Suboxone Users - Please answer these questions
- 15 Sep 2005 by PoppyQueen
I currently take about 8 - 10 Vicoprofen a day. I've been on them without a break for 5 years. I have a lifelong addiction to pain killers.
Can you still drink alcohol on Sub (I don't mean binge drinking, just beer or wine)?
Can I still take my anti-depressant on Sub (I will be giving this up too at another time)
What do you take for pain? Can you take Tramadol?
Can I return to work the day after I start treatment? Or will I be somewhat sick?
Will Sub hopefully kill my love affair with pain killers (sorry but I still enjoy that high--when it happens)?
Anyone who can answer any of these questions, thank you!
15 Sep 2005
Looks like you have a little habit like I once did. WELCOME! :)
I will make this short. Get on the Suboxone!! Best thing that ever happened to me! No cravings from day one and I am upbeat and happy going to work and doing my daily activities!! Can you drink alcohol? Well to be truthful, You can drink socially while one Suboxone... it doesn't effect me. Even though they say that you shouldn't... But... But..But... then again you are not supposed to drink while on Vic's either... but we have! Same kind of thing!!! You know what I mean. But I don't think you should take the Anti-depressants while on Suboxone... I believe that they ARE NOT a good mix!!! Anyway, good luck! Do the right thing!
15 Sep 2005
I have never taken Sub im on methadone maintaince but i have read alot about it. Do you get it prescribes or did you get it on your own. I hear less is more meaning the less you take the more affective and when your just starting you take 2 mgs at a time wait like 20 mins if your not feeling better take another 2 mgs. Also i know you have to be in with drawls when you take it for the first time or it will put you in with drawls most ppl i know wait atleast 12 hours after there last dose of tehre drug if not 15 hrs of they can wait it out. The longer the better. Also i would if you could take the first day off of work to see how it hits ya. And i believe Tram is also a addictive drug and also has withdrawls so i wouldnt bother but youd have to take to a Dr about that.
Hope i helped alittle but im not a exspert Hopefully someone else that has first hand exsperiance with it and can help you out with anything else.
26 Sep 2006
I, too, am on Suboxone and wonder about the drinking.
I just started 8mg/day, but I enjoy wine with dinner and have for most of my adult life (I am now 40). I was taking 8-9 Norco/day for just over two years, and want to turn my life around. That is why I found a doctor who could get me started on Suboxone. However, they won't tell you whether or not it's ok to drink wine, for they think you will substitute one addiction for another... and become an alcoholic. That isn't the case for me... I simply enjoy my wine with dinner, and it never goes over two glasses/night.
Does anyone have any insight on this? Been on Sub and enjoys his or her wine? Knows a doctor and has received the true answer? Anything like that? I just can't get a straight answer on this.
26 Sep 2006
I am currently 41 days clean of Lortabs (my drug of choice) because of Subutex. This medication comes in 2 forms... Subutex (buprenorphine) and Suboxone (same as Subutex, but has an extra ingredient (Nalaxone) for misuse. In other words, on Suboxen if you take a pain pill, you won't feel anything. The Nalaxone covers all the brain receptors, so no Opiate can penetrate. In a way, this is a very helpful tool if you're afraid you might slip up and take your doc... because you would strictly be wasting your time and money. It can also send you into immediate withdrawals.
About drinking on it... my doctor says it's okay as long as you don't over due it... ie..get drunk.
I've been taking Lexapro (SSRI Antidepressant for 2 years) and my doctor told me stay on it. So far I've had no problems.
As for pain, Sub is an opiate 50 times stronger than Morphine, so your pain will be covered. Should be no need to take anything else.
As far as going to work the next day... as long as your dose is not too high for you, you will be more than fine to go to work.
Most doctors tend to start patients too high with this drug. It is soooo much better to start lower and increase if needed. Starting too high will only make you sick and it takes a while for this drug to wear off... as it has an extremely high half life.
