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    Seems like your'e doing great. I'm impressed with your success after you used for so long. After all that time it's not unusual to have a few minor symptoms like you describe in the morning. Just stick it out. Staying at 2mg sounds fine. It isn't a race. Having a good weekend is positive. You really shouldn't need much as supplements go but you could use L-Tyrosine (500mg caps) with vitamin B-6. God bless.
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    Thanks Robert I appreciate the kind words, it's this along with the black and white life I have been living for the past 6 years. I want to see in color again metaphorically speaking of course. But this is an exciting time because I really believe in myself I will do this. About a month ago I had a serious panic attack thinking that I will be on this stuff for the rest of my life and I keep thinking of that horrible time and this memory motivates me to no end. So I will stay on the 2mg for 8 days or so, and this is ok right? just confirming. Also I think instead of darvocet I will taper to .125mg and do the day skips as mentioned. But this is a little while off from now so I will keep focused on the present. I am feeling ok and hope to god I keep feeling ok as I taper off. Anyway I will keep you posted and as always God bless and keep the faith. One other thing I think when I finally get off this junk I will change my username "subboxxer" to something else because I won't have to "fight" this off as the name implies anymore. Kind regards, subboxxer
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    Hi Robert and all, This is just a keep alive note. Staying on 2mg still after a nice beach vacation with my Son. Will keep you posted as I progress to the next level in a couple days.

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    Since I have tinnitus (ringing in ear) my MD gave me xanax knowing I am on Bupe. Now I hear all the deadly stories of combining these drugs. I never take them together (hours apart) and never get into a "nodd" from taking them. Is this as deadly as they say on the internet? Or is our right abuse like injecting the two together to get high off of the killer reason? Right now I am on 2mg subutex and 1mg - 1.5mg of xanax. Is this going to KILL me?

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    Hi Suboxxer! I have a question. Why would your doctor give you xanax for ringing in the ears? Im just curious. Thanks!!

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    I have tinnitus constant (EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE) in the ear that never stops and can and does feel claustrophobic and panic attacks because it never goes away and there is NO cure for it. Forget about sleeping and just living during the day with this condition. The xanax helps deal with it and the residual effect helps one sleep.

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    that makes sense. So is the ringing of the ears more of a panic attack symptom??

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    No, please google Tinnitus.

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    Default xanax and subutex

    Hi Robert, What do you think I should do? I have xanax perscribed by my MD along with subutex but to be honest he is a typical shady bupe doctor (just being honest). I have tinnitus which is a ringing in the ear which started when taking NSAID's with my sciatica issue last month. No I am not falling apart my back feels fiine now, it's just the tinnitus that rings and rings and I can't get any sleep. And during the day it drives me NUTS. I am on 2mg of subutex and 1 - 1.5 mg of xanax. I know xanax has a quick half life so I don't take it near bed time to let it run it's course. I don't want to end up DEAD that's for sure. What should I do? I did read the thread on subutex and xanax but it went in tangents and did not really address the issue I think. Please let me know what is best to do.

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    sorry doc.rose I didn't mean to be obnoxious by telling you to google tinnitus it's just that I am going through some tough times now. Tinnitus for me is a ringing in the ear and it never stops. Panic attacks can result from the ringing in the ear as you can probably imagine. There is no cure for it and I am stuck in a BAD place with my meds right now and I am scared to death, literally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subboxxer View Post
    Hi Robert, What do you think I should do? I have xanax perscribed by my MD along with subutex but to be honest he is a typical shady bupe doctor (just being honest). I have tinnitus which is a ringing in the ear which started when taking NSAID's with my sciatica issue last month. No I am not falling apart my back feels fiine now, it's just the tinnitus that rings and rings and I can't get any sleep. And during the day it drives me NUTS. I am on 2mg of subutex and 1 - 1.5 mg of xanax. I know xanax has a quick half life so I don't take it near bed time to let it run it's course. I don't want to end up DEAD that's for sure. What should I do? I did read the thread on subutex and xanax but it went in tangents and did not really address the issue I think. Please let me know what is best to do.



