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Depressed ever since I can remember...Opiates for depression...PLEASE help!
Depression, Opiates, Opiods, Misinformation
Hi to the original poster if you are reading this thread Please respond. My e-mail is email@example.com, Please write me and let me know how you are doing and what your theauptic level is on your medicine. Also I would like to know who your doctor is as I need help finding a good doctor myself. I am originally from Los Angeles Calif. myself and would move back there to get the help I need if I have too. I want to say first thank-you to Drugs.com for their forum so we can learn about meds., what the side effects are and the dangers of them. Second their is a lot of misinformation on these threads so take them with a grain of salt. I sympathize with you on your quest for help for your depression and am glad you have reached your goal for treatment and help to overcome your depression. I have had it all my life along with A.D.H.D., P.D.D., P.T.S.D., O.C.D., Aspergers with mild autism, and alcholism. I have been sober for twenty years now from my self medication for my depression and mental illness due to my childhood upbringing with a alcholic deaf father and a deaf mother also. I also have three herniated disc's due to my memory losses from my P.T.S.D., and making mistakes at work. Inadvertantly while seeing the doctor and being treated for my blown disc L5-S1 he prescribed me 10mg Valium twice a day for my severe nighmares while I was taking Oxycodone 10mg ER three times a day. The theapuetic effect for me was enormous, as I did not have any more nighmares and could remember the day before. I can relate to your nighmares as I have them constantly whenever I sleep, and forget everything from the day before. I took the Valium for four years and eventually quit them due to the pain of losing a job and waking up and crying every morning for two years. Eventually I tried to get the Valium back and was denied. Instead the doctor gave me Xanax which did not help me. I wish that I had stayed on the valium. Right now I am on Medicare and Medicaid and cannot find a doctor who will treat me with Oxycodone or Valium for my mental and physical pain here in Corpus Christi Texas. I did not overuse the medications as they were helping me. Once you get the proper theaputic effect of the medicine you will not have to go up in dosage to get the same effect. If you get the help you need from the medicine you will not abuse it or need more. As far as the eurphic effect from the meds., I think that is part of the effectiveness of the medicine helping to stop the pain. I did not really feel much of euphoria due to the medicine taking away the pain as in time it goes away anyway. I did not have to keep taking higher and higher doses of Oxycodone once I was at my theaputic level for my pain which was 30 mg. IR three times a day. My doctor moved and I could not find another doctor to treat me as the DEA comes down on the doctors and they are not wanting to have a triplicate license and dispense them. Also being dependant on meds., is o.k., as we are dependant on them to help us as we are depentant on our spouse for support. Their is nothing wrong with that. I am glad that you have finally recieved help for your severe depression. I did not know how debilitating my depression was untill I finally got help for it thru medication which was Valium. I have not had to do more than the 10mg twice a day for four years and it really helped me a lot. As far as subject being discussed I think that many people have depression and are not being treated for it. I have tired many other anti-depressants and they did not help me either. Many doctors want to put you on designer meds. to make more money off of you from the kickbacks. Anyway thanks for allowing me to post and hope this thread helps someone out there suffereing from severe depression which is deep rooted from their childhood with no way out and do not give up on looking for the help you need!!! Sincerely Yours, Daniel Stark
Between high doses of valium and oxycodone, there is NO WAY to know what part of your depression is YOU - and what part is the narcotics and benzos. You would have to get clean of ALL of them to find out what your true self is - and what actually needs treatment.
You sure have a litany of labels and diagnosises, though - and feel fully justified to spend your life highly medicated by mood-altering, mind-altering drugs. It should be a huge red flag that no doctor wants to take on that kind of responsibility of prescribing you those medications; that should give you an idea how dangerous a situation you are in.
Instead, the fact that you are willing to actually RELOCATE just to find a doctor to give you the drugs you want... is horrifying.
You said you were sober... huh??? You routinely took 30mg of oxycodone and 20mg of valium each day, yet proclaimed 20 years of "sobriety"??? You have already admit to being an alcoholic - doesn't that alert you that you are an addict - and as one, can not safely take addictive drugs? It's all the same disease, just different chemicals. Same issue - same result.
God bless you, if that is the life you choose. But please, do not come onto a forum like this and proclaim how 'normal' a life dependent on drugs is to you. That kind of "advice" can be lethal to the next person reading it.
