for that, but you are right to be angry, and that's with or without the Lexa**** in your system.

Tom,

Many of us are cursed with the desire to help others. One important thing I've learned in my old age, I'm 32 by the way, is that we are useless to help others with their specific issues until we ourselves are strong enough to overcome those issues. This of course does not apply to everything, but its a good rule to consider. Its good you are strong enough to admit your weakness.

Kimi,

Lets just keep being soppy

Mr. Spock,

My wife is wonderful, I'm one of the lucky ones. The hitting on male references will always be funny for me now As for timetables, I was thinking reading your earlier posts that right before the 4 month point I seemed to really hit a low. Its what first brought me back to the board. Some zaps, but mainly stomach issues. A lot of tightness in that area, and feeling ill most of the time. The last few days have been above average. Tonight I felt a bit ill actually, but I think it may have been from giving in and having some ice cream earlier this afternoon. I really, really believe that what we eat really heightens how we feel, and I say that for others more than you as I know you too believe this.

To everyone,

Take care of your bodies. Its the most basic of principles, but what we put in affects us so much. Drugs, alcohol, smoking, caffeine. I of course could include meat, to much cheese, chocolate, though for some I know that is going to far. Being a Christian I believe our bodies are the temple of God. But whether you believe in God or not, I think we can all agree our bodies are a temple. Its also the only one we have on this earth, so do all we can to cherish it. I just wish I had known as much about Lexa**** as I do about other health issues in life.

Only took Lexapro for 10 days, as a doctors response to my brief anxiety over a treatable medical condition. Took my last pill at the very end of August.

[debbie724]

Mr. Spock, I think you hit the nail on the head... looking back at all of my "relationships" since my seperation and divorce... I guess I am very emotionally dependant. And where is Echo Beach? You are probably right about that too! A couple days ago I felt on top of the world. I'm dating this guy... whom I'm thinking is really aussume (with or without his disability) and in one day I rec'd contact from two guys that I had previously dated... one that I cared a great deal for (probably a combination of LUST and emotional dependance) but here again... I thought it was "love". So, after being pissed (I'm not sure if your defination of "pissed" is being mad or drunk... but I'm using it in the first way) at the guy I am currently dating... I call the old flame and tell him that I am no longer dating the current guy and that I will go out with him. I told him about the whole situation. Like you, Redbled... he agreed I should be angry... but defended the poor guy. I sure as heck hope you are following me. Before last evening was up... I realized I was an emotional mess and very fulnurable... so I called the old flame and cancelled and cried like a baby. Later, I got a phone call from the current guy... he was on his way out the door... taking his friend (who is mentally challanged) to a singles dance up the street and wanted to know if I wanted to meet them there. Now I'm really confused. I'm happy that the guy has forgiven me for my emotional outburst of anger earlier in the day... but he has now proven my point. His leg hurts to bad to call me the evening before and let me know he is okay... but it doesn't hurt to bad to go to the singles dance the following evening???????? It's no wonder I'm an emotional mess! Wednesday before last, another guy I used to date... who frequently calls me when he's drinking (he doesn't have his daughter on Wednesdays)... called me 29 times... trying to get me to go back out with him. He left messages with each call... beginning with friendly messages telling me how much he misses me and loves me... and ending with three messages of very dark poems. I stopped dating the guy because he threw my cell phone at me when he was drinking one evening. He's got me so scared that I'm now sleeping with my gun very close by. Don't worry, it's in a locked box... but it makes me feel safe knowing it's close by. Last Wednesday night I almost gave my poor parot a heart attack. My dog needed to go out... and I was so scared about taking her out in the middle of the night that I forgot to turn my alarm off. I just don't know anymore about this whole dating game. I think maybe I should stick to dating my parents. They live one street up from me and we are best friends. We get together nearly every day and do dinner, shopping, movies, etc. Sorry I've rambled so much. I really don't know what to do now. Gotta go... we are having a thunder storm and my doggie is shaking. Thanks guys!


debbie