    I doubt that you'll die from taking it. I looked on another medical site and the suggestion was to see an ear, nose and throat specialist that could try and fix the problem. I can see how it would drive you nuts with that ringing. It's not that uncommon.

    This sub guy sounds like he's just a drug prescriber rather than a real specialist in this area. You don't fix tinnitus with xanax.

    I would recommend you see a dr who specializes in that area of medicine and try to fix the problem immediately. If you need the xanax for a week or so until you get to the dr that probably isn't critical but people need to try to fix medical problems rather than taking a drug that just makes us feel better. That doesn't fix anything and puts you on another addictive substance. Hope that helps. God bless.
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    Default Tinnitus - What I know now - Subutex & Xanax

    Thanks Robert, I also went to an ENT and he referred me to a neurologist to get a deeper understanding or diagnosis of the cause. Xanax is used initially because when this problem comes up at first it is a tough psychological issue to deal with. I believe after talking with a lot of people that my brain will eventually shut off the ringing and I will be able to deal with it better. It is for the initial issue of anxiety upon first getting the symptoms that xanax is for. This is a temporary medication to help deal with it, Afterwards, say in a few weeks no more xanax. I do seperate the meds and NEVER take them together and wait at least 4 hours after taking xanax to hit the hay. So, I do not, and will not, take them together nor will I go to bed before waiting minimum 4 hours or more after taking xanax or sub. I wonder if taking clonidine or seroquel would be better in my case? Do you think these are safer to take with my current sub taper with xanax?

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    Sorry that you are having a hard time. Did you have this ringing in the ears before you started using suboxone or other opiates.I experienced constant ringing in my ears while using sub too. Like Robert said,its a common side effect with sub therapy and will subside after you completely taper off.It may sound weird but my ringing got worse as I tapered off ,but once off it simply went away.Do not use headphones or ear buds to listen to music or anything right now.This can make the ringing worse.Good luck to you.

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    musicman is correct. It can be a side effect of the subs that will dissipate..
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    No I did not experience ringing before subs but I was on them for 6 years!! And this just started happening a couple weeks ago. As I taper it is getting worse so that is consistant with what you say. I hope this is the case. Although I love music and one thing everyone loves to listen to when detoxing opiates is music it is almost universal. I have not used head phones taken NSAID's or anything to aggrivate the situation. This gives me great hope and encouragement to continue tapering down as I am doing. Thanks for sharing your experience with me I am getting high naturally by reading it over and over. And Robert thank you for your help you have done a great deal of good to me and I know I will get my life back with your help (along with others) but you have been instrumental in guiding me along.

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    Default Bupe Headache Question & Delivery System

    Hi Robert - Q. I used to get the dreded Bupe Headache when my dosage was up. And I got one every weekend and couldn't find out why. As I dosed down I don't get them as much. Also I have discovered something pretty disgusting when snorting (which I stopped completely happily) well as one sleeps that junk filler gump they use in the pill gets in ones sinuses travels down the sinus canal and deposits on the tongue if this gump is not scraped and brushed off the tongue for some reason a terrible headache commences. I used to use a netti-pot every day before bed to wash out the gump filler but that even doesn't work too well. Sure glad I don't snort any more I can actually smell and taste things again! I love to dine in restaurants and was never able to taste the food (what a waste). But now all back to normal. A word of advise which is quite obvious anyway do not snort subutex/suboxone it messes up your sinuses and took mine a month to bet back to a level I can again sense smell and taste. But do you know what really causes the dreded bupe headache? You must know what I mean, yes? Also, snorting caused me to double my dose and I don't know why that happened either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subboxxer View Post
    Hi Robert - Q. I used to get the dreded Bupe Headache when my dosage was up. And I got one every weekend and couldn't find out why. As I dosed down I don't get them as much. Also I have discovered something pretty disgusting when snorting (which I stopped completely happily) well as one sleeps that junk filler gump they use in the pill gets in ones sinuses travels down the sinus canal and deposits on the tongue if this gump is not scraped and brushed off the tongue for some reason a terrible headache commences. I used to use a netti-pot every day before bed to wash out the gump filler but that even doesn't work too well. Sure glad I don't snort any more I can actually smell and taste things again! I love to dine in restaurants and was never able to taste the food (what a waste). But now all back to normal. A word of advise which is quite obvious anyway do not snort subutex/suboxone it messes up your sinuses and took mine a month to bet back to a level I can again sense smell and taste. But do you know what really causes the dreded bupe headache? You must know what I mean, yes? Also, snorting caused me to double my dose and I don't know why that happened either.




