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Old 01-09-2007, 05:02 PM
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Chrissy and Skywalk and Ineedhope,

First for those having severe stomach issues.......Garden of Eden Primal Defense works very well.............it is costly, about $39 a bottle but is worth it's weight in gold.........believe me.

My daughter aws actually on 20 mg but due to the interaction with the Biaxin it was actually comparable to about 35 Mg of Lexapro (or more) with the increase due to the p 450 Cytochrome system.........she is also a slow metabolizer.

She is down to 7.5 Mg of Lexapro and is able to function................we reduce by 1 to 2% every two weeks but by doing this the withdrawals have been managable..........it will just take long time to get off. When trying to reduce by more the nightmares, stomach cramps, chills and mood liability were horrible. School attendance has been greatly improved with the minute reductions. I have noticed now that she is on a much lower dose she is beginning to be creative again by drawing, etc. Prior to this she would retreat to her room often.

The dizziness can be managed by dramamine. Also the dizziness can be caused by blood sugar levels being unbalanced due to the lexapro. A handful of walnuts eaten thruout the day will stabalize the blood sugar levels and help the dizziness. Make sure those of you reducing keep a close eye on blood sugar levels by blood testing because I wonder if the SSRI's are not causing diabetes in many.

There are various brand of Omega Fish Oils so follow the directions..I do not think 3 is too many if directed to take that amount on the bottle. Carson's liquid fish oil is the brand that seems to work the best..........no mercury contamination as some may have.

Ineedhope,

Your reduction was extremely fast but everyone is different. I can tell you from personally talking to so many lexapro users that some of the side effects (emotional) set in about at the 3 to 4 month mark of being completely off the lexapro. The first phase is the physical symptoms that seem to appear about seven days after the reduction and last till about day 14 to 20 then you will start to stabalize until your next reduction.

There is the second stage of withdrawal that includes the depersonalization and a faraway look in ones eyes (as may be described by your family and friends)....this seem to happen about 3 to 4 months after being off after a cold turkey or fast taper off of the lexapro. Most become afraid at this stage but it will pass......be patient.A I said.............with many it can take about 18 months.

I am not a doctor but if it were myself or a family member.............I would do a much slower taper then you have done. After 5 weeks being off the lexapro you will not be able to reinstate..it will not help symptoms at that point.

Again I am so glad that I as well as others have been able to help and reach so many by posting our experiences to this topic.

All I can say from experience is that SLOW tapers really do allow the neurotransmitters in the brain to heal without possible permanent damage...........at least it appears to help.

I know 5% is the recommended taper in Dr. Tracy's book but in my daughter's case that was far too much and caused too much distress.
Everyone is different and the lower the dosage gets the harder the tapers will be. I am praying that my daughter continues to be able to handle the symptoms as her dose goes lower.

I know of a man that was on 15 Mg of Lexapro for abou a year. He tapered to 10 Mg for about three months, then 5 Mg for a few months and never had any withdrawals. he ten stopped the Lexapro and at about the 4 month mark he became very ill with the depersonalization....it has been two years and he still is not feeling himself...............that is enough for me to realize that tapering slowly is essential for long term benefits even if the taper is smooth and not many withdrawals are noticed.



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Old 01-09-2007, 06:31 PM
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aunty,

remember me? well, i finally finished tapering about 3 weeks and doing AMAZING!!! i'm SO happy. so free. i now know i NEVER had to be on this stuff. i gained 30 lbs which i'm having problems losing.
thanks for all your help. i tapered for 8 months. 5% each 3 weeks. and barely had any withdrawals. thanks to you!!!!!!!!! i hope all is well with your daughter. you're a smart lady.
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Old 01-09-2007, 07:38 PM
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sarita,

Of couse I remember you. Congratulations.............I am sure The Road Back helped a lot also.

Now I have a question. When did you notice the weight gain............while tapering or close to the end of tapering from the lexapro? Have you had your cortisol levels checked by 24 hour saliva testing recently........just curious if the weight gain, especially if it's bloating in the mid section can be from high cortisol from previous Lexapro. When did you zero out? Are you craving carbs?

Keep in mind that about at the three month off mark, you may notice emotional withdrawals but they will pass....so be forewarned. But you did such a slow taper because you were only on 5 Mg that your neurotransmitters are most likely doing well.

I am so happy for you! Keep feeling great!!



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Old 01-09-2007, 08:01 PM
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Aunty,

You scared me with the story about the guy having issues two years later. Does it have something to do with how long you were on it? I was only on it for six weeks, 10mg. My doctor told me to take 5mg for 3 days to taper and then stop. It was too late when I found this forum. This month, my third month, has been really bad. I feel down a lot (I never had depression before), can't handle even small stress and still feel funny in my head w/depersonalization and stomach cramping.
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Old 01-09-2007, 08:04 PM
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[HI AUNTY!!![/red]

THIS IS TAVEE(TINA).I DONT KNOW IF U REMEMBER ME. I SENT U A COUPLE OF EMAILS AND U HAD RESPONDED, BUT THEN SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH THE FORUM AND THEY DIDNT ALLOW THAT.I WANT TO GET PREGNANT IN THE SUMMER SO I WANTED TO STOP LEX ALONG WITH OTHER REASONS.

