iamtinain my urine he would not give me my meds. I have severe medical problems. The problem i found with this message is, he said i couldnt even have a patch on. Although i had planned on quitting after Christmas, he took the joy out of what i wanted to do. Now everyone is saying the only reason u r quitting is because of the Dr. I think he should have at least given me the opportunity to quit without all his threats. One of his favorite mottos is " i got the carrot and u r the rabbit." He is a great doc outside of this and is known all over the us and Europe. He has written 4 novels.Within 10 days of seeing this guy he dropped me 60mg per DAY on my methadone but did give me 3 -15mg of oxycodone a day, which i have been on for over a year anyway. I am feeling the effects of coming down on the meth. I have been on it for 12 years. This guy freaks me out. Is there anything i could take to diminish some nicotine in my urine without messing up my doses of the others. pretty stupid question huh? If anyone has any input it would be greatly appreciated.
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Thor28326 Dec 2011
Hi Tina,
I don't like doc's with mottos. This guy thinks he's all it and you are a nothing. He probably believes he has to beak your spirit and then you back together as his creation. I don't blame you for feeling freaked out. Anyone would. Just because he wrote 3 books doesn't mean he's a good doc.
But the big question is, why are you going to him, is it to quit tobacco? If it isn't, then what difference does it make if you smoke. IMO if he was worth anything he would know that if he's trying to get you off opiates he should leave your nicotine addiction alone. I honestly think the nicotine addiction is harder to break than the opiate addiction is. It is at least just as hard.
I honestly don't know what kind of an answer you're looking for here. I think you should see a different doc.
I'm sorry if I missed the point here. I'm having a lousy Dec 26th.
ElizaJane2326 Dec 2011
Wow - he dropped your Methadone by 60 mgs? At a time? How long ago was this? Are you still alive? I truly wonder. The smoking is a big problem, to be sure, but the withdrawals you must be in because of the drop in Methadone must be horrific! Time to find a new doctor I think. The smoking is an addiction and one that needs to be treated with respect. Having you go cold turkey, and with your methadone also - that's criminal in my mind. What books has he written? Because I'll be sure not to read them - I'd say time to look for a new Dr. Be well! ElizaJane
iamtina
26 Dec 2011
hi Eliza. I dont get this doc. Im so confused on what to do. It takes forever to find a dr. and get an appt. They want your whole life history. I have to go back a week before my appt and if there is nicotine in my urine he is NOT gonna write. What a #$%#$ he is. Anyway i hope you have a good day and thanks for your input
ElizaJane23
27 Dec 2011
Hi Tina - well hopefully you can see by Thor's and my response that your doctor is really out there. I understand it can be very confusing trying to find a new doc and jump through all their hoops. That's why it helps to come to a place like this, to have a sounding board to bounce ideas off of, and see if what you are feeling is accurate. I encourage you also to post comments here on drugs.com more - I think over the holiday weekend a lot of folks were away, and you'd probably get a better response now. I just can't imagine going down 60 mgs of Methadone at a time! Surely you have been very sick? Just hard to imagine a doctor having the ego to make a change like that, and still want to harp on you for - smoking? It's not against the law for heaven's sake. I get it though - anyone with an ego that huge has got to be problematic to deal with, and who knows what he is writing in his files.
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Thanks Thor Your answer did help. Im sorry you are having a bad day. I feel like im living in a nightmare. If its not one thing its another. Its hard to find a new doc. They want to know EVERYTHING. Im afraid the new doc will agree. I dont know. im so confused. Have a better day
Tina,
I think you need to call other PM docs. I see EJ below agreed with me, so it wasn't my state of mind yesterday. Can you give us more details? Are you on Methadone for pain or addiction? And so are you seeing this man for pain or addiction?
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I've seen a PM doc in the past. I'm currently seeing a Sub doc for Subutex, not Suboxone, and I told him I take Sub for pain and it helps my depression. He urine tests me every now and then, and he has to because the DEA has forced them to do this. But none of the docs I've gone to ever said 1 word about tobacco, meaning nicotine. They can make an issue out of THC, unless you live in a state where medical Marihuana is approved, and I don't. Although I no longer use Pot and it's 10 years I don't. But I have a friend who uses Pot and his doc doesn't care but the DEA do. This friend also smokes cigarettes and his doc's have said nothing about nicotine. I don't even think a doc can refuse treatment for tobacco use. I mean its far from being a healthy thing, but it is totally legal. Some cities have prohibited smoking in public and in bars, and other establishments, but it is still legal. I just think that this doc is off his rocker. And I hate that motto. It tells me he thinks he's all it and you are a nobody. I once went to a PM doc who said I know nothing and I should be quiet while he speaks. Something like that. This man put me down like I was the sc*m of the Earth and he was the Gold of the Earth. I was so happy when he threw me out because after him I found a very good doc. Unfortunately he retired and my present doc is a 50-50 guy.
