[helpmepleeze730]

Thank you so much Robert, I really appreciate your help. I take NOTHING else for pain, but here is what I take when needed....Albuterol (for asthma), xanax (but I have the same 30 pills I have had for 7 months), I am supposed to take thyroid medication, but do not. And that is the extent of my medication. I don't even take OTC's. I have a morbid fear of death, so I have a HUGE problem with taking but one medication at a time because I am afraid there will be an interaction. I have OCD very bad too.
I currently am not aware of any heart conditions, BUT I am scared because I get heart palpitations, and am very lathargic if I do eat something. I should probably get a check up before doing the detox thing, just to be sure. It would make me feel better anyways.
I really wish I could do this in the hospital, while being watched though, at least for the first week. I feel very out of shape because I have not had any physical activity for over a year (seriously). I am not over weight, well maybe 20 pounds for my height. I don't know if that makes it harder on your heart or not?
But I am READY to get off this medication and take my life back. I am VERY worried about my pain though. I do have degenerative disk, and spinal stenosis (advanced for my age is what I was told) disks rupture all the time, but the way I look at it, is I had 7 ruptured disks and did not even know it until the three in my neck went. I was jogging daily with these ruptured disks, so my pain tolerance was pretty high. I am assuming it is VERY low now...considering the amount of pain I am in now.
Tell me what I need to do, and I will do it. I am assuming you want me to go to a doctor that is certified with prescribing the Suboxone right? Please tell me about he withdrawals because I have 2 small children at home to take care of. I am thinking if I should wait until next year when my little guy will be in school all day?? But if the withdrawals are not THAT bad with the suboxone, and you think I could handle it I will get started now. I tried doing the cold turkey thing, and I definitely need something because it feels like I can't breathe. What do you think?
thanks, and God Bless,
Jilly....incidently, it is my birthday today

[Robert_325]

Jill ..... Well happy birthday to you! Today is going to be a big day in your life. The good news is based on what you've said you don't need to go check in anyplace or do anything else. Only thing you need to do is obtain the subs through a dr and we can get you doing the program like I mentioned if you so desire.

You won't have any trouble taking care of your children, the time to do this is right NOW! I guarantee you that if you'll go along with me we'll get you off the RX opiates and then you can re-assess your true pain. And I bet it will be LOTS less than it is while you're taking pain meds.

Let me know when you're ready to start. I think you should get an appointment asap. Go to www.suboxone.com. Enter your zip and the miles you're willing to drive to see a dr. They will give you a list of all the certified drs. Let me know. God bless.

[helpmepleeze730]

I am having a hard time right now. The current dosage that I am on is no longer working, and I am going through withdrawals. I have said that I have been on the same dosage for five years, but that isn't true, because now that I think about it, I was on 100 mcgs every 3 days around 4 years ago, but my Doctor upped it to 200 mcg's because the 100's were not taking the pain away. But now I am constantly sweating and irritable, and it feels like I am always going through withdrawals already.
I just wanted to vent. I don't know how much longer I can function like this before it gets worse. Has anyone else experienced this on these fentanyl patches? I brought this up to my doctor a few months ago well like 6 months ago. I don't think he is really interested in upping my medication at all, which is why I am wanting to get off of it. What's the use in staying on it if it is making me feel horrble.
God bless all.
Jill

[melinda7.5]

hi Jill
my best friend was on oxycontin and then they put her on fentanyl patch,,,it was horrible she is now wearing two patches at a time and runs out early and goes to her room and stays there and wont talk to any one....I don't like the patches i wish there was something else you could do...
wishing you the best , Melinda

[mestina]

I am 25 years old and have been on the fentanyl patch for almost 1 year. Throughout this time the doctors have not figured out what it wrong with me, so I do not have a diagnosis. I was taking 75/mg every 48 hours. I am know down to 12/mg as of 2 days ago. It is not so much the pain, but I always being tired. I have no natural energy, all I want to do is sleep, and I feel like I fall asleep while I am driving, although I can feel when it is happening. I guess maybe it is more like blacking out. I also feel lightheaded zaps throughout the day. Is this the fentanyl? I am so frustrated because not knowing what is wrong with you makes it difficult to know what is from the patch. I have 2 little boys and I feel like I have missed out on the last year of their life and I have almost lost my job. When I first went back down to the 50/mg about 4 months ago I felt great for a few weeks, and then have continued to struggle. When I stay home from work because I feel like I am going to collapse from the weakness, I can't sleep because I feel horrible for staying home and doing absolutely nothing. This is ruining my life. Please Help!

