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    That's legally dr shopping. I'm not judging, just explaining the way it is. I would STOP this behavior IMMEDIATELY before it comes back to bite you. God bless.
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    I have a medically documented chronic pain problem and was prescribed over 500mgs. of Oxycontin/day. My pain doctor wrongly accused me of diversion and stopped prescribing my meds. Because of this notation in my medical records no other dr. will prescribe to me I think. What can I do? I live in Masachusetts near the New York border ,can someone reccomend a "compassionatte" Dr.? Or, I am thinking of buying meds online, can someone recommend a site that has worked for them? > Thanks

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    If you don't have a legal prescription you're breaking the law buying RX opiates online. The sites are scams if they don't ask for a script just like a Walmart pharmacy asks for. You have no recourse when they steal your money. Be careful considering the DEA monitors lots of those sites as well. God bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert_325 View Post
    If you don't have a legal prescription you're breaking the law buying RX opiates online. The sites are scams if they don't ask for a script just like a Walmart pharmacy asks for. You have no recourse when they steal your money. Be careful considering the DEA monitors lots of those sites as well. God bless.
    Good Evening,

    I hope all is doing well. If you remember me from before, I was nervous about getting accused of doctor shopping. I was taking oxydone then went to darvocet. I am trying to get off of them. I have felt sick for a couple of days and not wanting to do my daily activities. I researhed online about w/d and discovered a product called Withdrawl-Ease. Has anyone tried this?

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    i received notification today that my insurance company sent a letter to my doctors and dentist concerning the number medications that were prescribed. My dentist subscribed 3 darovert, the first doctor I went to concenring my back prescribed me 1 oxycodone and 2 darvocet, I went to different doctor in the same Town becasue the wait was shorter and was presribded 2 oxycodone and 1 darvocet. What does this mean?

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    I'm no expert, but the fact that you got the same medication from three different docs for different pain conditions (teeth,back pain) might be the reason. Or maybe the prescriptions overlapped, if they gave you a thirty day supply from one doctor and then one week later you filled another prescription for more might also be the problem. How spread apart were the dates on the prescriptions? Diid you go to different pharmacies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc.rose View Post
    I'm no expert, but the fact that you got the same medication from three different docs for different pain conditions (teeth,back pain) might be the reason. Or maybe the prescriptions overlapped, if they gave you a thirty day supply from one doctor and then one week later you filled another prescription for more might also be the problem. How spread apart were the dates on the prescriptions? Diid you go to different pharmacies?
    Yes, I was using Kerr Drug then went to walmart. Should I go talk to my dentist? I did not realize this was an issue. I am 34 years old and still had a baby tooth in the front of my mouth. The adult tooth did not come through like it was suppose to because the area was not wide enough to compensate for the adult tooth. I had to get braces to widen the area then have the baby tooth removed and then I had to have oral surgery to have a button placed on the adult tooth that is located in the roof of my mouth. They have attached a chain to the button and the braces and my orthodontist twist is over every two weeks (my orthodonist does not give medicine). Very Painful. I also have been having server lower back pain which seems to run up the middle of my back through out my shoulders. SO I received pain medication from the doctors plus had my regular yearly check up with my dentist who prescribed me darvocet as well. So I thought I would just use the medicine from the dentist to releive both pains. So I have not been back to the doctor to get anymore medicine because I have medicine from the dentist.

    This was all in August. I still have alot of the pain medication. I just have them filled to insure that I will not run out.
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    If you truly felt it was ok, then explain it to the doctor and show him that you have the meds to prove it! Then it shouldnt be that big of a problem. Next time a dentist or doc gives you are prescription for meds that you already have, tell them that you already have some. When you took the prescription from the dentist w/o telling him about the other doctor is why it's considered doctor shopping. Just tell the truth. Why did you go see the third doc? And if you still have medicine, why did you accept the prescription in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc.rose View Post
    If you truly felt it was ok, then explain it to the doctor and show him that you have the meds to prove it! Then it shouldnt be that big of a problem. Next time a dentist or doc gives you are prescription for meds that you already have, tell them that you already have some. When you took the prescription from the dentist w/o telling him about the other doctor is why it's considered doctor shopping. Just tell the truth. Why did you go see the third doc? And if you still have medicine, why did you accept the prescription in the first place?
    I went to go see the third doctor bacause the less of a wait. I figured that if i got the prescription from the dentist. Then I would not have to go to the docotor soon.

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    I understand what you are saying. But, why go to the third doctor if you still had medicine from your previous visits? I'm not an addict, but my younger brother is and in the beginning of his and his girlfriends addiction, they would go to three or four docs and get medicine and not tell the other docs about each other. They would fill them at different pharmacies to not get caught. Just talk to your doctor and tell him the truth. did you go to the doctors in the same month? How many prescriptions did you get total and over how many months?

