I am suppose to be writing a journal says my therapist thinking that would help right now. I AM thinking right now, but sometimes I don't think I just lay there! What do I do. Do I just keep taking pills? I am on ambien and I'm still up again. Sometimes there is a lot on my mind like tonight. I like to talk not really write. Can someone help me?
What do I do about my insomnia?
- Posted:
- 17 Feb 2011 by Anonymous
- Topics:
- insomnia, sleep disorders
Added 18 Feb 2011:
Hi you guys, up again yey. I was bareley asleep after talking on the phone with someone and then someone else called me and Ive been awake ever since...1 1 /2 hrs ago. Anyway I ordered a free trial of Somnapure...it has Valarian in it, Hops, Cammomile, Melentonin, Passion flower, Lemon Balm, and L-theanine I get it in 4 days then I have to cancel my free trial cause they'll charge me $55 a month :( So I will try that along with my ambien and klonopin and others. Do you think I'll sleep and also not wake up later on again with all this for at least 2 weeks...until I see my doctor?
Responses (33)
17 Feb 2011
Hey there Eclipse2. I'm sorry to hear about your sleeplessness. What sorts of things do you do to help you relax or sleep? What do you do prior to your bedtime? Instead of actually writing in a journal, would you be allowed to use a micro recorder & just talk & tape? Would that idea appeal to you?
17 Feb 2011
Hi Eclipse2, I also an insomniac myself, I have no trouble falling asleep, but almost every night I am up at 3a.m. or so. I have chronic pain issues, so trust me I take enough prescribed medications to put an elephant asleep for several days! These are the things that work best for me. Don't nap in the day, get plenty of exercise, keep your bedroom at a cool temperature, and lastly as hard as it sounds, put all those things you think about aside for the night, put them to bed before you go to bed. Your bedroom should be used for two things only, sleep and sex! Try warm milk with a little cinnamon. I have PTSD, so I know what it feels like to have all those "demons" in your bedroom at night. Tell those thoughts there isn't enough space for you and them in your room! Rationally, they will still be there in the morning, so shut the door (in your mind) until you can actually take care of them.
17 Feb 2011
Hi i think that last response is a great example of how to make you relax and sleep without using medication. I have also used Melatonin and they worked for me. I did have to wait a while until they got in to my system (1 - 2 weeks +), but persevere and take them every night.
If you try all these things and still do not sleep, like me, some antidepressants work to help you relax and fall asleep when taken at night. My doctor put me on Amitriptyline 50mg a night and they are the best thing I have ever tried!
I'm not advocating the use of prescription drugs but sometimes they are the only thing that work. I also went to sleep therapy and tried loads of stuff first. Anyway, good luck and i hope you get some sleep soon!
thank you. How are you Delila?
OK thanks, have good days and bad days like everyone. I really know how you feel and how frustrating it can be. Especially as my sister can fall asleep even at a bus stop! : )
17 Feb 2011
I agree with all these posts so I have nothing new to add except a listening ear when you need it. I had insomnia all my life until about 30 yrs of age when I started all these meds for depression , anxiety, and pain! But I remember being only 5 and staring at the ceiling for hours but I've always been a worrier. Along with the other gal please write me whenever, I'm always on my computer. Cathleen
17 Feb 2011
Hello Eclipse I feel for you ,there is nothing worse then not sleeping ! I have allways been a very light sleeper due to anxiety & stress also at the moment I have just come off a addictive drug & now starting on a new drug which is a low mg dose that has so far not helped with my sleep insomnia,however there is help at hand because I have just started taking 1/2 a tablet of Valerian Forte in the morning as directed by my chemist, also 1 tablet at night before going to bed.So far it is helping with my sleep so you might give this vitamin a go or go to the Health Food store where they sell a herb sleeping pill that I know works fantastic because a neighbour of mine who was in his 90 s used to take these sleepers & told me they worked like a dream ! The sleepers cost $35.00 dollars australian at our health store's, I am sure you will find them if you are outside Australia, I will try to get you the name next time in the city shopping ok ! otherwise look on the Internet for help. take care
18 Feb 2011
Don't feel so bad eclipse.I go to bed during the day and wake up at night and I havn't been awake during the day for like 4 or 5 months now.I have to admit though.It is really starting to take a toll on me.I start to feel more sad depressed at night because I get mad at myself for not being awake during the day.Trust me!!! I am probably one of the biggest INSOMNIAC's on here.I am not in any way proud to be saying this but sometimes I don't sleep for 2 or 3 days straight.
18 Feb 2011
I have the same problem and am taking ambien for the very short term.
I would acquire somehow a great book with a wonderful chapter on sleep. It is called The Mood Cure by Julia Ross. I think this book is going to help me solve insomnia once and for all --- no simple answers - no heavy drugs -- the right neurochemistry explained. It is a godsend.
please anything that will help tried everything stop work after a week
10 Mar 2011
I have the same problem falling asleep at night. My doctor explained to me that if I don't begin relaxing within 15-20 min. that I needed to get up and function for about 20-30 min then try going to sleep again. He was very explicit about not lying in bed for long periods of time because I would begin to build a love hate relationship with sleeping in my bed. Since trying what he said I have found it easier to go to sleep.
