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    Unhappy Help! Can Oxycodone cause depression?

    I would really appreciate some help/advice. I was prescribed oxycodone by my
    doctor about 3 years ago, for mild-moderate chronic back and neck pain of
    about 20 years. SO not a good idea! I've had depression for a long time,
    but I think it was generally mild, compared to what I've been enduring the past year, and have become suicidal in the past few months, just very very depressed.

    My Paxil, which I've taken for years, stopped working about a year ago, although I still take them, as no other SSRI has worked. So that leaves the Oxycodone, since the onset of this huge depression started about 1 year into this drug, I think, but I honestly can't remember now! I just know that I've never felt so messed-up before I took the Oxy.

    So I feel total apathy, can barely do any housework, don't bother cooking for myself, etc. as I'm too unmotivated. I'm so confused that I can hardly do grocery shopping anymore. I just feel this horrible bleak depression, and can't find joy in anything anymore, though I used to have many varied interests and had a great sense of humor. Also, am often really exhausted and find it hard to get to
    sleep and really hard to wake up.

    Can someone please tell me---is it possible that Oxycodone is causing this? BTW, I'm addicted to it, of course, but it's lost almost all effect on me, certainly doesn't help with pain. I would have to
    take an enormous amount for it to do that. Has anyone experienced such depression from it?
    Also, I've been cutting down, am down to 6 10mg. tabs a day, and intend to taper off of it, I hope, but am not very confident just yet.
    Many thanks, in advance,
    Datahamster
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    Hi Data,

    Yes it sounds as your symptoms are in-line with opiate abuse. Most of us have visited this site because of the same reasons. After time the effectiveness of opiate pain relief decreases and we begin to take more to obtain results. Thus begins the downward spiral. The lousy feeling is what motivates many of us to try to quit. The simple truth is that opiate pain relief should only be used for very short periods. Many doctors will only prescribe a 10 day max treatment for pain relief, others just don't seem to care. You sound like a good candidate for detox and alternate pain control. Suicidal....? Very serious...try to discuss this with your doctor as this is not a good thing to ignore. Wishing you the best possible, hope this helped!

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    Yes, t can and will cause depression over the long term. I would suggest you continue to taper down, then address your depression after being off.

    A change in ad's may help too. Prozac seems to have good results as does wellbutrin. And you may find you dont need an ad after getting off opiates.

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    Thanks so much, Mitchigan and Money chick, I appreciate your validation and ideas. I really want to find out for sure if it's the Oxy that's causing this severe depression, as that would make it so much easier to taper off, you know? Cause I know it will be hard.
    From what you said, it sounds like a vicious circle---you feel so ********py that you become
    powerless to do much, even get off this evil stuff! With me, I have so many other problems in my life, it's hard to pin down the main culprit. I'd love to hear from a few other people that have felt severe depression from this!!! Thanks again.
    Datahamster

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    Hi Datahamster,

    I'm sorry you're going through this. You bet those pills can cause depression. They touch the opiate receptors in the brain, and that messes up whatever natural mood equilibrium you have. The body eventually comes to rely on the pills to regulate mood. Then you develop a tolerance, and you're toast. The opiates will totally void out your antidepressant.

    This is exactly what happened to me. As a matter of fact, I started abusing opiates in order to deal with depression. It got impossible for my doctor to treat me, because I was self-medicating.

    I remember one very bad period in my life when I was using heavily. I would get up in the morning, very depressed, and pop some percocets. I could feel my mood lifting, and it would stay there for about half an hour, and then I would feel suicidal again. That was the worst time of my life.

    Please do talk to your doctor about this as soon as you can. You can get it straightened out and feel better again. And please let us know how you're doing. This is a great community where people are very supportive. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by datahamster View Post
    I would really appreciate some help/advice. I was prescribed oxycodone by my
    doctor about 3 years ago, for mild-moderate chronic back and neck pain of
    about 20 years. SO not a good idea! I've had depression for a long time,
    but I think it was generally mild, compared to what I've been enduring the past year, and have become suicidal in the past few months, just very very depressed.

    My Paxil, which I've taken for years, stopped working about a year ago, although I still take them, as no other SSRI has worked. So that leaves the Oxycodone, since the onset of this huge depression started about 1 year into this drug, I think, but I honestly can't remember now! I just know that I've never felt so messed-up before I took the Oxy.

