[datahamster]

I had a thread here entitled Can Oxycodone cause depression", but need different advice now. I'm pretty much convinced that not only is Oxycodone
causing my crazy agitated suicidal depression, but it's generally ruining my
health and my life.

Anyway, I've been cutting down gradually, was at maybe 60 mg. or so for a
couple of weeks, then going down to 50 mg.--now what I want is to go
as fast as possible, without inducing detox.

I have 5 mg. tabs of Oxycodone, and space them out thru the day, as I hate
feeling any "high" from this stuff. I only took about 25 mg. yesterday, and
my legs felt tight and restless? Also have a horrible head cold for the last
few days.

OK, so my question is: what is the amount of Oxy I can take each day to
taper off as quickly as possible without causing detoxing? And how many days
at each amount?
I would much appreciate any advice, I just want to get off this stuff as
safely and painlessly as possible! Thanks so very much
Datahamster

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by datahamster

I had a thread here entitled Can Oxycodone cause depression", but need different advice now. I'm pretty much convinced that not only is Oxycodone
causing my crazy agitated suicidal depression, but it's generally ruining my
health and my life.

Anyway, I've been cutting down gradually, was at maybe 60 mg. or so for a
couple of weeks, then going down to 50 mg.--now what I want is to go
as fast as possible, without inducing detox.

I have 5 mg. tabs of Oxycodone, and space them out thru the day, as I hate
feeling any "high" from this stuff. I only took about 25 mg. yesterday, and
my legs felt tight and restless? Also have a horrible head cold for the last
few days.

OK, so my question is: what is the amount of Oxy I can take each day to
taper off as quickly as possible without causing detoxing? And how many days
at each amount?
I would much appreciate any advice, I just want to get off this stuff as
safely and painlessly as possible! Thanks so very much
Datahamster

Sorry for missing your post yesterday. Don't know how we missed it. We normally do pretty good with answering all the new posts.

We are all a little different but you can normally taper by about 15% every four days or so .... 20% would be the maximum. That's about as close as I can suggest over the forum with no communication. Try doing this as I'm suggesting and let me know how it's going. Then it will be easier to make suggestions based on how I see you doing with it.

Melinda makes a lot of suggestions on oxy tapers. She did it and has been clean for some time now. I will contact her and she will post here following my post I'm pretty sure. Stay in touch and take care. God bless.

[melinda7.5]

Hi datahamster
Well I did a taper, So I can tell how I did it.
If you took five 5 Mg pills yesterday I would do that again for about 3 or 4 days...or until you feel stable...maybe you can do it faster.
Then your body will get use to that.then you can drop off another pill in a couple more days.
Every time your body feels stable again is when I dropped another pill...
I started playing a little mind game...when its time to take your pill see how long you can wait till you take it I would say I'm going to see if I can wait ten minutes before I take my pill then I would do it again...
Before I knew it I was down to 2 Mg a day...
That's when I found this place and Robert talked me into jumping off alltogether....
I was not feeling to well for a couple days,,,but on day 4 of my withdrawal I had a BBQ with about 60 people...
So your going to do just fine,
Sorry we missed your post, Ill be watching for you to see how your doing.
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[python134r]

D-Hamster,

I suffered depression for quite a while once detoxed. I guess I can say with reasonable certainty that many here have suffered too.

The depression I went through in early stages was still not as bad as "incomprehensible demoralization" and depression I felt when relapsed because I knew what I did quite well and beat on myself terribly.

For me, In my experience the depression starts to fade every day, little by little. Relearning how to live without getting outside myself was hard. Still is.....

I am a optimist by nature and being so helped me to get and stay clean. Today even though I have good reason to be depressed I am not, I am getting by, all I have to do is remember how I felt when depressed, that feeling of dread..........

That alone is enough to scare me back straight, only its not so simple. Melinda will help you and there is tons of support here. I would suggest a support network of some kind, it helps, alot.


Rich g

[datahamster]

Many thanks to you all for replying to my post, I really appreciate that :-))
I was beginning to wonder what was wrong with my question, lol.
Re support, that would be great, but I am going to one group, a 16-step one
and next week start a daytime rehab, so I sure hope that part will be improving.

Melinda, I like what you wrote, I am going to follow that way. For me, it's like
walking a tightrope, cause I want to take just enough to not get detox problems but not enough to feel a "high", as it's no longer pleasant to me. But sometimes, I have problems with taking enough, and I need to stick to
the plan, as I started getting stomach cramps today, and a lot of panicky
anxiety and some depression, so I guess that wasn't enough.

Melinda, I envy you! And respect you too. This isn't easy, for sure. Does
anyone know if Suboxone would be helpful for staving off the depression
part? Or maybe making it faster and easier to get off? I live in Vancouver, BC, and there's not many Suboxone resources here.

Also, I've been trying SAMe, that natural supplement? And that's has helping
a great deal with the depression! My naturopath suggested it to me, and
he's very good. So, I've been taking about 1,200 mg. per day, although you
have to get a high-quality enteric-coated one, and it's pretty expensive.
Was going to lower my Prozac at the same time, but my unpleasant day today
convinced me to delay that, lol
AGain, many many thanks, and I'd love to keep in touch thru this link
Blessings,
D-Hamster

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by datahamster

Many thanks to you all for replying to my post, I really appreciate that :-))
I was beginning to wonder what was wrong with my question, lol.
Re support, that would be great, but I am going to one group, a 16-step one
and next week start a daytime rehab, so I sure hope that part will be improving.