10 Mar 2011
Ya know, I been thinking about this, & you sound like an "A" type personality. I am also, & you need something to shut your brain down. I'm not so sure talking or even writing in a journal is the right thing for you. Just my opinion! Maybe journaling before you go to bed, but not in bed. You want to quiet the brain, not rumble it all up with thoughts. You'll just keep thinking about things. Are you the one I suggested white noise too? It really helps me. I wish you all the best with your endeavor to get a good nites rest. I personally use Xanax, & it dulls your thinking enough to actually go to sleep. Hope this helps.
10 Mar 2011
I try to prepare to wind down if I don't I would be awake throughout the night, I am not sure that these themselves would harm you but I am a tad concerned about you using Ambien or any other sleep aid without you talking to your pharmacist and he just looks through the list which you can tell him the ingredients on the phone, either that or discuss it with the pharmacist, I don't watch television, I set the timer turn my face away and I think the noise puts me off to sleep, if you're awake then you must be thinking about something I think the therapist wants to get to the bottom of what you are thinking about, I had an episode of insomina about 2 months ago, my doctor prescribed Restoril and some of the others but you know I have never been drunk in my life but when I woke up I felt like my head was going to blow off and I was just "hungover" I would prefer not to sleep than to feel like I was in a fog throughout the next day, I think they tried Sonota,
Hi Sometimes I'm sleeping better but again I started to getting up at 4am and having problem goin back to sleep. I see my psychiatrist tomorrow, gonna see if they can get ambien cr approved and see how that works instead of the plain ambien. Even the herbal supplent I've been taking with my ambien is not helping. The I fall back to sleep around 9am and sleep through my alarm till 1:30pm. I set my alarm at 12pm everyday or 11:30am. I have an audio cd now tried that once to help me go to bed, didn't work. So I'm having split sleep again.
11 Mar 2011
Hi: I think you'll find a lot of Type A personalities here..welcome to the club!
Many of us are so 'wired' during the day that we can't shut our minds off when it is time for bed. I've had insomnia for over 30 years. I have always been a 'night' person, and would never go to bed before midnight--usually later--yet would still have to get up at a 'regular' time to go to work. Years and years of not getting enough sleep will take its toll.
Hi Mary, No I do have chronic back pain and sciatica, I have 2 slipped disks and a tear pluse a bulging disk in my neck, yey. I do take soma but only can take it every 8 hrs and it seems on the eigth hr its at 1am these days. Ive been fallin asleep practically right away but as I said waking up in the middle of the night not able to fall back to sleep. I also take percocet every 6 hrs. Today I have my psychiatrist, I will let you guys know how it goes see its 3:30am now :(
Just my personal thought, you can't set an alarm for 12:30 PM or 1:30PM & expect to go to bed at 10PM & sleep the night away! Make yourself stay up during the day, & you'll probably have better luck sleeping at night. The other drugs you take are probably making you sleepy at all the wrong times too. Just a thought! Mary63
12 Mar 2011
Hi there Eclipse I am not so sure if the vitamin you have ordered with other herbs combined in the mix will work for you but at least you can at least give it a go !! shame you couldn't get the Valerian Forte by the company called Blackmores which is a fantastic product because its worked so well for me in a very short time ,its a amazing a miracle Herb.I will pray for your sucess & that your sleeping problem improves. Take Care much love Candypq
hi theres a lot of Valerian root in this herbal supplement. Oh and to Mary I think, I go to bed about the same time every night between 10:30pm and 11:30 pm. I don't take naps during the day. I'm almost out of this supplement now. My doctor couldn't get the ambien cr, I have to ask my medical doctor to approve it.
23 Mar 2011
I suggested yesterday the medication Doxepin. From what I understand, it's a drug that's been around for a long time. My psychiatrist prescribed this for me several years ago and it's been fairly helpful. Sometimes I have to supplement it with Ambien CR, but I really don't like taking Ambien because I think it messes with my memory too much - plus it seems to increase my appetite, and I don't like that. Another good thing about Doxepin which is the generic version of Sinequan, is that it is pretty cheap, I think with my insurance, it's only $3.00 for 30 days. But I can also relate to taking sleeping medication, sleeping for a few hours and then waking and being wide awake for the rest of the rest of the night -- it's so frustrating! I was encouraged to "journal" and I've done that in the past, but there's a lot of nights I just don't have much to "say" - at least on paper... Just know you're not alone. I hope you start to feel better soon - keep in touch.
Blessings!