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    Doctors are now required to report to the DEA so when you switch from a doctor all you need to do is get a letter from them that states they are no longer treating you . I actually fired my p/m doctor and made them write a letter that I'm no longer under his care . That way no issues ....now if you are doctor shopping for pills you will most likely get caught . Doctors are now using the internet so beware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc.rose View Post
    I understand what you are saying. But, why go to the third doctor if you still had medicine from your previous visits? I'm not an addict, but my younger brother is and in the beginning of his and his girlfriends addiction, they would go to three or four docs and get medicine and not tell the other docs about each other. They would fill them at different pharmacies to not get caught. Just talk to your doctor and tell him the truth. did you go to the doctors in the same month? How many prescriptions did you get total and over how many months?
    Hello, One was my dentist for my regular check up. I went to the first doctor concerning my back and the wait was so long I decided to go to another doctor in the same town with a shorter wait. Well I received a letter from the first doctor that she could not provide me services. So I am staying with the 2nd doctor. My dentist prescribed 3 darovert, the first doctor I went to concenring my back prescribed me 1 oxycodone and 2 darvocet, prescribed 2 oxycodone and 1 darvocet. I just cannot believe this is happening to me. I spoke to my dentist today and he told me not to worry. I am scheduled for an MRI Friday

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    I personally HAVE used online Doctors and Pharmacies....My advice to you is: DON'T !!!

    About 6 years ago I found a site that told of Online places to go and it was also set up like this site, where people can talk with or get advice from others who have used certain Doctors.

    At my worst, I had 2 online doctors that I talked to... You simply gave basic info and a Dr. phone number was given to you and an appointment time to call. The first call I made I was SO nervous, but the doctor asked what my problem was and what worked for me as far as painkillers. He said he'd give me the 7.5mg of Vicodin, quantity 100 with 2 refills! Then I gave him a credit card number, the meds were at my house in 2 days.

    There was also an online pharmacy where you could (and I am NOT kidding) email them with whatever you wanted (Only Schedule III drugs, in which Vicodin is the highest painkiller you could get, NO Schedule II's.) Anyways, you'd email them with what you wanted(I picked Norco) and then you paid with PayPal. Meds were shipped to you next day.

    After about 8 months of this, I found out that some online Doctors were getting into trouble and so I stopped doing that.

    Please take my Advice and do NOT attempt to order meds on-line. It is not worth the risk, it is horrendously expensive and if you have any addiction problem (like I did), it will just throw you into your addiction faster than a heartbeat!!

    Sorry for such a long post, but I wanted to warn you, and anyone else who is thinking of doing this - -Learn from my experience - DON'T DO IT !

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    Quote Originally Posted by michele151 View Post
    Hello, One was my dentist for my regular check up. I went to the first doctor concerning my back and the wait was so long I decided to go to another doctor in the same town with a shorter wait. Well I received a letter from the first doctor that she could not provide me services. So I am staying with the 2nd doctor. My dentist prescribed 3 darovert, the first doctor I went to concenring my back prescribed me 1 oxycodone and 2 darvocet, prescribed 2 oxycodone and 1 darvocet. I just cannot believe this is happening to me. I spoke to my dentist today and he told me not to worry. I am scheduled for an MRI Friday
    Maybe the first doctor found out you went to the second doctor after he had already given you a prescription and that is why he sent you the letter. It's possible he called your insurance and notified them. I think you should just let it go. Be honest with the second doc, show him that you still have medicine, and from now on go to the same pharmacy every month that way it doesn't look like you are doctor shopping. Because if you have a chronic pain condition, you are gonna need the meds every month, so call the second doc so he doesn't cut you off. Good luck

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    Hello. I found this thread looking for information on my own situation this morning. If I should post a new topic please let me know and I will move it.

    I am becoming increasingly worried as I read up on this "doctor shopping". I lost my job over a year ago and since then I haven't been back to my "real" primary. I have seen two "primaries" in two different clinics that see people without insurance or income. The first had me seeing a nurse practitioner for my anxiety and panics attacks and she was trying to treat me for bipolar disorder (which I don't think I have) with expensive drugs. The first one (Seroquell) costs almost $500 a month. She then prescribed something else that was $100 a month and still out of my ability to pay for. So I went to another clinic doctor. He works with a psychologist but prescribes all the drugs. He has me taking an SSRI which is helping but not enough. He gave me 30 Xanex but refused to fill it when I called in a refill. It was embarrassing. I immediately went in to see him and he explained he was a very conservative doctor and only gave Xanex out for a "death in the family" or things along those lines. It is frustrating though because that is the only drug I have taken that works for panic attacks. I have tried Valium and Atavan even and they don't work nearly as well.