I AM ON DAY 9 OF 4 ML.I WAS ON 10 MG FOR 3 YRS. I STARTED TAPERING IN OCTOBER WITH THE LIQUID JUST HOW U SAID. THANK U SO MUCH FOR URE HELP.EVERYTHING IS GOING WELL SO FAR EXCEPT FOR PMS. I GET REALLY IRRITATED AND THAT WASNT THE CASE WHEN I WAS ON THE LEX.

HOW IS URE DAUGHTER DOING? I READ URE POST EARLIER. I HOPE ALL IS WELL AND I HOPE SHE GETS OFF THIS STUFF SAFELY.

THANKS FOR SUPPORTING EVERYONE AND GIVING US ALL GREAT ADVICE. IF IT WERENT FOR U I DONT KNOW WHAT I WOULD HAVE DONE..

WE SHOULD CONTACT OPRAH OR SOMETHING AND SHARE OUR STORIES ABOUT THIS POWERFUL DRUG.

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thanks aunty. do you know of anything that helps with anxiety?
i've been really nervous/anxious lately. i really need something to help me sleep.
relaxation/ concentration is i think the worst problem for me. not good since i really need to get a lot of rest and im trying to take a calculus class...
anyone know of anything that might help? i tried that mood formula and it helped a little, but i recently learned that you can't take st. john's wort at the same you take an antidepressant.
everything seems so complicated!
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Old 01-09-2007, 09:21 PM
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oh, and aunty, you really seem to know a lot about this stuff...
im on 10 mg, have been for about 4 months, and really having trouble tapering, what would you recommend? i do want everything to go smoothly, and im willing to taper as slowly as i have to, i just don't know what to try. 5 mg i think may be too fast, b/c thats what i tried before and i couldnt handle it. i'm clueless about all this, really.
do you have to take it at the exact same time every day? i haven't really been doing that.. i mean, i take it after breakfast each morning, but is it important that its at the exact same time?
and im having trouble cutting the pill into smaller doses. is there some other form i could get it in?
i have so many questions.. i wish the doctors knew more about this.
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Old 01-09-2007, 11:42 PM
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Skywalk and Rubiek...

So glad the article helped you! It is crazy what affect it has on your nervous system and the rest of your body--I even had a lot of hairloss that is now growing back!

Skywalk--what did you do for the muscle aches when you had them? Did you take anything for them, like advil? Also, what did your naturpath give you for your hormones?

Does anyone else suffer from muscles stiffness and aches?

Thanks!
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Old 01-09-2007, 11:43 PM
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Oh yeah, rubiek, that is really interesting about the low acid diet symptoms....thanks!
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Hello all,

I have been lurking on this forum all night and I just wanted to share my story and maybe get some help in the process.

I'm 21 years old and started taking Lexapro exactly 6 months ago. I have always been a little depressed most of my life I suppose, but then again I'm really quite optimistic person and people describe me as happy go lucky.

I had been having digestive issues for about a year and a half before getting on Lexapro. I was diagnose with Celiac disease a year and a half ago, and I also now know I can't tolerate processed foods. It took me until this August to figure out why I was throwing up all the time (from the other intolerances). Sadly it took doctors 6 months to diagnose my celiac, and then no normal doctors diagnosed my other food intolerances--- after a year and a half of research I figure it out on my own, but went to a naturopathic doctor for and Eliza test, just to make sure, and guess what! I was right.--- normal doctors wouldn't give me the test, they said I was just being dramatic and that the heartburn meds should make me feel better .

Well in June of 2006 I was at an all time low. I was puking and feeling sick to my stomach all the time, terrible heartburn, and insomnia. I was a wreak. I had toyed with the idea of taking anti-depressants for a few years as I had struggled with an eating disorder since I was 17 (now recovered ! , and had gotten the blues more than most. But I was always very hesitant as I'm not too fond of drugs, or chemicals in general. I also was afraid they would effect my artwork (I'm a painter). But after seeing a mental health office and at the suggestion of my gastrointeroligist I decided to try lexapro. They said it had the least amount of side effects. I researched it a bit, but obviosuly not enough.

It made me feel better almost immediately, and I sometimes forgot to take it for a few days and would then start feeling dizzy or get major brain fog and want to sleep a lot. This worried me but I kept taking it because I wanted to keep myself stable enough to get out of my low. I did. And over this last semester at school I noticed I was feeling "Ok", but my art was not where I wanted it to be, and I didn't totally feel myself--- big problem to me, really big. I also started to see my current boyfriend. He is the best guy I have ever dated , and I've dated quite a lot so it's a big deal to me. But I felt like the drugs were not letting me experience everything I could with him.

