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Old 04-03-2009, 04:22 PM
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Hi guys, Im new here. A friend of mine actually suggested I come here and talk to some of you guys. He said you helped him out alot. So anyway, here I am!
So the question I have is.... As of right now I have a pretty decent heroin habit. I am using about 2 grams to 2.5 grams of heroin every day and it has been going on for way too long. I was able to get ahold of a pretty substantial amount of suboxone and was wondering the steps I should take to get onto the suboxone. I have asked around to some of the friends I have that have gotten clean and I am getting mixed answers. Like I said though, I was pointed in your direction so I am so hoping someone here can help

-Stan
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:28 PM
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Hi guys, Im new here. A friend of mine actually suggested I come here and talk to some of you guys. He said you helped him out alot. So anyway, here I am!
So the question I have is.... As of right now I have a pretty decent heroin habit. I am using about 2 grams to 2.5 grams of heroin every day and it has been going on for way too long. I was able to get ahold of a pretty substantial amount of suboxone and was wondering the steps I should take to get onto the suboxone. I have asked around to some of the friends I have that have gotten clean and I am getting mixed answers. Like I said though, I was pointed in your direction so I am so hoping someone here can help

-Stan



Hi Stan ... I can help you. Go to the following link first and read how I suggest doing this.

Everyone is different and we do this based on your symptoms. Check this out and let me know when you want to begin with the induction.

Pull up the COWS worksheet in the INDUCTION section of the link. It will explain about what you need to do prior to induction. God bless.

http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:54 PM
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Hi Robert, Thanks for responding and doing so so quickly. I was suprised to see a reply so fast I read the post that you told me to and that all makes sense. I have a couple of questions though. I guess I am just trying to weed through all of the nonsense I have heard from other people. Like I said, I am using at least 2grams of heroin a day if not more. I am using tar heroin as well. I have heard that things can differ from using white heroin to using tar. Is that correct? I have also heard the half life can be anywhere from 24hrs to 48hrs depending on who you talk to. Do you know what it actually is? The only other question I have after reading what you gave me is how long does it usually take in order for me to be ready to take my first dose of suboxone? Thanks again

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Old 04-03-2009, 06:22 PM
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I've worked with several people coming off heroin using suboxone. I'm from Texas and lots of them have been with tar. I honestly can't tell you lots of difference with white vs tar as far as how suboxone would differ with them. In my experience I would say that the tar is probably a little more of a challenge depending on the quality of what you're using obviously.

I can tell you that if you follow the COWS worksheet exactly for determining that your level of w/d is at least an accumulative score of 26 or more that is a foolproof method of knowing you're ready to begin induction without fear of precipitated w/d. You don't want precipitated w/d I promise you.

I'm guessing based only on what you've said here that you're probably looking at a couple days, possibly a little sooner to be in significant w/d. It's impossible to give you an exact amount of time as that is what makes it different on this forum. We don't do that. We move forward when you have the appropriate symptoms and everyone really is different. It shouldn't be a one-size-fits-all deal. Some people stabilize during induction at 6mg while others take 12mg. Just have to wait and see how the induction works out.

Just follow the guideline on the COWS worksheet and you'll have nothing to worry about. I can walk you right through this. Coming primarily off tar it will actually take us a process of four days to do the induction the way I do it. The first day will be the most intense beginning while you are so sick. But I will have you TOTALLY out of w/d the very first day within hours. That is a guarantee. We determine your lowest effective dose so you do this at the smallest possible dose and don't make the mistake of taking 24mg or some nonsense like lots of people get lured into at the dr. All of this is done over the 2nd - 4th days after you are totally stabilized on the first day. It's really not a big deal once you're stabilized. God bless.
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Old 04-03-2009, 06:38 PM
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So I am looking at possibly 48hrs before being able to take the suboxone? I can deal with that I have tried several times to cold turkey this habit and each time I make it 4-6 days and end up back at the dope man's place.
One other question... I dont know if this is a question you can answer but what is the least amount of time that I would HAVE to stay on the suboxone? In other words what is the recommended amount of time to stay on suboxone? I have been using heroin regularly for over 5 years now and I would absolutely love to not have to put anything in my body ever again. Of course I dont want to rush things and put myself in a situation where I relapse but I would love to be done with it all as soon as possible. Im sure you understand that feeling...
So besides that I am looking at doing this around the 13th of this month. The kids are going to be staying with their grandparents during that time so I think that would be the best. Its so hard to be sick and have kids runnin around playin and being loud and stuff... So yeah, lookin forward to getting it over with. Thanks again for the help
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Old 04-03-2009, 06:43 PM
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You should do this for six to eight weeks, possibly a little longer but not much. I believe in using this to get past the original detox, give your brain a little time to heal and then get off everything. Very few people need this on a maintenance basis. I used 35 years and I was off subs and everything in right at two months and had no w/d. The system I used is what I recommend here for others. The different opiates are all interchangeable. Subs work for any opiate if done right. It will be fine, just relax. God bless.
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Old 04-09-2009, 12:02 PM
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Hi Stan ... I can help you. Go to the following link first and read how I suggest doing this.

Everyone is different and we do this based on your symptoms. Check this out and let me know when you want to begin with the induction.

Pull up the COWS worksheet in the INDUCTION section of the link. It will explain about what you need to do prior to induction. God bless.

http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html
i hope this may help you hun as well, good luck.....

http://www.naabt.org/education/bupre..._treatment.cfm
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