    subboxxer ........ I know that you're not taking a high dose of suboxone anymore as that often causes a headache when the dose is too high. Some people get headaches as a regular adverse reaction the naloxone in the suboxone. Of course anytime you put something in your nose that you're not suppossed to you're asking for a headache. And then some people unfortunately just get an annoying headache when they take suboxone.

    It's usually not all THAT bad, but a headache is a headache. For the last type of headache I've always recommended "Excedrin Migraine"and it knocks them out in a heartbeat. They really work well. I would try it and see if it works for you Almost everyone I've suggested it to has had positive results with it unless they really had a bonafide clinical migraine. Then I usually recommend Zomig. It's a little pricey, but it will knock out a bad migraine headache quickly (like within minutes) almost every time.

    I'm glad that you stopped snorting those goofy things. The naloxone itself is there to purposely cause us adverse reactions to either snorting or IV use of suboxone. Plus no one needs to be snorthing subs or anything else anyway. It's just not a smart thing to do which you know better. Hope that helps. God bless.
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    Default Thanks for post,..I needed a laugh.

    I love people that talk about sobriety in one breath, and taking Suboxone/Subutex in the next. When I quit a 7yr. roxy30 addiction...ofcourse, I wanted the EASY way out and spoke to my Doctor, and did research about this. It wasn't for me. Why would I want to take pills to stop taking pills?!. I know how they work, I mean, yeah- you don't have withdrawl, but guess what? Withdrawl is only bad for one week, not a couple of years people!!..lol..I might not have any energy, but the sickness is over..You have to be weened off these drugs..after years of use I've heard from anyone taking it....people are just trading one for another. I am sober today!...and have been without taking anything. If it stopped your opiate addiction, good for you. Good luck gettin off the sub. now.
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    thats all well and good for you shoo, and good on ya for gettin and stayin clean, but there are plenty of us out there who used for over 20 years, and sometimes it takes longer,
    everyone is different, so ya shouldnt be takin the piss outa people.

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    I'm happy for you sh009 but you have NO IDEA of my history with drug addiction, If I was not on subutex I would be in jail because getting oxy's or >>>>>> (same thing) off the street is illegal and you will get caught eventually. I had to stay on a legal substance to get my life back on track. Constantly for years and years I would detox 500mg of oxys or a LOT of >>>>>> cold turkey (and it doesn't last a week by the way) after kicking over and over it get's way worse and I would go back every time to an opiate when I was finally able to crawl out of bed from being sick. As they say some people are sicker than others when it comes to addiction - there are levels of severity - no question about it. So trading one substance for another makes sense for me and not for you. I'd say you are very lucky you didn't go back to opiates after kicking the first time but unfortunately that did not happen to me. In fact if I was not an addict and clean I doubt very much I would be posting on this site. There would me a million other things I would rather do.

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    subboxxer ....... Just ignore him. He has 30 days clean and thinks he knows everything. Don't worry yourself with that nonsense. He needs a laugh? lol God bless.
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    Shoo, being so judgmental is not a good thing to be. Talk to us in another 30 days or 60 days. God willing, you will still be clean. I truly hope so for you. But we all have different needs. Your habit lasted 7 years? Well, mine lasted over 40. People are different and have different needs. If one can do c/t and stay clean, more power to them. We all are not as lucky but it's really negativity, coming on here and criticizing someone for taking a drug that keeps them from doinjg illegal things, possibly OD'ing or whatever. Good for you so far but please don't tell someone your way is the only "right" way when it's just not possible for some.
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    What I forgot to add is to subboxer.... You're doing great... Keep up the good work !! And to add my 2 cents about the xanax - it is definitely a worthwhile drug, needed for certain reasons by certain people. Just be aware that the addiction to benzos can be worse even than opiates. So just make sure you don't take them for a long time and you will be fine.

