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Old 01-27-2009, 08:59 PM
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Default Anything to minimize Klonazepam cravings?

Hey, I have just stopped taking Klonazepam, been on it for years. I only took 1 at night, and it is the smallest dose there is. I lost my doctor (lawsuit to come) today by not tolerating her abuse any longer. (There are many more people she has treated this way other than me as well, NOT GOOD for her) Is there herbs or such to help me sleep better at night and not wish I just could take a klonazepam. I get leg cramps really bad, and leg pain, and no amount of Potassium, etc helps this matter. I've had advice for almost my whole life on how to get rid of leg pain and cramps and NOTHING worked except for Klonazepam and maybe Xanax but I do not wish to take xanax. Any advice on how to cope would be appreciated. Thanks-Mara.K.
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Old 01-27-2009, 09:12 PM
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Mara,
Are you taking for Restless Leg Syndrome? If so, I may be able to suggest something that helps me. Of course, I'd ask your new Dr.

-Tony
(Perc survivor 27 days)

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Old 01-27-2009, 09:18 PM
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Hey, I have just stopped taking Klonazepam, been on it for years. I only took 1 at night, and it is the smallest dose there is. I lost my doctor (lawsuit to come) today by not tolerating her abuse any longer. (There are many more people she has treated this way other than me as well, NOT GOOD for her) Is there herbs or such to help me sleep better at night and not wish I just could take a klonazepam. I get leg cramps really bad, and leg pain, and no amount of Potassium, etc helps this matter. I've had advice for almost my whole life on how to get rid of leg pain and cramps and NOTHING worked except for Klonazepam and maybe Xanax but I do not wish to take xanax. Any advice on how to cope would be appreciated. Thanks-Mara.K.
Hi Mara
The one thing when you stop taking benzo's is you need to do a slow taper off of them, how many have you been taking a day, and what mg.
Then I can help you a little more.
It really is a little dangers to just stop benzo's
Let me know
Talk to you soon ,Melinda

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Old 01-27-2009, 09:24 PM
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Have you looked into "The Point of Return Withdrawl Program?" It's specifically for W/D and side effects.

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Old 01-27-2009, 10:38 PM
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Well I only take 1 at night, it is a 1 mg. tablet. It is for general leg pain I've had all my life. I am truly not sure if it is R.L.S. because I have more pain than the other sensations in R.L.S. but maybe pain is also a sypmtom of R.L.S.??? I have tried a zillion other things over the years and what worked BEST was that 1 little klonazepam. I hopefully will find another doctor soon---- but tried today with not much luck where I live now. Have medicare and it seems no-one here is happy to take Medicare. It is a retirement community but with mostly either very high income people or people who have lived here all their lives and have had the same doctor apparently. I know it IS dangerous really BUT my doc was a real you know what --so I knew this was coming for some time now as I'm not one to tolerate such behavior for very long.!! (and her being the you know what she is, she, well it's a bit of a story but yes I've been putting up with her behavior for about 6 months now because I didn't want to go through this very scenerio, but is it worth it really? To tolerate such abuse? What is really sad is that I'm not the only one! and that is coming from one of her nurses!!!! can you believe that ********?) Anyway I will hopefully find a new doc soon but for now haven't taken a klonazepam since last Thursday or so. I have been sleeping so much ********pier and am pretty sore despite taking my 3 alloted 10 mg Vicoden and my 75 MG.elavil. Should't my body be USED to no klonazepam by now? It's been since last Thursday. There has to be some kind of herbal tea or something to help me sleep and such. Love to you all. Mara.K. Melissa we can talk on either of these posts or not sure if we can give our emails here?
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:45 PM
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Oh UsMc, You know I don't want to say I am different from people who take more benzos but I guess I thought since it was ONLY 1 pill at night I would not notice really when I quit taking them. I honestly have taking a ton more xanax in my life and long ago, I took like a 10 milligram Valium at night, (they gave me HORRIBLE migraines so would not take one of them now if you paid me) but I never felt this way, or maybe I have just forgotten. One just wouldn't think that stopping taking 1 tiny little 1 milligram pill would make a person feel so sore and ********py. (nothing compared to how I will no doubt feel should I run out of the vicoden right?) Mara.K.
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Old 01-28-2009, 12:53 AM
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mara
I have some info on benzo detox,I want you to read it I know it's long but it's very important that you read this,OK
And I wanted you to know that 10 mg valium is = 1mg klonopin or clonazepam.If you want to check out this site here it is
benzo.org.uk
I don't want to talk you into taking more pills the reason I want you to know is because,I did the same thing and it was awful, I did break some pills apart and tapered off of them a bit,If I knew then what I know now i would have done my benzo detox slower.
Let me know when you want to tackle the vic's I tapered off of those as well.

14. IS COLD TURKEY (ABRUPT, TOTAL DISCONTINUANCE OF THE DRUG) AN ACCEPTABLE METHOD OF WITHDRAWING FROM A BENZODIAZEPINE?

No. There is nearly complete uniformity of opinion both in the medical profession and in the benzodiazepine recovery community that cold turkey is a dangerous and unacceptable method of withdrawal. Cold turkey withdrawal may cause seizures, and is also associated with a higher probability of withdrawal psychosis. Seizures are almost non-existent in those employing a taper method, with the limited exception of people who have taken a benzodiazepine for a seizure disorder. Furthermore, psychosis is rare in those who taper their benzodiazepine slowly.