I am struggling with nicotine addiction as I write this, and it's my problem. It has nothing to do with me and my doc. I only see where it could be if a doc was giving you Chantix for tobacco and you were at a smoke free stage and you still smoked. But you can't be doing that because it has been found that Chantix and opiates don't mix well, for most people. I tried taking both and it was very unpleasant.
So as hard as finding a new PM doc is, I say you need to do it. This man is setting you up to fail and then he will kick you out and cause you to hate yourself. I'm all too familiar with ppl with his attitude. When you call PM docs, ask over the phone if smoking tobacco matters. My guess is you will get a lot of astonished responses and they will say no, it doesn't, and they will ask you why would it. Really Tina, I never heard of any doc refusing to treat you because of tobacco, and especially if it is because of the nicotine patch. I think you found the PM doc from hell. Please call other PM docs before this man twists your mind and makes you so upset you don't know up from down.
And please make all the posts you want to. Now that Christmas is over you should get a lot more responses. I bet no one here has ever heard of this.
Thor
Thanks Thor. You seem to be a greay guy with alot of insight. The one thing about this doc is: he knows he cant make me quit, he is saying if i want to stay there i have to quit. I just think he would rather me be successful at quitting and not demand it to be done in 2 weeks. I have researchred quitting smoking on the internet and i am going to print it and show it to him. I think he has a God complex. But i am going to keep looking for another doc. I am being treated for severe pain. I have had both my knees replaced. They stuck a titanium implant in them and they suck. I was a guinea pig and like an idiot i agreed to a research knee. N e ways i also have plates and screws in my back and the list goes on. I am 55 and tired of playing stupid head games with these drs.He has no idea the stress and depression he has afflicted me with. Sorry for bitchin i just dont know what to do. It is time consuming and leaves gaps in treatment which dont look good to the new doc.Thanks for your help
Hi Tina, I'm glad if I was of help. I was upset when you said he has you freaked out because I know that feeling. These docs can get us so confused if we let them, that then we don't know what's right and what's wrong. I'm not going to say smoking tobacco is right because it has sure done me plenty of harm. But to demand a person give up tobacco to get treatment for pain is also wrong. And as my dear Mother used to say, "two wrongs don't make a right". Bring him the print out, but don't expect him to change his mind. I wish you the best and I hope you can find a new doc sooner rather than later.
thanks for everything Thor. You and EJ helped me put this in perspective much better. Oh yeah, i wanted to tell u one more thing about this nut. I started to talk to him about another issue i had and he said, I could only talk about one thing per visit. If i had another topic, make another appt. like i dont have anything better to do than sit for hours in this drs. office. But hopefully help is around the corner. I made an appt. with a differrent Dr in a couple of weeks. I pray he can help, if not i will probably have to go in hospital. When i leave a drs office crying and i know that its not because im overly sensitive, Its time to go. But believe me, im going out with a bang. He will probably try to black ball me from other drs. Sorry ive been talking about this so much but i am truly distraught, nervous and very depressed over this. Take care and i will keep ua updated. Do you know if u can write to a specific person or is it open to all. Its fine if so, but sometimes i might like to talk to one person. Have fun if possible
Tina, there is no need to apologize. That's what a support group means. We give you emotional support. This doc is really ... well ... he's the kind of doc no one wants. I have heard that BS before too about 1 complaint per visit. Back in the 70's I had best friend who went to medical school and he told me that was what they were being taught. One problem per visit. A year ago an orthopedist told me to go to a geriatric doc. I was slightly offended because I'm not quite even 60 yet. He told me not because of my age. He said I have a host of problems and he said only geriatric docs are used to dealing with that. Whereas he was a bone doc and only wanted to deal with bones. I often think he wanted to deal with 1 bone at a time. This whole thing has gotten out of hand.
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I'm glad you asked about private messages, or pq's as we call them here. I think the way my account is set up anyone can send me a pq whether I friend them or not. I think so because I'm almost sure I received pq's from people I had not yet friended. This is fine with me. I like it this way. But some accounts are set up where friending a person is necessary. But I don't know how to tell the difference. I have no problem with friending almost anyone, except my friend page is now 3 or 4 pages long. This is a big web site with a lot of people here, and I like that. I just wish I knew when I need to friend someone and when I don't.
To friend someone, or to send a pq, click on their avatar and go to their profile page. There should be something to click on that says send a private question. There should be something says make this person a friend.
I say feel free to send pq's or make public questions.
Good luck with the new doc.