Feedback Please/ Suboxine

[jimijimi]

I was using pain meds (Lora tab 10mg.) for 10 months now, using 3 pills a day
for a back injury. I went thru withdrawls last year for the same thing, i was using the pills at that time for about a year and went thru 6 days of withdrawls, it sucked but made it thru, then hurt the back again 10 months ago and was put back on pain meds.
I went to a doctor 4 days ago and he put me on Suboxine 2mg, been taking a half every 12 hrs. mostly in the morning and at night, well today i did't have to take one untill 3;00 and hope not to take anymore till tommorow. I've been hearing about people taking them for 6 months and more,WHY? I figure i went thru withdrawls for 6 days last time cold turkey. So what i plan on is doing the suboxine for 8/10 days and stoping, my question is the narcotic from the pain meds should be out of my system by then right? and if i stop the suboxine
i should't go thru withdrawls??

[Robert_325]

You have the right idea to use suboxone just to get past the w/d symptoms. It's likely that the opiate detox will be over in 8-10 days like you are talking about but I would probably give it a couple weeks or so to be sure. This should about guarantee that you won't have w/ds. Good luck.

[Mic1]

Before my son went through his second detox , THE DOCTOR PUT HIM ON sUBOXONE, he tried to stop it and after 2 weeks he was still sick and went back on it ..We took him to the Waismann and they detox him under anesthesia, it was incredible to get my son back.

[jimijimi]

You have the right idea to use suboxone just to get past the w/d symptoms. It's likely that the opiate detox will be over in 8-10 days like you are talking about but I would probably give it a couple weeks or so to be sure. This should about guarantee that you won't have w/ds. Good luck.

Thanks for the reply i will keep some soboxine on hand just in case
i still get withdrawl systems.

[jimijimi]

Before my son went through his second detox , THE DOCTOR PUT HIM ON sUBOXONE, he tried to stop it and after 2 weeks he was still sick and went back on it ..We took him to the Waismann and they detox him under anesthesia, it was incredible to get my son back.

I glad to hear you got your son back, i never relized how bad it could get
by taking something that would take away my back pain because i wasen't
using it to get high.
My cosin was not so lucky he overdosed last year from herion at 32 yrs old
he just could't beat it and kept relasping.

[Cats Meow]

Jimi, Suboxone is an opioid, like all opioids they cause w/d symptoms, there is really no way to avoid it, but tapering down slowly does minimize w/d's.

Why people use them for six months or more depends, sometimes it's a very lucrative, shall I say racket for PM doctors, for others it takes a long time for them to break the euphoric feeling that they become accustom to from opioids, especially if they injected their dope. Six months really isn't a long time, it takes time to dial in the correct dose, get stable, screw their head back on straight, then titrate down. Addiction is very hard to beat, it takes time, going too fast can cause relapse.

[jimijimi]

Jimi, Suboxone is an opioid, like all opioids they cause w/d symptoms, there is really no way to avoid it, but tapering down slowly does minimize w/d's.

Why people use them for six months or more depends, sometimes it's a very lucrative, shall I say racket for PM doctors, for others it takes a long time for them to break the euphoric feeling that they become accustom to from opioids, especially if they injected their dope. Six months really isn't a long time, it takes time to dial in the correct dose, get stable, screw their head back on straight, then titrate down. Addiction is very hard to beat, it takes time, going too fast can cause relapse.

Thanks Cats Meow, that gives me a better understanding on it.
I kind of figured out the things with the Doctors, just like they keep you on pain meds.
Well yesterday i only took a half of pill and that was 19 hrs ago, will see if i can make it 24 hrs. Next time i take it i'am only going to do a quarter of one.
I think that's good sense i started the suboxine on Thursday (4 days ago)
I'am determined to quite. I've been into BodyBuilding for the last 3 yrs and the stronger pain meds started to get in the way. Thanks again.

[helpaddict]

hello everyone! i am a new member here and would like some feed back from anyone that may be able to help me,i am 30 years old and i am addicted to hydrocodone 4 years now and i cant afford treatment i need to be able to do it at home and still go to work i am a manager of a 24 hour gas station that i have worked at since i was 17 any suggestions would be great!

[jimijimi]

hello everyone! i am a new member here and would like some feed back from anyone that may be able to help me,i am 30 years old and i am addicted to hydrocodone 4 years now and i cant afford treatment i need to be able to do it at home and still go to work i am a manager of a 24 hour gas station that i have worked at since i was 17 any suggestions would be great!