    So I feel total apathy, can barely do any housework, don't bother cooking for myself, etc. as I'm too unmotivated. I'm so confused that I can hardly do grocery shopping anymore. I just feel this horrible bleak depression, and can't find joy in anything anymore, though I used to have many varied interests and had a great sense of humor. Also, am often really exhausted and find it hard to get to
    sleep and really hard to wake up.

    Can someone please tell me---is it possible that Oxycodone is causing this? BTW, I'm addicted to it, of course, but it's lost almost all effect on me, certainly doesn't help with pain. I would have to
    take an enormous amount for it to do that. Has anyone experienced such depression from it?
    Also, I've been cutting down, am down to 6 10mg. tabs a day, and intend to taper off of it, I hope, but am not very confident just yet.
    Many thanks, in advance,
    Datahamster
    As your body becomes acclimated to the med your body wants more.You end up having some w/d, even staying on the same dose over time.That is how a lot of us get in trouble me take more to compensate.Mitchigan was right about that .Yes it is very possible that this complicating is your depression.Good luck.MM
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    Very interesting and helpful info, thanks so much Maisie and Musicman.
    Maisie, that was very eye-opening for me, when you said that opiates will
    totally void out your AD's!!!! Yikes.....this feels about right!

    And Musicman, huge congrats on 140 days sober, you are an inspiration!

    I stayed at 60mg. Oxycodone for the past week or so, and starting today,
    am progressing down to 50 mg! I just feel so bad from it, and feel like 20 years
    older. I hope to be off of it in about 2 weeks. I'm also starting therapy with
    a good counsellor and attending a very good, holistic daytime rehab program,
    which goes for 8 weeks. You get acupuncture, good info, and all kinds of
    stress reduction stuff like yoga. That's in about 10 days, it begins.

    It seems to me that the "feel" of the Oxy depression is different, more
    almost tortured. Anyone feel that way? Like mentally/emotionally you are
    trapped, and "in a corner" sort of. It just feels different than regular
    depression, and I don't mean "better" in any way......I used to have a great
    sense of humor and now I hardly even smile or laugh.
    Thanks so much for your feedback, it's keepin' me going.
    Leigh
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    Hi all,

    I can tell you that 25 days off all those pills has drastically changed my mood for the better. Once I got past the w/d, and back into life again, it is quite amazing what we give up for that elusive "high".

    I did take Wellbutrin for a while but I am pretty much off those too.

    Sue

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    Sue, thanks very much, and congrats on this huge accomplishment! I'm
    following in your footsteps,
    Hugs,
    Leigh

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    Hi need help ,I found this group looking for info on deppression and longterm pain meds oxy and methodone. I am A adict I see no way out since I need the meds for pain and to feel normal at usual doses,I have bin on oxy for several years I save them up and abuse them about twice every few weeks along with pot.The pot by its self isnt A problem its mixing the two that is the cycle I have bin on for several years.I keep thinking the methodone will get me threw after I run out of oxy till the next script but it doesnt.I am concerned that my deppression is caused by the long term use.I only half want to quite because opiats have greatly improved my life,they also have helped with OCD symptoms.The problem is I am dead deppressed I go from 6 oxy 5 methd dayly when I 'm taking as directed and twice that when not about once A week .Can going from that to just methodone cause severe deppression?I am allso on lexapro,adavan a benzo,clonidine,wellbutren,and more. I have no confidence that they are working anymore I have bin on them for to long?do they just stop working?they worked for 3 years ,all of them.I feel it would likely be next to impossible to get off them all.Truely my life was allot better for along time exspeacialy after first starting the pain pills.It apears to be over now.I have lost interesed in everything and nothing is very much fun anymore.I can not stop this cycle of getting really loaded once A week.there seems no solution really down right now and compulsivly thinking and planing ways to die..

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifesuxdethsux View Post
    Hi need help ,I found this group looking for info on deppression and longterm pain meds oxy and methodone. I am A adict I see no way out since I need the meds for pain and to feel normal at usual doses,I have bin on oxy for several years I save them up and abuse them about twice every few weeks along with pot.The pot by its self isnt A problem its mixing the two that is the cycle I have bin on for several years.I keep thinking the methodone will get me threw after I run out of oxy till the next script but it doesnt.I am concerned that my deppression is caused by the long term use.I only half want to quite because opiats have greatly improved my life,they also have helped with OCD symptoms.The problem is I am dead deppressed I go from 6 oxy 5 methd dayly when I 'm taking as directed and twice that when not about once A week .Can going from that to just methodone cause severe deppression?I am allso on lexapro,adavan a benzo,clonidine,wellbutren,and more. I have no confidence that they are working anymore I have bin on them for to long?do they just stop working?they worked for 3 years ,all of them.I feel it would likely be next to impossible to get off them all.Truely my life was allot better for along time exspeacialy after first starting the pain pills.It apears to be over now.I have lost interesed in everything and nothing is very much fun anymore.I can not stop this cycle of getting really loaded once A week.there seems no solution really down right now and compulsivly thinking and planing ways to die..
    Hi there,

