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    how many days until it's reasonably clear that one is not going to have a seizure? 1 day? 2 days? a week? there has to be a point at which the stuff is out of your system. I'll get a lot of flak for this, but why should I assume that supervision from a quack is going to be any better or even as good as my own judgement?

    I do need some help from you guys though. guys and gals, I should say.

    I know, cold turkey is not for everyone. "don't try this at home" etc... but when I DO
    OCCASIONALLY use more than I am supposed to use, the doctor, and the pharmacy
    have no problem whatsoever with saying "oh well, rots o' ruck chummy" and let me suffer for 3 days anyway. if I can survive 3 days, why take it again?

    because it kills the with-drawls, obviously. then, the cycle begins anew.

    any cold turkey survivors out there? to be clear I am NOT recommending that ANYbody try this. I'm NOT giving advice. it can be potentially very dangerous. for "me personally" I feel tough enough to primal scream my way thru it. the doctors gonna give me the boot anyway, or worse, some other garbage to be addicted to that won't work at all, like Xanax XR. it's useless. the stuff should be banned. it doesn't work. so why bother?

    are there any brave and daring (aka crazy as bat*** anyway, so what's the dif?) boys and girls out there who have cold turkey'd this horrible stuff?

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    by the way, I apologize if this was offensive to anyone. I am pretty hacked off about the contradictions in terms with Xanax cessation. "oh no, you can't. you'll have a seizure!" then.....
    "oops! ran out too soon did ya? well , tough luck for you pal, har har!! "

    I've had enough of all of it. doctors, meds, pharmacies. it's a nightmare. any serious help would be very much appreciated. thanks so much!

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    Depending on how much xanax you have been taking you could experience seizures over a month after you stop abruptly. I certainly did. You need to be on a medication like depakote to prevent the likelihood of seizures if you are stopping cold turkey. And you need to get with an addiction specialist that knows what they are doing, not some flake that is practicing on you. Cold turkey from benzos is serious! Don't think you've got this beat in a week or whatever. It's just not that easy or simple. Benzo detox is a major deal! Hope that helps. God bless.
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    Thanks Robert. you talk pretty good sense. I'm pretending to be illiterate. maybe I really am, I don't know. if somehow the word spreads around the forum that I wish to apologize for being so sarcastic and caustically "witty" all the time. I'm not that witty. I'm very depressed, very angry, very disappointed in everything in life and completely and utterly unhappy. did I fail to mention scared out of my gourd? well, I am. I don't know where to look for an addiction specialist, but I'll start looking. to coin a phrase, or rather steal a line, what if this is as good as it gets?

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    The easiest way to do this is to get a longer acting benzo like klonopin or valium and taper slowly. Xanax has the shortest half life of all benzos. It's in and out of your system in a matter of 4-6 hours, thus you feel like you're in w/d if you don't dose every 4-6 hours. Xanax detox sucks. So you need to either taper slowly with either Klonopin, which has a half life of around 36 hours, or valium which has a half life of 50 hours or longer. Either go that route or get the depakote or you're asking for serious problems. God bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert_325 View Post
    The easiest way to do this is to get a longer acting benzo like klonopin or valium and taper slowly. Xanax has the shortest half life of all benzos. It's in and out of your system in a matter of 4-6 hours, thus you feel like you're in w/d if you don't dose every 4-6 hours. Xanax detox sucks. So you need to either taper slowly with either Klonopin, which has a half life of around 36 hours, or valium which has a half life of 50 hours or longer. Either go that route or get the depakote or you're asking for serious problems. God bless.
    do the quacks usually cut off yer xanax like here today gone tomorrow?
    then ba da bing, onto the klonapin?

    I've tried klonapin. it doesn't work. but perhaps it keeps one from having
    siezures, which was essentially the idea when it was invented. it also is a benzo, yes. but a very anemic one.

    again, I realize, the point is to get off xanax without snuffing it. but do ya go
    IMMEDIATELY off? or taper off? in CONJUNCtion with klonapin? or just klonapin?
    I guess I'll find out tomorrow at my pdocs office. golly I can't wait to go there agin.
    yay rejoice and so on

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilmo2008 View Post
    do the quacks usually cut off yer xanax like here today gone tomorrow?
    then ba da bing, onto the klonapin?

    I've tried klonapin. it doesn't work. but perhaps it keeps one from having
    siezures, which was essentially the idea when it was invented. it also is a benzo, yes. but a very anemic one.

    again, I realize, the point is to get off xanax without snuffing it. but do ya go
    IMMEDIATELY off? or taper off? in CONJUNCtion with klonapin? or just klonapin?
    I guess I'll find out tomorrow at my pdocs office. golly I can't wait to go there agin.
    yay rejoice and so on




    Let me know what they tell you and I'll tell you if you have a quack or not. God bless.
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    Default they're ALL quacks, aren't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert_325 View Post
    Let me know what they tell you and I'll tell you if you have a quack or not. God bless.
    you're gonna make me wait? please tell me now which idiot scenario is likely to play out. the immediate cessation? or the slow taper in conjunction with the de-caf, otherwise known as clonazepam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bilmo2008 View Post
    you're gonna make me wait? please tell me now which idiot scenario is likely to play out. the immediate cessation? or the slow taper in conjunction with the de-caf, otherwise known as clonazepam?



