[batman_565]

Where to start? I have been taking hydros and percocet for two plus years. I went to sub doctor today. I'm hoping Robert or anyone gets to read this and helps me out. Im started taking it about two hours ago. I took two milligrams at a time per roberts thread. Feeling lots better!!! I'm just wondering where to go from here? I dont want to be on this for long term. I have been reading this forum about 5 or 6 months because i'm tired of the pain pill ride. You all seem like great caring people. PLEASE HELP

[Robert_325]

So how much have you taken so far?

[batman_565]

i have taken 8 miligrams so far my son is here hard to get privicy thanks 4
anserwing so quick .i usually take ten t twelve hydros a day i feel ok now just a little jitters im thinking i need to stop now and take 4 milligrams in the morning and 4 tommorrow evening does that sound right thank u for your time

[Robert_325]

That sounds perfect. Do that through Sunday. If all goes well as I suspect it will then on Monday you should reduce the 8mg down to 6mg. I always suggest dropping off 25% of the dose you stabilize on the fourth day. Then you should stay at 6mg for about a week or so before actually beginning a taper down. That gives you time to get past the original opiate detox. Everyone is different so that is just a tentative plan. Things change depending on how you do. God bless.

[batman_565]

thanks robert i dont no how i got myself into this i have no one to blame but me i dont have any pain got introduced to them a little over two years ago with a sprained knee. I dabbled with them on the weekends afterwards , j noticed they really helped with divorce pains lol. To make a long story short now if i dont have them daily im a mess . Is it normal to still be a little jittery after the sub , o and a little tired thanks

[intelmetal]

It is very common to feel the way you describe. Everyone is a little different, but you should stabilize in about a week on subs. You will not feel real bad or real good, just kinda weird at first. I had a hard time describing the way I felt the first week I started subs. It will get better, just stay focused on getting better. Try some mild excersize right away and pick it up a notch each day. I started walking fast around the block, then started riding my bike for approx. 20 minutes (hard peddling). You want to get your heart pumping and try and break a sweat. When you return from your bike ride, try lite pacing till your heart rate slows down then sit outside for about 10 minutes. Hit the hot shower after that and you will feel much better. OH ! I forgot to mention, before you go walking or riding, get yourself some emergen-C ( 3 packets ) and mix with 15 ounces of bottled water. You will need to drink this prior to your workout for hydration and energy. Hope this helps.
IWANTOUT

to live my life and to be free !

[batman_565]

thanks for the advice , i love hitting the weights cant wait to start back the drugs took over and i lost interst in everthing including the gym. i have lost about ten pounds and i believe it was all muscle o well ican get it back. Thats exactly the way i feel not good and not bad

[intelmetal]

Robert will help you taper, he is the man ! But let me put my 2 cents in. Try and taper down to 2mgs as quick as you can. Stick with Roberts suggestions all the way down, but if you feel up to it you can go a little fast at first. Once you get down to 2mgs, listen to your body closely. It is this area between 2mgs and .25mgs that seem to be the trickiest. You might do well tapering from 2mg to 1.5mgs, but you might have trouble at a particular taper later on. The funny thing is that after struggling at a certain dose, you may find it easier tapering to a lower dose, if that makes any sense. The object of the whole taper process is to get to ZERO ! Do not let any dose unnerve you. Subs are one of the most unpredictable meds I have ever dealt with, they are, well,...moody. They can change their mind on the way THEY want to work. Bottom line: Stay in touch with Robert, and if you have any questions for me, SHOOT !
IWANTOUT

to live my life and to be free !

[batman_565]

good morning everyone thanks for the advice . Second day took my 4 milligrams this morning still a little jitery but ok its better than chasing a high all day that u cant catch . I will drop to six milligrams monday per robert now im scared what i will do when i get off the subs . Im guessing yall have done the same things eating pills instead of taking care of our bodies that god gave us its realy hard to believe what we do to ourselves.guess i will worry about that fight later . I do have a question for everyone i feel like part of me hates the pills and part of me wants the high , my mind says u have done it now cant get high if u want to.

[melinda7.5]

Hi Batman
I had the same thing happen to me.I call it the angel, devil thing...part of me would say things like go ahead you can take some pills and the other part would scream out NO NO ...so I just started telling the bad part to shut up...It is all such a mental game if you can get thru that part the rest will be easer...and you will be surprised how fast your body will come back...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by batman_565

good morning everyone thanks for the advice . Second day took my 4 milligrams this morning still a little jitery but ok its better than chasing a high all day that u cant catch . I will drop to six milligrams monday per robert now im scared what i will do when i get off the subs . Im guessing yall have done the same things eating pills instead of taking care of our bodies that god gave us its realy hard to believe what we do to ourselves.guess i will worry about that fight later . I do have a question for everyone i feel like part of me hates the pills and part of me wants the high , my mind says u have done it now cant get high if u want to.

It's your drug dependence telling you that it's okay to take the pills. That's pretty obvious. Everyone goes through that. That is the reason that I always suggest getting involved in recovery while you're tapering down. It can be whatever works for you but most of us need some help staying clean once we get clean.

I recommend you check out NA, AA, Celebrate Recovery, church, a combination of or all the above. It's whatever is necessary for you to stay clean. This is the hard part of this. Anyone can get clean it's just putting a few days together without using. Staying clean in the difficult part. God bless.

[batman_565]

Thanks melinda and robert , this is my big secret my parents dont no i could not put them through this again my sister has ben to rehab twice for hydros, guess il try to use ths board for na.funny part is we were raised better than this i actually loved church till divorce then i feel apart.I no that is no excuse but thats what i did,im having almost no trouble staying clean on the subs its great just worried what will happen when i am completly clean.thanks for all the advice, i have to beat this i have tryed cold turkey but i always let the bad side win and think i can handel a few, guess what i cant.Well time to go back to work hope everyone has a good day without the pills .Tommorow i will cut down to 6 milligrams hope its as smooth as it has been so far.BY the way my name is steve the batman came from some forry little flying rats that have decided they want to live in my house also lol.

[batman_565]

Good morning everyone , ok i cut my subs to 3 milligrams this morning best i could tell 8 milligrams in half then take a forth off,kinda nervous what will happen hope it goes smooth hope everyone has a nice drug free day. well time to go to work i will check back in tonight anyone experianced in subs feel free to pass advice on.