[tara11]

Hi all,
I vanished, I am ok and still on the Subs, it is better for me to stay on for now, to much going on around me and it is all bad, so we, my doc and I today, decided I should stay on a couple more months, BUY today I saw my doc for the first time in about 2.5 months, every time he has me pee in a cup, today, Valium showed up in my urin, he has this fancy cup, with a funny cap, and it tells him if any drugs ar in my pee, I took half a valiun two days ago because I trying to stop smoking and I was so **********/grumpy etc..... so he pretty upset, I was very suprised, but any ways, how long does it take to get out of your system, I only took 1/2 maybe 3/4 two nights ago, so anyone know how long it stays in your pee, days wise ?
Thanks
Craig

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tara11

Hi all,
I vanished, I am ok and still on the Subs, it is better for me to stay on for now, to much going on around me and it is all bad, so we, my doc and I today, decided I should stay on a couple more months, BUY today I saw my doc for the first time in about 2.5 months, every time he has me pee in a cup, today, Valium showed up in my urin, he has this fancy cup, with a funny cap, and it tells him if any drugs ar in my pee, I took half a valiun two days ago because I trying to stop smoking and I was so **********/grumpy etc..... so he pretty upset, I was very suprised, but any ways, how long does it take to get out of your system, I only took 1/2 maybe 3/4 two nights ago, so anyone know how long it stays in your pee, days wise ?
Thanks
Craig

Craig ..... benzos can stay in your system for 4 days or more even after one dosage. Depends on your metabolism and other variables.

You need to watch yourself. Most sub drs will cut you off if you're taking benzos while on subs. It's very dangerous mixing those drugs together. Stick to the program. God bless.

[tara11]

Hi Robert,
Thanks, yes he got very agitated, I was suprised, but after reading a lot of stuff, now I see why, it seems to me that if I was to taper now, and I am pretty much ready after what happened, I do not want pills anymore, I just took maybe 3/4 of that Valium, but I did, and did not try to hide anything. But it seems to me, Valium or Zanax or etc.... would make it really easy to get through the withdrawal of the Suboxium, because he keeps telling me he will give me something to help me when I decide to stop taking the Sub, so what is he going to give me, Valium maybe a weeks supply, all they do is make you sleep, or is he going to give me something that makes the misery a tad more tolerable ? But my theroy was that when I decided to stop taking subs, 2 months ago, some type of mild sediative would be the ticket ? Am I wrong or correct ?

[Robert_325]

You should be tapering off the subs not doing a cold turkey. If you taper properly you won't have any need for any type of benzo.

Mixing benzos with subs can cause a drug interaction that could result in respiratory depression (you could stop breathing). Lots of sub drs drug test you and if you have any trace of any benzos in your system they won't even allow you to get a prescription for subs.

It's potentially very dangerous for you to mix these drugs. I'm not saying it will automatically kill anyone who does it. But the potential danger is real and it's there. God bless.

[tara11]

HI Robert,
I know I vanished, but I was not out doing bad things, BUT can you help me got off the sud starting today, I have been taking 8 to 12 , which with my pills is 1 1/2 each day for since May 26th, most days I take 1, big half in the morning about 6am, and the littler half about 2 to 3 in the afternoon, I will do whatever you ask, I want off and my wife said over the weekend, I thought the doctor was going to begin getting you off, so long story short, I need some guidance. I only took that Valium maybe 2 to 3 times, it was not and everyday thing, I did some reserch, and I now know why the Doc got so bent I messed up !

[Robert_325]

Reduce your total dose by 25% for the next four days and let me know how you're progressing. God bless.

[chastesin]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

You should be tapering off the subs not doing a cold turkey. If you taper properly you won't have any need for any type of benzo.

Mixing benzos with subs can cause a drug interaction that could result in respiratory depression (you could stop breathing). Lots of sub drs drug test you and if you have any trace of any benzos in your system they won't even allow you to get a prescription for subs.

It's potentially very dangerous for you to mix these drugs. I'm not saying it will automatically kill anyone who does it. But the potential danger is real and it's there. God bless.

I keep reading about the subs and benzo thing all over the place..my pain clinic doctor had me on fentanyl and my shrink has me on xanax..is this the combo your talking about that can kill?

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by chastesin

I keep reading about the subs and benzo thing all over the place..my pain clinic doctor had me on fentanyl and my shrink has me on xanax..is this the combo your talking about that can kill?

There is definitely a strong possible interaction potential between fentanyl and xanax that can cause respiratory depression (stopping breathing). You can look it up on the "drug interactions checker" at the top of this page just below the SEARCH box above. It's just to the left of the darkened COMMUNITY button above your screen name.

I won't say that respiratory depression happens to everyone but your drs need to seriously monitor you on that combination of medications and I personally would not recommend it based on my best experience. But I won't intervene saying you don't need it if your drs gave it to you knowing full well that you are taking both medications.

