[DaveSmith]

Thanks, I actually got some sleep last night. Feel better this morning than any morning since I quit taking oxy (20-24 a day) altogether 6 days ago now. I'm on my 7th day. The problem I'm using vicodin and have tapered down to 7 pills until yesterday I took 8. But, I feel good today and am going to try to only take 6 today. I'm going to order some Kratom and try not taking any vicodin at all just so I get don't get hooked on vicodin. Then I'm hoping after a few days on Kratom to just cold turkey before I start craving Kratom if that were to happen. I feel like I'm starting to see some light here. Hasn't been easy for sure. Thanks again for all your help. I'll keep you informed

[DaveSmith]

XTERM, one other thing. How would I measure out a gram of Kratom. I sure don't want to take too much of this stuff. I did make an order. Is a gram about a teaspoon?

[xTerm]

Yea, a teaspoon is about one gram more or less.
I would put a teaspoon into a jar of cranberry juice, put the lid on and shake it up.
The powder doesnt like to mix very well and tastes very bad.. cranberry juice only slightly masks the taste and bitterness.

Also, im serious about not taking this for any longer than it takes to help with your oxy problem.
I got to the point where I was using about an oz of kratom a day and stopping it does cause w/d's, at least for me it did.
They arent as severe as hydro but it lasted a lot longer.

gl

[DaveSmith]

Thanks, believe me I want it only for one purpose....to get off oxy. I actually haven't had any oxy going on the 7th day now. I'm using vicodin to taper and looks like I'll only be taking 6 of them today. Problem is I'm running out of them so will need Kratom to kick this thing. Thanks again

[DaveSmith]

Just wanted to let you know where i was at. Tomorrow I'm cutting back to 6 a day. I seem stable enough on the 7-8 I've been taking. May even go to 5. I ordered some of that Kratom cause I'll run out of vics soon

[melinda7.5]

How many vic's do you have left ???
when I got down to 2 5mg vic's I quit and it wasn't that bad...

[DaveSmith]

only 20 so maybe I need to cut them in half. They are 7.5's
I went from 24 oxy (1 & 1/2 yrs) to 7 vicodin in 7 days. So it's still been pretty rough.
did you detox that quick???? How many days did you take the 2 5mg before you quit?

[melinda7.5]

Hi Dave
I was getting pretty excited toward the end... I was dropping at least a pill a day at the end...
My taper was kind of a long drawn out thing... I was taking oxycontin and chewing them up...
So I stared out on my taper with vic's at 20 10mg a day...I had also just quit klonopin and soma too...

By the time I was where you are...I was pumped up I knew it was just a matter of time...
Only take the bare minimum that you can get by on.
I did taper fast toward the end...you can see the light...and I wanted it...
Let me know how it goes tomorrow for you I'm getting excited for you...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[DaveSmith]

Xterm,
I really don't have anyway to measure so I just want to be sure. I want to try this just about 4-5 days when I cold turkey. So a teaspoon is about 1 gram? Heaping or level? How many times a day do you suggest?
Thanks

[xTerm]

Originally Posted by xTerm

Yea, a teaspoon is about one gram more or less.
I would put a teaspoon into a jar of cranberry juice, put the lid on and shake it up.
The powder doesnt like to mix very well and tastes very bad.. cranberry juice only slightly masks the taste and bitterness.

gl

See above quote on the amount that I posted the other night..

As for the frequency, it seemed that it only lasted about three hours for me, then I would take another tea spoon of it.
I would only take it when you felt really uncomfortable and then right before bed time, it was a pain to take a dose after waking up in the middle of the night.
How much did you buy?

[DaveSmith]

I bought 2 ounces of it but I have already tapered from 24 5 mg. oxy a day to 7 Hydrocodone 7.5.
Thanks,

[Businessman1]

Dave please can you let me know if Kratom helped you?