So December 29th or so I went off cold turkey. I knew it was gonna be hard, but not this hard! Now I know I need to do this gradually, which upsets me because I want to be off this stuff pronto! The harsh withdrawls didn't fully set in until a few days ago, and man, I feel like I'm going insane! A few hours ago I cut off a sliver of my 10mg pill and took it. I hated doing it, but I guess it's my only choice.

I have been moody as hell with my boyfriend, I have been dizzy, sleeping a lot, sick to my stomach, having sinus headaches, I threw up yeasterday morning, super brain fog, speedy, restless, and very very sad. I have been on the verge of crying a lot, and I never cry! Thank god my boyfriend is understanding and wants to help. I had him read a few of the psots on here so he can see how bad it can really get for some people, and that I'm not alone.

I remember when I first got on Lexapro my gasto doc put me on Reglan to move food out of my stomach. That stuff made me suicidel- and I only took it for two days! I have never felt like that- but now I feel like that again. . I know it's not me, but I can't help but feel scared and worried.

It's very funny I have even tried some of the drugs my normal docs have given me--- I have been prescribed about 25-30 different meds in 2 years... for my digestive issues. I have only filled about 6 of them to try them- took most of them for a week or two and stopped. I think drug companies are a sham, and have a strong dislike for the medical community. Now that I live in an area where natural medicine and doctors are plentiful I have switched gears to naturopathic docs--- with huge sucsess!

I see some of you post natural things to take or vitamins. I take a few things right now--- but I'm afraid to take herbs because of a possible reaction. I take a liqiud mulitvitamin, dairy free acidipholus, vit c, b's, a and e, fish oil, papaya and bromelian enzymes for digesetion. Anything else I need to add to the list?

must I really go down only 5%? I want to get off this stuff so bad!!! tapering down seems to take so much longer than actually being on the drug. . This saddens me.

Any help would be appreciated, and if you made it to the end of my long post, thank you .

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I am NOT a doctor, just a mother who has researched Lexapro for quite awhile and read many books on withdrawaling from antidepressants, So please keep this in mind when reading my posts.I am not giving any medical advice only relaying what has worked for some others withdrawaling from Lexapro.

There is a liquid lexapro available or if not available to you....... you can crush the Lexapro tablet in cranberry juice and throw away the liquid in the amount that you are tapering. Dr. Tracy's book recommends tapering 5% but even that may be too much for some.

To taper 5% of 10 Mg it would be approx as follows:
Taper from 10 MG to 9.5 Mg using the Lexapro liquid.............wait until you stabilize which varies but usually takes about 3 weeks (sometimes longer).

Once stable you can choose to taper again by 5% as suggested in Dr. Tracy's book which would be from 9.5 MG to approx 9 Mg

Once stable a next 5% taper would be approx 8.7 Mg

Once stable next taper would be approx 8.3 Mg and so on as the math would dictate.

There is a way to use the tablets disolved in cranverry juice or a liquid...this is written in detail on the Yahoo Withdrawal and Recovery Group. You can also ask your pharmacist how to change tablet to liquid for tapering.

You can Take your 10 Mg pill and crush in 10 Ml of liquid and mix until disolved.
Then go to your local pharmacy and ask for a FREE BP syringe in a 10 Ml and a 1 Ml syringe (you will have two syringes).

Depending on the amount you are choosing to taper, after disolving the 10 Mg tablet in 10 Ml liquid you would measure up the whole number in the 10 Ml syringe (for examle if your taper was 9.4 Ml...you would measure out the 9 in the large syringe. Take the 1 ml syringe and measure out the 4/10 of a Ml in the I ml syringe by going to line 4.
Dicard the amount of of liquid remaining. You will have now tapered from 10 Mg approx 5%.

The time taking Lexapro varies, Redbled and Ms. Lee only took for a short time...one cannot say how it will effect someone.

I did not mean to scare anyone, I am only relating information given to me.

Please remember I am not a doctor and you may want to check with your doctor before following any suggestions given here or anywhere on the internet. Dr. tacy's book is available online and is excellent reading.

For Anxiety, Dr. bach's Flower essences have been used by many. They are available at most Vitamin Stores or Health food Stores. I recall that Cherry Plum and/or White Chestnut are recommened by the manufacturer for anxiety. You can read more about Flower essences on line to double check, if you are interested.


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Old 01-10-2007, 09:37 AM
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Thank you aunty! I trust people with experience in the issue more than I would ever trust a doctor, and you seem to have a lot. I will try the liquid way, and going to a pharmacy is easy since I live right above one.

I guess I'd rather be patient than sorry.

