[losingmymind8888]

do you mean more suboxins and start off at how much of one a day? thought weaning down to a quater was good, how long or about how long should she take them? than you

[Robert_325]

She needs to get stable again ... probably with a couple days, maybe three at .5mg. Then she should taper down to .375mg four days, then .25mg four days, then begin a process of skipping days that lasts two weeks. You're allowing her to be setting herself up for relapse doing what she is doing. I hope you guys reconsider and do this properly so she has a chance. I will help if you get the subs if you want me to. God bless.

[jonesgottastop]

Originally Posted by justaguyfromct2k5

Day 8 and I am feeling so much better each day now. The progress of returning to normal (pill free) seems to be greater each day now. The first few days of wd are the toughest and the progress seems slow during the first four days or so. But what a difference between day 5 and 6 and then 6 and 7, and now 8. I even made it to the gym at 5:30 a.m. this morning. My sleep is improving a little bit each day also. I guess I am fortunate not to have pills readily available to me to give into the urge. But I feel my willpower getting stronger each day also. However, I am also aware that at any moment, I could stumble unknowingly across some pills and that will be the real test.

Outdrlvr....DON'T give up. You are doing tremendous. Just remember the first 5 days of your withdrawl. Do you want to go thru that again? You are through the most difficult part. Believe me, each day that passes, you will feel that much better and stronger. Just don't give in to temptation no matter what.

Abey...I understand your predicament as I was in that situation many times. I am lucky not to have easy access to pills. Although I could call my Doc and ask for some for my back, I always felt like I was deceiving him even though the requests (most of them) were legit. I think your easy access to pills is going to be a problem until you can divorce yourself from them long enough to get clean. You have another wd battle to wage and I hope you can endure these next few days of withdrawl. But if you can hang in till Sat., will you fill the script or do you have the strength to say no? I know how the pills make us feel like super human beings and give us the energy to get thru the day and do our work, but it's all a facade. I am finding my energy returning more and more each day now and I am actually feeling pretty good. I used to go to the gym 5 days a week at 5:30am. I went maybe 5 times the last two months. Today was the first day I felt good and decided to get some exercise at the gym. I feel even better now. I don't know where you will find the strength to toss that bottle or script, but it's the only way to get clean. Easy access to more pills only means you will be doing it all over again. I don't have an answer for you. Eventually only you can decide when you have had enough. I was lucky...I lost my supplier. I hope and pray that you just find a way to beat this once and for all. Believe me, first 3 days are the toughest, afer that it gets a bit easier, and by day 7, you will be feeling so much better. Just get to day 7 somehow. For your sake and your familys. I know you can do it. Do you know you can do it?

hello to all my suffering friends.. i have learnt that even if u are using that u are suffering because the anticipation of knowing that quitting is inevitable that it causes stress, anxiety. im on day 9 today - this is my third time of putting myself threw hell in the past 5 years. again i say to myself that if i get threw it i will never go back. to give some hope though (and trust me there is hope) that after day 4 i was able to make it threw the day without agonizing back pain. i have realized that though i do have lower back pain - i have found that the stiffness that i felt all the time is gone. i believe that it was the percocets themselves that caused the stiffness. im realizing that the back pain without the stiffness is managable and i am so grateful..who knows maybe god really did hear my prayers. though im not a religious person -- all i did was cry out to god for the first 3 days..
i wish we could lock everyone in a room that is in here sharing and go threw this together and be each others support. u have all helped me so much - each one who talks. doesn't matter if it's the day one person who is so hurting or the day 60 person who is feeling good but still mentally struggling. we are in this together - we can do it. there must be a life after addiction, i haven't found it yet and am feeling that sad depressed feeling for large portions of the day but im doing it
love u all

[womanwantstobefree]