    I'm sorry you're going through all this. Let me just get this straight: you're taking oxy for pain, and you need it? But you're also saving it up to take at a higher dose to get high on? What is your regular dosage, and how much do you have to take to get high?

    I think it's very likely that what you're doing with the oxys has made your depression a lot worse. You know that opiates touch the opiate receptors in your brain, and your brain therefore gets conditioned to having that chemical boost to "happiness." The trouble is that you develop a tolerance and need more and more. So you can end up a lot more depressed than you started out. Plus the way you're jumping around with the dosage is bound to mess up your brain.

    I have heard of antidepressants suddenly not helping any more, for no apparent reason. But I don't think this is the case here. There's plenty of reason that your meds aren't helping your emotional state. It's the oxys that are making it impossible for those meds to do their job. I know, because I've done this: abused opiates while taking antidepressant medication. My experience was that the opiates voided out the antidepressants. My doctor even thought I was manic because my moods changed a lot, and he put me on lithium! Well, I'm not manic, I was just jerking my brain around and not telling the doctor the truth. This is pretty serious stuff, and you really ought to stop as soon as you can.

    Your life is NOT over. You have some work ahead of you, but I know you can do it and get your equilibrium back if you really want to. First of all, though, you have to want to. If you're ambivalent, it's going to be next to impossible. If you're ready to quit, people here can help you and will be very supportive. I know you're feeling helpless right now and probably don't feel a lot of resolve. But you have to make up your mind if you want to change. Are you ready to quit this?

    You CAN stop the cycle of getting loaded once a week. Why do you say you cannot? That's one of the first things you need to do. Is it that you don't want to? That's different from cannot, though I understand you're feeling very stuck right now. But you do have a choice about what you do.

    Hang in there, and take care of yourself. Please let us know what you decide you want to do.

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    If you are going to be on pain meds for life then you need to look in to methadone. It's very unusual to build large tolerences to methadone.I started out at 400mgs a day and 7 years later I'm down to 120mgs a day and my back pain is under pretty good control. As chronic pain patients we will always have some pain. What a lot of pain patients tend to do is take a pill and think that's it. Youneed to get active both mentally and physically otherwise you will fall into depression and incontrolled pain.Good luck and talk to your doctor about your options. A pain doctor would be best at this point......Dave

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    Just posting a quick note on how I'm doing, since starting this link. I've got down to about 4 tablets of the 5 mg. Oxycodones daily, and have been stuck here
    for about 2-months. I've been having severe major depression still, and feel
    like I'm stuck in tar. But I think perhaps this will continue until I totally get
    off this stuff--does anyone have a thought on this? I'm rather surprised that
    such a small amount might be causing such a whopper of a depression! It's
    only 20 mg., or so . I think I need a small kick in the butt, lol! Any takers?
    It also seems to be killing off my anti-depressants.
    Regards,
    datahamster

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    Quote Originally Posted by datahamster View Post
    Just posting a quick note on how I'm doing, since starting this link. I've got down to about 4 tablets of the 5 mg. Oxycodones daily, and have been stuck here
    for about 2-months. I've been having severe major depression still, and feel
    like I'm stuck in tar. But I think perhaps this will continue until I totally get
    off this stuff--does anyone have a thought on this? I'm rather surprised that
    such a small amount might be causing such a whopper of a depression! It's
    only 20 mg., or so . I think I need a small kick in the butt, lol! Any takers?
    It also seems to be killing off my anti-depressants.
    Regards,
    datahamster
    Hi Data
    I was stuck at 2 five mg vics...it was a long road...how are you taking them...in the morning, night ???
    I just started dropping them off ...the morning was the hardest for me to give up...
    But you can do this...trust me I'm not that tough...so if I can do it you can to...
    I would drop off another 10 mg then just quit...I had a couple bad days but then I started working my way up...and I'm still climbing
    come on !!!!
    keep posting it will help you quit...couse I will be talking your ear off till you do....
    talk to you soon, Melinda

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    Melinda, so nice to hear from you :-)) Actually, I take one 5 mg. in the a.m.,
    but then try and space the other 4 throughout the day, lol.

    do YOU think it's possible that 20 mg. can cause this depression?

