[Businessman1]

Thanks Melinda - I'll google it now

[Businessman1]

Hey Beth

The Suboxone Withdrawl thread you mentioned, is that a thread on this site?

[nelly005]

click on Community at top of page
then click on Featured Conditions, I just posted there so my name may come up on right side. It's a big one with 600+ posts.

[Businessman1]

I wanted to keep her away from this website. I know what's she's like, she'll never just stick to reading one thread. She researches everything. She'll know more than Robert by the end of the day...

[nelly005]

If Melindas suggestion doesn't work feel free to email me. Just click on my screen name....I think. I'm still new at this.
Beth

[Businessman1]

I don't think this site lets you do that unfortunately

[nelly005]

bethnelson87@comcast.net

[nelly005]

oh, and let me know on this thread what story you're telling her as to how you started talking to a woman from Ca. Cousin of a guy at work?? I only know NYC as we travel there every couple of years and there's a Duane Reade (sp?) on every corner, but I doubt if she'd believe I met you in the pharmacy line..lol.
Did you check Melindas suggestion?

[in2deep]

Originally Posted by Businessman1

It does! What is the propanolol for? Not one I've heard of.

I think my issue with being too tired from valium might be the mix of Oxycotin, Hydromorphone, Antibiotics and Valium all at the same time. When I say it like that it sounds like enough stuff to kill a donkey... no wonder I'm tired!

I was told to take the valium "as needed" for muscle spasm. I didn't really know what that meant until I had my op. It hurts! and the valium does help.

I'm hoping when I stop the opiates, the valium will stop knocking me out for the day. It's good to know that your doc told you they would stop the cravings. I hope it does that for me. I've had soooo many opiates over the last week. I wish they'd find a way to make operations not painful!

My doc gave me the propanolol for rls, its a beta-blocker, she said it would help me avoid having panic attacks as it slows your heart beat slightly, she said it blocked adrenaline which would cause my rls, it has been a godsend, rls has been a mild discomfort for me but nothing like i experienced when i tried to go c/t without. I couldnt tell you though if valium works on its own to do the same thing as i have been taking them together. Ive moved house today with my boyf & have been finding codeine everywhere, if it wasnt for these 2 drugs i would have taken them but im pleased to say im still going strong & im sure you will do the same. Each time i bin a codeine pill it makes me even more positive that i will never take one again. Happy days are on the way for the pair of us, im sure of that!

[Businessman1]

Yes, Melinda's suggestion was good. That site is similar to this one so it might do the trick.

I might not try and make up a story about how I met a random lady from CA. lol.

This site also looked good as it's all just factual.

http://back-pain.emedtv.com/oxycodon...ithdrawal.html

[Businessman1]

Hey in2deep you'll have to change your screen name to "used2tobein2deep"!

It’s great that you’re still going strong – that’s two days straight without a bad spell. Sounds like you’re really turning a corner. What has your boyfriend had to say about it?

It’s crazy that you were finding codeine all over the house – were you hiding yourself little treats for later?

What part of the UK did you move to?

I watched a documentary last night on A&E on demand about “interventions” with Heroin addicts. All of them on the show started by taking Oxycotin. It scared the hell out of me. I need to be opiate free before I hit 30. These kids moved onto Heroin because it was cheaper of all things….

[in2deep]

Originally Posted by Businessman1

Hey in2deep you'll have to change your screen name to "used2tobein2deep"!

Its great that youre still going strong  thats two days straight without a bad spell. Sounds like youre really turning a corner. What has your boyfriend had to say about it?

Its crazy that you were finding codeine all over the house  were you hiding yourself little treats for later?

What part of the UK did you move to?

I watched a documentary last night on A&E on demand about interventions with Heroin addicts. All of them on the show started by taking Oxycotin. It scared the hell out of me. I need to be opiate free before I hit 30. These kids moved onto Heroin because it was cheaper of all things.

My boyf has not really mentioned it, ive had to keep reminding him what is going on with me so when i almost collapsed & had a nose bleed, i never have nose bleeds, after carrying a sofa up some stairs i got a bit narky because he was getting mad with me for getting tired so quick..... I think we both imagined giving each other a slap yesterday. I know he loves me, thats all that counts. I think i just had that many pills id forgotten about them, i use to hide them if my boyf came in to the room whilst i was taking them so they have all just reappeared. I live near leeds, i've moved from the centre of town, very busy & noisey to the outskirts, i now have huge parks on my doorstep, its all tree lined roads, very green with squirrels!! At my last house it was all concrete & car parks & just abit horrible. New house, new life, going to start running around the parks with the dog eventually, my boyf almost collapsed laughing when i told him.... Ill show him!! Hope you are doing ok : )

[Businessman1]

The first night club I ever went to was in Leeds in 1995 called Back to Basics at the Pleasure Rooms - I was 15 and had never seen anything like it! Someone told me they changed it's name to Heaven and Hell. Do they still have that Majestics club in the center? Am I sounding old? I had a friend that lived in Alwoodley

I feel rough today. My back hurts and my pain meds aren't really helping. I'm trying not to increase my dose in preparation for starting my tapering process. My daily dose has already been increased from my operation to more than I ever thought I'd be taking. I keep looking at my bottle of hydromorphone because I know that is the best I have for pain but I also don't want to start relying on another med.

