[lookinhigher]

Does anyone on here know if its ok to take ultram to help stop the withdrawals from vicodin? If anyone on here has experience with this, would you please let me know asap?

[melinda7.5]

Hi lookinhigher
can you tell us a little about how long your into your w/d...the problem with the ultram is you can become dependent on that to.
I'm going to get the Thomas recipe for you, I'm on a new computer so I have to go find it, Ill be back in a minute with it.
Melinda

[melinda7.5]

here it is this will help...
Let us know if we can help...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

"PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas

THOMAS RECIPE

If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.

For the Recipe, You'll need:

1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).

5. Vitamin B6 caps.

6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

How to use the recipe:

Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.

Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.

As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.

Thomas"

[lookinhigher]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

here it is this will help...
Let us know if we can help...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

"PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas

THOMAS RECIPE

If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.

For the Recipe, You'll need:

1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).

5. Vitamin B6 caps.

6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

How to use the recipe:

Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.

Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.

As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.

Thomas"

I have been taking less of the percocet off and on for about a week now. my problem is that I am going to run out of them today, and wanted to take the ultram tomorrow. At least until i go to my doc's appt. next week to get my refills. I could tell more about how I got into this situation sometime. Im just kinda scared to talk, if you know what i mean.?

[kdunz]

Do you know if you can use Flexiril as a substitute in the thomas recipie?

[melinda7.5]

Your Ok I just wanted to know how much you were taking so I could help you a litlte more on the w/d...If you need anything ill be around
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[melinda7.5]

Im just not a big fan on the flexiril it just sucks the life out of me...

Hi kdunz
I didn't notice that it was you...sorry...how are you doing ???

Melinda

[lookinhigher]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Your Ok I just wanted to know how much you were taking so I could help you a litlte more on the w/d...If you need anything ill be around
Talk to you soon, Melinda

I have been on here a couple of days, and really didnt know that this existed. But, I think it may be an answer to a prayer that I didnt really ask. You and Robert seem to be very good people, and most of all, non-judgemental. Which is what we all need when were in a situation such as this. My story is: I hurt my back about 3 years ago, lifting mattresses. The doc I was going to told me that there was nothing wrong with me. They accused me of being an addict. Though at the time, I wasnt taking anything. My legs started turning purple, and going numb. They put me on anti-inflamatories for so long that it caused internal bleeding. Had surgery for a crushed disc.Rods and screws put in. was put on percocet, soma, lyrica. Had major pain from the rods and screws being too big for my body. lived in severe pain for 1 yr. then they were removed last year. Been in pain ever since. living on the perc's ever since. Non-stop for the last 2 and a half yrs. I got out of control on my meds, and have a similar situation to others like Guitarman57 and others. I just dont know what to do. But I do know that eventually, I have to do something. Thanks for replying so soon. It just makes me want to cry knowing that complete strangers care and understand!!!

[kdunz]

Hi Melinda,

Im doing ok but I have yet to make a switch to suboxone. Im a little freaked out cuz of my last experience with it. I asked about the flexiril just cuz its the only thing I have. I absolutely hate it because it sucks the life out of me too. That is the reason I want to take it with the thomas recipie. Im want to take something that will really knock me out. In the past nothing else has helped with the w/d.

How are you doing?

Also, Good luck to you, lookinhigher!

[melinda7.5]

Hi lookinhigher
Oh we have just all been where you are right now it sucks ...LOL
I got way out of control on my pain meds to thats why I had to stop.
If you need to just get you by till you can get your refill you can use the trams to hold you over just be careful with them.
If you ever need us were here.just ask.
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by kdunz

Hi Melinda,

Im doing ok but I have yet to make a switch to suboxone. Im a little freaked out cuz of my last experience with it. I asked about the flexiril just cuz its the only thing I have. I absolutely hate it because it sucks the life out of me too. That is the reason I want to take it with the thomas recipie. Im want to take something that will really knock me out. In the past nothing else has helped with the w/d.

How are you doing?

Also, Good luck to you, lookinhigher!