I hate fentanyl itself, even without the xanax. It's awful detoxing off fentanyl. But adding xanax to the picture with fentanyl can cause lots of unnecessary problems. Remember that I am not a dr and just offering my experience. Hope that helps. God bless.

[tara11]

Ok !
Thanks !
Craig

[tara11]

Hi Robert,
So today I will take only 1 full pill and 1/4 for the next 4 days, I will be out on the Ocean , so we have the internet, but I will do my best to check in on Friday, On Sat, I will lower to one full pill a day only, is this correct ?
Thanks so much !!!
Have A Great Day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tara11

Hi Robert,
So today I will take only 1 full pill and 1/4 for the next 4 days, I will be out on the Ocean , so we have the internet, but I will do my best to check in on Friday, On Sat, I will lower to one full pill a day only, is this correct ?
Thanks so much !!!
Have A Great Day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Craig .... that is okay but if you've been on 12mg for the last four days the proper drop reducing by 25% would be going to 9mg. If you go to 10mg today like you said then on Saturday you should reduce to 8mg. If you go to 9mg today then Saturday you would reduce to 7mg.

If you're working out on the ocean and want to make this easier you can do the 10mg but you shouldn't feel any w/d problems going to 9mg. Keep me posted. God bless.

[chastesin]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

I hate fentanyl itself, even without the xanax. It's awful detoxing off fentanyl. But adding xanax to the picture with fentanyl can cause lots of unnecessary problems. Remember that I am not a dr and just offering my experience. Hope that helps. God bless.

I am currently on day 7 of my fentanyl detox. I have never been so miserable in my life...not even when I was hospitalized with my first pregnancy that near killed me and the baby.

My whole body aches horribly, I can't sleep, I can hardly eat, the shakes are coming on and off which really suck and my original backpain is SCREAMING. Am I going through cravings at this point?

I really just want to sleeeeep. I was so angry that I was sleeping so much on the fentanyl..and now I'm missing it because I can't sleep at all.

I feel sorry for my poor kids and my husband (whom has to get a difibulator implant in his chest sometime next week, his injection fraction is 25% and he's already had 1 heart attack...and he's only 30!) that are doing their best to put up with me.

[Robert_325]

chastesin ..... I wish so badly that you would get some suboxone and let me induct you myself right here on the forum. I could have you totally out of w/d within two hours.

You would be feeling WONDERFUL, sleeping, you would be able to help your husband, be a joy to your kids, etc. I can't think of anyone who would be a better candidate. As long as you've been in detox you are in perfect shape to do the induction right this second.

Your w/d off fentanyl is NOT going to go away in the next couple days. It's an AWFUL detox as you can see. It literally rips the life right out of you. I'm here to help you if I can. God bless.

[tara11]

I think it is easier for me to keep it at 8 on Sat, that way it does not get confusing for me, so I will stay at 1 & 1/4 pills and on Sat I will drop to one full pill a day for 4 days, is this correct, I have a pill cutter(fyi) if I try to do 9 & 7 and so on, it will be easer for me to do as you ask, but I will drop to 8, 8 is one pill to me cut in half, half at about 6 to 7 am and the other half about 2 to 3 in the afternoon, is this ok ?
Thanks a million for taking the time to guide me through !

[chastesin]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

chastesin ..... I wish so badly that you would get some suboxone and let me induct you myself right here on the forum. I could have you totally out of w/d within two hours.

I'm here to help you if I can. God bless.

I need all the help I can get! I can't remember if it was you or Dave I posted to last, my brain is still a little foggy and I've always been naturally scatterbrained to begin with.

I don't know if I need sub, since I've already gotten through the horrible body shakes, sweating, puking, screaming crying part...now I just have the "junkie shakes" as it's called around here..I don't know the technical term obviously, but it's the shakes coming back to haunt me maybe, 3 or 4 times for a few minutes...or I get a full on body convulsion outta nowhere. But my vision is back to normal (and my original pain..blah).

I saw the chiropractor yesterday and he straightened me back out, especially my poor burning shoulderblades from the shakes.

Here's my newest problem..I went to see my family doctor and she ended up having her baby the day before I went into withdrawals. She won't be back to work until January so I saw my husband's doctor. He took one look at my chart and his eyes popped out of his head. He said the only thing he could prescribe for pain would be something I have already taken..he tried to put me back on kadian, but I refused. Then he tried to talk me into Oxy and I refused..the vicodin 750...I finally talked him down to letting me leave with a script for ambien (which I cut in half) and vicodin 525.

Now, I took half an ambien last night and slept great for 4 hours and ok for 4 so I was energized and feeling great this morning to get the family off to school and work. It's easier to deal with pain when I'm not tired.

