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Old 11-06-2007, 04:34 AM
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I am doing research regarding a possible connection between Schizophrenia and the drug Ketamine given as an anesthesia.

My 15 1/2 year old son was given Ketamine while undergoing surgery to repair a broken arm. Less than 6 months later, he wound up in a mental ward for 17 days, most of which he spent in a severe psychotic state. He was treated for Schizophrenia symptoms for years. Now, we have been hearing that Ketamine may be connected to Schizophrenia.

Has anyone heard of anything similar? Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.
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Old 11-08-2007, 10:36 PM
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He wasn't treated for Schizophrenia with Ketamine, I highly doubt it, or was he? Ketamine is a Veterinary drug mainly used for anesthetizing animals during surgery and bad moments for the animal. It is what is known as a dissociative anesthetic which somehow removes the patient from remembering an unpleasant experience that is done during a traumatic procedure that needs to be done.That's all I know except for the fact that there are people who use it as a sex drug, and a date-rape drug.
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Old 11-09-2007, 12:49 AM
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Hello Mike,

No he was given Ketamine for anethesia during surgery to repair a broken arm. The doc and the anesthesiologist argued about whether or not a 15 1/2 year old should be given the drug. Finally they used it and now we are finding out that it may have a link to his diagnosis of schizophrenia. Hoping that someone may have more info on this topic.
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Sounds like you might have a legal battle on your hands if you've got the energy for it. You're going to have to do some searches on exposure to Ketamine that has resulted in Schizophrenia before you walk into an attorneys' office.I feel for you and hope for God's Blessings on you and your family. Take Care.
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Old 11-09-2007, 01:03 PM
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Yeah, that's why I started this thread. Trying to help him establish a case. Trouble is it's been many years. Statute of limitations might get us. He has already contacted an attorney.

We will continue to do research and hopefully someone will have a similar story. And even if nothing comes of it for my son, we can help prevent this from happening to someone else. Those Drs obviously knew there was a risk, or they wouldn't have argued about it. Right in front of my husband, daughter and the patient, my son!!! (I was out of state attending my Grandmother's funeral.)

Thanks for your input.

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Old 11-09-2007, 01:19 PM
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This is just an idea, but they may have been arguing because, I believe, that ketamine is ussually only used as an anesthetic on children. They may have been arguing about whether or not your son is too old for it, the reason for this is because it is a fairly safe drug physically (hence using it on kids), but it can cause scare the hell out of patients with its strong dissociative effects if they remember it (people have out of body experiences and things like that), it can be very unpleasant for an adult. This is what I have read anyway, and so that may have been why they were arguing, simply about whether or not your son was old enough to be a canidate for it.

Just offering a possible explaination for part of the story. I have no idea about whether or not ketamine is connected to schizophrenia. Either way, I hope your son is doing well, I know how tough mental illness can be on a person and a family. Good luck.
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Old 11-09-2007, 01:31 PM
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Thank you, Circa. And I believe that "age" question did have something to do with the arguement. Like I said, I was out of state at the time, so I only have second hand info from other family members.

My son definitely had an "out of body experience" while under and it took him longer than normal to "come to" according to the anesthsesiologist. Over the course of the next 5 months, he continued to have bad dreams, and show unusual level of fear about weird stuff, until he finally snapped and had to be hospitalized.
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Old 11-12-2007, 05:11 PM
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I hope it doesnt. Around 4-5 years ago quite a few of my friends and I did Ketamine at parties quite a bit, for around 6 months or so. I am fine now. I am a graduate from college and now work in marine biology, but if you find out any info on that subject I would be interested in know as well. (we did quite a bit, like most people that do it we crystalized it and sniffed it rather than IV used like your son) Dont know if that would make a difference on the chemical outcome of K, but just saying.
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Old 12-02-2007, 06:32 PM
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My mom (at age 59) had Ketamine during major surgery. Within 24 hrs she was acutely delusional and paranoid. 2-3 days later, she was herself again. She has no lasting symptoms, but memories of her delusions are still traumatic.
I doubt she'd agree to relive it and tell her story, but I thought it might help to know that older adults can also be affected.
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Old 06-15-2008, 03:25 PM
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Default My niece has been diagnosed with pre-schizophrenia after taking Ketamin

My niece has been diagnosed with pre-schizophrenia after taking Ketamin. She reports hearing voices since 7th grade. This is the same year she started experimenting with "Special K" Ketamine she got from friends at school.

She is now sixteen. She has been to a series of mental hospitals a couple of months ago after a third suicide attempt. After being observed by a variety of psychiatrists, the prevailing opinion seems to be early onset schizophrenia.

None of these doctors knew about the Ketamine abuse, we only found out this weekend. In studying Ketamine it seems to mimic schizophrenia and leads to the impairments in brain circuitry observed in both drug abusers and schizophrenic patients by causing increased production of a toxic free radical called “superoxide.”. That makes me think Ketamine might be able to cause permanent damage in some people.