Hi kdunz
I'm doing good...Im sorry I didn't get on your thread.I knew Robert was going to be on soon and he is the king at sub's...LOL
The thing I don't like about the flexiril is it will make you sicker when you will need energy bit of strength you have, the benzo don't do that they just put you to sleep and calm you down.
I'm going to check on you on your thread. I know Robert is on there posting to you...
hang in there it's going to be OK
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[lookinhigher]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi lookinhigher
Oh we have just all been where you are right now it sucks ...LOL
I got way out of control on my pain meds to thats why I had to stop.
If you need to just get you by till you can get your refill you can use the trams to hold you over just be careful with them.
If you ever need us were here.just ask.
Talk to you soon, Melinda

I will be careful. I honestly dont know when the last time that I had so much emotion in a few hours as I have had today. It seems that everything is coming at me at one time. I really didnt notice the lack of emotion until I started reading here the other day. It took me that long to 1st. post. Now, its all comin out. I didnt really notice how slowly addiction took a hold of me. It seems like 1 day, I was taking my meds at the right time, and the next, it was out of control. With support from here, I may be able to at least keep my head in reality, instead of hiding. I think you know what I mean. Sometimes I wish that I had a week to myself to just go cold turkey and get off of them. I am tired of this. But, I am a Mom of 4, and a grandma of 2 @ 38yrs old. I have my kids to take care of as well as my grandkids. As long as I'm not w/ding, I at least feel ok. and can do what is needed. This is just a vicious cycle. But thanks so much for making me feel emotion again. I didnt know it was missing. I am beginning to see how much else is missing as well.

[melinda7.5]

OH sweetie I know what you are talking about...I have fibro and DDD. I started taking 1 vic here and there and before I knew it I was taking so many drugs. oxycontin, vics, percs, soma and klonopin...I was a mess it took me a long time to get off all of them but I made it...
It does sneak up on you and your right about the emotions the pills numb you from feeling anything I think that is half the reason we take so many...
Hang with us for awhile you never know what will happen maybe you will decide you wont want to take your pills anymore ...

Talk to you soon, Melinda

[lookinhigher]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

OH sweetie I know what you are talking about...I have fibro and DDD. I started taking 1 vic here and there and before I knew it I was taking so many drugs. oxycontin, vics, percs, soma and klonopin...I was a mess it took me a long time to get off all of them but I made it...
It does sneak up on you and your right about the emotions the pills numb you from feeling anything I think that is half the reason we take so many...
Hang with us for awhile you never know what will happen maybe you will decide you wont want to take your pills anymore ...

Talk to you soon, Melinda

I have hope. Now that Im here, I dont think Im going anywhere. though things do seems to change when I get my refills. Im just so tired of trying to figure out how to get what I need, and takin them just to keep from withdrawing. Everytime I get my meds, I think Im going to take them the right way. And then I dont. I forget how miserable I was when I ran out, until I run out again. I'm not sure what Im going to do. Its scarey thinking of being on them, and its ever scarier thinking of going through total withdrawal. Or, of just not having them to lean on.

[melinda7.5]

OH...LOL...But when you can get off of them It feels so good to be free...
You could never imagine me a year ago...I was getting my script from my doc.just that alone was enough to kill a cow...then I was spending about two grand a month to fill in between my refills...
I still have pain but it feels so good not to have to count my pills and make sure I had enough for the day...or going out of town...I could never do that I would be to far from where I got my drugs...

It really sounds like you are at the point where you want to be done with this also...
You sound like you have a wonderful family that you really love...

you also know that addiction itself causes pain you could get off of your meds and really see what your real pain is like...
Most people find out there pain is tolerable with advil when they get thru detox...you might want to try it...LOL
do I sound like a used car sales man... LOL
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[MaisieC]

Originally Posted by lookinhigher

I have hope. Now that Im here, I dont think Im going anywhere. though things do seems to change when I get my refills. Im just so tired of trying to figure out how to get what I need, and takin them just to keep from withdrawing. Everytime I get my meds, I think Im going to take them the right way. And then I dont. I forget how miserable I was when I ran out, until I run out again. I'm not sure what Im going to do. Its scarey thinking of being on them, and its ever scarier thinking of going through total withdrawal. Or, of just not having them to lean on.