Hi all...it will be 2 yrs in Feb. When this all began, My whole family was in a very bad car accident hit by a DRUNK DRIVER. was myself , my husband , my 3 children and my dog. We all survived accept my dog. I have substained very bad injuries from this accident and had many surgeries and procedures...not done trating but i want to be DONE! I have been taking percocet through this whole process and it has taken over my my life I cant fuction without it. There are probably only a handful of people that know about my addiction but the most important ones that should know do not. I think my first step is to tell them BUT.... what advise dose anyone have through my detox. I am weaning myself now and it is so hard (crying while typing) I am so scared I still have it in my system and I feel this was ..what will it be like when I have none in my system , Im scared so very scared i shake with the thought of having none. I want to be the old me , I have come to the point that i know i will deal with the body pain the rest of my life due to my injuries and i think i am ok with that but i dont know if i can deal with life without my percocets. How long does this process take? well... how long do the w/d syptoms last and when will I feel free from this. There is so much i want to say , ask , discuss but not sure right now this is my first step I guess. Thank-you all i have read many of your blogs and you have given me strengeth to start myself to a recovery road.(I Hope)

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by womanwantstobefree

Hi all...it will be 2 yrs in Feb. When this all began, My whole family was in a very bad car accident hit by a DRUNK DRIVER. was myself , my husband , my 3 children and my dog. We all survived accept my dog. I have substained very bad injuries from this accident and had many surgeries and procedures...not done trating but i want to be DONE! I have been taking percocet through this whole process and it has taken over my my life I cant fuction without it. There are probably only a handful of people that know about my addiction but the most important ones that should know do not. I think my first step is to tell them BUT.... what advise dose anyone have through my detox. I am weaning myself now and it is so hard (crying while typing) I am so scared I still have it in my system and I feel this was ..what will it be like when I have none in my system , Im scared so very scared i shake with the thought of having none. I want to be the old me , I have come to the point that i know i will deal with the body pain the rest of my life due to my injuries and i think i am ok with that but i dont know if i can deal with life without my percocets. How long does this process take? well... how long do the w/d syptoms last and when will I feel free from this. There is so much i want to say , ask , discuss but not sure right now this is my first step I guess. Thank-you all i have read many of your blogs and you have given me strengeth to start myself to a recovery road.(I Hope)

You would get a lot more replies if you started your own thread. This is an old thread.

How many percs are you taking a day? I'm trying to determine what's the best route for you to go. I'll be waiting for your reply or a new thread.

You've come to the right place. I'll do anything I can to help you. God bless.

[melinda7.5]

Hi mom
I was on a lot of pain pills for about three years and it didn't take to long to get my life back once I got those pills out of my system...we can help you taper down and quit you could be your old self in know time...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[Robert_325]

womanwantstobefree ...... Talk to us. I'm concerned that you haven't posted back as upset as you were today. People are here that can help you.

Melinda is really great working with people on doing a taper plan off the pills. I can make some other suggestions that will help as well. There are lots of people on this forum that will participate if you will too.

We are here to help you .... just give this a shot and have confindence in yourself. Hope to hear from you by morning at least. God bless.

[womanwantstobefree]

Hi Robert,
I was lucky to figure out how to do this.... I was searching percocet addiction and found this site and seemed to be the only one that was helpful reason being i read the threads and seen there are people like me and everyone seemed so nice and helpful and its all reality diddnt want nothing sugar coated. I sat here for hours debating if i should sign up or not and my gut feeling said yes. I take anwhere from 7-12 percocet 7.5 a day NOW I asked for perc 5's and thats what i have not many left tho and will be my last script. I am so scared and i am miserable but know this is what i need to do. Someone please help me learn the way the RIGHT way!

[womanwantstobefree]

Meilinda and to all,
Any help would be greatly appreciated i have no clue how im gonna do this since this seems my only way to function and want to add i have taken any other pain killers inbetween my reg scripts as well but was the perc. 10's then the 7.5 the past year and now im on 5's but just want to take more of them but am trying to hold back scared and crying for 2 days straight now.

[melinda7.5]

HI Woman
I know it's scary I have been there, but you have been doing the right thing at least with the doctor, meaning you keep getting a less amount on your dosage...Im sorry I cant read what you said in your last post did you say you have or haven't taken pills in between your other prescriptions you'll get there I live with chronic pain also...and I manage I think a lot of people on this site do.
so have you thought about how you want to do this yet you can go c/t or taper...
so let us know what your thinking about
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[womanwantstobefree]

Hi again,
What do u suggest is the best way c/t or taper i was leaning towrds tapering but yet again not sure whats best. My body feels horrible now with the less dosage and the less pills I keep staring at the clock and saying ok 2 more hours u can do this and thats all im thinking about even when the kids are trying to talk to me Feel like its killing me. ty for writing back the support is great