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    Default ......and talking about addiction

    Thanks everyone I appreciate your helping me when I am at such a critical stage. One reminder that came about was not only is subutex keeping me out of jail it also saved my life I know with out a doubt that I would have been dead by now from an over dose or accident or even murdered. This is the reality that many addicts have to deal with on a daily basis, a terrible end to their pricess lives.

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    Thumbs down Shoo

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    Default sub taper dilemma

    I am at 2mg a day and feel fine for over a week 1mg in morning and 1mg 8 hours later. Actually I even feel high off it when I dose at this level but I am stuck and am not tapering down by 25% after over a week on this dose now. I feel that I need to be honest with everyone and want you all to know where I am right now. I don't go to NA or AA because I can't stand to hear everyone complaining for an hour and a half it doesn't help me. We all have problems and it seems that at these meetings people try to trump one another about how bad everything is. And, the meetings are very clique oriented and political so it ain't fo me. Since I have been on subs for 6 years I have isolated myself and don't really keep in contact with friends (who are all addicts anyway) so I don't really have anyone to talk to about it. This board is very helpful and I am grateful for everyone that has been helping me especially Robert along with new york gal, & cheeky you guys mean a lot to me I'll tell ya'. Today I crushed a 2mg and divided it into 8 parts .25mg and packaged it in little papaer envelopes so I can dose down accuartely. I'm going to give it a go at 1.75mg when I get the gusto to do it. This is not good and any insight will be appreciated.

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    Default New Thread I created called - Long Term Buprenorphine Use & Taper

    I think it will be helpful for me to start my own thread called - Long Term Buprenorphine Use & Taper - on this I will focus on what it is like to taper off using Robert_325 method which I am a firm believer in and am grateful for the huge amount of good it has and is doing for people all over the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subboxxer View Post
    I am at 2mg a day and feel fine for over a week 1mg in morning and 1mg 8 hours later. Actually I even feel high off it when I dose at this level but I am stuck and am not tapering down by 25% after over a week on this dose now. I feel that I need to be honest with everyone and want you all to know where I am right now. I don't go to NA or AA because I can't stand to hear everyone complaining for an hour and a half it doesn't help me. We all have problems and it seems that at these meetings people try to trump one another about how bad everything is. And, the meetings are very clique oriented and political so it ain't fo me. Since I have been on subs for 6 years I have isolated myself and don't really keep in contact with friends (who are all addicts anyway) so I don't really have anyone to talk to about it. This board is very helpful and I am grateful for everyone that has been helping me especially Robert along with new york gal, & cheeky you guys mean a lot to me I'll tell ya'. Today I crushed a 2mg and divided it into 8 parts .25mg and packaged it in little papaer envelopes so I can dose down accuartely. I'm going to give it a go at 1.75mg when I get the gusto to do it. This is not good and any insight will be appreciated.


    subboxxer ..... don't freak out! Go to 1.5mg and if an emergency comes up you've always got a sliver at your disposal. That's a great thing about subs. But man they can cause problems if you stay too long at that dose. Trust me dude! Give it a go at 1.5mg. God bless.
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    Hi Robert - Ok I'm giving it a go at 1.5mg. Since I do feel a high off the 1mg BID (total 2mg) that is shear indication that I can go lower. But technically 1.75mg is the next 25% drop but I will go with what you say at 1.5mg and as you indicated I will take the .25mg if needed. This sounds good to me. Thanks and God Bless.

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    Default Correction to Dosage

    Robert I need to tell you that I have been on 2.5mg for the last week or so not 2mg like I told you. I screwed up telling you because I had left over crushed up subutex packaged and did not assess the amount accuaretly I had .5mg packets and thought they were .25mg so I am taking .5mg more than I told you. I am sorry about this it was an honest mistake. So should I go on 2mg now for 4 days then 1.5mg on the fifth day? I ony took 1mg today for fact because I used a pill splitter. I am just being honest with you as I promised. I got rid of the crushed packets (pitched in the garbage) and will use my pill splitter for the 2mg so no mistakes. So far I have made a lot of progress coming down from originally 8mg in late July to now so this is good progress but I know I have to be totally honest with myself and you to get off this junk so that's what I'm doing.

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