    And how severe was your withdrawal from 10 mgs, was it bad? I'm such a
    chicken, lol! I'm now determined to keep taking less.

    Thanks much
    Data

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    Quote Originally Posted by datahamster View Post
    Melinda, so nice to hear from you :-)) Actually, I take one 5 mg. in the a.m.,
    but then try and space the other 4 throughout the day, lol.

    do YOU think it's possible that 20 mg. can cause this depression?

    And how severe was your withdrawal from 10 mgs, was it bad? I'm such a
    chicken, lol! I'm now determined to keep taking less.

    Thanks much
    Data
    Hi data
    I was taking oxycontin...40mg but I was taking two at a time and I would bite (chew) them to get get rid of the time release.I know sick...
    so I was taking 16 at a time then I would throw in a couple of 10mg vics for a kicker...So when I started my taper on them is when I got the sickest...
    by the time I got down to 2 five mg vic...I pretty much had it down it was more of the mental thing of letting them go and saying good by to those little devil pills...It's kinda of funny...I tore up all of my pics from those days and I won't wear any clothes that I wore then I threw them all away.I just can't stand to think about those days anymore...
    you know I live with pain every day ...but for me that is ok...
    you can do this and you will be so glad you did just drop 5mg a week...you will get there but you have to keep posting so you make yourself accountable...
    I will be praying for you...
    you have the strength in you I promise...
    Talk to you soon , Melinda

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    Wow Melissa, you did really well to get off them. At one point, I was at 200mg., lol
    I can totally relate to throwing out all the stuff you associate with that time,
    I think I would too.

    I really want to take the next step, like down to 3 pills, not four. The depression is so severe that I sometimes have like a panic/suicide attack, and
    feel I need to take an Ativan to calm down. THEN of course, I need 10 mg. of
    Oxy to keep going thru the day. This is so messed up. This depression has
    become a freakin' monster, just waiting to finish me off. Nothing is helping, not any anti-d's, etc. nothing. Not going out, going to NA meetings, nothing.
    No good therapists here, it seems....
    If I could be sure that 20 mg. of Oxy could be causing all of this hell, it would
    give me incredible motivation--I'm really on my last legs here, nothing and no one is helping.
    Melissa, would it be possible to get your direct email addy?
    Hugs,
    Leigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifesuxdethsux View Post
    Hi need help ,I found this group looking for info on deppression and longterm pain meds oxy and methodone. I am A adict I see no way out since I need the meds for pain and to feel normal at usual doses,I have bin on oxy for several years I save them up and abuse them about twice every few weeks along with pot.The pot by its self isnt A problem its mixing the two that is the cycle I have bin on for several years.I keep thinking the methodone will get me threw after I run out of oxy till the next script but it doesnt.I am concerned that my deppression is caused by the long term use.I only half want to quite because opiats have greatly improved my life,they also have helped with OCD symptoms.The problem is I am dead deppressed I go from 6 oxy 5 methd dayly when I 'm taking as directed and twice that when not about once A week .Can going from that to just methodone cause severe deppression?I am allso on lexapro,adavan a benzo,clonidine,wellbutren,and more. I have no confidence that they are working anymore I have bin on them for to long?do they just stop working?they worked for 3 years ,all of them.I feel it would likely be next to impossible to get off them all.Truely my life was allot better for along time exspeacialy after first starting the pain pills.It apears to be over now.I have lost interesed in everything and nothing is very much fun anymore.I can not stop this cycle of getting really loaded once A week.there seems no solution really down right now and compulsivly thinking and planing ways to die..
    Dear Lifesux and Datamaster:

    I too suffered from long-term major depression. I was taking Methadone and Norco for back pain and thought I could not live without them due to the pain. I do know that opiates really mess with your dopamine function, dopamine is your natural "feel good" brain chemical. Opiates highjack your dopamine production and receptors and in time your brain stops making it's own dopamine and the receptors shut down because your brain has been sturated by synthetic opiates (oxy, methadone, hydrocodone, etc) and doesn't think it needs to make any of it's own, thus leading to protracted depression. I battled depression for 14 years and also started taking opiates because I thought it was the ONLY thing that made me feel better; at that time I just didn't care, I couldn't take the depression any longer.