[melinda7.5]

Hi Woman
well it will ultimately have to be your decision on witch way you choose...I did the taper because it was the only way I could function and get off drugs at the same time so it kind of drags it out...but if you do a taper you will have to stay positive and start talking to your brain and let the side that wants to be free from these pills take over...I know you feel like cr@p now but it is SO worth it...If you want to do a taper just let us know how many you are taking now and lets get you started
Melinda

[womanwantstobefree]

Hi Melinda,
I would like to choose the taper I agree I think it will be my best choice for myself and my family. I pick up my last script on monday Im not sure how many it it writtrn out for it will probably only be 30 perc 5s at this time used to get 120 10's then down to 120 7.5's and now the last scrip was for 30. Now I want to explain the doctors i have been seeing for the past 2 yrs are kicking me to the curb since the insurance depleted and said I need to seek new ortho's and pain managaments since I still have issues they said they will continue my treatment and medication..ok but I have decided i am only 34 yrs old and I cant go through no more surgeries I had my shoulder repaired , my latest back surgery was in July of this year which I had complications along with staff infection so needed to be reopened and cleansed for 2 weeks then needed to wait for the wound to close since i needed to start physical thereapy and my ortho said no untill its closed.. so it was a process they saved the use of my leg and my next surgery is supposed to be the big neck one had microscpic done on it and did nothing BUT... since there is no major risk to my body part I am opting not to have the surgery since I want to free myself of the doctors and the medication. Sorry for going on just wanted to explain a bit about me. prior to the accident I was an energetic mom who never stopped now I am a statue on my lazyboy my mind is not fully with my loved ones. So Yes would you please help me with the taper process I will know monday the count I have so i can give u an exact to figure how I can do this. How long does it take? How long will i feel like ********? How long till I can can be me the old me? Do I need to tell my regular doc what i plan on doing since this has been a secret I have been keeping, hiding my addiction? You have no idea how much this means to me I thank you so much!

[womanwantstobefree]

would like to choose the taper I agree I think it will be my best choice for myself and my family. I pick up my last script on monday Im not sure how many it it writtrn out for it will probably only be 30 perc 5s at this time used to get 120 10's then down to 120 7.5's and now the last scrip was for 30. Now I want to explain the doctors i have been seeing for the past 2 yrs are kicking me to the curb since the insurance depleted and said I need to seek new ortho's and pain managaments since I still have issues they said they will continue my treatment and medication..ok but I have decided i am only 34 yrs old and I cant go through no more surgeries I had my shoulder repaired , my latest back surgery was in July of this year which I had complications along with staff infection so needed to be reopened and cleansed for 2 weeks then needed to wait for the wound to close since i needed to start physical thereapy and my ortho said no untill its closed.. so it was a process they saved the use of my leg and my next surgery is supposed to be the big neck one had microscpic done on it and did nothing BUT... since there is no major risk to my body part I am opting not to have the surgery since I want to free myself of the doctors and the medication. Sorry for going on just wanted to explain a bit about me. prior to the accident I was an energetic mom who never stopped now I am a statue on my lazyboy my mind is not fully with my loved ones. So Yes would you please help me with the taper process I will know monday the count I have so i can give u an exact to figure how I can do this. How long does it take? How long will i feel like ********? How long till I can can be me the old me? Do I need to tell my regular doc what i plan on doing since this has been a secret I have been keeping, hiding my addiction? You have no idea how much this means to me I thank you so much!

[Robert_325]

womanwantstobefree ..... sounds like you've all had a pretty rough go of it. I know you'll be glad when this is all over with. Melinda will do a good job helping you with a taper. She has done more with opiate tapers than me, as I usually work more with suboxone/subutex. I think the taper would be better for you too, especially with the ongoing problems.

We are all here to help any way that we can. Take care of yourself. God bless.