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by mestina

I am 25 years old and have been on the fentanyl patch for almost 1 year. Throughout this time the doctors have not figured out what it wrong with me, so I do not have a diagnosis. I was taking 75/mg every 48 hours. I am know down to 12/mg as of 2 days ago. It is not so much the pain, but I always being tired. I have no natural energy, all I want to do is sleep, and I feel like I fall asleep while I am driving, although I can feel when it is happening. I guess maybe it is more like blacking out. I also feel lightheaded zaps throughout the day. Is this the fentanyl? I am so frustrated because not knowing what is wrong with you makes it difficult to know what is from the patch. I have 2 little boys and I feel like I have missed out on the last year of their life and I have almost lost my job. When I first went back down to the 50/mg about 4 months ago I felt great for a few weeks, and then have continued to struggle. When I stay home from work because I feel like I am going to collapse from the weakness, I can't sleep because I feel horrible for staying home and doing absolutely nothing. This is ruining my life. Please Help!

I think fentanyl should only be used for patients who've been diagnosed as terminal. I have NEVER seen one single person taper off, quit cold turkey, no type of detox whatsoever off fentanyl that wasn't awful to pull off. The only way to get you off the fentanyl without it being so painful would be to switch over to suboxone and let me taper you off.

Fentanyl just sucks the life out of a normal person. If you're dealing with the pain then I can get you off the fentanyl if you'll go along and do the suboxone therapy. Here is a link how I base my suboxone suggestions. I would surely hate to think that I had to take myself off fentanyl. Let me know if you want my help AFTER you read the link. God bless.

http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html

[mestina]

I think that I am a pretty strong person. I was addicted to meth for 4 years. I quite cold turkey by myself. I have never been to treatment or any support groups (except my family). I have been completely clean from meth for 4 years. I thought that I could do this myself and at times think that I should quit cold turkey but am afraid of how long the w/d symptoms would last as I work full time as a social worker and have two young boys. Should I talk to my doctor about get a script for suboxone? Also I need to know that I can still do this and maintain my job and care for my kids. I have been working throughout the past year with all of this.

[Robert_325]

I can walk you through the suboxone with minimal struggles. I say minimal and that's a worse-case scenario. Let me know when you're ready. God bless.

[helpmepleeze730]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

I can walk you through the suboxone with minimal struggles. I say minimal and that's a worse-case scenario. Let me know when you're ready. God bless.

Hi Robert,
I am so greatful to have someone like you right now. I have been freaking out over whether or not I am ready to get off of the patch right now. I am afraid I am going to get off of them, and then not be able to handle it. Because once you tell the doctor you want off of them there is no turning back. The thing I think that scares me even more than the pain I will be in, is how long the withdrawal symptoms will last, and of course whether or not I will have a reaction to the suboxone, because if I remember correctly (I have already once seen a doctor about the suboxone) after you start taking it, you can't even take a xanax because it won't work. And if I have a panic attack, what the heck would I do? There is that, and then the fact that if I am in an enormous amount of pain, until this medication is out of your system, you can't take anything for the pain. You are right when you say that you have to be completely ready to get off of this medication. I am ready, I just really really wish (like I have said before) that I could go somewhere peaceful, and focus on getting through this without having to worry about everyday life. Also, I am soooo freaked out about something happening (like a reaction or something) that I wish I could be monitored. But I am going to take your advice, and just do it. I am going to wait until my prescription is up at the end of August. This way, I can enjoy (not really enjoy, but you know what I mean) the last little bit of nice weather we have here in Michigan. Is that alright with you?
OMgosh Robert, I am so scared. And I am sorry, I should have asked YOU how you are feeling/doing? Are you doing OK and getting through the days OK? How is your pain? If you need to vent/chat, I am here for you too =)
Thank you so much for your support/help for us all. You are a very nice person.
God Bless,
your friend,
Jilly
oh, and btw, I saw someone post that marijuana helps, so I tried it about a year ago...BIG mistake..I had the Biggest panic attack I ever had in my life. I felt good at first, but then I felt like I could not breathe or something, and then I ate everything in sight and finally came down. It felt like it magnified my problem LOL. I smoked it in highschool and that never happened before. Guess I just can't handle that stuff.

[Robert_325]

I just recently finished about a month ago working successfully with a fentanyl addict. That was the most recent one that completed the subs successfully and is clean today. We went right through the suboxone taper and the person had very insignificant problems. It took about three months total. Usually I can do it in 6-8 weeks but with fentanyl or methadone it's likely to go a little longer.

