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Old 11-06-2007, 11:28 PM
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Default Kratom???

Does anybody have any experience with this? I am currently trying to wean myself off of Suboxone and am having a hard time getting below 1mg/day...is Kratom a viable alternative?

Could I switch to it and have an easier transition? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:58 PM
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Default Kratom, the "miracle herb" for opiate detox

I tried Kratom twice. It grows in Thailand, Burma and Malaysia and has been used for centuries when the locals ran out of opium or wanted to kick. It's also the "secret" ingredient in various herbal concoctions used all over SE Asia to "cure addicts" but it got a somewhat bad rep after a Vietnamese guy scammed the UN for a lot of money claiming he discovered a miracle drug for painless opiate detox and had some patients die on top of that.

Anyway, first time I bought it on the internet, from Holland, quite expensive, I had what was supposed to give me 4 solid highs. You can eat it or make a tea. Whatever your preference it tastes awful. What you get on the net is pressed leaves and it looks like laminated hashish. Considering I had some tolerance I popped 2 doses and felt nothing, then made tea from the rest and still felt nothing.

A year or so later I got it in Thailand, fresh leaves and chewed them and again I felt nothing. Mind you, might be my tolerance level, it is a fact that it has been used as opium substitute forever and the locals swear by it. Speaking of locals, I was smoking opium with the hill tribes and being on methadone my dosage was like 5 times theirs, they couldn't believe it, goes to show how strong synthetic opiates really are. But when opium did kick in, after about 2 hours of smoking, it was a lovely high, the kind where you close your eyes and have vivid pictures. Loved it, just kinda awkward having to smoke so much of it.

Anyway, as far as I understand it Kratom could help and help a lot, but you'd have to be on a mild opiate and/or low dosage or you just want to alleviate wds. For anyone addicted to H Kratom is probably useless, just not potent enough.

On the other hand, some people swear Ibogaine is the ******************** to kick it. I paid $1.000 for a 24 hour trip (best trip ever) followed by 4 days of total agony, worse then any wd I experienced but for some weird reason something prevented me from speeddialling my dealer. I went back to methadone then since the symptoms just didn't subside and I didn't eat or sleep for 4 days and nights , constantly in jolts and cramps I couldn't believe, only fraction of a second reliefs and then full power jolts again. Real weird stuff Ibogaine. Did help me stop smoking though and I never touched the needle after taking it so something good did come out of it. I guess the jury is out on Iboga, I talked to a doctor who's a fervent believer in Ibogaine and went to a remote jungle tribe in Gabon to study it, guy was tripping with poisonous snakes falling off the trees around him. In his opinion I had too much in my system: heroin, methadone, cocaine, benzos (the latter were perhaps the reason for unsual wd symptoms, no one else I know suffered for such a long time after Ibogaine.

Try buying some Kratom from the net, do your homework (research), it might actually help if you're addicted to Imodium or in heavy wd.

Leiito
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Old 06-01-2008, 02:43 AM
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Default kratom new guinea 20x is unbeatable

I have tried different strains of kratom extracts and the new guinea 20x is awesome. I used to pop a lot painkillers, mostly hydrocodone, which only lasts about 4 hours or so. Kratom 20x, feels like being on about 4 of them, plus putting you in an absolutely fantastic mood that litterally lasts all day long. It is rather expensive, about $80 for 24g, but a half a teaspoon is all you need. Taking larger doses very similar to heroin. Best relatively unknown drug out there, in my opinion.
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Old 08-05-2008, 10:37 PM
 
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Default Kratom.

It is known to be, at the very least, habituating, and at the worst, addictive, so I recommend that, if used, this should be done for the shortest time possible, and no more than 2 weeks. I remember reading a long article about it: try your search engine, Altavista, Entireweb, Yahoo, AOL, Looksmart, or the Wikipedia & Google websites
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