[methadonfriendly826]

Originally Posted by womanwantstobefree

Hi all...it will be 2 yrs in Feb. When this all began, My whole family was in a very bad car accident hit by a DRUNK DRIVER. was myself , my husband , my 3 children and my dog. We all survived accept my dog. I have substained very bad injuries from this accident and had many surgeries and procedures...not done trating but i want to be DONE! I have been taking percocet through this whole process and it has taken over my my life I cant fuction without it. There are probably only a handful of people that know about my addiction but the most important ones that should know do not. I think my first step is to tell them BUT.... what advise dose anyone have through my detox. I am weaning myself now and it is so hard (crying while typing) I am so scared I still have it in my system and I feel this was ..what will it be like when I have none in my system , Im scared so very scared i shake with the thought of having none. I want to be the old me , I have come to the point that i know i will deal with the body pain the rest of my life due to my injuries and i think i am ok with that but i dont know if i can deal with life without my percocets. How long does this process take? well... how long do the w/d syptoms last and when will I feel free from this. There is so much i want to say , ask , discuss but not sure right now this is my first step I guess. Thank-you all i have read many of your blogs and you have given me strengeth to start myself to a recovery road.(I Hope)

Try suboxone it will work. You will literally experience no withdrawal. There is no reason to cry you will get better. We know how it is. There is no reason why you should feel any withdrawal as long as you follow the directions. Robert 325 is probably the one you want to talk to. you will get better. Keep you head up youll be fine

[Robert_325]

methadonfriendly826 .... Thanks for the recommendation. Normally I would agree with you here 100%. My concern is that she is still having a lot of serious pain issues.

Melinda is pretty good with tapers, even though they were tough on me. I found it tough tapering off RX opiates. But womanwantstobefree is still in lots of pain and that scares me a little AT THIS POINT. Maybe if things change for the better I would feel differently.

I think we should give her a little more time. Let her work through the pain issues with her remaining meds. It still may be that subs are the best way to go. I'm NOT disagreeing with you, just thinking we might be jumping the gun a little with the pain she is in at this point. I would like to give her just a little more time first I think. But you could possibly be totally correct if things turn for her positively just a little bit. God bless.

[womanwantstobefree]

Hi,
Im afraid of my pain issues as well.... But I know I will have pain the rest of my life something I will have to learn to deal with in time 14 surgeries since accident , perm. nerve damage to my left side and the neck issue that I am opting not to go fourth with no more. My back is the worst of all since my surgery in July I have had no reilef I decided to go fourth with that surgery since it was the key to saving the used of my leg. Sorry all im just so scared and since i suffer depression already with a nervous breakdown in the past will i re-live the nervous breakdown as well? I see how my body feels with the lesser dose cant imagine what it will feel like with none in my system. I feel horrible already guess thats why im scared to death and with the holidays comming makes me more afaraid what will i be like with the family? thank you all again seems you guys are all i have right now!

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by womanwantstobefree

Hi,
Im afraid of my pain issues as well.... But I know I will have pain the rest of my life something I will have to learn to deal with in time 14 surgeries since accident , perm. nerve damage to my left side and the neck issue that I am opting not to go fourth with no more. My back is the worst of all since my surgery in July I have had no reilef I decided to go fourth with that surgery since it was the key to saving the used of my leg. Sorry all im just so scared and since i suffer depression already with a nervous breakdown in the past will i re-live the nervous breakdown as well? I see how my body feels with the lesser dose cant imagine what it will feel like with none in my system. I feel horrible already guess thats why im scared to death and with the holidays comming makes me more afaraid what will i be like with the family? thank you all again seems you guys are all i have right now!

I can help you not have ANY w/d issues using subutex/suboxone. That is a fact! It's up to you regarding dealing with the pain. If you want my help with getting off the pain meds quickly (two months or so) and without having w/d check out this link. This is how I've suggested using subs on this forum for years. There are LOTS of people here that are clean today following my process for using subs. Check out the link and let me know what you think. God bless.

http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html

[womanwantstobefree]

Hi Robert,
I did read the link it sounds like something that may be an eaiser path for me , its the first iv'e heard of this. Not to sound stupid but whom do I talk to...to get the medication/doses I need do I need to tell my reg Doc (keep in mind this is a secret i have been hiding)? And do I taper or c/t before i do this. Thanks again for any help im trying so hard

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by womanwantstobefree

Hi Robert,
I did read the link it sounds like something that may be an eaiser path for me , its the first iv'e heard of this. Not to sound stupid but whom do I talk to...to get the medication/doses I need do I need to tell my reg Doc (keep in mind this is a secret i have been hiding)? And do I taper or c/t before i do this. Thanks again for any help im trying so hard

You have to get the subs from a dr who is certified to write sub prescriptions. Your family dr isn't likely sub-certified. Just my guess. You would go to www.suboxone.com and type in your zip code and the number of miles you're willing to drive to see a dr. They they'll pull up a list of all the drs within that area who can write the prescription.