Hi,

If you're really in a bind, you can use the ultram to help minimize the withdrawals. It's not something I like to recommend, because the ultram is actually worse to withdraw from than the vicodin. So please use it very sparingly. Just take as little as you can to get through. Trust me, you don't want to go nuts taking lots of ultram, or you're going to be in a worse place than you are right now.

I hope you can find a way to get off this stuff completely. It really does enslave you.

We'll be thinking of you and praying for you; please keep us posted about how you're doing.

Maisie

[tommyboy5]

hello even though people might tell you that ultram is a non narcotic. its still addictive. i ran out of my oxycontin one day and i had some of the 300 mg. i think. they are a nightime dose that is supposed to be extended through time instead of working right then. i broke it in half to try and get a quick response for my withdrawels. i ended up in the e.r. that night with my side of my face numb and having chest pains with a swollen throat!!! yes i was supposed to swollaw the whole thing and only take one that day but when you are detoxing real hard and not thinking straight then you seem to try anything to help. well just think you are having flu symptoms 10 times over and all it takes is one pill to stop it and return to normal. if you dont wont to go and check yourself in rehab i recomend fillinng youre medicine and having a family member or friend to help reduce the dose. instead of just going cold turkey.. i am addicted to oxycontin and i think about it all day long. i have to carry it everywhere i go to feel secure. yes i do have chronic pain and disabilities. some people will tell you that if you have real pain then you cannot get addicted.. thats bull********.. anybody can become addicted. i have a friend who drank alcohol for years and then quit. after fifteen years without a drink he said that he still craves it and thinks about it everyday.. i quit for 9 months one time do to no insurance. and i still had a craving for it. addiction is a disease that anybody can catch.. drug addiction is hard though. you cannot just go to the quick stop and get a bottle of it. you have to go to a damn doctor and sit there forever then make him believe that you need narcotic pain medicine. unlike being a alcoholic and just going to the liquer store and buying it anytime,, anywhere,, which is worse.. to me it would be harder being a alcoholic and staying out of the store rather than a drug attic. to where you cannot just go get pills used to i never had a regular doctor,, after my hip surgeries i would run to the e.r. and get a month supply for a long time.. now since pain pill abuse has become a epidemic., then when you go to the doctor everybody is a drug attict.. they treat you as a drug attict even if you are terminal.. i see people go to my doctor and can walk and talk just fine. i dont judge anybody but i wonder sometimes.. those people can get whatever they want.. when i go in my wheel chair and i have been through numerous back surgeries and weigh in access of 400 pounds and i have been diagnosed with m.s. my doctor tries to keep me comfortable but wont give me near what other patients get that seem to hurt so bad they couldnt jog their five miles that day.. hell if i didnt feel like jogging five miles that day i sure as hell wouldnt turn to narcotics.. id be happy just being able to walk to the bathroom that day without using a damn urinal by my chair.. i know it sounds like im judging but i really aint, i just hate to see people get addicted to pain meds and ruin their life like i did. my son is nineteen years old and workmans comp has sent him to pain management for a strained back.. his doctor has put him on 6 percocet a day. i found out and all i could do is cry.. it reminded me of myself. after my last hip replacement i started out taking one 7.5 lortab a day. and that lasted for almost a year then it went from there. in about 3 to 6 years i had gone from one aday to 4 80 mgs. of oxycontin aday. plus 4 to 5 percocet a day and about 10 lortab 10 mgms. a day. all from one doctor, now i take one forty mgms pill of oxy a day. does it help the pain. yes but it only knocks a dent in it. mainly i take it to keep from craving it. and so that i can walk to the bathroom in the day. the company that makes oxycontin is working on a new pill that will have other med in it to keep people from abusing it. the other med will throw you into withdrawels if you crush or chew it. it will be on the shelf with in the next year or so and be even more exspensive. than the already exspensive oxy will be. so yes now is the time to quit abusing. i hope this helps. im sorry if i said anything to make you mad. it wasnt toward you i am only talking about myself and history.. of drug abuse. and i have nobody to visit with. thank you/