    After 5 years of opiates and the depression eventually getting even worse (yes there were times when I didn't care if I died and even wanted to) I knew I had to do something. It took me A YEAR to get up the courage to make a change. I was scared to death of withdrawal. I was in such a daze from the methadone and Norco that I struggled even finding where to go for help. It was a nightmare. Finally, I found this site. This site gave me the impitus and courage to move towards getting my life back. I HAVE BEEN WHERE YOU ARE and not very long ago. With the help and support of the people in this little "community" I am on my way. Just 1 week after stopping the methadone and Norco and starting Suboxone (to taper off of) I already felt my depression lifting. The clarity I have now is UNBELIEVABLE and my depression is MUCH improved.

    I am telling you this because I didn't think I could live without pain medication either, but, in fact, a lot of my pain has actually improved. Opiates can cause their own pain syndrome. Don't give up. I know you feel like you are so far in and messed up right now that you just can't imagine finding your way out. Listen to what the people here are telling you. They are living proof that it can be done. If you decide you want to get off the pain medication, Robert, Melinda, Musicman and others will help you.

    I want to give you some HOPE. Best wishes, most of us have been in your shoes.

    mags
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    I was on every AD and at the highest doses and all they really for me was make me gain weight and mess with my thought process. They are the most over-prescribed med around, even worse than vics. Some need them but the drs determined finally that I was just mad because I was sick and in pain. So I got off the ADs.

    I took opiates at the rate like thirty 30mg roxies, 30-40 lorcets, all per day plus other assorted garbage. When I got off certainly I was depressed. I just lost my best friend. And I did this for decades day after day.

    It takes years to build up these addictions and it all doesn't often go away in a few weeks. It takes time. People need to have realistic attitudes about what they are going to face. And then work with people who have done this and know what they are talking about by experience. Street smarts go a long ways. At least that is my opinion. God bless.
    I am not a dr. My statements are based on years of experience and related education. Consult with the professional of your choice regarding matters of concern.

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    to Mags and Robert, bless you both for posting and giving me hope, I truly
    appreciate that. I do agree with what you guys said, and I'm actually doing
    alot better than my last post indicates I am still at a low dosage, but am
    getting ready to take "the leap"! I already have some clonidine, but am a bit
    worried about taking too much since I already take blood pressure meds?

    Anyhow, Yes, I'm almost ready. Mags, I found what you said about the dopamine effect very interesting, it's the same thing that AD's do to our
    serotonin, so no wonder we finally get so incredibly depressed! I also recently saw a very highly trained Naturopath, and he told me that Oxy affects our Hypo-adrenal pituitary axis (HPA axis), so he said that yes, in his
    opinion Oxy can affect our whole system and mood, definitely.

    Robert, it seems you have to same experience with the anti-d's that I do. I guess the poor ad's just aren't powerful enough to overcome the Oxy, and
    everything it's causing.
    Don't think I can find a Suboxone dr. up here, and was told anyway that it's very very expensive, so probably won't use those. But am going to take action soon. and again, many thanks to all of you, I will be in touch. And the
    weather is finally improving, which really helps, mood-wise!
    Leigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by datahamster View Post
    Wow Melissa, you did really well to get off them. At one point, I was at 200mg., lol
    I can totally relate to throwing out all the stuff you associate with that time,
    I think I would too.

    I really want to take the next step, like down to 3 pills, not four. The depression is so severe that I sometimes have like a panic/suicide attack, and
    feel I need to take an Ativan to calm down. THEN of course, I need 10 mg. of
    Oxy to keep going thru the day. This is so messed up. This depression has
    become a freakin' monster, just waiting to finish me off. Nothing is helping, not any anti-d's, etc. nothing. Not going out, going to NA meetings, nothing.
    No good therapists here, it seems....
    If I could be sure that 20 mg. of Oxy could be causing all of this hell, it would
    give me incredible motivation--I'm really on my last legs here, nothing and no one is helping.
    Melissa, would it be possible to get your direct email addy?
    Hugs,
    Leigh
    Hi Leigh
    Sorry I missed this post...if you click on my screen name melinda7.5 it will send you to my e-mail and you can send me a mssg...
    Talk to you later, Melinda