There IS another way to live - but that life takes time and effort, not the "quick fix" of a drug.
Government Propaganda and Misinformation about medications
I am only going to respond to you in order so that others will not believe your misguided information what you have gone thru and done is not necessarily right for others, and what you have been taught thru your drug rehab. and counseling programs. Number one I knew that you were a basher and would bash my encouragement to others who need help. You should be banned from this website. Number two 10mg twice a day of valium and 30mg oxycodone three times a day is not a high dose of medication so get real. I am not highly medicated either. You are eroneous. Number three for thirty five years of my life I have suffered depression without intervention so I am sure I know who I am and how much the medication helps me and can help others. I don't think that you have found your cure yet so you have to bash others to feel better about yourself. As for my disabilities they are diagnosed by doctors of which you are not, and most of the medications they want to prescribe are designer drugs which they can make more in kickbacks then listening to the patient and giving them the right medications. Interestingly enough when I had good insurance the doctors did not care that I had a history of drug dependency. Number four The reason that most doctors will not prescribe triplicate medications due to governmental control and the Dea prosecuting doctors for helping their patients. I am not in a dangerous situation. Number five when you are in mental & physical pain and the doctors are afraid to treat you due to governmental control and a police country for financial gain when it is a medical problem is just plain wrong, and if I have to move to a another country to be pain free I will!! Number six I am still sober since November 18, 1988 and have only gone to doctors and taken the medicines they have prescribed as they were prescribed for my mental and physical pain, and am sure if it were unsafe for me they would not have prescribed them. Number seven I have not received necessary medications for the last two months and am miserably in severe mental and physical pain. It you call that normal you need your brain checked. My encouragement to others to obtain the help they need and the right medications that might help them is not lethal to them, but your misinformation is by telling them to just stay in pain. You are a pain with your govenmental and rehabilitative training and advice you are feeding others. Number eight it takes time and effort to find the right doctors and to get the right diagnoses and also the right medications, trial and error and it is not a quick fix. So once again you are very eroneous, So please go somewhere else to bash others who are trying to help people who have severe problems who are trying to find answers, not to be put down. Thank-You. I will not waste anymore time with you as you are not worth it!!!!!! Bye!!!!
Apparently, I hit a nerve!!! I used to be just as angry and offended by advice when I was in the midst of my addictions, too. It's called "defensiveness" - and it speaks volumes.
Originally Posted by acapelo
I'll stand by my posts and my "reputation" on this site, thank you very much. If you did a wee bit of research of the help I give on this site, you'd see I am NOT a basher, not in the least. I do not come here to dally in bashing fellow addicts. I come here to help others who are struggling with drug addiction - period. I see you have posted exactly twice. Perhaps you don't know me in the least, aside from this one thread.
I've been clean and sober many years. When I post here, it is with a very clear head and a solid background, working in the field substance abuse as a professional. I've overcome one helluva lot in my lifetime, including chronic pain and a litany of "labels" and "diagnosises." I don't spout them here, as I personally find labels to be very constricting to one's personal growth. Too many people stay stuck in their cubicle of a label and never venture past it. All the medication in the world is not going to "fix" some things. Some things take time, take effort, take patience and education.
It's quite rare that I speak up against someone in this forum. In fact, this is one of the few threads in over 200 posts I've made, that I've come on strong against the advice being offered. That is because your kind of "advice" is outrageous.
If you choose to spend the rest of your life "numbed out" by valium and oxycodone, that's your business. (Just warn me before you go out in a car and kill someone I care for.) But when you come here trying to convince others that your way (via valium and oxycodone) is the right one - that's when I spoke up. I'll be damned if I'm going to idly sit by as someone dispenses such shallow, ill-conceived advice that could easily harm another person.
I stand my ground on my last post.
NOTE: Review the drug information available through this site. Both are dangerous drugs. They are far more dangerous when used together. They are not intended for long-term use. Both are "highly addictive" especially in people who have already demonstrated a history of addiction (such as alcoholism). Both sedate the central nervous system and respiration, which can lead to a coma - or death.