I'll keep you posted.
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Old 01-10-2007, 12:48 PM
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Patience (and all),

I actually don't have a lot of muscle aches. I had some severe neck pain the first month off and I have tense muscles from anxiety, but nothing too terrible. So I'm not sure what to do about that. From my research, Tylenol is OK to take on and during withdrawals. I stay away from all meds right now except for Tylenol which I only take if I have really bad cramps.

Thanks again for the link to that article about recovery. I was able to share it with my family last night and I got some support because of it. I could tell my fiance didn't understand why I can't handle simple stress and showing him that article really helped him to understand. I am so sensitive to lights right now, too, so it also really helped me to have that explained.

My naturopath gave me some herb drops to aid my liver, but it bothered me. And then I learned from that same article that my nervous system is too sensitive to handle herbs. I'm just going to let my body heal naturally and I eat a lot of veg/fruits and beans. Emerald Valley organic bean dip with some natural chips is really good; it actually calms my stomach.
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Hi to all. So I've been on lexapro for about 9 months now, and are starting to come off, little by little. Basically, my husband and I are planning on another baby, and I want to be completely free of this before conception. I'm not sure what I'm more worried about; the withdrawals or morning sickness. Anyway, I will not need these pills once pregnant, mainly because I went on them for an isolated problem that no longer exists. My question: Has anyone had any problems conceiving after taking these pills? Thanks for your help.
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After going down to 2.5Mg of my 10MG for a couple days.... I'm thinking of going back to 5MG. Does anyone know if it is bad for me to be jumping around like that, from a whole, to half, to none, to a quarter, and then back to half all in the past three weeks??

Based on my behavior and feelings over the past week I'm wondering if I should just start taking them again and just hope to god that they never find evidence that long term useage is bad for you. I don't experience any side effects other than my weight gain, which is why I tapered off in the first place.....maybe I should just realize that I can either be rotten and miserable.......or plump & pleasant.

Does anyone know if the irratic emotions you have when you first go off mean that you will feel that way once the withdrawel symptom are gone? Back to the way I was before....I had thought for a while that my problem, the reason I went on them in the first place was due to genetics, the family Curse seems to hit the women around the same age and I have a feeling that unless Im on something I will always have problems no matter what I do.
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Hi,

Read the following and it may explain why there is weight gain associated with Lexapro. Why when tapering the lexapro you can get sweats, muscle tightness, and stomach cramping.

DNA
While rereading the description of an antidepressant in the Physicians’ Desk Reference in the year 2000, one sentence stood out and almost seemed out of place with the other text in the same paragraph. This was the mention of the term P450. P450 is the name of a group or set of enzymes in the liver used to metabolize most prescription medications, herbs, some foods and some liquid drinks.

More research. I found there existed a way to tell what an individuals enzymes were like with a simple DNA test, requiring only a blood draw. Using this test, you could predict to some degree medication or drug adverse reactions. This was useful information, indeed, if one was attempting to get others off drugs.

DNA Drug Reaction Test of the P450 – CYP enzymes provided additional information but as time passed it became clear one could not fully rely on the CPY enzymes to predict drug adverse reactions. With DNA testing being a relatively new science it was not surprising to find new genes, other than the P450, were directly related to an individuals ability to metabolize psychoactive drugs.

HOW MEDICATIONS METABOLIZE OR MOVE THROUGH THE BODY



Our individual DNA plays a significant role in how medications metabolize.
This much became very clear, utilizing available DNA test.


Our body has several liver enzymes that play a direct role in metabolizing not only medications, but also foods and liquids. Our individual DNA determines how much quantity of each enzyme we have available.



Antidepressants, ADHD medications and anti-psychotics use a group of liver enzymes called the CYP2D6, CYP1A2, CYP2C9, and CYP2C19. Most antidepressants, ADHD medications and anti-psychotics use the CYP2D6 pathway only. A few antidepressants will use the CYP2D6 as well as other CYP enzymes to metabolize.



The pie chart to the left shows the percentage of the P450 enzymes. The CYP2D6 used by most antidepressants, ant-psychotics and ADHD medication is in red.



Each of us has our own unique DNA pattern. Not all of us have the same size slice of this pie. 12% of us will not have as much enzyme in the red slice while 34% of us will have too much or more than normal. This means that just under 50% of the population does not have a “normal” amount of the CYP2D6.

Here’s a way to visualize this problem:

Get yourself a tablespoon of water and a 1” section of toilet paper. Place the toilet paper on a flat surface and then begin to slowly pour the water from the spoon onto the toilet paper. In the beginning, the toilet paper is able to absorb the water, but as more water is poured on the toilet paper, it becomes saturated, unable to absorb additional liquid.

If the water were medication and the toilet paper your body, the amount of water the toilet paper could not absorb would remain in your body for an extended period of time and undoubtedly cause side effects. The body, unable to use or excrete this extra medication, will store it…and even use it later, as fat cells release their stored contents. The drug would simply accumulate in your body, building to ever-higher levels of saturation.