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    Thanks much Melinda. But I thought I'd poll everyone who reads this link.
    I've been at a low dosage of the Oxycodone for several weeks now, like
    about 20 - 30 mg? This last week, I went up a little as I wanted to check
    something out related to my depression. What I really want to do is QUIT
    NOW! I'm wondering, does it make a big difference in how bad you feel, whether you stop at 20 mg. or 40 mg., etc.? I'm so freaked out about the
    withdrawal that I'm spending way more time on this horrid drug that I want to.
    Also, can anyone give me a rough idea of how many days before I could
    start doing "normal" things?
    Would much appreciate your advice,
    Leigh

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    Dear Leigh-

    I am so sorry you are struggling so with depression. I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL. I have been right where you are, absolutely despairing and desperate. I got sooo tired of people telling me "oh, it will get better", "give it some time", "try THIS antidepressant but, of coure, it will take 6 weeks to start working if it does"...... There are times I just wanted to drop kick everyone. I wanted to scream "YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, I'M DYING HERE!"....ugh. The only thing I CAN tell you is that since stopping Methadone and Norco I definitely feel less depressed (and I have only been off of them for about 2 weeks). Don't get me wrong, I'm not jumping for joy yet, but I do feel better.

    As far as stopping the oxy all together and how much withdrawal you will have, I am not really an expert yet on that, but I suspect you would have a good deal of withdrawal and I don't think you need that on top of the depression. It sounds like you are frantic. Are you at all able to kind of calm youself down a bit and, with the help of some of the others here, come up with a better plan that will not put you into such sudden withdrawal? I am sure some of the people that know what they are doing here will get back to you soon. I am sure there is a better way to get off of the oxy's than just stopping them suddenly. You don't need any more pain, the pain of depression is more than one should ever have to deal with.

    Hang in there. I'll keep track of how you are doing.

    mags

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    Quote Originally Posted by datahamster View Post
    Thanks much Melinda. But I thought I'd poll everyone who reads this link.
    I've been at a low dosage of the Oxycodone for several weeks now, like
    about 20 - 30 mg? This last week, I went up a little as I wanted to check
    something out related to my depression. What I really want to do is QUIT
    NOW! I'm wondering, does it make a big difference in how bad you feel, whether you stop at 20 mg. or 40 mg., etc.? I'm so freaked out about the
    withdrawal that I'm spending way more time on this horrid drug that I want to.
    Also, can anyone give me a rough idea of how many days before I could
    start doing "normal" things?
    Would much appreciate your advice,
    Leigh
    Hi data
    Your talking to master at the taper game...LOL...I was taking oxycontin and perc's and vic's and klonopin and soma's ....LOL and I tapered off all of those...so to answer your question If it was me I would go down to 10 or 20 mg and jump off when I got down that far I just quit I was sick for about 4 days but not the kind of sick that most of the people are on here...I was like that when I quit the oxycontin ...your ready I think you should go for it.
    Do the Thomas recipe...do you have that if not Ill get it for you...
    Let us know how your doing...
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    Thanks much to Mags and Melinda!

    Mags, what you were saying about wanting to drop-kick people who offer
    such lousy unhelpful advice, I can totally relate! I really believe that response comes out of my depression somewhat too, it's makes me very
    irritable. (the depression does, I mean)

    Melinda, that was very helpful advice, thanks much. That's who I need is the
    taper-down queen, lol! Yes, I'm getting very very close to dumping the Oxy
    altogether, but I want to make sure I've tapered down as much as humanly
    possible, so another few days to a week will do it. And I'll also make sure that
    I don't have any important activities planned, just in case.
    Yes, I do have the Thomas protocol, thanks very much. I printed it out just
    a few days ago, and already have Clonidine.
    Will be in touch soon :-))
    Data

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    I see I'm coming quite late to this party. Leigh, did you ever get off the oxy completely?

    Although the thread is old, I decided to post anyway to share a couple of my own experiences. I found this thread via a Google search; maybe someone else will, too, and find it helpful.

    1. One way to taper off addictive meds is VERY VERY SLOWLY. This can help psychologically as well as physiologically. Leigh, I see you were trying to taper off oxy in just a week or two. You could try going slower, and taking longer. I tapered off benzo's and took six weeks to get from 1.5 mg/day to zero. I tapered off so slowly that I noticed no w/d symptoms at all. This was really helpful to get me over the fear of w/d (especially rebound insomnia and anxiety, which I really didn't need at the time).