Hey bro, I was on the same meds as you for a back injury. I found a Doc for Soboxone on the internet and there were quit a few, i live near Miami, called a few docs. in the area and this is what it cost me, also think about what you spend going to pain mg.docs. or street prices and filling scrips. You will save in the long run and also get clean.
Cost me 90 dollars for the visit and he wrote me 30- 8mg pills and i bought as many as i could afford at the time which was 12 pills for 69 dollars and have 18 left if i need them, but don't think so. Started on 8mg a day for the first 2 days, this is the 5th day and down to 2mg in the morn and 2mg at night.
Tommorow i will cut that in half to 1mg in the morn and 1mg at night and will go down from there. In my mind the longer i stay on Suboxone the more of a W/D i will have from them. Good luck bro.

[Ariesfire27]

I didn't know some people were only on Sub. for a short time until I came here. I have to say, I am a bit angry at myself for not looking into before, and the doctors for keeping me on it for over 2 years. Over those 2 yrs I didn't relapse until recently, so looking back - just WHY was I on it for so long? I never used IV drugs, when I checked into detox I was down to a low maintenance dose of Methadone after 2 years of using daily, usually small amounts w/an occasional binge.

As someone who has been on it a long time, I'd MUCH rather I wasn't!! It makes coming off it so much harder, this is a MAJOR drug that stays with you for a long, long time & to have so much of it built up for so long, even if part of it is the psychological habit of taking it 4xday down to the exact minute...yeah. The sooner, the better...use it as the stepping stone it's meant to be, not your island of escape.

[Robert_325]

I didn't know some people were only on Sub. for a short time until I came here. I have to say, I am a bit angry at myself for not looking into before, and the doctors for keeping me on it for over 2 years. Over those 2 yrs I didn't relapse until recently, so looking back - just WHY was I on it for so long? I never used IV drugs, when I checked into detox I was down to a low maintenance dose of Methadone after 2 years of using daily, usually small amounts w/an occasional binge.

As someone who has been on it a long time, I'd MUCH rather I wasn't!! It makes coming off it so much harder, this is a MAJOR drug that stays with you for a long, long time & to have so much of it built up for so long, even if part of it is the psychological habit of taking it 4xday down to the exact minute...yeah. The sooner, the better...use it as the stepping stone it's meant to be, not your island of escape.

What did you relapse on??? Do you have a relapse history? Some drs suggest we stay on suboxone longer if we have a relape history. I personally don't think it's necessary if we are working a good recovery program of some kind be it NA, church or whatever. I've seen lots of people here do just fine with short term suboxone use. It worked great for me. And it infuriates me when drs have us take suboxone four times a day for the reason you stated. It becomes a habit to you. Once or twice a day at the most is fine. Suboxone has a half life of over 35 hours. Why would we need to take it every six hours? That makes no sense at all.

[bev49]

Even after my methadone addiction of 3 decades, my doc said it would not be necessary to take sub more than 2x a day. Started with 8 mg. 2x a day.. As of yesterday i cut the pills into 4s and took 8 in the morning 6 in the evening. In a few days 6 and 6 and so on. Some doctors are not very knowledgeable even though they should be since they need to take a class to get licensed. Its a good money making scam for some docs. Make sure you pick a sub doctor wisely!

[Ariesfire27]

I relapsed w/cocaine, not even "my drug"...went to a wedding shortly after my fiancee dumped me, saw an old "friend"...BAD combo. I don't have a history of it, unless they were counting what happened after I finished detox - the hospital had me on 12, 16, then 8mg Sub over 1 week, out the door with none the 8th day, I made it 3 days (with a 2 year old!) before I got just enough methadone to make it to the Sub dr. I found. There was NO education about Suboxone (half life etc) in detox, during my intensive outpatient, or by the Sub dr. We really have to be our own advocates & educators. Never take a med on face value, w/out lots of research! I just went down to 5mg today, much slower than I wanted to taper but I think a good part of it is being used to 4xday dosing, it is physically & mentally hard after 2 years of never "coming down". I'm going longer & longer between, dosing at 3xday for next 3-4 days, then 2xday. Getting there, just wish I had done this 1 1/2 years ago!

What did you relapse on??? Do you have a relapse history? Some drs suggest we stay on suboxone longer if we have a relape history. I personally don't think it's necessary if we are working a good recovery program of some kind be it NA, church or whatever. I've seen lots of people here do just fine with short term suboxone use. It worked great for me. And it infuriates me when drs have us take suboxone four times a day for the reason you stated. It becomes a habit to you. Once or twice a day at the most is fine. Suboxone has a half life of over 35 hours. Why would we need to take it every six hours? That makes no sense at all.