    I also recently found out I have avascular necrosis in both of my hips. For years I was a heavy drinker and that is probably the cause. I quit drinking May 5th though and haven't had a drop since. Now I am going to have to have both of my hips replaced, but the first surgery isn't until January. In diagnosing the condition I have been to four doctors. My primary, who referred me to a rheumatologist who referred me to an orthopedic surgeon in the same office who referred me to yet another orthopedic surgeon in the same office (the first one said he is a "shoulder guy").

    My big concern is that to my pharmacy it looks like I am getting prescriptions from all over the place. Not all are pain though. The rheumatologist prescribed an NSAID. The first orthopedic surgeon prescribed Tramedol which is a very minor pain killer. It helped some but not very much. But it was only 30 and I went through those in about two weeks.

    So I am at the point where I am thinking about trying to find a "primary" who will prescribe me the drugs that I need for pain and for my panic attacks. But I am worried after reading all of this that I might be in trouble already just for seeing so many doctors. I don't consider myself "doctor shopping" in that I am not seeking the same drug or even type of drug from more than one doctor and the only reason I am seeing so many doctors is that most are specialists and that my first primary doctor wasn't very good and I don't think very highly of my current one either (both working in clinic situations and probably overworked and underpaid).

    I spoke with the nurses of my rheumatologist and my orthopedic surgeon this morning about the situation. Both were wishy washy and ended up telling me to call my "primary". I also thought about calling Walgreens (I have had the same pharmacy for over five years, and only one pharmacy) about it but might be stirring up the water instead of helping the situation. The pharmacist did make a comment a few weeks ago when I was getting some cortizone injections in my hips and they gave me two valium for the procedure. I told her that I was getting my hips replaced although I had to backpedel a little and clarify that it wasn't going to happen for a few months and this was just a temporary solution (the coritzone, which didn't seem to do anything).

    This is all further compounded by the fact that I have been taking Ambien every night since I quit drinking (I have tried to go without and I simply don't sleep) and it is about to run out and I am afraid my primary won't fill that either. He told me when he refused the Xanex that he didn't mind filling that one but I am not so sure.

    That sounds like a lot but at the moment I am taking an NSAID (Meloxocan, which doesn't do much), an SSRI (citalapram- helps a little with anxity), and ambien. I am not currently taking any pain killers or any benzos.

    I think I have two valid conditions (avascular necrosis and panic attacks) but apparently you can still get in big (felony? that is so crazy) trouble even with valid medical reason. I am not trying to deceive anybody and in fact would rather everyone (doctors and pharmacy) be on the same page. Is there any way to tell if I am already under scrutiny? I have never been in trouble with the law and the fear of prison is horrible. I worry all the time about non existent threats as it is (to the point of complete panic and throwing up) so this isn't helping.

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    Dear Overpill,
    I am new on this forum as I participate on the other forum here at drugs.com, the general forum. Anyway, I recently went thru something similar to what you went thru, but somewhat different. You can see my post entitled: Dr. Shopping by Rangers. I haver a couple of questions. You mentioned that you had stopped on 10/2008, but were arrested approximately 9 months later in July of 2009. My question is: Why were you arrested so much later? Did you go back to Dr. shopping at anytime during that 9 month timeframe? If not, how many times total did you Dr. shop? Did you do anything else illegal, ie. write fraudulant scripts? Change the amounts written, ect? I am interested because I Dr. shopped with (3) Drs. within 1 week this past september. (total 3X) I was caught by my insurance company, not the DEA. I came clean with my pain mgmt. doc, as he was notified. My primary was not, but I went to see him and also came clean with him. He was not notified, but he appreciated my honesty. Th end result is everyone talked it over including my regular pharmacy and nobody dropped me. matter of fact I filled my oxycodone today. I would appreciate it if you can answer my questions, as you made me alittle nervous. Even though I learned a hard lesson, and have not done it since, and will never do it again, I would hate to see the police show up at my door. I am assuming that you are not on the meds anymore. I hope you are doing well.
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    Rangers, I have been reading your posts and you seem so nervous for someone who only did this once. You need to let it go!! If you are so concerned with your dentist, don't wait til January when you see him. Call him and come clean now. The wait is what you are worried about and the not knowing. So my advice is to call the dentist and tell him what you did and why. I am sure he will understand and then you can relax.