    If he is an idiot he will tell you to cold turkey and not give you anything for seizures. That is a fact. Let me know what he says. God bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert_325 View Post
    If he is an idiot he will tell you to cold turkey and not give you anything for seizures. That is a fact. Let me know what he says. God bless.
    you rascal

    I meant, do they cut WAY down on xanax and gradually switch you over to klonapin?
    or in other words, do ya take both drugs at the same time in lower doses?
    obviously lower doses. but both at the same time for "awhile"?? while the xanax is weaned?

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    my problems with xanax began when Effexor was replaced with Pristiq.
    Pristiq was the Windows Vista of the drug companies wars for the almighty dollar.
    I had to take it, because I could not afford Brand Name Effexor. there was no generic,
    not even in africa or canada or mexico, or any of the more advanced countries. the
    good old U S of A was the last to have generic effexor and it costs nearly as much as brand name. gee, I wonder why that might be????

    anyway, pristiq was so bad, I begged for anything generic. he picked citalopram. it also sucked, and I started to overuse the xanax. he got righteously indignant and self important and officious and started cutting the xanax by 1 mg per week without klonapin.

    I bailed, went to a new doctor, and she is not a quack. I'll let you know what she says.
    she really is not a quack and I shouldn't even use that word. but she IS a doctor and they were all anointed by God himself, so my doc can be just as annoying as any of them. and they're all annoying, competent or otherwise. but she's not a quack. doctors in general give me severe flatulence.

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    You know what would really help us out here, advising you? Is if you tell us A. How much and how often and how long your Xanax use has been. B. What did your Dr. say when you told her you wanted off the Xanax? Robert is correct: you should go on a longer acting benzo Valium or Klonipin and taper. The crossover might take a bit. Neither act as quickly as xanax does. Xanax c/t is nothing short of dangerous, even with seizure medication.

    Iloerose

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    Quote Originally Posted by iloerose View Post
    You know what would really help us out here, advising you? Is if you tell us A. How much and how often and how long your Xanax use has been. B. What did your Dr. say when you told her you wanted off the Xanax? Robert is correct: you should go on a longer acting benzo Valium or Klonipin and taper. The crossover might take a bit. Neither act as quickly as xanax does. Xanax c/t is nothing short of dangerous, even with seizure medication.
    Iloerose
    I have been taking that much for years. lately.....more than that. the idea to get off
    was not mine, but I now agree with it. I start Klonapin tomorrow 1and1/2 mgs
    in mrning and 2 mgs at night. same xanax regimen as before for 5 days, then?
    I forget what she said. I need to call. apparently it will be a slow taper. as I have stated before, idiots are thick on the ground in most arenas, in particular the medical field. but my doctor is not one of them. she is very concerned about my tolerance to 4mgs per day, but does not wish to snuff me with abrupt withdrawl. that was my own idiotic idea. I thought up that genius plan the last time the pharmacy would not refill early and I had to go to the ER. I said to myself "enough is enough" I thought, better to get it over with quick. but apparently that is not the case.

    my doc ( a lady) said it would still be hard, and take a long time, but that it will work. I certainly hope so.
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    Yes it will take a long time. But then with benzos slow and steady wins the race. Check out benzo.org/uk which has some provides some of the best info for benzo w/d. There is even a protocol for tapering you xanax as you cross over to the k-pin. Sounds like your doc is up on her stuff! What she is suggesting sounds similar to the Ashton model. It will be easier to get to the smaller doses on k-pin than on xanax because xanax has such a short half life and you have to live with the w/d's between doses. Good luck to you! Go for it!

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    bilmo ........ I agree with Rose about the benzo.org.uk site and Dr Heather Ashton's method for benzo tapering. The only thing about that specific protocol I disagree with is that I think it's just a little TOO slow, but I agree with the basic protocol. I'm not saying to rush through this as it's dangerous to go too quickly stopping benzos. I used to take over 20mg a day of xanax on top of about 10mg of klonopin and abused benzos for 25 years. It caused permanent CNS damage to me. Benzos are serious and you will need to taper slowly.

    Some people can do it a little more quickly than others. I've done this a lot of times here over the years. The best thing to do is see how you react to a taper based on YOUR symptoms for a couple weeks. Then we will better know how to have you taper properly. God bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bilmo2008 View Post
    do the quacks usually cut off yer xanax like here today gone tomorrow?
    then ba da bing, onto the klonapin?

    I've tried klonapin. it doesn't work. but perhaps it keeps one from having
    siezures, which was essentially the idea when it was invented. it also is a benzo, yes. but a very anemic one.

    again, I realize, the point is to get off xanax without snuffing it. but do ya go
    IMMEDIATELY off? or taper off? in CONJUNCtion with klonapin? or just klonapin?
    I guess I'll find out tomorrow at my pdocs office. golly I can't wait to go there agin.
    yay rejoice and so on
    Actually Kolonopin is equal in strength to xanax mg to mg the difference is that xanax is out of you in 6 hours where kolnopin lasts around 36. You can dose once a day w/ kolonopin and not go into w/d but not w/xanax.

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    I went cold turkey from about the same habit as you. It took 5 days for the intense withdraw to hit, after 3 days of no sleep or food I got 6 10mg valium to taper- 1 a day. After 2 weeks the withdraw hit without warning with seizures and had to call 911.
    I'm now tapered down to 1mg zanax every 3 days with the 8 the ER doc gave me, saving the last 2 incase the withdraw/seizures come back.
    You need to taper with valium if posable and always keep some kind of benzo stashed for emergency because stress can cause withdraw/seizures up to six months after your clean.

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