I won't say that you won't have any pain when you finish the sub taper. But my experience is that the pain will be less as the addiction is so painful in itself. Your body is freaking out all the time wanting its meds. You're in and out of w/d all the time. That is not a good way to live.

I won't bore you with my entire history but my pain level was off the charts with RA, Raynauds, APS (all painful autoimmune problems), five knee operations, deg disc disease, congenital scoliosis, the list goes on and on. I was taking thirty 30mg oxy each day plus 30 lorcets, 20mg of xanax, 6-8mg klonopin and 20-25 soma each day. I haven't taken a narcotic medication in SEVERAL years and don't want or need any.

Let me know if you've got enough trust to do this. God bless.

If you do the subs I will commit to helping you all the way through until you're off the subs too. I just ask that you be naive enough to do as I ask.

[mestina]

What if i can't get subs then what?

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by mestina

What if i can't get subs then what?

You CAN get the subs. If your dr doesn't do it then go to www.suboxone.com .... just enter your zip code and the number of miles you're willing to drive to see a sub dr. They will give you a list of all sub-certified drs in the designated area along with a list of pharmacies that stock the medication. It's no big deal finding a sub dr. Let me know when you find one. God bless.

[helpmepleeze730]

Hi Everyone,
I just wanted to check in and let yall know that I have been weeneing myself down a little, just so that it will be a little easier to go on to the suboxone.
First I do have to say, that the pain in my back is horrible, and in my neck too, and it is NOT withdrawal. I can now feel the arthritis, and it's definitely not fun.
I went from two patches every 2 days, down to every 3 days, and now I am at one patch every 56 hours, so far, God has been watching and helping me because I have NEVER ever NOT had withdrawals, even with the patches ON, so this is a very big big thing for me. I actually feel better (aside from the pain) which I knew I coud handle. Now please understand, I don't know if this will last, because I am expecting for everything to turn on me, and for me to start going through horrific withdrawals any minute now, I truly think this is a sign from God to continue on my journey. I have always gotten withdrawals when my patches wear off like anytime between 2 hours and 3 hours, and can go no longer. Usually When I put 2 patches on (2-100mcg patches that is) they last around 48 hours, and sometimes I can go another 5 hours without changing them, I really just wait as long as I can. When I start to feel witdrawals come on, I stick ONE patch on until my withrawals continue to get worse, and then eventually I end up putting two on the next day.
So this is a very big step for me.
I will let you know how things go. When I get back down to one patch every 2-3 days, I will know it is time to go to the suboxone. The reason I feel I should do it like this is because if I go from 2-3 patches every 3 days, it will take more suboxone to conrol my withdrawals, and this stuff, most doctors ask cash for, which is expensive, plus, It will be harder to get off the suboxone.
I know this because when I was on Lortab I went to see a doctor that prescribed suboxone, and he charged money, and not insurance.
I am kinda feeling a little withdrawal right now. I am starting the yawns, and my eyes are watering a bit, that and the pain. I'll keep you posted on my progress and let you know when I am ready to go to the suboxone. As I go through the suboxone treatment with Robert, I will keep a blog to let you know step by step what happens through each phase, and how I am feeling. I hope this will help other people make the decision to do the same thing, and get off this poison. Keep me in your prayers please, as I will do the same for all of you.
love, and God Bless,
Jill

[Robert_325]

Jill ..... I understand your thoughts behind lowering your fentanyl dose prior to switching to subs but I don't think you'll need to go as far as you might think. You get to where your total dose averages out around 100mcg and we can do the sub induction just fine if you'll do the induction like I ask you to.

I worked with a member named truckerbob who not long ago finished off the subs from a fentanyl/oxycodone and I don't remember what all. But truckerbob listened and did EXACTLY what was asked. Was the sub experience perfect? NO it wasn't. There were a couple bumps in the road but Bob was successful.