[xTerm]

Originally Posted by DaveSmith

I bought 2 ounces of it but I have already tapered from 24 5 mg. oxy a day to 7 Hydrocodone 7.5.
Thanks,

I think that you will find it just as hard to get off of hydro than it is to get off oxy.
Ive w/d from hydro at least twenty times over the last four years and it never gets any easier, in fact it seems to take longer the more I do it.

Two ounces of kratom should be sufficient, try to only take it when you really need it. im sorry, i know i keep saying that and I dont mean to sound like im treating you like a child or anything, i just want you to really be careful with that stuff.

take care

btw, what happened to your name? didnt you used to be lenny?
I didnt realize you could change your name on this board.

[DaveSmith]

Thanks, I haven't taken any of it yet and don't plan to if I don't need to. some of the wd's are a little better....it seems anyway.

[xTerm]

Dave;

Here is the way i would try it and the way i did it countless times. I dont want that to sound like it didnt work because it did work on the w/d's.
I've never had any problem getting off hydro, with our without help, its easier with the kratom for sure but ive also done it cold turkey.
To me, the tapering just prolongs it
The problem i have is staying off, since i get medical for life regarding my specific injury, its difficult if not impossible for me to not go back for my free norco script each month.

Another thing that I found on this site, that works alleviate the tiredness and fills in a gap that seems to be left in my head is Tyrosine.
According to some sites ive been to and something ive experienced first hand is that it helps your mind deal with stress and anxiety. It seems to do this even though it acts as a mild stimulate, one tyrosine capsule and two cups of coffee in the am and im prepared for a full day.

Anyway, heres the way i would do it.
Tomorrow, when you wake up take a hot bath but dont take anything at all, no hydro or kratom. Go all day without taking anything, eat what you can and drink water/juice and some gatorade.
At about four pm, mix a teaspoon of kratom with your drink of choice and drink it down fast, doing it fast helps with the awful taste lol.
If by that time you are having problems with diarehha, it along with the sweating and hot and cold chills, will be gone within half an hour. Its very quick acting but its also short term.
Starting tomorrow, I would start taking about two doses of kratom and if you feel like you still need the hydro, i would cut the dose in half and take no more than three or four hydro.

gl

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by xTerm

I think that you will find it just as hard to get off of hydro than it is to get off oxy.
Ive w/d from hydro at least twenty times over the last four years and it never gets any easier, in fact it seems to take longer the more I do it.

Two ounces of kratom should be sufficient, try to only take it when you really need it. im sorry, i know i keep saying that and I dont mean to sound like im treating you like a child or anything, i just want you to really be careful with that stuff.

take care

btw, what happened to your name? didnt you used to be lenny?
I didnt realize you could change your name on this board.

Hey that is pretty funny...I was thinking the same thing...but i wasent going to say anything....thought I had just done to many drugs in the past...LOL
by guys
Melinda

[Businessman1]

When tapering down off opiates, does anyone know if it makes a difference which opiate you take?

For example if I could manage on 30mg of hydromorphone instead of 60mg of oxy would that be easier to taper off?

[DaveSmith]

Thanks XTerm, Melinda and Robert (thanks so much) ..and Businessman (listen)
I am well on my way. I haven't taken any kratom yet and don't plan on it unless I really need it but don't think I do. All of a sudden I seemed to waiting around for the severe wd's symptoms but they aren't coming. I do feel weak and a little nauseated at times but I really feel like I can handle it. I'm getting excited again believe it or not. Even though I still feel week at times (plus that unpleasent feeling in the back of the head...though not as bad), when I do take " a part of a pill now ", I seem to have energy I use that time to jog or whatever keeping real busy. Before I know it I am 6-8 hours without taking anything. I have my son and his family coming this weekend and we are all going to California taking kids to Disneyland. I think that will really help pass time away and keep my mind off how I feel. I might even be completely off before they get here but if not I'll let you know when I get back. I won't have a computer with me. Also so you know, I still have 240 oxys in my drawer which I haven't touched for 10 days now. You all probably say then get rid of them. Here is the problem I had in the past. When I was out or a day from being out I paniced wondering if I'd get them again and always worrying about wd's if I was out. So this time I started tapering with some vics given me and I'm don't have to set around and panic in case I might run out. It's a mind thing I'm sure but this is what's helped me. BUT NOW, I'm soon to rid of the stinkin stuff cause I wont' have to panic anymore. Thanking God through the power, grace, love and mercy of Christ plus Melinda, XTerm, and Robert. I believe you all are sincere in reaching out to help others in this and God has brought each of you across my path. Businessman....you can do it too.
Love you all......I'll be back on here in a couple of weeks with an update....I'll also be around for a few days yet so I'll check back in a few more times