    2. A number of people in this thread have spoken of medium- to long-term opiate abuse and depression, but I find even short-term use can give me a depression "hangover." Even one (!) dose can cause me depression the next day – not suicidal, but severe enough so that people who know me well can tell something is wrong. So in my experience, even the occasional use of opiates (recreational or short-term pain related) can cause depression as a side effect. I'd say that if depression is a side effect for you, go for total abstinence. Even occasional use could be problematic.

    Ron
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    My god, im in the same boat! Im a single mom of 3 little ones, im 37 and addicted to oxy and hydrocodone. Im prescribed Oxy 30mg 1 and a half tabs, 6 times a day. I take about 12. Im also prescribed norco 10mg twice a day I take about 12 of these a day also. Im suicidal and lost..... completly lost, I dont even know who Iam anymore. I cant continue or ill start crying in front of my kids. I will be back to talk more. I need to hear what all of you have to say.

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    Hi gabbrielle and Ron and everyone who's posted,

    Yes, I'm still here! Sorry Ron, I didn't seem to get any notififcation when you posted,and therefore didn't see it. Really, I'm sorry to say that not much has changed,which is depressing
    in itself--I guess at least I'm not taking a zillion mg.'s or something.

    Ron, another friend told me the same thing, that even after taking Oxy for just one day, they
    get depressed, so I'm sure that at the rate I'm taking it, it's depressing as hell.

    I heard from someone that dr.s don't even START using Suboxone on you until you are taking quite
    a high amount, does anyone know if this is true? Like Gabbrielle, I'm taking about 100 mg
    daily or so. I wonder, could I order this from an internet pharmacy?

    I am still trying to find places/ways/dr
    s to help me detox, and having very little luck in doing so. I really don't
    think that my doing it on my own is going to work at all, especially with almost no support. Plus
    the depression and chronic pain, especially the depression and the apathy from the Oxy is
    making such things impossible. This would also apply to the long-time tapering, you need alot of willpower for that--which I used to have, but not anymore.

    Gabrielle, try and remember that
    the Oxy itself causes alot of fear, I feel the same way. I'm gotten to feeling a bit better by
    telling myself that it's just a thought or an emotion and thoughts lie, they lie a LOT (as Dr. Amen said). Also, someone on this thread said they thought that Norco was very depressing
    on it's own. (just click on File and then Find, and then Norco, at the top of thread)

    I've been looking for Dr.'s that use Suboxone, but we are years behind in Canada
    and they don't even use it yet in detox places, unless it's a ritzy private one, which I can't afford.

    I've been working with an addiction counselor, at a reasonable rate, but not sure how helpful
    this is being for me. At the price though, it's my only choice, for sure. Also, I came across a
    helpful idea at another forum, it's about getting a non-using friend to help you with home detox,
    and the following is the main part of the plan:
    1. Line up a tough trusted friend, spouse or significant other who will be in charge of your meds and dole them out to you. This person will have to hold the line no matter how much you whine & manipulate.
    2. Follow a set schedule. The schedule should be written out and turned over to the person administering the meds.

    Also, If you have any Oxies left over from your schedule, throw them out!

    I am almost obsessed with the desire to get my life back from Master Oxy. Anyone have any
    other ideas that I haven't thought of? I'm trying to not hate myself for getting hooked on it, as
    almost anyone would have, it doesn't help you to have that attitude! Also, doesn't help give you the strength to drop-kick this - lol! Oh, one more thing!
    There's a natural product
    that looks pretty good, and I wanted to ask if anyones used it? I've studied natural products
    for many years, so I can tell that the ingredients do look very very good, but of course, he can't
    ship to Canada. I could ask someone in the US to use their shipping addy and then send it to
    me, I guess. The product is called withdrawal-ease (just add the appropriate w's and coms where they belong, for the site.
    Would love to talk to any folks in my predicament! It was cheering to just hear from Ron and
    Gabrielle. And Gabrielle, I know how you're feeling, but you must hang in there and find a way
    to beat it! Your kids are counting on you, my friend :-)) And really, you're a mother, you can
    do anything, lol....
    Leigh
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    Dear Leigh and Gabbrielle,

    I haven't read through this entire thread's older history, but I have gotten the gist of it, and wanted to try to help.

    I suffered with tremendous depression while I was taking opiates, and had NO idea that the pills I was taking for "relief" were actually making my life unbearable. It took a long time before I could see what was happening.

    Incidentally, I was taking antidepressants during that time - and they did nothing to help. BUT... after I had stopped the pain pills, only then did the ADs make a difference. The opiates were blocking any relief from the antidepressant, and I didn't realize it. I was lost - couldn't see a way out - and that was a horrific place to be.