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    Since so many people are asking me on email what is Schedule 1,2,3,4 etc....
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    i have a question...my oncologist has been prescribing me oxycontin for the past year. i had a leg injury and the chemo only made it worse. anyway, he set up an appointment for me with a pain clinic. it was kind of far away so i asked him if he would give me a referral for my old pain clinic that i went to that is close to my house. anyway, i already went to the first pain clinic, but i just set up a 2nd appointment with the one thats closer to me...i just want to see which one i like better. is this considered doctor shopping? i have no intentions of filling prescriptions by both doctors. thanks.

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    Tawny,

    No. This is not doctor shopping in the illegal sense. Doctor shopping is seeing more than one doctor in order to obtain multiple prescriptions of the same or similar drug type. For instance, if one may be addicted to opiates and his primary care doctor gives him 90 per month but those 90 won't last a month because they are not being taken as directed. So, this individual will make an appointment with a second or third doctor for the same condition in order to obtain more pain pills. More often than not it catches up with you either by the insurance company, the doctors, or the pharmacy and it is illegal. If you are visiting more than one doctor for the same condition in order to choose one that you prefer and only intend on being treated by one of them and will only accept prescriptions from that same one you are doing nothing wrong. You're good. Hope this explains it.

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    yes, thank you for your help...i do have one more question though. this new doctor i went to wrote me a script for the same dosage of oxycontin as i was taking before. i told her i still had some left but she gave me the script anyway. okay the problem is, i ran out early this time. sometimes this happens, sometimes it doesnt. it really just depends how much pain i am in. i know i should be taking them EXACTLY as prescribed but sometimes it just hurts too much. i gave the script to the pharmacist, on the 7th. he ran it through my insurance and said they wouldnt cover it til the 10th. i should have had enough to last me til the 19th. i am afraid to go pick it up tomorrow, because i am scared my insurance company may suspect me of dr shopping since it is a new doctor? ive never picked up my oxycontin this early before. and i dont plan on doing it again. is this something i could get in trouble for? do you think the pharmacy would call my new doctor telling her i am requesting it more than a week early? thanks!

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    actually it is exactly 7 days early.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tawny1685 View Post
    yes, thank you for your help...i do have one more question though. this new doctor i went to wrote me a script for the same dosage of oxycontin as i was taking before. i told her i still had some left but she gave me the script anyway. okay the problem is, i ran out early this time. sometimes this happens, sometimes it doesnt. it really just depends how much pain i am in. i know i should be taking them EXACTLY as prescribed but sometimes it just hurts too much. i gave the script to the pharmacist, on the 7th. he ran it through my insurance and said they wouldnt cover it til the 10th. i should have had enough to last me til the 19th. i am afraid to go pick it up tomorrow, because i am scared my insurance company may suspect me of dr shopping since it is a new doctor? ive never picked up my oxycontin this early before. and i dont plan on doing it again. is this something i could get in trouble for? do you think the pharmacy would call my new doctor telling her i am requesting it more than a week early? thanks!
    Tawny,

    According to your last post, it looks like if you should have had enough to last until the 19th but was out on the 7th, you ran out 12 days early. You also mentioned that you still had some left before filling that script. Doing the math, this means you've taken at least twice the number per day (on average) than you were prescribed. The pharmacy and insurance company will generally allow you to refill a prescription a few days earlier than it is due. I'm in Massachusetts and generally it can't be refilled more than 3 or 4 days early. Certainly red flags might go up especially because the new prescription was from a different doctor than the original one making it look like because Doctor #1 wouldn't give you another refill that early that you went to a different doctor. Depending upon the pharmacist, if this is the first time, he/she might not do anything about it except to NOT allow you to fill the new script until the appropriate number of days have passed. Do you always use the same pharmacy? If you jump around to different pharmacies, this too will raise flags. It's always better to only use 1 pharmacy. That way, they have a complete record of everything you are taking and can watch out for you in case any of your meds are counter-indicated. Also, when you always go to the same pharmacy, you will build a trusting relationship--really important, I think.

    If I were you, I'd call your doctor and explain that you ran out early because you were in more pain than usual and ASK if it's OK to fill your script early. At least this way if the pharmacist does call, they will have noted your chart that you called and won't be surprised. In fact, your doctor might scold you for taking more than what he prescribed and warn you not to do it again but if you've been seeing this doctor for any length of time, and you really haven't done this before, and if you ask him to, he might be willing to call the pharmacy to let them know that it's OK for them to fill it early. However, I don't think that your insurance will pay for the early refill. You'd have to pay for it out of pocket. If I were in your spot, I'd tough it out and wait to ask for the refill until it is due to be refilled and not one day sooner.