Hi. I'm a 55 y.o. woman. My name is Susan. I have severe depression, OCD, GAD, & PTSD (kidnapped & raped). Have had all of these except PTSD since I was a child. They became prominent in the late 80's. Since then, been in weekly therapy, group therapy, and been given meds.
Tricyclics, MAOI's, SSRI's, & SNRI's. Taken all of these meds for the full amt. of time to reach full effectiveness. They've had no effect on me at all except for the following:
Prozac-jittery, Parnate-phys. ill. Under the effects of Paxil, almost lost my job while raising 2 children on my own. Was performing live classical music (piano). I was reading the music, & suddenly my fingers started playing gibberish. Been playing since I was 2 y.o., reading since 7 y.o. When this happened, I'd been reading for 33 yrs. (A side-note: Minored in psychology, my best friend is a retired psychologist, has refractory depression).
A couple of nites after this humiliating event (I'd been a professional teacher/performer in the community for about 20 yrs.), Paxil made me feel suicidal (for the 1st time ever). Forced myself to call a crisis line, someone came to my house to help me thru this.
(For those of you who think I may be lacking in spirituality, I DO have a satisfying belief system, but depression is depression).
After going thru the gamut of antidepressants for 23 yrs., I DID try to end my life, but stopped short of dying and had a friend take me to emergency.
A few yrs ago, had a severe shoulder injury which disabled my arm & hand: Now piano w/ only one hand, no more saxophone, flute, guitar. Instead of x-rays, MRI, phys. therapy, doc simply put me on Vicodin. I've been on disability for depression since 1999. W/ the "poor man's" insurance, been unable to get docs to do nothing except prescribe opiates.
After 1 yr on Vicodin, pharmacist recommended I switch to Norco, less chance of liver damage cuz of the smaller dosage of acetaminophen. 2 more years on pain meds.
Desperate for phys. pain relief w/o drugs, I went off the meds, sought the help of a chiropractor. I went in w/ the 1 original pain & came out w/ 3 additional pain sites right after the 7th visit of a 10-week commitment to him. Back on pain meds.
One day that will go down in history, I took Norco for the phys. pain. (BTW, I've NEVER had to increase the dosage, contrary to what some of you swear by - same w/ 1 mg of benzos for anxiety for 23 yrs - I'll swear to what ever you'd like me to swear to, polygraph, you name it). On this day, which was busy/hectic w/ holiday celebrations, accidentally took an extra Norco. FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, I felt relief from depression, OCD, and PTSD. What a shock. Didn't feel high, just acted the way people w/o depression act. I wanted to get outta bed, take care of personal hygiene, socialize, go outside.
So, after 23 yrs of 4 types of antidepressants, this is where I stand. When I've taken an extra Norco for mental pain, people comment on how clear, happy, outgoing I am. I KNOW my mind and body, and have heard the feedback from friends/family. They don't know I'm back on Norco - they think I'm off of it cuz they don't know the chiropractor quadrupled my pain. My husband (8 yrs) finally confessed that he likes who I am, that I don't act high, just normal, everyday Susan. BTW, we don't use alcohol, street drugs, or coffee. He doesn't even take OTC drugs.
Does anyone know of a psychiatrist who will prescribe opiates for mental pain? I'm on the west coast but will scrape up the $ to travel to someone who will understand/believe what I'm dealing with.
I know that acapelo posted his/her email earlier to see if the original poster of this thread could connect him/her with a doc who could help.
Thanks to drugs.com, and thanks for reading this. I'd appreciate any help. You can respond to me here, or my email is: firstname.lastname@example.org.
He's been taking them for 10 years and says he's not addicted? Ok, lets see him go cold turkey and see what happens.
Originally Posted by methadonfriendly826
To Susan (spiralsue)
After 23 years of regular benzo use, it is no wonder why your depression is resistant to ordinary medications. I pray, for your sake, you read Dr. Ashton's site on this topic: http://www.benzo.org.uk/index.htm Dr. Ashton is considered one of the foremost worldwide authorities on benzodiazepenes.
Rather than compound your benzo use with greater opiate use, I hope you'll be open-minded to reading through this site, at the very least, the FAQs listed there. It clearly states:
"IF MY DOCTOR HAS PRESCRIBED A BENZODIAZEPINE AND INSTRUCTED ME TO TAKE IT FOR A MEDICAL AND/OR PSYCHOLOGICAL REASON, IS THERE ANY REASON I SHOULD DISREGARD MY DOCTOR'S ADVICE AND DISCONTINUE THE BENZODIAZEPINE?