Example: If you are taking the ADHD medication Strattera, and you are a poor metabolizer of the CYP2D6, the Strattera would remain in your body 10 times longer than normal and the peak concentration of the Strattera would be 5 times greater.

Let’s go back to that toilet paper:

Imagine if you had one tablespoon of water and one tablespoon of tea and you began to pour both liquids on the 1" piece of toilet paper? This would be the same as taking more than one medication that uses the same enzyme for metabolism.

Several supplements, foods and liquids will also open the flow and produce an abundance of the enzyme, and compete for the right to be metabolized. Example includes coffee and cigarettes. Coffee will block a medication from metabolizing. Cigarettes will open the flow.

The usefulness of the DNA data with The Road Back Program is twofold;

1) to use as a guide when looking at nutritionals to ensure the least chance possible of a drug/nutritional interaction, and

2) to offer advice on which medications will greatly alter the clearance time of other medications.

Titrating Psychoactive Medication:

The FDA first published a method of medication reduction in December 2001 for Paxil withdrawal. The only difference between the published FDA reduction schedule and The Road Back schedule from 1999 is: The FDA and GlaxoSmithKline (the company which makes and sells Paxil) recommended that when you dropped down to 20% of the original dosage, you should just discontinue from that level.

For some people, not to put it too directly, that’s tantamount to suicide.

The Road Back feels the last dosage reduction of 20% is significantly too large. 10% is our recommendation as the reduction schedule throughout (except with a Benzodiazepine, which should be tapered even slower.) A persons DNA is unique, and can alone determine the success of a drastic dosage reduction. It can also determine its failure, and the cost of such a failure can (and has often been) catastrophic, and occasionally fatal.

In the early days of psychoactive drugs psychiatry did not titrate psychoactive drugs up slowly on patients and the results were catastrophic for the patients.

Many drugs, other that psychoactive drugs must be titrated up as well as down before discontinuing.

There seems to be a general consensus within the medical community psychoactive drugs can be reduced quickly or patients can be taken abruptly off one psychoactive drug and prescribed another psychoactive drug without an adverse consequence to the patient. This is not the case.

Even switching a patient from a tablet form of a psychoactive drug to the liquid form of the same psychoactive drug will cause the patient to experience extreme adverse drug reactions.

THE HYPOTHALAMIC PITUITARY-ADRENAL AXIS (HPA AXIS)

The Hypothalamus is a part of the brain, which links the nervous system to the endocrine system via the pituitary gland. The Pituitary gland is located below the hypothalamus and the Adrenal gland is located atop the kidneys. The pituitary gland releases several hormones (chemicals produced by a gland) that in turn control other glands and various actions within the body. The other glands regulate growth and hormones.

When the HPA Axis is out of balance, you will have a problem with insulin, stress, anxiety, weight gain, thyroid problems, fatigue, unbalanced sexual hormones, and countless other body difficulties.

ADHD medications, antidepressants, Anti-Psychotics and Benzodiazepines are made to alter the HPA and in so doing, modify the finely balanced hormone and glandular system of the body.

This is not theory.

Gaba in relation to Benzodiazepines, Serotonin in relation to Antidepressants, Dopamine in relation to Anti-Psychotics, and whatever the relationship with ADHD medication turns into, is not the answer nor is it the reason for a medication’s effectiveness or lack thereof. Gaba, Serotonin and Dopamine play a submissive role to the HPA. What happens within the HPA determines Gaba, Serotonin and Dopamine.

Gradually treating the HPA and bringing this finely balanced system back in order is The Road Back Program.

An example of the HPA axis at work:

You are walking down a dark side walk at night. You see an evil-looking person directly in front of you. The person pulls a gun from his pocket and points it in your direction. He continues to walk directly toward you. There are a few people around you but you do not know them. As the robber gets closer, you can see he has all of his attention on you. You are going to be robbed and you now know it beyond doubt. What does your body automatically do in reaction to the situation?

1. Your hypothalamus signals your pituitary gland to release the hormone ACTH.

2. ACTH stimulates the secretion of Cortisone (Cortisol, Steroid hormone), Epinephrine (hormone that is released into the bloodstream in response to physical or mental stress, as from fear or injury. It initiates many bodily responses, including the stimulation of heart action and an increase in blood pressure, metabolic rate, and blood glucose concentration. Also called Adrenalin.), and other hormones.

3. Once the Cortisol levels increase, Cortisol will convert your stored Glycogen into blood sugar and create more energy. The adrenal release will increase the energy with its releasing Epinephrine.

4. You will feel your heart pounding due to the Epinephrine.

5. You now begin to sweat due to the Cortisol.

6. Your muscles begin to get tense due to the epinephrine and Cortisol.

7. Your digestion slows. Your bladder and rectum relax.

Now imagine somehow, time is frozen at the point where you are going to be robbed and you now know it without any doubt. Just you and the robber are there but the robber can’t complete the action of robbing you and you can’t leave or ever realize that the time is frozen. You are totally stuck in that moment in time. But, the inner workings of your body can still change and you can still feel effects from the body.