I husband ended up comin' right back home because of his heart and I had to take him to see his cardiologist, but thats another story...

anyway..I have not taken ANY of the vicodins, or anything else for that matter, for pain. I'm too scared to take anything! It was hard enough taking the ambien and only would taking 1/2..but that's a lot better than smoking pot and taking xanax to fall asleep. Apparently I had to go to the doctor to get hooked on drugs

ok, so..I guess I don't know what to take! Here's what I am taking right now..

Morning- Amino Acid Complex, celexa, omeprozole, fish oil

Afternoon- Amino Acid Complex, celexa

Night- Amino Acid Complex, celexa, omeprozole, ambien, fish oil

Oh yeah, and I've lost 30lbs. in the past 3 weeks...is that normal? My husband's doctor wasn't concerned, but I didn't really bring it up, he had enough on his plate just looking at me!

What do I take for pain? I've been doing hot baths. My TENS unit hurts now so I can't use that...bleh.

[tara11]

We are back, I am at one full pill a day as of yesterday, And that is 8mg, so do that for the next four days and then what ? Next Wed will be the forth day .
Thanks
Craig

[Robert_325]

Craig .... after four days you'll drop to 6mg if all goes well. Keep me posted over the next few days. God bless.

[tara11]

Ok, I will do that, if I start to feel a little uncomfortable is that normal ?

[tara11]

Hi, hope you are well, this afternoon in the last hour, I feel shaky and sweaty, just started in the last hour, it seems to come and go, so I guess this will be part of the taper process, no biggy, this I can deal with if I am on the road to freedom ! Let me know if you have any advise, or just keep trucking forward, let me know ?
Thanks,
Craig

[tara11]

Hi All,
Today I feel good, it is noon 30, and I am ok, tomorrow I will cut my dose 25%, so I am sure I will be ok, and if all I am in for is some sweaty and blurred vision now and then, I am almost half way free ! Thanks all !
Craig

[tara11]

Good Morning All/Robert,
I am about to take my dose, so I need to cut it down, no problem, I know I will be ok the first part of the day, I will take the other dose about 2ish, so I will keep you posted, this coming Sunday I will need to cut it back again, so if I am right , I would be taking a total in one day of 1/2 a pill, that starts on Sunday, is this correct ? Thanks and have a great day !
Craig

[Robert_325]

I knew you would pull through the little bump in the road. Yes on Sunday you can reduce again down to 1/2 pill or 4mg. That's two 2mg doses. Hang in there and keep us posted. God bless.

[tara11]

Cool , so far so good, little sweat and so on, but nothing that bad, and my wife is all for it, so I told her if I get a little cranky, it will pass, thanks for all the support, have a great afternoon, Thank You , Robert !

[tara11]

Hi all, still moving forward, on the taper, next is to 6mg, I guess it is basically 1/2 pill in one full day, but that starts Sunday !
Thanks all
Craig

[tara11]

Just checking in, I am now feeling minor withdrawal, not all day every minute, but I can feel the bone aches, sweats head aches and just that feeling we all know so well, but it seems to come and go, tomorrow I kick it down a notch, to a 1/2 a pill in one full day, so hopefully I will be ok, I have no trouble sleeping, I seem to be sleepy, so I will check in tommorow, hopefully this is what is expected with the taper process, someone please let me know! Have a great day all
Craig

[tara11]

Hi All,
Robert is it normal to feel minor discomfort during this process, I may have got a bug, I feel a little really sick, and a little like withdrawal, in the morning tomorrow I will be cutting down to 1/4 pill in the morning and 1/4 in the afternoon, usually take about 6:30 7ish and about 2 in the afternoon, after 4 days of this what is next and all the very minor discomfort I feel, is it normal, I know there is no magic way off, and a little pain, or no gain, is all this correct ?
Thanks a million for your time !
Craig

[Robert_325]

Craig .... don't reduce again until you smooth out. Give this a couple more days, then see how you feel. If you drop again while having symptoms they will continue to follow you. Stay in touch. God bless.

[Been-there-done-that]

Hello,

Flu like symptoms are normal for cases like yours, if you dont have a fever its most likely just a part of the withdrawl.



I am not a DR either, but, well, been there done that

I wish you the best.

God Bless.

Mike

[tara11]

Cool, I am so glad it is working, I will stay at 3/4 till Tuesday, and then check in and if you give me the green light, I will drop to 1/2, but I am ok, thanks a million, I was/am at a weird place, if I take more, I have back stepped, so I stayed busy today and yesterday, it helps get through the day, but I really do not want to start over Sooooooooooooooo many thanks !! Have a great Sunday, not sure where everyone is, but maybe that what makes all this so special ! Everybody helping everybody

[tara11]

Just checking in, I am ok, Taken my doses for the day, I will check in tomorrow, Monday, and let you know how I feel, today I feel good, not worried about anything , so far so good, have a great afternoon all !
Craig