I went for a walk yesterday and think I overdid it a bit. I tell you, never get an operation - they suck! The good news is I think I'm getting some feeling back in my foot which means the op seems to be working!

[in2deep]

hey robert, hows your back today? Is it getting any better? I hope so. I only moved to leeds in 99 so im not sure if those nightclubs are still about, i know back to basics still goes on as an event at different nightclubs i think, im not sure. I go to very "underground" places, i love music, i love house music, i dont know if its a big thing in the US, it is not "techno". I dont go out anymore because its just not the same without coke or x when everyone around you is on something its hard to not do it yourself, it is for me anyway so at 25 yrs old ive become somewhat of a hermit! ; ) Hope you are feeling abit today anyway : )

[Businessman1]

Hey I feel loads better today thanks. just in time for me to start my tapering process. I'm excited to get my staples out tomorrow. I just realized that I've only had 20mg of Oxy so far today and I don't feel bad yet.

How's your mood today?

I wouldn't know what music people listen to in clubs here. I'm more of a bar guy these days. Clubs stopped being fun when I stopped taking speed and X. I haven't had either of those things for years. I couldn't imagine dancing all night now - probably for the best with my back!

where did the "hey robert" come from?

[Businessman1]

Ok my big day has arrived - I'm getting my staples out tomorrow which means it's time to start tapering off Oxycodone.
(I can't decide which face)

A lot of you have given me great advice, all of which I plan on listening to.

I have a few more questions before I start. I'm most worried about the anxiety, depression and insomnia part. The physical symptoms I think I can deal with. I've read through some old threads but can't find answers to these.

So, does anyone know if it is dangerous to mix Valium, Cyclobenzaprine and Tylenol pm with my reducing amounts of Oxycodone? I'm thinking that it might help in the evening when I'm not busy and start to miss that sedating effect.

I have to go out for drinks with clients a lot. What does drinking do to this process (if anything). Has anyone here ever tried to drink through w/d?

I plan on using Valium every day through my w/d process. I'm going to ask my doc for more tomorrow. I think 5mg in the eve to help me relax will be enough. Is taking 5mg /day for 9 weeks going to get me addicted to valium? (that I don't need..) Also, will I build up a tolerance to the valium like with opiates making my 5mg of valium pointless? If that works I'm going to call it the businessman recipe to give that Thomas guy a little competition!

I plan on dropping 10mg per week. Is this aggressive enough? At my current rate it will take me 9-10 weeks to stop completely.

Finally, when I get to the end of this, can someone give me a view as to how bad I'll feel? Will the fact that I've tapered slowly mean that I won't feel any w/d or will I still have to go through w/d but just less dramatic?

oh and one more. This may sound really stupid but on that TV show House, there was an episode where they gave a teenage supermodel some med to make her/him instantly withdraw from Heroin in hours. Does that really exist?

[in2deep]

hey BUSINESSMAN1, i dont know why i put robert, sorry about that. It was a really hot day here the other day, i took 8mg of valium & had 2 bottles of beer & within an hour i was fast asleep in the middle of the day. The next day i took 4mg valium & just had one beer & i felt kind of functional, my eyes just felt a bit heavy. Insomnia is a **********, if you can get something for that that doesnt react with your other stuff that would be good, zopiclone is what i use. Anxiety/depression? Well i think they go hand in hand, theres like a crossover of symptoms, i suffer more from anxiety then depression. I cant tell you how to cope with these because im trying to cope with them myself, valium defo helps with anxiety for me but i am so down at the minute. I know it will get better, that it is just my brain repairing itself but some disturbing thoughts have been flashing through my head & i just have to kind of block them out & occupy myself. It will probably be a lot different for you, i went ct & your tapering plus i was already a f***ed up, very unstable individual at school before these problems began anyway, i still am now. You seem quite a grounded person, i think you will do it, i have no doubt about that

[nelly005]

Good Morning,

There's an Interaction Checker link at the top of this page and is easy to follow. When the drug you type in comes up you'll notice the first paragraph is for Major Interactions. Try to stay away from these as they will be the ones to cause the most problems (respiration issues??) You'll find the largest paragraph (novel??!!) is the Moderate group. A lot of these are repeats of each other...8 different morphines etc... If your second drug of choice falls in there you should be OK if you don't take more than reccomended dose.
When my Dr. gave me Pristiq for depression I looked it up and there were soooooo many in moderate group, even Visine and tylenol?! I called my Dr. and a she said not to worry about that catagory so long as I don't take over the reccomended dose of anything. Check the interactions today so you can ask your Dr. tomorrow.