What begins to happen next? The adrenal glands begin to wear out. The pituitary gland increases ACTH to stimulate the adrenal glands in case you want to attack. More Epinephrine is stimulated by the adrenal medulla, and the total output of Cortisol is increased by the adrenal cortex. The production of the hormone DHEA begins to drop. The body needs more Cortisol to handle the stress and the body tries to accommodate. The adrenals can no longer supply the body with the needed Cortisol to combat the stress. Cortisol levels begin to drop but the ACTH levels remain the same. This puts a further burden on your already confused system.

As the sun begins to rise the next day you begin to feel worse. Around 10 a.m., the body seems to ease up on you for some reason. By noon to early afternoon that same feeling you had in the morning begins to return. At 10 p.m. that evening, your body begins to relax again and that feeling seems to lift until the sun rises again. Then it returns.

Your Cortisol levels are high in the morning and at midday and can still return to normal levels during the nighttime for you. Your body is still pumping Cortisol but other hormones are now suffering. DHEA, Pregnenolone, Testosterone and Estrogen levels are beginning to suffer.

Several days have passed but you are no longer sure how many. ACTH is still rising but the adrenals can no longer keep up with Cortisol production. The relief you once felt at night is gone. The feeling of doom is overwhelming nearly 24 hours a day. (Why not? The body is reacting as though you are perpetually facing doom.) Your adrenals are totally exhausted. You begin to feel changes in your heart. Changes that you know are not good.

You begin to feel depressed. You are gaining weight, you are trembling, you can’t remember things you could moments ago, you feel the need for a large cup of coffee or something that is a stimulant, you begin to crave salty food as well as fatty foods or foods high in protein, you have a pain in your upper back and neck but you know you were not injured.

You’re in a lot of trouble.

You begin to feel like you are starting to get allergies; your skin is dry and seems to be thinner. You feel the symptoms of hypoglycemia; your body temperature is dropping, and your hair is beginning to fall out.

Bad news.

If you are currently taking any psychoactive medication, chances are you have experienced a lot of this body sequence.

With some of these medications, instead of your hypothalamus signaling your pituitary gland to release the hormone ACTH, the hypothalamus is inhibited from releasing ACTH. Other psychoactive medications will induce the release of cortisol continually. The effect on your body is just as damaging.

The problem begins when the body attempts to complete this process. The hypothalamus needs to receive data back when the cycle is complete, to determine if the stress is gone or if you still need ACHT to be ready for “fight or flight”.

Some people with extreme anxiety or depression experience relief with a Benzodiazepine, Antidepressant or Anti-Psychotic initially, but within one to two months the original symptoms being treated return magnified. The feedback loop to the hypothalamus begins sending incorrect data. Now you have a medication sending a direction to the brain to not release hormones, but the body is stressed and the body knows it needs to produce the corrective hormones…but is suppressed from doing so.

If you have ever seen or been part of a tug-a-war game, this is what’s happening in your body to the extreme.

The percentage of the population with diabetes, hormone problems, thyroid problems, adrenal fatigue, and weight gain are increasing at the rate of psychoactive medication prescriptions. We are an increasingly medicated and increasingly ill society.

Anxiety is real, depression is real, and traumatic stress is real, as well as the host of symptoms these medications may be prescribed for are real. However, these very real symptoms only continue to occur within the body while the HPA is out of balance and in the mind until the individual is able to recognize and then dissipate the stored energy that was created at the onset.

Whether you have used psychoactive medication and are still suffering the adverse effects, are currently taking psychoactive medication, or have never used psychoactive medication, balancing the HPA does wonders for overall health and well-being.

There is a reason for the first-thing-in-the-morning anxiety, for the anxiety that seems to come back in the mid-afternoon, and for the exhaustive anxiety you feel at bedtime. There is a reason for fatigue, blood pressure change, blood sugar problems, weight gain, etc.

All psychotropic medications are designed to alter this finely balanced system.

At the physiological level, if you control the Pituitary-Adrenal Axis, you control the body.

Regarding control; there is good control as well as bad control. We can control an atom to the point of making a nuclear bomb. We lose control once the bomb is detonated. The military term "controlled blast" is true to the point where we may know that a certain size of bomb will not blow up our planet, but there is no predicting where each particle from a blast will go.

We might be able to control for a short period of time HPA with medication. But with HPA being what it is, it will not allow any single part of it to be controlled without disruption of the whole.

Gradually treating the HPA and bringing this finely balanced system back in order is The Road Back Program.