If anyone here is interested, go to the featured conditions section of this forum and click on painkiller addiction. From pages around 135 and up are a lot of Sub stories, questions and answers. Last week my doctor sat here with me and answered questions and gave some advice.
Please check that out... there is a LOT of Sub info under "painkiller addiction"
27 Sep 2006
Just a question hoping someone can help me with? I had been on about 40 mg of methadone a day. I just recently started suboxone. I had gone cold turkey off the methadon for about 5 days before starting the subox and have been taking it for about 11 days. The latter 3 at about 8mg a day. Last night I stupidly did some o.c. nothing really, less then 20 mg. It was about 12 hours after the subox, my question is how long do i wait until i take the subox again? will it make me sick, seeing as how i wasn't really addicted to o.c.'s i wasn't sure? Thanks for your time.
2 Feb 2007
Hello, I have a question. Next wednesday my husband has an appointment to go on the Suboxen. Right now he's still taking his Narcotics. Does he need to completely be off of them when he goes to his appt.? He is still taking them so that way he's able to still work without feeling bad from the withdrawls. Should he just try to quit cold turkey a day or so before his appt???
2 Feb 2007
Natalie the day before is fine ,just so he is in some type of withdrawal,thenas soon as he takes the sub the w/ds stop.ok take care Tamm
3 Feb 2007
With any type of narcotic (especially alcohol or psilocybin as these generate effects because they are poison) you should use extreme caution when on any other type of medication. The only way to know for certain is to ask a physician about it. The have (or should) a good knowledge about what they are giving you and if it is potentially dangerous to mix it with any types of chemicals.
Now, a normal doctor will probably tell you you can't or shouldn't take anything else as it is detrimental to your health anyways so ask them if there are any chemicals that cannot be mixed with your current medication.
If they don't mention alcohol make sure you bring it and anything else you take or are thinking of taking as they may assume you don't use or forget to mention it. (more so with illicit substances then with alcohol)
12 Feb 2007
CaseyJake: you wrote: "Does anyone have any insight on this?" I would challenge you to consider this. If you have no "problem" with alcohol or feel you are not "using" it like your other drugs of choice than why is it so hard for you to just accept that the doctor said it isn't a good match so you shouldn't use it.
If he had said perhaps... While on this medication you can't eat saltine crackers (I just picked any random item for my example)I highly doubt that you would be on this forum asking if you could eat them anyway.
When hearing that restriction, your coming on the forum and trying to get someone to tell you that it is okay should be throwing up warning flags all around you...
I hope that this post didn't come off as b*i*t*c*h*y as that was not at all my attempt. I just know the games our addicted minds try to play and all the ways we can try to convince ourselves that using "just this once" or the idea that "well, this isn't even my drug of choice... " and other such BS is the nature of the addiction beast!!
Best of luck!!
12 Feb 2007
Statik ~ I was wondering if you would mind answering a few questions I have.
~ Did you taper your methadone or did you jump off at 40mg.?
~ How were you feeing by day five, or even how were those five days overall?
~ When you did the actual swap and took your first doses of Sub. how did they do that? Did they give a few mg. and wait to see how it worked etc???
I would really love to hear as much detail as you feel comfortable about sharing in terms of how the entire process went... kinda a step by step.
I totally understand and will not be offended at all if you decide that you don't really want to get into the nitty gritty of it right now!!
17 Feb 2007
i tried to get off methadone using suboxone & it was the worst mistake i've ever made, next to my first shot of heroin. i did everything the 'experts' told me to do - tapered down to less than 20mg methadone, had over 24hrs w/out methadone before the switch-over, etc. if you want to get off methadone, taper your dose SLOWLY. i'm at 4mg now & it's taken me 3 years to get down to this dose. but that's part of the therapy, going slowly, for physiological reasons. there's no magic to it, just patience. if you taper your methadone dose slowly enough you will not feel withdrawals like the ones we rightfully fear so much. suboxone, from what i've heard, sounds better for people going straight from heroin/opiate to treatment, not for methadone patients.