[lookinhigher]

maisieC thanks for sharing. Yea, i've been on the ultram thing as well, and was on it for a year and a half. that was back when the docs would tell you that its not addicting. so I took it like i was supposed to and didnt realize I was addicted until I didnt need it any longer. That was my hesitation in taking it in the first place. Its not something that I want to take, and Ive had it here for about 2 yrs now, and never took it, b/c been there, done that. didnt want to do it again.LOL. I know, its really not funny. but you know what i mean. And so i know it is absolute misery to come off of. I had only intended to be on it for a couple of days. just to fill the gap. cuz i do not want to be in that position again. It is truely hellish.thanks for your concern, and for sharing with me.


Tommyboy5, I do know what you mean. I have chronic disabilities as well. It took me more than a year to get anyone to believe that there was even a problem. I got looked at like I was some kind of an addict, even though I wasnt even taking anything when all of this started. I even got accused of being one, after my regular doc had sent me to the hospital because it was after office hours, and everything from my waist down started going numb. I wouldnt have went, otherwise. because I was tired of being looked at like that. I even argued with my doctor and told him that I didnt want to go because of that. He told me that there was a chance of my being damaged for life. so reluctantly, I went. Only to have been humiliated, once again. Needless to say, they later found out that a disc was completely gone, and all of the nerves that control everything from my waist down had been pinched off. It took them so long to take me seriously that even now that the pressure has been taken off of those nerves, I am left with permanent damage to all of the nerves to my lower body. I always had a problem just getting someone to listen, and to even do tests. I had to beg for those. anybody knows that if someone is out for just the meds, they arent going to be begging for tests to find out whats wrong. I just kept going back to the same doctor, sometimes weekly, until he finally listened. So, I am angry and frustrated as well. chances are, I wouldnnt be left with permanent damage if they had just taken me seriously. even when my legs were completely purple, he still tried to tell me there was nothing wrong. And I, as well as you, have seen many people go in to the pain docs office where I go, and walk out with anything they wanted. Which makes me angry. b/c i hear them out there talking, saying how there going to get thiere meds, and they dont really need them. My problem with my meds didnt happen until he kept cutting my meds. The pain was so severe that I couldnt take them the way he wanted. I just needed to take them the way he had prescribed them in the first place. But when I do that, I just run out early. And I am also just tired of having to take them all the time. I would just like to see if I am able to go without. That would be so nice.I hate needing something to be able to move, and do what i need to through the day. I'm sorry to hear about your situation, and your sons as well. Thats one of my biggest fears as well. that one of my 4 kids would end up in the same situation as I am in. And I know about not having anyone to talk to.no one who understands what you are going through. but i think if we both end up staying on this site. there will always be someone who understands, and is willing to listen, as well as talk. And dont worry, you didnt offend me. I completely understand the frustration you are feeling. I didnt take it personal. I just hope you subscribed to my thread so that you will get my reply!!!! I wish you and everyone to find peace.

[tommyboy5]