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aunty,
to answer your questions. the weight gain was subtle while i was on the lexipro. i did notice while i was tapering an increase in weight around the belly. i have not had my cortisol level checked but i will. i started taking CLA from www.theroadback.org for weight loss caused by anti-depressants. but i felt really dizzy and my eye site is bothering me so i stopped. not sure if that was the cause or over use of the computer. but i still feel like i can't look straight ahead. i have to look down. does that make sense? it's the lights.
thanks for the heads up on the 3 month. i do worry sometimes if i'll relapse.
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My Dr. warned me Lexapro could CAUSE jaw clenching and therefore worsen my TMJ. Anyway, I was supposed to wean of my 20mg Lexapro, but I left town for the holidays and didn't have enough pills and had no way of getting a refill. So, cold turkey for me! The brain zaps are bad. I happened to come down with a cold at the same time and noticed that when I took cold medicine the zaps go away. This is the second time I have noticed this effect - it also happened when I quit Effexor several years ago. Same thing - I got a cold, started taking cold medicine and noticed the zaps went away. So, when they start getting bad, I take a Sudafed and they're gone. I have NO IDEA why this works for me. You should of course ask a Dr before mixing medicines, because I don't want to encourage anyone to do anything that would harm them. But it's working for me right now as I type this.
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Day 6 and craving is worse than ever, does it ever stop? It's even worse knowing I can fill a scrip anytime I need to.
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New here. Stopped taking Lex. 5 mg. ct and doing well. Stopped taking about a month ago. Getting to the nitty gritty, has anyone had an issue with late menstrual cycle since quitting. I have always been regular and husband had vasectomy 3 years ago and not been "active" aside from one time this month (3 kids would explain that) which was 10 days ago and should have started a day or 2 later. Have 3 kids already and one miscarriage and am very afraid to take a preg. test.... 37 and want to be around to see all my kids have kids. Getting too old to have babies and had preg. trouble with all so I am terrified. Husband turns 40 Friday and he is as concerned as me. Anyone else had a similar issue and please tell me that it was a false alarm......
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Dear Aunty,

Thank you so much for starting this thread. Though I haven't posted that often, this board has helped me, and I'm sure hundreds of others, immensely. It was so nice to read a new message from you on the board.

The issue of weight gain has come up for so many of us, and I was wondering if you came across anything in your extensive research about how long it takes for the weight to come off, and what, if anything, can help or speed up the process.

I'm 5-8. When I started Lex I maintained my weight at 142 lb (with some work)and could easily slim down further for a big event by cutting out bread, rice and pasta for two weeks. After a year on Lex I was up to 164, which was when I decided to get off. In the three months since, I've gained another 8 lbs, bringing me to 172. I'm terrified that I'll be up to 200 soon. I've been trying to lose the weight--I'll be really good in terms of eating and exercise for three weeks, and see no movement on the scale and give up. This keeps happening. Any information you have--anything you've read, or any experiences that others have shared with you--would be greaty appreciated.

As for my drug history: I was on Lex for a year, 5 mg for three months, then 10 mg for three months, then back down to 5 for the next six months. I now know I tapered a little too quickly- from 5 mg to 2.5 mg for a week and then off completely. My withdrawals were horrible for about a month. Now that three months have passed I'm doing very well, though last week and the week before I experienced strong emotional side effects--fear, guilt and paranoia, but I think I might be past those.

Thanks so much!
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Hi -

I am someone who finally kicked the SSRI habit and am extremely glad I did. Lexapro was the last of the bunch, which had also included Effexor and Wellbutrin. They are all nasty and evil, from where I sit now.

It took me some time to push past the pain and side effects of the withdrawal, but it has led me back to what I think is my real self, a person I hadn't been in several years.

I do occasionally have days when I'm angry and anxious and impatient, but I now see that the trade-off between being on these drugs constantly vs. dealing with my mode swings myself is a no-brainer. And if things get really bad, I might still take a Valium. But that is extremely rare.

You WILL get your life back and you WILL feel better. The bizarre dreams, the sleepiness, and all the rest of the side-effects will fade over time. It will not be easy, but you will get there.

One suggestion; if possible (and I know this can be tricky at work) let people close to you know that you are dealing with a "medical issue," because there will be times that you'll be impossible to deal with. If they have been forewarned, it'll make it easier on everyone. Not much different than a smoker warning those around them that they'll kicking the habit!

Anyway, I just felt a need to revisit this board and offer some encouragement. Good luck to all :-)
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Has anyone tried RELACORE or CORTISLIM to help them with the stress issues or the weight gain? I just thougt it might help. What do ya'll think?
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Hi Everyone,

I have not heard many success stories on the weight loss but I agree that something similiar to Relacore may help.

I would suggest that everone on or withdrawaling from Lexapro get their Cortisol levels checked by 24 hour saliva. I think Lexapro throws all of it's users (even men) into a "menopause type" unbalanced hormones.
Thus the weight gain around the middle, sweats, hot flashes. inability to sleep, mood liability, (for women) periods being irregular, some also notice increased development of the breast (larger size). I think Lexapro also causes adrenal fatigue which can account for many of the problems also.