[DaveSmith]

Yep, used to be Lenny (still am actually )......just ask those who are in control of this thing to protect my name.
So you really know.... I had back surgery (mining accident) twice years ago and the injury is now producing chronic pain, thus drugs. But, the drugs have changed my response to life in a negative way so I'd rather live with the pain than be numb in the mind all the time....know what I mean. I too have access to drugs cause docs say operating a 3rd time is too risky but for me to stay on these drugs are even riskier. So I'll live with the pain, done it before.

[DaveSmith]

Businessman, I'm not sure but switching to hydro to taper for me didn't give me the oxy effect which I craved but it did help me manage the wd's. Even though I felt sick it was managable with the vics but I am careful to let myself stay sicker longer thus taking less pills. I keep telling myself I can handle this lousy feeling just a little bit longer each time as Melinda suggested. It will work for you. Like I said on day 7 things seemed to be a lot different, a lot better and I'm pretty stoked about it!

[DaveSmith]

Please read the above 3 or 4 post for the rest of my story and thanks given to whom due

[xTerm]

Originally Posted by DaveSmith

Thanks XTerm, Melinda and Robert (thanks so much) ..and Businessman (listen)
Also so you know, I still have 240 oxys in my drawer which I haven't touched for 10 days now. You all probably say then get rid of them.

Damn man, send em to me

[DaveSmith]

Thanks XTerm, Melinda and Robert (thanks so much) ..and Businessman (listen)
I am well on my way. I haven't taken any kratom yet and don't plan on it unless I really need it but don't think I do. All of a sudden I seemed to waiting around for the severe wd's symptoms but they aren't coming. I do feel weak and a little nauseated at times but I really feel like I can handle it. I'm getting excited again believe it or not. Even though I still feel week at times (plus that unpleasent feeling in the back of the head...though not as bad), when I do take " a part of a pill now ", I seem to have energy I use that time to jog or whatever keeping real busy. Before I know it I am 6-8 hours without taking anything. I have my son and his family coming this weekend and we are all going to California taking kids to Disneyland. I think that will really help pass time away and keep my mind off how I feel. I might even be completely off before they get here but if not I'll let you know when I get back. I won't have a computer with me. Also so you know, I still have 240 oxys in my drawer which I haven't touched for 10 days now. You all probably say then get rid of them. Here is the problem I had in the past. When I was out or a day from being out I paniced wondering if I'd get them again and always worrying about wd's if I was out. So this time I started tapering with some vics given me and I'm don't have to set around and panic in case I might run out. It's a mind thing I'm sure but this is what's helped me. BUT NOW, I'm soon to rid of the stinkin stuff cause I wont' have to panic anymore. Thanking God through the power, grace, love and mercy of Christ plus Melinda, XTerm, and Robert. I believe you all are sincere in reaching out to help others in this and God has brought each of you across my path. Businessman....you can do it too.
Love you all......I'll be back on here in a couple of weeks with an update....I'll also be around for a few days yet so I'll check back in a few more times

[melinda7.5]

Hi Dave

I understand about the panic feelings when you don't have any drugs around.
It just goes to show you what a mind game it really is...

I think it is a good idea to get rid of everything as soon as you can, but I will admit I had a stash of vic's when I quit...
But when I knew I would make it I flushed them...I will never forget that feeling it was wonderful...
you have done so well, you must be really proud...
I am so happy for you...
Have fun with your family...

Melinda