thank you for replying,, it seems when youre sick everbody gets tired of hearing about it. so anymore when i have alot of pain or even chest pain i just keep my mouth shut, my wife if the most judgemental. 15 years ago when we first got married i was working for the rail road making great money. then i kept having back trouble and i was even jogging to stay in shape. i finally broke down and went to the e.r. to get it checked. i kept walking with a limp and my mother in law noticed that one hip was higher than the other, so i went to the e. r. to get a quick x-ray. then they come back in there and asked if i had leg pain,, i stated yes. then they did i dont know how many x-rays on my legs. they finally got done and came in there and told me that i had two broken hips and possibley bone cancer!!!! all i could do was cry.. they put me in a wheel chair and shipped me to oklahoma city. about 60 miles from where i live. i was scared to death. i just got married and my wife was pregnant with out first child. and a full time job and new home and everything in between. i seen a orthopedic in the city and he told me finally after two weeks of test that it wasnt cancer but i would sure as hell wish it was.. i said why?? then he said that i have a bone disease called aseptic necrosis of the bone,, or avascular necrosis. or even some calf disease. its like osteo. but its where the blood flow to the hip joints is cut off. if found soon enough they can go in and drill a hole in the bone and take a circular donars bone and put in called a bone graft and decompression. but i was to late. like i said both hip joints had collapsed. and i was still walking. god the arthritis pain i had. honestly most of the pain was in my knees. from walking bow legged. and lower back. not much hip pain.. so when i asked them what happened they said it could be a number of things that had caused it. like alcohol, steriods medical and the weight lifting kind. drug abuse or even a sudden blow to the hip like you get in a car wreck or something. i used to rodeo a little bit but not much. no car wrecks. no drug abuse and i only drank on weekends. but not enough to get drunk. but i do know that i worked for the rail road when we had to rebuild the track so that we could go to war with iraq. we shipped all the military equipment then put it on ships to go to iraq from military bases. i cannot mention where because i am sworn to secrecy but the rail road was in such bad shape in 1988 that we couldnt keep the trains on the track. or go faster than 30 miles per hour. so in october of 1988 we started replacing rail and ties. then by the time we got done we was running 80 military trains a day. working 12 to 16 hour days. everyday. without a day off. even if somebody got killed while working we wasnt aloud to take off for their funeral.. we started out with 180 men on our gang and now i think last i heard there is only like 35 left alive!! we never got credit for it or even a thank you for our part in desert storm. but i guess everybody helped in some way. just like now. so anyway the tank cars from the military trains always leaked.. and alot of us got sick during that time. when there was a investigation the rail road didnt even know what they where hauling!!! it was marked top secret by the gov.. but what is really crazy is alot of us came down with the same symptoms as the soilders in iraq!!! but if we told anybody we was considered crazy other than the pictures we took.. they gave us a buy out of our seniority. and sent us home. now all we get is a damn calender every year from them and a check every month. so anyway i trully believe thats the reason why im sick today. crazy i know but its the truth. but we won the war!!! i do know that alot of veterans from vietnam cried when bush senior pulled out after six months. and i said why are you mad?? they said that since he didnt finish the job that withen ten years saddam would come back and hit us harder than we hit him and our kids will have to go in ten years back to iraq.. if you stop and think they were right in a way. listen to me i start talking about my pain and i end up giving a history lesson. im sorry thanks for listening though. tommyboy5

[lookinhigher]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

OH...LOL...But when you can get off of them It feels so good to be free...
You could never imagine me a year ago...I was getting my script from my doc.just that alone was enough to kill a cow...then I was spending about two grand a month to fill in between my refills...
I still have pain but it feels so good not to have to count my pills and make sure I had enough for the day...or going out of town...I could never do that I would be to far from where I got my drugs...

It really sounds like you are at the point where you want to be done with this also...
You sound like you have a wonderful family that you really love...

you also know that addiction itself causes pain you could get off of your meds and really see what your real pain is like...
Most people find out there pain is tolerable with advil when they get thru detox...you might want to try it...LOL
do I sound like a used car sales man... LOL
Talk to you soon, Melinda