Here is a link to truckerbob's thread. I think Bob was on 75mcg plus a bunch of oxycodone when the induction was done. You can see exactly how it went week by week if you like. Suboxone will work fine for fentanyl. Don't underestimate the subs if you are really ready to do this. God bless.

http://www.drugs.com/forum/need-talk...tch-51029.html

[rdneckgal]

Howdy everyone! Ive actually been a member for about 5 years now but i lost my username,password, email, due to memory loss and had to start over. Ive never asked or responded to anything but i felt a strong need to respond to all of yall, especially you Scott, trying to kick the patch. I was on it for about 5 years and went off of it off and on due to running out of them early. The withdrawals were hell!!! i counted the minutes until i got my new script. Ive been off of it for about 6 months now and I got off without any problem. Im still taking my percs but I didnt increase them or use any other pills. Longblkwavyhair had it right, Cannibis is the answer!!! Not only does smoking a little bit of pot help with the god awful migraines, it makes the withdrawals non existant!!! I had never really been much of a pot smoker before, only a few times in high school but when i was out of my patches one time and in so much pain i was begging to die my ex stepdaughter had a joint and begged me to try it, said it would help with the headache and throwing up. It sure did!!! Regardless of what state you live in and whether it is leagal or not I highly reccommend it for anyone trying to kick anything!!! Good Luck to everyone and yall are in my prayers!!!

[mestina]

Thanks, because I did go to my doctor today and he said that I am on a low enough dose (25) that I do not need subs. I will do that. Thanks so much.

[PassingBy]

I was simply reading up on Fantanyl (planning to quit using the patch soon) and possible withdrawals when I happened upon this site and this particular thread.

I registered for one reason.

Robert_325, are you a doctor or a health care professional? That's the only question I have for you.

Others taking advice from a stranger on the internet: Please be careful. You could be taking advice from someone who has zero medical background and no business trying to take responsibility in something related to your health and well being. There is a reason that drug treatment/detox centers as well as doctors and nurses are out there to help you though this sort of thing, and that reason is because you can't just trust some person you've never met on the internet to properly and safely treat your medical condition.

Suboxone is recommended as an opiate replacement therapy and it is strongly suggested that a medical PROFESSIONAL administer the drug and guide you through its usage. If you have an addiction problem then additional therapy is also recommended and is often provided by the same doctor that will prescribe the Suboxone.


All that said, I sure as Hell wouldn't trust some person on the internet, who could be a 12 year old kid for all you know, to guide me through a process like this.
For crying out loud, the guy is asking you to be naive enough to trust him? Naive, indeed...

Anyway, "Robert" may be a great guy with genuine intentions at heart and a medically tried and tested method of detox to walk you through, and, hopefully, a degree in medicine.
Or he may be none of the above. It's your call, but if it were me the only advice I would take off of an internet message board is the advice to seek professional medical treatment.

Bye.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by PassingBy

I was simply reading up on Fantanyl (planning to quit using the patch soon) and possible withdrawals when I happened upon this site and this particular thread.

I registered for one reason.

Robert_325, are you a doctor or a health care professional? That's the only question I have for you.

Others taking advice from a stranger on the internet: Please be careful. ......................................

Suboxone is recommended as an opiate replacement therapy and it is strongly suggested that a medical PROFESSIONAL administer the drug and guide you through its usage. If you have an addiction problem then additional therapy is also recommended and is often provided by the same doctor that will prescribe the Suboxone.


[B]All that said, I sure as Hell wouldn't trust some person on the internet, who could be a 12 year old kid for all you know, to guide me through a process like this.
For crying out loud, the guy is asking you to be naive enough to trust him? Naive, indeed...[/B

]Anyway, "Robert" may be a great guy with genuine intentions at heart and a medically tried and tested method of detox to walk you through, and, hopefully, a degree in medicine.
Or he may be none of the above. It's your call, but if it were me the only advice I would take off of an internet message board is the advice to seek professional medical treatment.

Bye.

You said it best. Bye!

For your information NO ONE has asked you for your opinion about anything, your medical background information or anything else if I've read properly. In fact NO ONE here even cares PERIOD about anything you have to say. I have also suggested that patients should consult with the professional of their choice for medical matters of concern contained in my disclaimer. I owe you NOTHING, I have done nothing wrong nor do I ever do anything legally wrong.

That's the last thing I intend on discussing with you. You have nothing sensible to question me about so you chooose something stupid like questioning that I may be 12 years old? Give me a break PassingBy. You sound ridiculous. If anything THAT kind of accusation shows the liklihood of you trying to initiate some kind of argument with me by insulting me. It won't happen, I don't have time for someone such as yourself.

If you don't like the entertainment that's playing on this forum change the channel. There are lots of forums, channels/categories to choose from or even try the television if you own one. No one invited you here. You can even block my replies so you don't have to see anything thatI post if it bothers you that much.