As far as drinking, my first week off all opiates I spent in Palm Desert on vacation (holiday for you in2deep) I spent a lot of time reading by the pool and each afternoon I had a cocktail with lunch and all I wanted to do after is sleep. The temp was hovering in the 105 range so that could have been an issue. Also w/d's and alcohol can cause stomach issues, make sure you have that immodium! I didn't drink much while I was on opiates and would tell others I wasn't drinking due to meds I was on, no one ever asked what.

I think you have such a great attitude toward this that you'll have fewer problems than most. When a person wants to do something rather than being told to do it, it makes for less depression.

9 weeks seems like a long time, but since it's so soon after surgery?? If you have a problem with wanting to take more and being angry about it you may want to go faster (10mg every 4 days?) We're all different and if you have no problem you're doing the right thing!!

Valium for 9 weeks seems like you will just be trading one problem for another. I don't think you should start the valium until you're in w/ds or not able to sleep due to RLS or anxiety. My guess would be 2 weeks if you can't follow the 4 -5 days in Thomas Rec.

Have you been eating those healthy immunity building, inflamation fighting foods?? The sooner the better!

Gosh you've had those staples in for a long time!! I'd maggage some Vit. E oil or something to soften skin up so it doesn't stick! Let us know how it goes!

Could you call it Bizman or ?? Businessman just too long.lol

[Businessman1]

Hey in2deep

I've never really suffered from either depression or anxiety before. The Oxy definitely gives me some anxiety but I'm sure it will go once I'm done with all the meds. I just don't have time to deal with it while I'm going through w/d. My doc told me today that dropping 20mg /week shouldn't be a problem for me. Then to drop 5MG/week once I get down to 20mg. She also told me to take more valium instead of adding Flexeril into the mix.

Don't be so quick to tell yourself that your all "f**ked up". I clearly don't know everything about your situation but I think you're young enough to fix whatever the problem is. I have a friend who was convinced she was messed up. She convinced her doctors to put her on antidepressants which she was on for years. They never did her any good. I think she just hated her life situation. Then one day she met this guy, got married and moved to a big house in Connecticut. She then stopped the meds and hasn't "needed" them since. Remember, you have already gone through the worst part of w/d on your own so you can't be that messed up!

Drop me an email if you want to talk at drugsdotcom@live.com - I'll then reply with my real contact details.

[Businessman1]

Hey Beth

I don't really understand that interactions checker. It seems ok if I want to check two drugs but it doesn't seem to help me if I want to see what happens if I take 4 meds together - I don't want to end up like Keith Ledger!

I have been taking Valium for the last 2 weeks anyway - it was prescribed for muscle spasm. My surgeon prefers it to flexeril - they said it was a "cleaner drug" whatever that means. I was having trouble sleeping before my op without the mix of flexeril and oxy. Now I just replaced flexeril with Valium.

I just had the staples out. They told me not to put any creams etc on it for 6 weeks so I'll have to keep the Frankenstein style scar. I plan on telling everyone it's an old war injury to make me sound extra cool.

I have been doing the healthy eating thing. We always eat healthy anyway but I've added a few of the suggested items too.

Sleeping due to a cocktail doesn't sound so bad. If I can't sleep I guess I can just break out the brandy.

How are you feeling today?.

[nelly005]

I always get mixed up with the GMT...today, tomorrow???!!! I thought staples were coming out and you were seeing Dr. on Thursday.

I'd always ask your Dr. about interactions or on your next message here title your page "Robert, Help!!" He'll see it and answer, he seems to have knowledge of all things medicinal! Whatever you do mix your meds at low doses and if you feel tightness in chest/breath be very careful, breathing is pretty darn important.
We've been freezing fresh watermelon in chunks and using that instead of ice in margueritas lately and those nights I do sleep better!
My 19 yr. old daughter came in at 5am from San Diego (college is over for summer) she wanted to be here today for her dad's bday. And chocolate cake!!

My Dr. explained to me a "cleaner" drug doesn't stick to your brain cells for a long period of time. Making detox and w/d's easier. Sorry, her explanation was much better but that is what I came away with.


I can honestly say I haven't thought about taking any drug for weeks now and even forget to take my vitamins sometimes. In the weeks after meds just taking OTC stuff makes you feel better...placebo effect?
And due to reduced red meat and healthy foods my pain is manageble with 2 tylenol 2x's a day!! If that, somedays...nothing.