Lexapro, in my opinion affects the metabolism by slowing it down.......so efforts to corrects the other problems that Lexapro causes will help to diminsh the weight gain.

Blood sugar levels being off are one of the key factors to look into.

Aunty

If Lrxapro has caused your hommones to be out of balance then the problem can be corrected.
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HELP!!! I am thanking God right now I found you all. I am 32, have been on Lexapro for two years at 30 mg. My insurance ended when I relocated to a new area and I have been off Lex for three weeks - cold turkey - On Lex I continued to have panic issues, gained 40lbs, and still had mood swings.
I had gastric bypass three years ago and have trouble with my blood sugar... now i realize that lex contributed to the problem. I consume no processed sugar and have not for 3 1/2 months - eating only low glycemic index foods - lentils, peas, wholegrain. I suffer from alimentary hypoglycemia - surgery induced. I am iron and b12 deficent.
On lex i have suffered with terrible nightmares and RLS at night - which have gotten MUCH WORSE!!! I can take all this suffering, but the nightmares are exhausting!

QUESTION: Has anyone else been on 30 mg and quit cold turkey?
Is dizziness normal?
What can I do about my anxiety now?

I just need some support, please.

Sara Jones
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aunty,
i haven't lost any weight yet. been off of lexipro for one month. in fact, i think i'm gaining weight and it really, really sucks. i tried CLA one day from theroadback.org. it's supposed to help you lose weight, but i got dizzy on it i think. i can't keep this weight on. i'm gonna get depressed. the belly came back and i'm eating so healthy it's pathetic. what about your end?

saraann,
welcome, the best thing to do is keep reading our stories. you will see you are not alone.

overeasy,
i'm glad you stuck around like me to help these people. it's been 30 days off and i feel like "me" again too. i like me and it's great to be me !! if that sounds conceded i don't care!! hee hee

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ive been on lexapro for about 3 months, my doc says it will calm my racing thoughts when i try to sleep. after reading some of these replies i think im going to stop taking, its not helping me sleep anyway

is there any street value in lexapro? i have 6 months worth of prescriptions...

also has anyone tried snorting it? does that do anything cool?
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Aunty,

Sara just wrote to me privately and I suggested that she might want to get back on the drug so she can taper. You said one has five weeks to get back on, correct? Can you help her with that since I went cold-turkey and am not sure how she should do it at this point if she decides to. I also suggested she try to buy some out of pocket to get her by and in the meantime she can write to the drug company to get some of it at a very low price if she qualifies for a sliding scale. I know they do that, but not sure how it works.

Hi all,


Overeasy and Sartia...yes, thanks so much for giving the rest of us hope. I miss having passion for life. The lady at the video store today wanted to sign me up for their frequent renter program and I was almost offended. She noted that I was renting a lot and so I told her I was recovering from something and hopefully will not be renting so much in the months to come. It was hard because I'm usually full of life and don't watch much TV, but here I am renting movies everyday because I have to spend so much time resting and feeling to zest for life; hobbies, etc. I hate what Lexapro has done to me, for now.

I've been on a wild ride lately. I spent the first part of the week holding on to my stomach because I was in so much pain. The cramping and gas and other not so pleasant things was intense. I've been eating so well, too...lentils, beans, fruits and veggies. I did have too much dairy early in the week and I don't think that helped. Also, I had depression with it...SO strange for me (I only had anxiety before Lexapro) and it was kinda scary. I also have some sinus issues that extend into my chest. Yesterday and today, though, have been pretty good. I feel a lift in mood and stomach is all right and I have less fear and was able to go out for a little bit. No headaches, either! At 3 1/2 months off cold turkey I'm hanging in there. But I have to say, this has been the hardest month so far. I just hope I can start climbing uphill. At least the depersonalization seemed better today.
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Aunty-

All the hundreds of people you spoke to and and almost no one had success losing the weight after getting off Lexapro.

I can't think of anything more depressing. In fact, I read that post and cried the way I did when I was first weaning off.

I hate my body right now. I hate looking at it. I hate mirrors. I'm embarassed to see people. I won't let people takes pictures of me. I can't look like this for the rest of my life.

All through the withdrawals, through the worst days, I got through it because I knew that eventually they would end. I've gotten through the last few months of looking at this disgusting blob that is my body by thinking that the weight had to come off eventually. But Googling losing weight after Lexapro reveals tons of stories of people who gained weight and almost none of people who lost it. This is too much.

How do we have ny hope of restoring our hormones. I want to get pregnant. Will I not be able to because my body thinks I'm menopausal? Am I permanently damaged?

This is more than I can deal with.
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Getting Better,

My mom took Lexapro about three years ago and she blew up like a blimp. She lost all the weight but I think it took about a year. She can go off and on drugs easy, unlike me, so she never seems to have lasting effects. But maybe that will give you a little hope...
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