[tkclary]

Hi There.
I have been taking Norco for many years now...legally with a Dr's prescription. I have bad knee problems , yada yada yada.
I am prescribed 4 norco per day, dosed two at a time twice daily. Now I what I take is a bit more.....about 5-6 a day. Not too bad from what I've read here on this site. I am out earlier than usual this time due to a few sticky fingers of some so called friends. I cannot get more and until Friday and I will be out on Tuesday. I happen to have (10) suboxone that someone gave me a year ago and I have held on to for some reason. I know it is a strong synthetic opiate. Stronger than what I am used to with only the norco's. Here's the question finally .... can I take the suboxone, short term, to get me through until Friday when my regular prescription is ready? I know that this is not recommended and that I am not following the straight and narrow with this but someone has to have the answer regardless of approval or not.

A bit of help please. Naturally I will end up trying this myself anyway ... I would love some advice first

T

[Cats Meow]

You can, but you need to get a handle on your use, why take more when you know you're going to run out early? You shouldn't depend on this as a crutch.

Wait before you take the Sub for as long as possible, you may as well take this time to lower your tolerance as well, you have to be in precipitated w/d for it to work anyway. Then you need to take only 2mgs, then wait an hour or two, if you still feel bad take another 2mgs, 4mgs should be all you need, don't expect any euphoria or keep taking more looking for a buzz. Since you only take 4-6 Norco's per day you shouldn't need any more then 4mgs until the next day, then take the same amount. Now remember Suboxone has a 37 hour half life, once you get your Norco Rx you'll have to wait at least that long after your last Sub to wear off before you can take it, otherwise it just isn't going to work.

SubO is a lot stronger then Norco, if you take too much and mess yourself up, don't blame me, I think you deserve some days of w/d's as a lesson not to take too many pills.

[tkclary]

Cats Meow ?

I was under the belief that precipitated withdrawl was brought on when a heavy opiate user takes Suboxone before he/she is in full withdrawl from the opiates. Now I thought this was for serious opiate users like with heroin, morphine, oxy, etc.... The way I understand it is that because I have a small amount of hydro in my system the Sub's will work , but if I had a lot more hydro in my system than I normally take ... that is when the rapid wd's would happen .

Any thoughts?
Yeah, I know I need to take a bit less. I've been on these for 8 years with a Dr.s supervision and have not gone half as crazy with the abuse as some on this site .... so this is just a crutch.

T

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tkclary

Cats Meow ?

I was under the belief that precipitated withdrawl was brought on when a heavy opiate user takes Suboxone before he/she is in full withdrawl from the opiates. Now I thought this was for serious opiate users like with heroin, morphine, oxy, etc.... The way I understand it is that because I have a small amount of hydro in my system the Sub's will work , but if I had a lot more hydro in my system than I normally take ... that is when the rapid wd's would happen .

Any thoughts?
Yeah, I know I need to take a bit less. I've been on these for 8 years with a Dr.s supervision and have not gone half as crazy with the abuse as some on this site .... so this is just a crutch.

T

Cats is correct about the precipitated w/d. Using subs to get through a tough week is really not that great of an idea even though it makes sense when you first think about it. When you consider the induction must be done when you begin or you face having worse w/d symptoms than you would have had if you had taken nothing it's not such a great solution to your dilemma.

When you're talking about the heroin or IV drug users you're referring to the reaction you have to the naloxone in the suboxone. But the person starting out on subs needs to be in severe enough w/d to score a 26 minimum on the COWS worksheet drs use with patients in rehabs.

Go to the following link I wrote in Featured Drugs about subs. It will answer lots of your questions and has a link to the COWS worksheet I made reference to. You might consider just going with the subs and making a life change. Just a thought. God bless.

http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html

[OpiateAddictLA]

Robert, I am a bit confused. You said cats meow was correct about precipitated withdrawals, but what she said was that you needed to be in preciptated withdrawal in order for suboxone to work.. I'm guessing cats meow meant you needed to be in regular withdrawl or you would go into preciptated withdrawal. I believe that's why the person who posted the question was confused. Did you just misread cats meow post? It seems you confirming cats meow statement would just confuse this person further...just trying to clarify.Also in my opinion as to the posters question.. Taking suboxone in this situation could just be counterproductive although it might seem useful right now like Robert said..but it may end up raising your tolerance if the suboxone dose wasn't low enough and may end up raising your tolerance considering the hydro dose is fairly low... Also, you would be needing to wait atleast 24 hours before the suboxone and possibly 48 after before switching back to hydro so it's really just alot of trouble to go through to avoid a few days of withdrawal. I would tough it out and allow your tolerance to lower naturally while your at it until you fill your script. It may seem tough but at that dose of hydro it shouldn't be too bad.

[Robert_325]

Looks like it was misread and written too quickly. Cats has written lots of posts and undoubtedly meant to say severe w/d prior to induction. God bless.

[RubyDean]

clary, if you really think about it, you only are dealing with a few days. wednesday you should still feel okay, and then thursday could be rough, but managable, and then you get a refill on friday. i would stick it out. taking suboxone would help you out in a pinch, but depending on how much you do take, come friday when you do take your norco, you most likely wont feel much because the sub will block it to some degree. if you do take a sub, you should only take it thurs. and only take a very small amount, like 2mg. ultimately you should consider the big picture, and if you are getting scripts for legit reasons, take them as perscribed, and stay away from sticky fingers. sooner or later you could end up back here with some of us junky's wondering what the hell happened. peace.