[jimijimi]

Even after my methadone addiction of 3 decades, my doc said it would not be necessary to take sub more than 2x a day. Started with 8 mg. 2x a day.. As of yesterday i cut the pills into 4s and took 8 in the morning 6 in the evening. In a few days 6 and 6 and so on. Some doctors are not very knowledgeable even though they should be since they need to take a class to get licensed. Its a good money making scam for some docs. Make sure you pick a sub doctor wisely!

Great advise bev49, if anyone lives in the South Florida area theres a Doc. that hopes you only see him once unless it's absolutely nessasary. He calls you to see how your doing and ask how the medication is working for you.
His name is Dr.Mitchel in N.Miami Beach 164th st. and 18th ave

He's not a scaming money hungry Doctor.

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[sisterwin2]

I didn't know some people were only on Sub. for a short time until I came here. I have to say, I am a bit angry at myself for not looking into before, and the doctors for keeping me on it for over 2 years. Over those 2 yrs I didn't relapse until recently, so looking back - just WHY was I on it for so long? I never used IV drugs, when I checked into detox I was down to a low maintenance dose of Methadone after 2 years of using daily, usually small amounts w/an occasional binge.

As someone who has been on it a long time, I'd MUCH rather I wasn't!! It makes coming off it so much harder, this is a MAJOR drug that stays with you for a long, long time & to have so much of it built up for so long, even if part of it is the psychological habit of taking it 4xday down to the exact minute...yeah. The sooner, the better...use it as the stepping stone it's meant to be, not your island of escape.

I was another fool who trusted the doc. ... I happen to come across a sub site with list of md's names... I was so desperate to get clean I called the first guy on the list.. Last name started with a B. He put me on 40 mg to be taken 5x daily. Told me nothing else. I was lucky to have only gone 10 days before I found this forum and thanks to Rob, I was able to wean w/in a few weeks to 12mg and a sliver if wd symptom arise. I think now I am stablizing at 12.. This doc charged me $250 for the first 5 min session basicley to write the script for one weeks worth.... then gouged me for another $125 for a months worth of pills at 40mg a day. He actualy had me take the first dose at home by myself and I went immed into withdrawl.... took two days to get out of withdrawl. We really have to question MD;s... now on if they will not answer my questions.. I will walk out.
I am still contenplating reporting him.... but not sure anyone really cares... I am a drug addict.

[bev49]

sis, that doc needs to be reported in my opinion. He did everything wrong. The dosing was ridiculous. As I've said before I was on meth for 3 decades and even with that, the doc said I coud go to 32 a day max. I never even did that. Started at 24 in a day, quickly switched to 16 in a day and now 12 a day (6 and 6). Also, I might be wrong but I thought it was the law that for first dose, you have to get the script, go to the drugstore to fill it, then bring it back to the doctors office and take it there. He is a total idiot. Thank god you're fine but really, he coulda killed you. I'm glad you got the ******************** together though. The sub is working great for me, on day 12. I am keeping toes and fingers crossed that it continues. 40 years of opiate addiction seems ridiculously long. I wanna spend my "golden" years with no dependencies. I know bupe is a dependency but minor compared to methadone maintenance or heroin. Good luck to you, good luck to me, good luck to all of us addictive types.

[sisterwin2]

Bev, I did report him this morning to the Suboxone site. I detailed what happen. I got the e-mail address from the site and sent it. Lets see what happens. I have decided not to go back since I have enough to get thru the wean. If I need more due to fear of getting off and using.. I will go to a different doc.
I will let you know what happens, if anything. You know doc's still have that good ole boy mentality.

[Ariesfire27]

Would you mind sharing that e-mail address? I would like to report my former doctor who was just horrendous. Details are in a thread I wrote a while ago about self-weaning, if you're curious - don't want to bore anyone! Thank you.

Bev, I did report him this morning to the Suboxone site. I detailed what happen. I got the e-mail address from the site and sent it. Lets see what happens. I have decided not to go back since I have enough to get thru the wean. If I need more due to fear of getting off and using.. I will go to a different doc.
I will let you know what happens, if anything. You know doc's still have that good ole boy mentality.

[relaybane]

i was on suboxone for quite a while, and glad to say didnt get gouged financially. It certainly was a relief first time as i was a few days into Oxy withdrawal. My experience was that even though i got my dosage down to almost nil, a day or so completely off i was having horrible wd's so went straight back on after i couldnt bear it any longer..Eventually found my salvation with the Waismann method, as did others on this thread. If moneys tight, i believe they work with insurance ( im not sure tho- ask them). Personally i recommend them over anything else. Do the research and make an informed discision. ive heard a few concerns expressed on some forums but my experience couldnt have been better, so weigh up peoples anecdotes and see if any may have agendas ( suboxone drs perhaps) then go with it..good luck!