Melinda,
Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I have made a decision about my meds. I know that there is no way that I am able to take my medication like I'm supposed to, so I have made a commitment to doing things differantly this month when I get my refills. Last night, I really opened up about the problem I was having with my pills to my fiance. Of course he already knew that I was taking more than I was supposed to. He just wasnt aware of how much more. (BTW, he still doesnt know the extent of it) But I figured that wasnt the most important thing. Telling him how much would probably have just caused a big fight, which wouldnt have changed a thing, other than I may have changed my mind about what I wanted to do to try to help myself out of this mess. And, as you know, its a complete disaster. Both emotionally, and financially. And I needed his help. not his anger. He opened up to me as well. Telling me how he had been concerned about me for awhile now. And he also told me that since taking more and more pills, he had noticed that I had changed. That I was not myself. I was just emotionless. Which helped to confirm to me what I had come to realize. So, after all that, I thought about it for awhile. And this morning, after almost chickening out, and changing my mind, I asked him if he would help me to at least control the amount of pills I take. He asked me if I was sure that it was what I really wanted to do....I almost changed my mind again!!! But I thought about it for a minute, and I said yes!!!!! I was sure. I want my life back again. So, he is going to give me the amount of pills I am supposed to take in a day, each morning, and the rest would be locked up, and the key with him.I was and am so absolutely proud of myself for doing something to help myself. FINALLY! It may not be much, but at least its a start. And to think, I would not have thought to do that if it wasnt for you guys on this site. I want to thank you, and I will check in daily to let all know how it is going. Thank you for being there and doing what you do!!!!

[amgalvin3]

that's what I take now, and i FREAKING LOVE THEM!!!! they might be a little bit addictive too, (my dr prescribed them with my suboxone, which i've been done with since feb). I'm prescribed 2 3x daily (50mg) but I TAKE them like this: 3 2X daily. And they LAST LONGER than vicodin too. good luck! ;o)

[anotheraddict]

lookinhigher,

I am so glad to hear that you made this decision. I had to make a similar decision myself, and I haven't regretted it since. I wish I could be off the meds entirely, but I can at least have someone else help me manage to take them like I am supposed to.

Jean

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by lookinhigher

Melinda,
Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I have made a decision about my meds. I know that there is no way that I am able to take my medication like I'm supposed to, so I have made a commitment to doing things differantly this month when I get my refills. Last night, I really opened up about the problem I was having with my pills to my fiance. Of course he already knew that I was taking more than I was supposed to. He just wasnt aware of how much more. (BTW, he still doesnt know the extent of it) But I figured that wasnt the most important thing. Telling him how much would probably have just caused a big fight, which wouldnt have changed a thing, other than I may have changed my mind about what I wanted to do to try to help myself out of this mess. And, as you know, its a complete disaster. Both emotionally, and financially. And I needed his help. not his anger. He opened up to me as well. Telling me how he had been concerned about me for awhile now. And he also told me that since taking more and more pills, he had noticed that I had changed. That I was not myself. I was just emotionless. Which helped to confirm to me what I had come to realize. So, after all that, I thought about it for awhile. And this morning, after almost chickening out, and changing my mind, I asked him if he would help me to at least control the amount of pills I take. He asked me if I was sure that it was what I really wanted to do....I almost changed my mind again!!! But I thought about it for a minute, and I said yes!!!!! I was sure. I want my life back again. So, he is going to give me the amount of pills I am supposed to take in a day, each morning, and the rest would be locked up, and the key with him.I was and am so absolutely proud of myself for doing something to help myself. FINALLY! It may not be much, but at least its a start. And to think, I would not have thought to do that if it wasnt for you guys on this site. I want to thank you, and I will check in daily to let all know how it is going. Thank you for being there and doing what you do!!!!

Hi anotheraddic
I think your on a good start...just getting a hold on things will be HUGE...
That was my first step...just focus on this, I'm really proud of you..
it was good you told fiancé it just makes you more accountable...so you think about it more and then your less likely to abuse them...
Please check in and let us know how it's going you know I will be thinking about you...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[lookinhigher]

Originally Posted by anotheraddict

lookinhigher,

I am so glad to hear that you made this decision. I had to make a similar decision myself, and I haven't regretted it since. I wish I could be off the meds entirely, but I can at least have someone else help me manage to take them like I am supposed to.

Jean

I am glad to hear that you got your meds under control. That is my goal. I dont think that I am ever going to be able to get off the meds completely, either. There is so much scar tissue, and alot of nerve damage from my waist down to my toes. But I know that I will feel much better when I can control them. So far, I am doing well. I am just taking it day by day. Right now, I know I cant control them by myself, but I am sure that in the future, I will be able to. Thanks for your concern.And taking the time to reply.