Let me tell you this and I'm very serious. LOTS of sub drs have a tendency to over-prescribe the subs with too high of a dose.

The ideal situation is that you could get your prescription from the dr, tell him you want to do this at home when you're ready as you have to wait until you're in severe w/d to be inducted. I can induct you right here on the forum and I will have you on a fraction of the dose the dr will put you on but I'll have you feeling better than you've felt since high school with the exception of the pain from the accident. IF you get the subs PLEASE let me walk you through the whole thing. Just use the dr to get the meds if possible.

I promise that I know how to do this. You can read threads all over the forum from others that have done this by letting me give them instructions. I will have you totally clean (off the subs too) in about two months or so and a sub dr will typically tell you to stay on them six months to a year or longer. Helps them pay for their Mercedes Benz payment. Let me know how I can help you. God bless.

[womanwantstobefree]

Hi,
I went to the website typed in zip and there are a bunch of docs listed that are local! Not that it matters at this point but is this medication covered by insurance if not approx. how much does it cost? I will do what needs to be done reguardless as long as its in my means. Also when I contact the doctors Will I be telling the doctor this is what i want to do and explain my situation? And yes I would be honored if you can help me through this if i am able to get the subs! Thank You

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by womanwantstobefree

Hi,
I went to the website typed in zip and there are a bunch of docs listed that are local! Not that it matters at this point but is this medication covered by insurance if not approx. how much does it cost? I will do what needs to be done reguardless as long as its in my means. Also when I contact the doctors Will I be telling the doctor this is what i want to do and explain my situation? And yes I would be honored if you can help me through this if i am able to get the subs! Thank You

Yes it's covered by most insurance. Bad thing is some sub drs are basically bandits and don't accept insurance. They want cash for everything. These are the ones I was talking about avoiding like the plague.

When you make an appointment just keep this forum between us. Drs think people like me on a drug forum are idiots. That's a fact. So just keep that to yourself. Worse case is they will insist you take the first dose in the office. If that happens we'll start over as soon as you get your script and get home. Then I'll walk you through everything.

Make sure you read the part of the link I gave you closely on INDUCTION. In the middle of that section you'll see a link to the COWS (clinical opioid w/d scale) worksheet. This measures the severity of your w/d symptoms with a number. You MUST be at a 26 or higher or taking the subs will make you BAD SICK. It's called precipitated w/d. You won't believe how sick you'll get if you take them too soon. That is another reason I want to do this whole thing myself. I've NEVER put anyone into a mess like that. Not bragging but I know how to do this. I wrote that link myself when I used subs so I know how it works. Here is a link to the COWS worksheet. Check it out.

http://www.suboxone.com/pdfs/OWR.pdf

Call more than one dr and make sure you get a good dr that will work with you and not try to steal your money. Keep me posted how you're progressing with this. I promise if you do as I ask you to do and trust me you'll do this basically incident free without any problems and I'll have you clean in a couple months totally. God bless.

[melinda7.5]

Hi Woman
you made a good choice, you can do this now and just get it behind you,
I think you have been thru enough pain I ll bet you can find out a little more on Monday when you call the doctor or your insurance company...
Good luck ill be around cheering you on...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[womanwantstobefree]

Ok,
So a question that I have is... Should I call around first to figure out who I will be going to our should I go to a more taper to start more withdrawl syptoms I have just slight ones (a bit aching and jittery inside) now because i am taking less pills and a lower dose?

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by womanwantstobefree

Ok,
So a question that I have is... Should I call around first to figure out who I will be going to our should I go to a more taper to start more withdrawl syptoms I have just slight ones (a bit aching and jittery inside) now because i am taking less pills and a lower dose?

Go ahead and just get in touch with the dr you'll use first thing. It will likely take a few days to get in to see the dr. Don't worry about making your w/d worse right now. Just relax and know that everything is going to be okay.

After you talk to some drs let me know when you're going in to see him. Then we'll make our plan for getting you started.

You've just made a big decision and one that is going to pleasantly surprise you when we do this. It's a piece of cake. Keep me posted how your dr search goes. God bless.