Read this study: http://health.ucsd.edu/news/2007/12-5-ketamine.htm

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Date: December 06, 2007


Understanding Brain Changes Caused by Ketamine or “Special K” Could Lead to New Therapies for Schizophrenia





Scientists know that the drug ketamine – street name “Special K” – can induce schizophrenia-like symptoms in drug abusers. Ketamine is also used as an anesthetic and, more recently, as an antidepressant – raising concerns by researchers at the University of California, San Diego (UCSD) School of Medicine, who have found that ketamine leads to the impairments in brain circuitry observed in both drug abusers and schizophrenic patients by causing increased production of a toxic free radical called “superoxide.” Their findings, which could point the way to novel treatments for schizophrenia, will be published in the December 7 issue of the journal Science.

A research team led by Laura Dugan, M.D., Larry L. Hillblom Professor of Geriatrics and research scholar with the UCSD Stein Institute for Research on Aging, discovered an unexpected link between the inflammatory enzyme complex NADPH oxidase and the dysfunction of certain brain neurons exposed to ketamine. NADPH oxidase is normally found in white blood cells circulating outside the brain, where it helps kill bacterial and fungal infections by producing superoxide, a compound that can cause substantial damage to cells.

“Because of NADPH oxidase’s protective role in fighting infection, it was very surprising to find that the complex wears a second hat – it is also critical for modulating signaling in the brain,” said first author M. Margarita Behrens, Ph.D., Division of Geriatric Medicine, UCSD School of Medicine.

According to Behrens, it was known that ketamine initially impairs the inhibitory circuitry in the brain’s cortex and hippocampus by blocking the NMDA receptor, a molecule on the cell surface that controls the activity of neurons. But the UCSD researchers discovered that, as a result of blocking the receptor, ketamine also substantially increased the activity of NADPH oxidase, causing further disruption of neuronal signaling.

“Ketamine causes a ‘disinhibition’ of brain circuitry, taking the brakes off the system and causing overexcitation of the brain in response to a stimulus,” said Behrens. “This overexcitation activates NADPH oxidase, which then produces superoxide – resulting in detrimental changes in key synaptic proteins and profoundly affecting nervous system function.”



Ketamine increases the production of free radicals (red), which affects a subpopulation of inhibitory neurons (green).



The result is impairment of the brain circuitry involved in memory, attention and other key functions related to learning. Loss of such functions sets up individuals for psychosis and deficits in information processing, resulting in symptoms such as hallucinations and delusions, as well as social withdrawal and cognitive problems, according to Behrens.

Using ketamine, Behrens and Dugan mimicked features of schizophrenia in mice, and then analyzed neurons in a region of the mouse brain that corresponds to the prefrontal cortex in humans where profound changes occur in patients with schizophrenia. The researchers found a substantial increase in the activity of NADPH oxidase, and that this activity made some neurons in this inhibitory circuitry “disappear.” When the researchers blocked the activity of NADPH oxidase with an inhibitor, or with a compound that annihilates superoxide, these neurons were protected.

“Our findings suggest that compounds that inhibit NADPH oxidase in the brain, without totally blocking its protective function of killing bacteria, could provide future therapies for schizophrenia or other diseases in humans that exhibit similar changes in neural circuitry,” said Behrens.

Additional contributors to the paper include Sameh S. Ali, Diep N. Dao, Jacinta Lucero, Grigoriy Shekhtman and Kevin L. Quick, Department of Medicine, UCSD Division of Geriatric Medicine. The research was funded in part by the Larry L. Hillblom Endowment and NARSAD.

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Media Contact: Debra Kain, 619-543-6163, ddkain@ucsd.edu
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Old 06-15-2008, 07:32 PM
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ive been on special k since 6th grade off and on and i am currently dealing with scizophrenia so i think there is a correlation.
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To the original poster - I take ketamine 4 to 6 times per year.

(nasally - doses of approximately 240-260mg)

I had always viewed ketamine as a relatively safe drug - primarily due to the fact that unlike other drugs used for anesthesia, it does not cause respiratory depression.

Regardless of prior research that suggested the drug was safe, your post has sparked a renewed interest in me and I spent several hours scouring the internet for sources of information - particularly scientific studies focussing on the dangers of ketamine.

It seems that Nitric Oxide could be responsible for some of the damage caused by ketamine - I have around 30-40 pages of printed material to digest and consider, before offering any specific advice.

In the case of your son - I would imagine the only possible circumstance that would enable you to bring legal action against the hospital, would involve some form of malpractice in regards to mg/kg dosing of the ketamine AND/OR the decision to use ketamine alone or combine it with a benzodiazepine.

You didn't mention if your son was given a benzodiazepine along with the ketamine - traditionally this is used to reduce the incidence of OBEs or dissociation resulting from ketamine use.

If I had read your post properly (yesterday), I would've probably have ignored it. My research was based on the belief that your son developed schizophrenia shortly after ketamine use - 6 months is a long time, considering the effects of the drug are generally nil 24 hours after administration. The ketamine -> schizophrenia cases probably relate to abuse of ketamine over a sustained period. However, I will still do my best to find evidence supporting the possibility that the drug caused the mental problems.
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Old 09-17-2009, 10:29 AM
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i dontknow this if this will help you, or if this is stil an issue as you posted this years ago. but ive recently started taking k and ive recently started having auditory hallucinations....pretty much everyday. which is commonly associated with schizophrenia. id like to know if its linked to
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