Yes, there may be. Unfortunately, there are many well-intended physicians who simply do not understand the seriousness of long-term benzodiazepine use.
Regular benzodiazepine use almost always causes some degree of deterioration in cognitive functioning, which progresses with continued use.
Long term benzodiazepine use also causes lethargy and decreased energy levels that result in impairment in work productivity and disinclination towards exercise.
Furthermore, benzodiazepines, and all other classes of sedatives, frequently cause and/or worsen depression. This is why people are often given antidepressants after being given a benzodiazepine for anxiety.
Benzodiazepines can also cause what is sometimes referred to as a "emotional anaesthesia", or "emotional blunting," in which the user's ability to experience powerful emotions is impaired....Long-term benzodiazepine users often describe their experience as "sleepwalking through life".
Benzodiazepine use can also cause what are referred to as "paradoxical" symptoms...including increased anxiety..."
Further, it states:
"However, one effect is common to virtually all users: a physical dependency will eventually form.
I can not IMAGINE taking this medication for 23 years, even if taken completely as directed. You are physically addicted, and quite likely, psychologically addicted as well. [Incidentally, I NEVER abused my prescription for benzos, either - but still, my body was dependent on them, and I had to endure withdrawal to stop them.] According to Dr. Ashton, that's inevitable. Withdrawal will be difficult, and must be done carefully, under close supervision.
On top of this, you are taking Norco - a powerful opiate, that also lends itself toward depression. Wow. The combination of both is CERTAINLY a major factor in your drug-resistant depression. Those 4 anti-depressants that you have tried didn't have a chance in the world of helping, as long as you were continuing to take the benzodiazepenes.
Before you jump to increase the norcos, get to know what these current medications are doing to you. It is no wonder it is difficult to find a psychiatrist willing to prescribe norco for depression - it is NOT medically advisable to do. That ought to say something to you.
I pray you read through Dr. Ashton's site, and take heed of his information. God bless.
My mom has been on hydros for 12 years and she takes the meds just like the doc ordered them, anyone that has been taking any drug for that long is addicted to the drug physically and mentally addicted, allthougth she takes the meds just like the doc ordered them, i dont care what other people say, just because someone can take there meds without over doing it does not mean that they are not addicted
So happy 4 U- but When Life Looks Like Easy Street Danger is at Your Door!
I had pain problems and have been treated for pain with opiates - now when trying to get off them they leave me with thoughts of suicide and soooo much depression. So, while I am sooooooo happy for you, be very careful since your body will require more to sustain the same effects after time. You WILL NOT want to go off these EVER since your depression will probably increase 10000x due to the receptors for the opiates not being filled, on top of what you currently have in terms of current depression and what is causing it. I do not want to hear you say you are having to take more to sustain the euphoria - that is not the word you want to use - normalcy and happiness is what you need. Opiates are dangerous and addictive and if not taken correctly - or where one thinks ' if one makes me feel this happy two will be better' is the wrong way to go.
Although, God is not the end all of answers, that for sure - a cause for wars, guaranteed and obvious. However, to think that faith in GOD will help someone with your obviously medical conditions that requires and needs treatment is ridiculous and self-serving to those didnt/dont have the serious nature that you obviously exhibit. So, do what helps you best, but monitor your treatment with a reputable doctor and dont let the new drug dealers of America take over your life. Enjoy your new found happiness, however, proceed with caution in every step of your life.
Go out and fly a kite on a nice day or watch a sunset. It all evolved for us to enjoy and science can be a marvelous thing. However, there are people who want to make money selling prescriptions in these days. Make sure you know and are seeing the most/best highly trained doctor who prescribes your medications and has YOUR best interests in mind.
I lived in Newport Beach for years - I hope if you get the chance you will learn how to surf and go do things like that with your new found freedom.
Peace and Love
Ok. I read the whole link you posted. Happy?