There is a misconception that cold turkey withdrawal, though it may cause more severe symptoms, will bring about a faster remission of symptoms. This is based on the idea that a slow taper "prolongs the agony of withdrawal." This notion is erroneous. In fact, there is some anecdotal evidence that cold turkey withdrawal may lengthen the course of the withdrawal syndrome, and may even cause the Protracted Withdrawal Syndrome.

OK, IF I AM GOING TO TAPER MY BENZODIAZEPINE, HOW SHOULD I STRUCTURE THE TAPER?

There are two very general rules, and one exception to the rule that is discussed below. The first rule is, the slower the taper, the milder the withdrawal symptoms. The second rule is, the smaller the cuts you are able to make, the milder the withdrawal symptoms. These are related, though separate, issues.

For example, you might decide to cut your dose by 1/4mg every month, or alternatively, cut your dose by 1/8mg every two weeks. Either way, you are tapering at the same rate. In this author's opinion, the second option is a far superior method of tapering. Any cut is a shock to your brain and body. Cold turkey is the largest cut of all and the shock caused by such an abrupt withdrawal is so severe that even after resumption of your drug at the previous dose, it may take weeks or months to "stabilise", and in some cases, you may never stabilise from a cold turkey withdrawal until after you have completed your taper.

This logic further extends to the size of your cuts. The smaller the cuts you make, the less the shock to your system, and the less pronounced the withdrawal symptoms triggered by the cut. It is not recommended that any individual cut represent more than 10% of your total dose at a given time. Thus, it is preferable to make smaller and smaller cuts as you go, though this can be very difficult as you approach the end of your taper.

Always make the smallest cuts possible. That means taking the smallest dose size available and splitting it into 4 pieces, which can be done easily with or without a razor blade or pill-cutter. For example, with Valium, you can split the smallest (2mg) tablet into 4x0.5 mg pieces. With Klonopin, you can split the smallest (0.5mg) tablet into 4 pieces of 0.125 or 1/8th mg. If you are on a high dose and feel that you are able to taper rapidly at first because you are above your tolerance point (see above), space your cuts close together (no closer than 1 cut every 3 days), but make the smallest cuts possible. If or when you begin to feel withdrawal symptoms, you can start to space your cuts further apart (up to about 4 weeks). Generally, the higher potency benzodiazepines such as Xanax, Klonopin, and Ativan force you to make larger cuts , and therefore you must space your cuts at least 3 weeks apart toward the end of your taper. Of course, even where you are able to make very small cuts with lower potency benzodiazepines such as Valium, you can make these small cuts relatively far apart if this is your most comfortable method of withdrawal.

25. WHAT ABOUT HERBS AND OTHER HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES - DO ANY OF THOSE HELP THE WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS?

Maybe. Everyone's experience is different. Acupuncture, massage therapy, and chiropractic have been commented on, but there is little conclusive data as to their effectiveness in relieving withdrawal symptoms. As for herbal remedies, all of the following have been mentioned as occasionally helpful to one person or another: Valerian, Kava Kava, St. John's Wort, 5htp, SAMe, Melatonin, GABA, Chamomile, and Rescue Remedy***.

OK if you made it this far you did good,so how many pills do you have left before you run out.
If this is to much info let me know and I will try to break it down for you.

Talk to you soon, Melinda
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Old 01-28-2009, 01:38 AM
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Is there a way to save these 2 posts somewhere so when I'm using my phone, I have access here? There are times when it is alot easier to just use my phone rather than the internet and my phone, although it is "smart phone" isn't so smart sometimes. :-) There are times when it is more conveniant to just use my phone. O.K. Melissa, I have not taken a klonazepam since last Thursday, that's when I ran out. I FINALLY was able to get her on the phone today and she was rude (as well as QUITE INCORRECT) so like I said, I'm just done with this b word doctor being rude, soooo I told her off and corrected her (because she WAS incorrect) @ she did NOT like it. I am not getting a refill from her. LOL I do feel pretty yucky but I honestly think most of it has to do more with the fact that I have, in the past few days, taken extra elavil to try and sleep better. Thanks for advice, it is greatly appreciated. Mara.K

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Old 01-29-2009, 01:39 AM
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Lightbulb Definately reccomend supplements and herbs!

I would definately recommend the GABA supplementation, as GABA is what the benzodiazepenes increase in the brain. When you take away the Klonopin, your body has to learn how to make GABA on it's own again along with other things, hence the w/d symptoms. Valerian Root is another great option. It is the compound that Valium is derived from, without the addictive properties. The reason it is not used by the pharmaceutical companies is because it is an herb and cannot be patented, furthermore what good is a medication to a company that is not addictive? Catch my drift? Kava Kava is another good option, promotes great relaxation. Watch your dosing on that though, can be hard on the liver. 5-HTP is the precursor to seratonin, and can be very helpful with sleep. Quitting benzo's can wreak havoc on your sleeping pattern. If only they told us "You'll sleep when you take it, but when you don't take it you won't sleep for two weeks", we might reconsider the RX! W/D symptoms from benzo's can last up to a month, sometimes longer. I quit Klonopin and Xanax cold turkey due to pregnancy. What a trip! Good luck.
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