    At the time, I was also seeing a counselor - and trying to find a way of overcoming the depression. The results were minimal and short-lived, as the opiates were counteracting anything counseling could do for me. Trying to look into the underlying issues while clouded by narcotics is basically a waste of time. So much of what we need to do in counseling is FEEL the feelings - and deal with them; when our feelings are repressed or supressed by pills, we aren't experiencing any genuine processing of emotions.

    In fact, for me, whenever counseling touched on a painful emotion, I became STUCK there, in the misery, rather that working through it. The pills kept my emotions stuck in a horribly painful place.

    The answers can only begin when we rid ourselves of the painkiller addiction. How? We have several options available, none of which are completely pain-free or easy -- but ALL of them are worth the temporary discomfort.

    One suggestion, probably the best, is to taper down the use of pills as much as possible before stopping. As addicts, we can't usually do this ourselves, but some are able - and God bless them, when they can! So - to do a successful taper, seek out someone who has NO addiction issues, who can stand firm when you are weak, and give them all of your remaining pills. Then have them dispense the pills to you on gradually decreasing dosages. Set up a written plan - and tell that loyal friend to stick with it - no matter what! Then, at the point that you stop, you'll be at a low enough dose to minimize any discomfort.

    If tapering is not possible, then you can try "cold-turkey." We have a thread here that outlines the "Thomas Recipe" to follow, to help through many of the symptoms: http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...wal-35169.html It is not unbearable, it's generally like a bad case of the flu for less than a week. But when it is done, it is o-v-e-r. Short term pain for long term gain, right?

    Then another suggestion is suboxone. That's not something I'd rush to do, as you will need to detox off the suboxone in the near future, as well. Suboxone is a narcotic, as well - and if you stay on it too long, you have another nightmare ahead of you to overcome. Here's this forum's best thread on suboxone, written by Robert325, our "resident-guru" on the subject: http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html

    Be very cautious to follow the suboxone instructions completely. Suboxone should NOT be started UNTIL you are in full-blown withdrawal. It is NOT something to take the minute you stop the other pills, or you'll suffer with "precipitated withdrawal," a nightmare you don't need to take on. Stay on the lowest suboxone dose possible - and for the shortest time possible - to make stopping the suboxone easiest on you.

    There is another way of living that you can't begin to experience until you leave the pills behind. It's not easy to get here - it means delaying gratification for a short time, when a pill has become our "quick fix" to anything we don't want to feel. There is no "quick fix" out of addiction - BUT - there is a way out, and it is worth every bit of effort it takes to get there.

    Yes, I'm clean of all drugs - and free of depression today, as well. My life really didn't begin until I got clean, and began to learn how to cope with life without a pill. My sad moments do not last like they used to, and my joy-filled moments are many. (Better than any temporary "high" I ever had with pills!) Honest, as hokey as it sounds - life has taken on a new meaning to me, thanks to overcoming drug addiction. There is hope for you, too, I promise.

    God bless,
    Ruth

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    Omigosh Ruth, what an incredible email! The first time I read it, I was just blown away and also
    full of hope. The second time I read it, I was so impressed with how completely you had addressed pretty much ALL the questions I had, both spoken and not, and how well you
    provided all the right resouces and links--I just finished reading it with a smile on my face :-))
    not a common occurance lately. I would almost say this was divinely guided writing, but you
    are a very good writer anyway. OK, back down to earth here. Thanks so very much --I am seeing
    my way out just that much clearer now. Yes, there are a few questions to figure out yet, but
    really, doesn't it just come down to 3-4 of feeling super for which there is quite a bit
    of help in living thru it (herbs, supplements, etc.) and then FREEDOM!!! One addiction dr. I
    saw basically said that to me--"people just don't stop using it cause they are afraid of withdrawal"! This is so true. Your words validated so much for me---I've had depression ALL
    my life, not ever anything like this. This depression is more like a "dark night of the soul", filled with despair, terror and alienation. And also, I'm lucky I'm just paying $10 for therapy,
    cause I totally agree that one's emotions are just not being engaged, your just numb.
    I am set on detoxing before summer's end, at latest. I went to a N.A. meeting tonight where I came across a friend who gave me the name of a good addiction dr., so am very happy about
    that too. Ruth, bless you, thanks so much--and I hope and pray that I'll be writing about my
    success very soon.
    Take care,
    Leigh
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