17 Feb 2007
Lexapoo ~ When you say that going to the suboxone was a mistake what exactly happened? One thing I noticed is that you said you only waited 24hrs. to start the suboxone. You may have had a problem with that because the half life of methadone is much larger than that. Most people that I have heard that did the jump from methadone to suboxone have been made to wait at the LEAST three day (72 hours) and if possible four days.
What happened with the suboxone that you did not like?? Was it the switch or was it something else??
I ask because I have thought of trying it myself and it seems like a lot of people have been sugar coating and "pushing" subox as the way to go so I am very interested in what went wrong for you...
Any details you are willing to give would be great and by the way CONGRATS on your taper. Only 4mg now. Your a rock star!! Great Job. And you say you have had little to no withdrawal in your taper, correct? WOW!!
18 Feb 2007
Sydbean: Read my post in the "painkiller addiction" section re: Suboxone. If you are looking for a substitute for vics or other opiates, then it's great. But if you're looking to get off of vics or opiates, do not go on Suboxone. Any questions, let me know. Oh and another post I read, yes you can take anti-depressants with sub. In fact, it's often encouraged. I am very fearful a lot of ppl on here are giving misguided advice and information. Be careful who you listen to. I saw someone say you shouldn't take anti-depressants with sub. I would like to know where this information came from as it is absolutely incorrect.
7 Jan 2008
I've been on suboxone for less than a month and it has proven to be everything I expected. I don't get "high" as I did with methadone or other opiates but I do not experience any craving either. I feel as though I got my life back.
I specifically asked my doctor, what medications are contraindicated with Suboxone. He said, really there aren't any medications that you can't take while on Suboxone - even other opiates (but don't expect to feel anything). I asked about emergencies that require a higher level of analgesic help that Suboxone can - i.e., morphine, demerol, etc... he told me to read the card that I was given to carry with me at all times, should something happen and I am unable to respond. The card reads that should I be in a situation requiring stronger pain relief than suboxone (which is a partial agonist, therefore, not as effective for pain as methadone, morphine, etc.), the medical professionals should know that I am on Suboxone because it will require double or more, the normal amount required to forcibly supplant the suboxone.
I specifically asked about tramadol because of headaches - tramadol is the best thing for headaches that I've ever found, plus I cannot take NSAIDs and acetaminophen is like a sugar pill. He was hesitant but suggested that I try 1 with caution and go from there - i.e., listen to my body. Tramadol is contraindicated with methadone because it has an observed weak opiate activity which is actually never been absolutely proven as far as I have been able to discover - just observed, but current literature says that it "could" precipitate withdrawals. However, I took Tramadol with Methadone because the 2 together seemed to prolong my Methadone affects. Go figure... I am on Cymbalta and Adderall and experience no problems. Of course the Suboxone prescribing doctor knows everything that I take regularly and intermittenly. Suboxone has a benefit over Subutex with the naxolone in that you cannot overdose on Suboxone. All that said, I would like to try Subutex alone - which you can overdose on - but could feel the full effect of the buprenorphine HCL, even though it is a partial agonist.
Like someone else on this list, I started too early after my methadone - 3 days between 80 mgs/day of Methadone and Suboxone. It took 2 days for me to gain stability. As time goes by (now into week 3), it gets better and better.
... the adderall, which I have been on for a couple of years, seems to amplify the suboxone. That was unexpected. I told my doctor who wants to monitor that over time and possibly pull my adderall back. He didn't like that but I told him that I did like that - didn't help much! So, I know now that I should learn when to keep my mouth shut! LOL
11 Jul 2008
if I get my doctor to prescribe suboxone,do I quit taking my oxycontin right away,or do I continue to taper down the oxycontin while taking suboxone?Or do you quit your oxycontin pills completely the day you go on suboxone?Thanks in advance for any guidance.
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