I don't prescribe medication of any kind here, I make a point of explaining that my advice comes from experience ONLY and I surely owe you NOTHING regardless of how important you many think you are. I won't be engaging in any illegal activities here on the forum (nor have I ever made an illegal allegation) ever during my entire life.

I suggest that you go somewhere where possibly someone may be interested in what you have to say. I promise you won't be accepted with open arms around here showing up with your first post threatening members and trying to get us to start fighting and fussing.

I am a devout Christian or I would say what is really spinning around in my little double-digit IQ mind. I'll match it up against your IQ anytime though Mr/Ms Wizard. In the meantime may God bless you for your efforts doing what you think is right considering that you're obviously working with less than what is a full picnic basket. God bless.

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by PassingBy

I was simply reading up on Fantanyl (planning to quit using the patch soon) and possible withdrawals when I happened upon this site and this particular thread.

I registered for one reason.

Robert_325, are you a doctor or a health care professional? That's the only question I have for you.

Others taking advice from a stranger on the internet: Please be careful. You could be taking advice from someone who has zero medical background and no business trying to take responsibility in something related to your health and well being. There is a reason that drug treatment/detox centers as well as doctors and nurses are out there to help you though this sort of thing, and that reason is because you can't just trust some person you've never met on the internet to properly and safely treat your medical condition.

Suboxone is recommended as an opiate replacement therapy and it is strongly suggested that a medical PROFESSIONAL administer the drug and guide you through its usage. If you have an addiction problem then additional therapy is also recommended and is often provided by the same doctor that will prescribe the Suboxone.


All that said, I sure as Hell wouldn't trust some person on the internet, who could be a 12 year old kid for all you know, to guide me through a process like this.
For crying out loud, the guy is asking you to be naive enough to trust him? Naive, indeed...

Anyway, "Robert" may be a great guy with genuine intentions at heart and a medically tried and tested method of detox to walk you through, and, hopefully, a degree in medicine.
Or he may be none of the above. It's your call, but if it were me the only advice I would take off of an internet message board is the advice to seek professional medical treatment.

Bye.

Passingby
you really have no idea what you are saying PLEASE just keep passingby
Robert has helped more people that had no where else to turn there doctors tottaly screwed them over...Im sure all the other people on this board will agree with me when I tell you to get lost loser

[NikNak1]

Seems like someone has had one patch too many!

[harleyhoney2130]

Originally Posted by Stardust1959

My Pain Management Doctor has me up to 50mg of Fentanyl (patch). I don't need it any longer, as my Spinal Fusion has healed and I am no longer in pain. He told to see him today and he would help me. But when I got there, he said he doesn't remember saying he would help me and that (I am on my own!!).
I told him that I went from the 50 to the 25 like he told me too and within 6 hours, I was Trembling, Nausea's, the room was spinning and I felt so strange (my stomach & head) I thought I was going to have a seizure and had to go back to the 50's. He said too bad, that I would have to suffer with it like all his other patients.
But I can't. I have severe Panic Disorder and am curently on 5mg+ of Xanax a day, and 450 Wellbutrin, and it [u]WILL</u> send me into a seizure.
He still says too bad. In about a month I have to have an open abdominal surgery for severe Adhesions. I asked him (what about that?) And he said, there is nothing stronger than the Fentanyl and that I would be in [u]pretty severe pain </u>because no matter what they give me, [u]it WILL NOT work</u>!!
[u]How long does it take to get off this stuff? I have only been on it for 5 months. And how long in the future can I take something and it actually work again??I am really getting scared.</u> Thank's,
Stardust

i was on the 25mg patch for almost a year i stayed swelled i told my dr i it was not helping with my pain it was coming off in the shower and taping it back on didnt help my pain . she switched me to 30 mg mscottin three times a day and percocet 10 3 a day for pain breaker i still went thru withdraw so . i know how you feel i was throwing up and direa at the same time . i thought i was dying . i will pray for you it took me a week or longer to feel better .

[DarkSentinel]

Like another member the meds I am on pretty much ruined my life. 1 marriage and a 2 year relationship. Last time it was Morphine that I kicked. Unfortunately this time I was stupid again, and let the "pain specialist" put me on Fentanyl. With Oxycodones for breakthrough. I am also on Diazepam and Zoloft for anxiety and depression. Things fell apart completely the beginning of this month, and I am basically stranded until my next disability check, meaning no med refills. Has any ever cold turkeyed all 3 at the same time. Any suggestions? I don't want to cause any problems with my friends, but don't know what else to do. Hopefully someone can give me an idea.