Mag <3
Hello, I am an insomniac. I have been that way for about ten years. It reminds me of that movie with Bill Murray "Goundhog Day", no matter what it is always like 3:06a.m. when I wake up, it is almost eerie. I have finally given in to it, if I sleep great, if I don't that's OK too. Sometimes, I think I stress myself out so much about going to bed it keeps me awake! So, right now it's 4:23 a.m. I have alread gone to Walgreens, gotten a movie from Redbox, browsed all the cosmetics and the cashier says " my you are up wide eyed and bushy tailed". Let me tell you I know I am wide eyed and awake, haven't checked out my tail yet. As I said before, you need to ready yourself for bed, a routine if you will. Get your bed ready, clean up (no makeup) keep the lights off and just close your eyes and think pleasant things.
thank you both, I'll have to wait for the next psychiatrist appointment end of april to ask about the doxepin. I don't know if its covered. Hmm ambien makes you hungry. Maybe thats why I get hugry again every night. I couldn't fall asleep this time yesterday but when I did and woke up I fell back to sleep, so thats good, But I took an extra ambien at 1:30am. I can only do that once in a blue moon.
1 Apr 2011
There are many different avenues you want to explore and my suggestion to you is stop taking Ambien. If you do not fall asleep within a specific period of time, it will end up having a paridoxical effect, i.e., you will become wired instead of tired.
Firstly, put your phone away and shut it off.
Do not lay in bed unless you are sure you are going to sleep. You will develop a relationship with the idea of being in bed and right now the thought of laying in bed is staying awake.
Read a book on your couch, or watch t.v., that's fine. But don't lay in bed!
Wake up early, so your eyes get exposed to sunlight for a long period of time. The will help re-set your circadian rhythm.
Exercise at some point during the day, like actually break a sweat.
You can journal all you want but I don't think that's gonna help you sleep. If anything it will probably make you think about more crap than you should be at that hour, worsening your cyclic thoughts before sleep.
4 Apr 2011
Hello,
Yea, I agree, insomnia is the worse! What I do, to manage stress throughout the day so I don't take it all to bed with me, is keep 3x5 cards ready. At home, in my office desk, always one in my pocket. Whenever I feel uptight or stressed, I'll jot down that I feel that way. And next to it, write what it is thats making me feel that way. Believe it or not, it works. Then you kind of have a journal already! Just a bunch of 3x5 cards. he he. So I make sure to date each card. Sometimes I'll have 5-6 cards on just one day. Sky's the limit.
Just thought I'd throw a suggestion. Good luck!
thank you
Hello. I read through your posts and think that Mary62009 offered excellent advise! I would also try a guided meditation.There are tons of them that you can find online for free. They work very well in relaxing your entire body as well as reducing stress etc. When body and mind are relaxed, sleep with follow! My personal experience with insomnia was helped greatly using them. I found Paul McKenna's approach as the most helpful, but that's just me, keep looking until you find the right voice/message for you. It works much better if you have it on an MP3, i-pod etc.. something with headphones. If you have insomnia, it can't hurt to try anything right! Insomnia is torture, I feel your pain. Give it a whirl! Good Luck!
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sorry still up extra pill didn't work. I sometimes watch tv, sometimes I read my magazine or when I can't fall asleep. I end up eating. Mostly all bad. I did write the journal and and it took some of the things away from my mind earlier then just layed there. my eyes are burning. I'm waiting for my audio cd. Its on back orfer and wont get here till the end of the month so I should be listening to the book at bedtime.
Yeh, all the wrong things! Try a couple of benadryl (without the ambien unless your doctor approves of it), get some white noise, a fan, soft music really low, & while your laying there start with toes (with your eyes closed of course) & tell them to relax, keep going up your legs, knees, thighs, bottom, tummy, etc. til your up to the top of your head. Tell each part to relax & go to sleep. If you have any pain quietly tell it at the same time to leave your body. Sounds silly, but 1st time I did this I was asleep before I got to my middle! The white noise calms your mind of other thoughts too. You sound like an A type personality, like me & can't get your brain to shut down. Best of luck & let me know if this helps.
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Research on the internet. Talking to other people is a great way to do comparisons & get different suggestions & ideas. You're not alone. And~~~you've already started on the way to better health! All the best! :)
The white noise dont help me and music end up listening to the whole cd, but I'm gonna read my magazine right now and see if that makes me sleepy, sorry. See I purpusly have a sound machine that use to work for me that has everything on it and I don't understand why it stopped working :( I end up hearing it till the timer goes off. I have a fan in my room but too cold for it now, I can't remember if that helped me but I did try it.
Try the fan again, but turn it against the wall or facing out the door of your room. I make my hubby put it on the floor as it makes my arthritis hurt too much in this cold weather, but we are both addicted to the noise to help us sleep.
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I started off taking 1 x 1000 mg tablet in the morning then at night started with 1x 1000mg which did help slightly so my doctor said it would be ok to increase the dose at night to two x 1000 = 2000 mg well after about 5 days once this herb kicked in I sleep so well just as if I took a normal sleeping pill ! now I no need to take Valerian in the morning only at night, & will keep on this amazing herb for ever !. Hope this information gives you some positive help.take care Candypq
thank you everybody!!! I really appreciate all your concerns and answers. The fan noise(white noise ) is on my sound machine, I will try that again right now.
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