I made an error in my previous post, and will no longer post here. I may read posts, but will no longer contribute. My error was that I've been on benzos for 19 yrs; 4 yrs AFTER being given antidepressants. So, 23 yrs on antidepressants, & didn't just take 4 antidepressants, PERIOD, as you stated, but was given MANY different antidepressants of each of those 4 classes of antidepressants. Depression started BEFORE severe panic attacks; suffocating-type breathing, almost checked out completely, twice. FORTUNATELY, was in the presence of therapists when these first 2 episodes occured, (1st time private, 2nd time group) and needed assistance from therapists both times. Medics were on the way). To get you up-to-date, was just weaned off of Cymbalta after 3 months on it, after experiencing migraines for THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE. I know what they are because my Dad had them, as does my best friend/psychologist. My psychiatrist doesn't know what to do now. She never even made a follow-up app't. for me. This is the first time I've EVER had a psych doc do THAT. She thought for sure that the Cymbalta would work. During our last visit, when I told her that it was (at the time) having NO effect, she seemed annoyed with me FOR MY HONESTY. And she swears that the 1/2-1mg tab/day of klonopin (which I take only as needed) that she prescribes has no "cancelling out" effect on Cymbalta. She's young, has studied in Europe and UC Berkeley. Have you ever been to Europe? I have, and they have quite different views there on psych. meds. And, remember, I minored in psychology at a prestigious university on the East coast. Actually, I was lucky to be in excellent public schools there, and was able to BEGIN my studies in psychology and psychiatry IN THE EIGHTH GRADE. Susan
I reread my previous post - and can not understand what I said that offended you - but clearly, you didn't like what I had to say. My post was not intended as a judgement or attack; it was out of true concern that I wrote. I have nothing to gain by belittling you, and, in truth, nothing to gain by helping you. I'm just trying to pass on what I've learned... that literally saved my life... take it or leave it. God bless.
Originally Posted by spiralsue
Sorry for Resurrecting an old thread but i simply couldn't stand the ignorance that artist was spewing out of his/her mouth and made an account just to tell her/him that. look if the person has tried all the other "conventional" methods of treating their depression and none of them have worked, why is it so hard for you to accept that an opiate is doing what the anti- depressants and other medications are supposed to do? In all honesty it really does seem like you have a superiority complex and get a kick out of vomiting all of your non nonsensical "advise" and your so called "experience" on this forum thinking that your saving peoples lives. But i digress if people think and feel and actually see an improvement in their lives from taking opiates without feeling the need to get a "high" from them and are able to control their dose and keep it stable then why not let them?
hugs and kisses from the opium and marijuana smoking jesus
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If my post from 15 months ago can irritate and enrage you enough to create an account and post your critique, then feel free to post away. I hope it relieved some of your annoyance to evaluate my education and pass judgement on my knowledge, as it sure looks like you need to let some steam out.
Originally Posted by Blissicodone
My comments are not subjective opinions or anecdotal theories of possible difficulties - it's based on bona fide facts about the basic nature of narcotics. I don't have any superiority complex; I do have many years of education and experience in the substance abuse field. If someone's knowledge in a specific field comes across to you as a "superiority complex," it sounds to me like your problem is with you, not me.
And your signature line speaks volumes.
You stated you have lived a life of misery up to the opiates and nothing else works. If your depression was severe I am sure you were at risk of suicide.Keep in mind, well intentioned advice will not prevent suicide in any way, shape, form or fashion. If I am depressed to the point of suicide I go with results not theory. Someone that has not experienced severe depression has no idea the misery, they mistakenly assume they do. You better go with what works for you. Would you rather have a shorter happy life or a long miserable one ? No one has to suffer your pain and have nothing to lose if you live or die. A person suffering with severe depression with no relief has nothing to lose. They are already dead, just still breathing.
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I am very interested in your story. I have a brother who in on the verge of suicide if he doesn't get the opiates he desperatly needs. I would like to talk to you more in depth.
I'm new to this site and stumbled across this thread. I've been suffering from major depression an anxiety for over 20 years.
I have tried everything and nothing seems to work. Currently I'm taking Paxil 60mg, Serzone 200mg, Klonopin 2mg and Abilify 5 mg.
Last year I had a total hip replacement and was taking morphine and oxycodone for about 2 months. I was then put on Vicodin for a few months.
I can tell you from experience, opiates do help with depression. I'm now off pain meds and back to feeling miserable.
I have to admit, I will take a Vicodin once in a while for my depression and it helps tremendously.