Melinda, I like what you wrote, I am going to follow that way. For me, it's like
walking a tightrope, cause I want to take just enough to not get detox problems but not enough to feel a "high", as it's no longer pleasant to me. But sometimes, I have problems with taking enough, and I need to stick to
the plan, as I started getting stomach cramps today, and a lot of panicky
anxiety and some depression, so I guess that wasn't enough.

Melinda, I envy you! And respect you too. This isn't easy, for sure. Does
anyone know if Suboxone would be helpful for staving off the depression
part? Or maybe making it faster and easier to get off? I live in Vancouver, BC, and there's not many Suboxone resources here.

Also, I've been trying SAMe, that natural supplement? And that's has helping
a great deal with the depression! My naturopath suggested it to me, and
he's very good. So, I've been taking about 1,200 mg. per day, although you
have to get a high-quality enteric-coated one, and it's pretty expensive.
Was going to lower my Prozac at the same time, but my unpleasant day today
convinced me to delay that, lol
AGain, many many thanks, and I'd love to keep in touch thru this link
Blessings,
D-Hamster

There are some sources for suboxone that are approved by Health Canada. I am not at my home computer ... have the Canadian information saved at home. Will be home in a couple days and can get it to you at that time .... contact numbers, email addresses, specific individuals. Suboxone won't help with depression but would help with the opiate detox should you choose to go that way. For more info on suboxone read the following link .....

http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html

[melinda7.5]

Hi D-Hamster
I know it's not easy It's the hardest thing you will ever do in your life but just think about the end of this and how good it's goiing to feel when you are done...OH man your going to say HAPPY DAY .
When I had my anxiety I would just think of it as all of the drugs leaving my body...so the next time you feel bad just smile to yourself and think Im doing this and it will be over soon...and im going to make it...AND.. LOL,Im going to come out on top...

I know Robert has the info for you on the subs ...

Rich is right we need to learn how to live again with out the pills...

Hang in there...your doing great !!!
talk to you soon, Melinda

[datahamster]

Robert, thanks for the link, I read that, and also saw some links you kindly sent someone in Ontario, I believe it was the ShieringPlough company? I'd
love to see any other links you might have of course.

Melinda, thank you so kindly for your wonderful encouragement, I so enjoy
just reading your email. It's been so long since I felt "light" in energy, as you
seem to, I'm more like that little black cloud that follows around that Peanuts
character?
I was actually tempted to take more than I needed of the Oxy today, but
then remembered how bad I wanted to stop this bizarre depression that's
been riding me for over the past year. It's just so hard to deal with, and I
had thought that I had dealt with depression before....NOT! this Oxy-depression seems a whole different animal......and I actually still feel suicidal,
and really don't know what else to do. Also have a difficult menopause happening, but I'm taking bio-identicals, etc, now.....
Melinda, did you use Subs at all?
Leigh

[Robert_325]

The press release that you are looking at on the thread to the other Canadians is the link I was referring to. If you look at the end of the press release there are all kinds of contacts including the drug manufacturers reps, clinics, associations, all kinds of emails and phone numbers.

I've given this information to several people in Canada and have yet to have anyone get back with me so I can only assume the information is good. But I would appreciate it if you would give me some feedback if you contact these people as to how this works out being in another country from where I am. I would like to know the information I'm giving people is working. So if you attempt to contact any of these people there kindly let me know how it goes. Thanks and God bless.

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by datahamster

Robert, thanks for the link, I read that, and also saw some links you kindly sent someone in Ontario, I believe it was the ShieringPlough company? I'd
love to see any other links you might have of course.

Melinda, thank you so kindly for your wonderful encouragement, I so enjoy
just reading your email. It's been so long since I felt "light" in energy, as you
seem to, I'm more like that little black cloud that follows around that Peanuts
character?
I was actually tempted to take more than I needed of the Oxy today, but
then remembered how bad I wanted to stop this bizarre depression that's
been riding me for over the past year. It's just so hard to deal with, and I
had thought that I had dealt with depression before....NOT! this Oxy-depression seems a whole different animal......and I actually still feel suicidal,
and really don't know what else to do. Also have a difficult menopause happening, but I'm taking bio-identicals, etc, now.....
Melinda, did you use Subs at all?
Leigh

Hi Leigh
I had a very bad oxycontin addiction I was on that for about three years.
I used oxycodone and vic's to taper off of them..
I was also addicted to Klonopin and soma...
this is what my doctor put me on for my fibro...
Oh...girl I was so sick from the oxycontin and the klonopin....
But to answer you ? no I never went the sub route I wanted off of all drugs and that was the only way I knew how to do it...
and im kind of pig headed...LOL...
When you get feeling bad get on here and talk to us.
It helped me so much when I was in w/d...
If I can do anything to help you please let me know...
I will talk to you soon, Melinda