    If you are needing to take more pain medication than what the doctor has prescribed, you need to discuss this with him/her. Your tolerance has probably risen due to the amount of pain meds you are taking and the length of time you have been taking them. Your doctor will be the best judge. Either he needs to increase your dose or your have begun to abuse them and he can help you gradually taper to get you back to the dose you should be taking. Be honest with him/her (doctor). If he's a good doctor, he'll understand and help you. The fact the you are taking almost twice the amount as you should be taking is not good no matter what's going on. Address it now before you get yourself into trouble.

    By the way, I see that you are taking oxycontin. How much, how often, and for how long have you been taking it? Are you taking any other meds?

    Let me know what you decide to do and how it turns out.

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    Hey Catrina, the new prescription she got is from a different doctor all together. So if the pharmacy call her insurance, they will see she got it from another doctor the last time she filled it. I am sure it is a different pharmacy. That is considred Dr shopping, dont ya think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc.rose View Post
    Hey Catrina, the new prescription she got is from a different doctor all together. So if the pharmacy call her insurance, they will see she got it from another doctor the last time she filled it. I am sure it is a different pharmacy. That is considred Dr shopping, dont ya think?
    Tawny,

    I agree with Rose - this certainly looks like doctor shopping - and I believe it will ring alarm bells that you are already abusing this medication. In my opinion, getting "caught" by the pharmacy, doctor or insurance company seems likely, but that's actually the least of your problem, hon. It sounds like you're headed down a slippery slope of addiction... and that's a lot tougher to overcome than legal problems.

    I hope you'll keep posting - there's lots of support in this forum, hon.

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    yes, i have always used one pharmacy. the man knows me. when he ran it through my insurance he told me they wouldnt fill it til the 10th, but that they WOULD fill it and he would have it ready for me this morning. i calculated the days and since there were more in january, this would mean i am filling it 7 days early...just 3 or 4 days earlier than i would normally fill it. i am going to go pick it up. hopefully nothing happens. and i know it looks like doctor shopping, but it wasn't. this was the first time i had seen this new doctor and i will continute seeing her and no one else. i simply changed doctors because my cancer is now in remission and my oncologist referred me to a pain clinic. it just isn't worth running out early. i am never doing that again. i am on OC 60 3x a day. i am not trying to fool anyone, if my insurance company thought i was messing around, they just wouldnt fill it, would they?

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    Rose, Ruth, This week my goal is to improve my reading comprehension...or my reading You are correct and I guess I read over that part of Tawny's post a bit too quickly. Sigh. That nice long post of mine

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    so i tried to get it filled today, and now my insurance said they wont cover it til the 17th. i guess when the pharmacist told me the 10th, he was just guessing. so i guess ill have to wait til its time. how in the heck do people fill multiple prescriptions for the same thing anyway?? without insurance, oxycontin is around $800 bucks. crazy. but anyway, thank you all for your help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tawny1685 View Post
    so i tried to get it filled today, and now my insurance said they wont cover it til the 17th. i guess when the pharmacist told me the 10th, he was just guessing. so i guess ill have to wait til its time. how in the heck do people fill multiple prescriptions for the same thing anyway?? without insurance, oxycontin is around $800 bucks. crazy. but anyway, thank you all for your help!

    Best I can tell from all the numbers, dates and doctors, you ran out of your prescription over 10 days early. If you are prescribed these pills 3x a day, that's another 30 pills (approximately) that you have "taken extra" in this one month. Hon, like it or not, whether the insurance company recognizes it or not, you are in a very bad spot. You are abusing some powerful drugs - and you need to wake up and see what's going on.

    When we are in the midst of addiction, we can't see things clearly. We see that we are in pain, and feel that we "need" the pills at the dosage we choose to take them. We are fabulous at justifying what we take - we can outsmart the best of them with our litany of diagnosises and excrutiating pain symptoms. It isn't deliberate - we aren't trying to manipulate - but that is what addiction compels us to do. We are not "BAD" people - we are sick with the disease of addiction.

    Addiction does not care what our diagnosis is. Addiction does not care if a doctor prescribes it legitimately or not. Addiction doesn't care if you get your drugs off the street or from a bona fide doctor. It's just the nature of the drugs you are taking - and the nature of addiction.

    I hope you'll take some time to do some serious introspection. Unless you stop now, it will only get worse, I assure you.

    I am not judging you, even if it 'feels' that way right now - I am also an addict. I'm only trying to show you the truth that you can not see right now. I couldn't see it then, either. You are in my prayers.

    Hugs,
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    i know its not normal to take that many over. thats why i am going to have my mom pick the prescription up and dispense them to me...isn't that a start in recognizing that i may have a problem?

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