I'm on so many meds and have so many side effects, I can stand it any more.
Some of these meds are very addictive and I'm wondering what they are doing to my body.
I'm happy to see research being done on opiates and depression, I feel there is a therapeutic use for these drugs. People bring up addiction, when it comes to opiates. Heck, I would rather be addicted to something that helps rather then being addicted to a drug that doesn't help.
It was another post (that has fortunately been deleted by the DDCMod) that brought me back to this thread. But once here, I read this post and wanted to mention something, in response.
Originally Posted by TabithaNY
There is a world of difference between drug dependency and drug addiction. The antidepressants you mention lend themselves toward dependency - not addiction. Dependence occurs when a person experiences physical withdrawal symptoms when they stop the drug. Their body has become "dependent" upon the drug to function normally.
The major difference that denotes drug addiction is the mental preoccupation with using the drug - it's the "obsessive-compulsive" piece that is not present with simple drug dependence. This obsession to use the drug is the defining difference that spells addiction. This does not occur with anti-depressants.
You can not possibly understand the depths of turmoil that addiction to a drug will bring to your life - if all you've experienced is drug dependency. With addiction, the drug becomes the #1 focus of your days; it comes before anything else.
The one drug that you mentioned that falls into either category is klonopin. This drug is highly addictive, and also lends itself to swift dependency. Klonopin is a benzodiazepene drug, and is intended ONLY for short term use, in acute anxiety.
If you are experiencing profound depression, klonopin is likely to be a major culprit. These drugs (benzos) often rebound over time, and actually increase the symptoms that we were aiming to control. Klonopin also fuels depression. Think about it; its tranquilizing effect is a close cousin to depression.
Long before I'd offer myself as a "guinea pig" to use powerful, addictive opiates to fight depression, I would discuss how to go about stopping the klonopin with my doctor. A long, supervised tapering is necessary, but you may find that once the klonopin is out of your body, much of your depression has resolved itself.
In the meantime, I suggest you enter all these meds into the "drug interactions checker" on this site, as I wonder how these different meds are interacting with each other. it sounds to me as if this mix may cause a serious risk for "serotonin syndrome" and/or depression of your central nervous system.
I'd prefer to see someone clean and sober - and cursing me because I told them what they needed to hear ~
rather than see someone still lost in addiction - and liking me because I told them what they wanted to hear.
I did not read any of the posts here, but if you are a heroin or opiate addict, and you really want to get depressed, just wait until you find out what is in store if you ever go to have surgery !!! Wheeeew!
Pro Rida, MD.
That is the most ignorant statement I have ever heard from a so-called medical professional.
Originally Posted by prorida
Originally Posted by angeinbama
IF this "prorida" person is a medical professional (and we have no way of knowing), she could use a few dozen classes on the topic of THE DISEASE OF ADDICTION - as well as learning how to explain her point. I can't even decipher what her "Wheeeew!" message means.
Just looked at her history to read her other post on this forum - and WOW - it's even more ignorant!!!
If I sign my post as "President Ruth" - does that make me a president?!?!? Never mind, this week, I'll settle for this one...
Queen Ruth... lol
I'd prefer to see someone clean and sober - and cursing me because I told them what they needed to hear ~
rather than see someone still lost in addiction - and liking me because I told them what they wanted to hear.
Involve yourself in meditation or just close your eyes in front of god and think of him will help to reduce your mental stress.
I have read through this whole thread. Opiates have been used for thousands of years for depression. Many studies have been done on the subject that show that it does indeed work. Obviously from most of the people who have posted on this thread shows proof of that.
I have had extreme depression my whole life and PTSD. I tried everything just as many of you have to no avail. I hurt my back when I was 30 years old and was prescribed hydrocodone. I have been using it for 15 years now and all I can say is it has worked for me. I use no other medication,or drugs of any kind. I haven't had to up the dose. I'm still on the same dosage as I was when I first started it. I don't even have to take it everyday. I can only speak for myself that its been a lifesaver for me. My mom has also been on it for 10 years now with no problems. It obviously works for many people. If you've tried everything else and your still living in misery you've got nothing to lose. There is no reason to live that way. It may be what works for you too. Only you can know what works best for you as we are all fighting our own unique battles.
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