Any idea what Ledger's "mix" was?

[Businessman1]

Not sure exactly what Ledgers mix was but I know it included Oxycodone.

I'm on the east coast (EST) which is 3 hours ahead of you. in2deep is GMT which is 5 hours ahead of me (so 8 ahead of you).

It's great that you have no more cravings.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Businessman1

I don't really understand that interactions checker. It seems ok if I want to check two drugs but it doesn't seem to help me if I want to see what happens if I take 4 meds together - I don't want to end up like Keith Ledger!


.........................................

You can put as many drugs in the interaction checker as you want. Don't click on to actually complete the interaction check until you've listed all the meds. Just look at it closely you'll see your mistake easily. I've had close to 20 on there at one time. God bless.

[Businessman1]

Ok I'll try again - thanks Robert!

I won't ask who was on 20 meds at the same time!

[nelly005]

Hi Businessman,
I hope you're doing well!! My 19 yr.old daughter came home from school Wed. so we've been catching up and getting her settled.
I noticed on another thread you've been having a couple of bad days and had begun your taper. Are you working yet, if not how long til you have to go back?
Make sure you have your sleepytime tea for evenings and take a long hot shower before bed.
Get a bunch of good books to read, a great way to lose yourself and not think of your feelings! Same with good movies, action or comedy, no heavy thinking stuff.
It's not easy regardless of how well we've planned and the strength we know we have, but in just a couple of weeks you'll truely feel better, I know right now that sounds like forever, but it's not! Soon you'll be giving advice to people where you are right now, and that makes it so worthwhile.

On a funny note; my girls and I had matching tatoos put on our ankles yesterday....IMAGINE PEACE! I think I'm the only woman I know with a tatoo! lol Last summer we were at the pool of our timeshare in Maui (I think I had one two many mai tais??) And my older daughter mentioned we should get them and we were doing that mother-daughter bonding thing....It took a year to convince me after the mai tais wore off! I kept saying ...but it's forever and then Wed. my daughter said, But Mom, in your case forever is not that long. After I finished laughing and realizing she was right, I said yes. It hurt having it done and I did wish for some vicodin...but glad I didn't have any!!

I just saw your email...check yours.
Beth

[Businessman1]

Hey Beth

I've been working from home - I can do that for a while with my job.

I plan on going back into the office next week.

Tapering sucks and I hate you all! (that was a joke btw )

My trouble with movies is that I've seen everything so I'm down to watching the ********py straight to DVD movies... I'm so bored and can't wait to get back to work and a normal life.

Robert has been giving me some advice on my irrespirable use of benzos to get through my tapering. They have been turning me into a 90 year old lady. I keep forgetting everything! I have to keep a diary of what I'm taking so I keep to my taper.

Basically everything that tastes good or is fun is bad for you.

It's brave of you to get a tattoo, I wouldn't do that!

I checked my email but didn't see anything from you. I'll check again later.

[nelly005]

LOL, you'll hate everything and everybody before you become yourself again!!
And see I didn't even know how to spell tattoo, another lol. I can't believe a guy under 30 without a tattoo?? Good for you! If they're still in vogue when your 50...go for it!
As far as movies go, my first taste of reality after opiates was wanting to laugh as much as possible. I watched comedies I never thought I'd laugh at and did. Like the movies my 21 year old son thinks are funny...infantile type stupid and sick humor.
I'll check and make sure the email was sent, my computers been running slow and strange. I checked for updates and virus' this am and all was ok but??

[Businessman1]

Hey everyone, just wanted to give you an update as you've all been kind enough to give me advice.

I'm on day 5 of my taper program and have decided to be a little more aggressive with my schedule. I was going to drop 10mg per week but as I've always said, half-drunk is a waste of money!

So anyway, I've dropped my dose again today to 65mg (from a starting point of 90-100mg). It's 9.30pm and I've just taken my last dose for the day. So far I feel ok. I still have pain but now that I've dropped my dose, the meds do nothing so no point in prolonging it for no reason. I'm really craving more oxy right now but I'm not going to have any as the meth I'm using is way more fun (that last bit was a joke).

I plan to drop my dose again on Wednesday once I'm used to 65mg.

I'm not planning on giving daily updates as that would be really boring but I'll update again in a week or so.

Thanks again for everyone’s help.

[melinda7.5]

Hey businessman
LOL... I had to read that part like three times before I seen where you said it was a joke...

Glad you doing good on your taper...
Talk to you later, Melinda

[nelly005]

You sound like you're doing great!!??
To make (good) jokes on your 5th day in is amazing.
When I got down to 4 (40mg) of norco per day it was like taking nothing so I understand why you want to hurry it a bit. Just remember you'll start hurting more soon due to starting w/d's if you go too fast and that might mess up your good intentions....slow and steady...
Beth