im 24 been addicted to pain meds since i was 17 started out with vicodin 2-3 tabs at a time then on to the morphine and patches and whatever else i could find, i have legitement pain and i want to start some methadone treatment but im scared to tell anyone and i dont wanna go to detox i think i can tell my doctor but what if he wants to stop seeing me cause hes mad that hes been giving me vicodin and percocets for three years and i never told him about my addiction?? someone help me!!
7 Jun 2006
thanks zippysgoddess and mpvt but what kind of addiction do i have? i am now up to 80 mg of oxycontin 3-5 times a day and its killing my cash flow and me i can feel it inside i have no feelings just to get high i hate it and ive tried suboxone for like a month i bought it off the streets and no results ??
8 Jun 2006
You could try the methadone route but read up on it and be aware of what your getting into.Also getting suboxone off the street isn't a real good idea.Suboxone has to be taking alone with no other opiate in your system otherwise you will be in withdrawls.Also you need to go to the doctors everyday for the first few days so that they can adjust your dose.Suboxone (buprenorphene) is an agonist-antiagonist drug so it has a cieling of around 32mgs(I think,it might be up to 36mgs) once you go past that then you go into withdrawls.So thats why I don't reccomend taking it without a prescription as it's not like taking morphine or oxycodone.
Methadone is a whole different ballgame as it is much stronger then anythink a doctor can prescribe except maybe fentynal.Methadone works best for people that have been addict heavily for years and years.They have tried detox,rehab,cold turkey you name it.These people do well on methadone because they are able to handle it.When you see someone one methadone that's nodding and all they do is sit around and eat junk food all day then that what methadone will do if you can't handle it.So read up on it because it's usually a lifelong decision unless you can find a clinic that will do a methadone detox for you.You would be put on a dose and they would start lowering it everyday until your weaned off.It can be successful but you would have to try it and see.Good luck to you and let us know what your doing and how your doing... Dave:)
8 Jun 2006
Many people also end up on Methadone on a life long maintenance dose, that is another reason they hate to use it for a mild addiction like yours. You say you are taking 80mgs a day, most people who use Methadone to get off were taking a thousand or more mgs a day, sometimes several times a day.
11 Jun 2006
well i took your advice and got on the suboxone im feeling great and have no urge to do heroin or anything like that i was pretty bad guys worse than i made it out to be but me and my doctor had a long talk and he said that he has more success with suboxone than methadone and hes glad i came to him with my problem anyways im doing good light withdrawl symptoms and thank you for your advice
13 Jun 2006
I would like to say this and please dont critisize me because I am telling you from my mothers experiance so I know that it is possible, I understand that she has an addiction and you say they wont use methadone for an addiction like hers, but she wants something for pain control for long term use and methadone is an option for that, I dont believe that suboxone is for pain control, but methadone is... my mother needed something for long term pain control and she had been on vicodin for 7 years for pain, her dr expected her to be addicted to them and they prescribed her 30 milligrams of methadone per day for pain, it is possible for her to recieve methadone for her addiction as well as her pain, just talk to your dr about it...
13 Jun 2006
mpvt ~ Im curious, and no I don't want to go down this route, Im two weeks into my cold turkey withdrawal and doing very well!
But, methadone, doesn't the body develop a tolerance to it? Just like any other pain med? If not, then why is it so hard to come off it?
Im just curious, not looking to judge as I know how hard it is for all of us.
Despite my saying Im doing well I had a really tough day today due to some bad news, and wanted to turn to pills to feel better.
I went swimming instead, and invited a friend over this evening to keep my mind off it.
Warm thoughts :)
14 Jun 2006
Methadone has a very long half life (24-36 hrs).It also effects the mu receptors the most,these are the receptors that make you feel euphoria and pain relief.This is a couple of the reasons why it's so addictive.Because of the shape of the methadone molecule (it is much bigger than heroin or morphine) it's able to sit on the receptors longer making it difficult to gain a tolerance to it.Methadone although it acts like an opiate is chemically different then opiates.Scientist aren't even sure totally why it does what it does.Methadone is also one of the most researched drugs in history... Dave
14 Jun 2006
Hey Dave, how do you know so much about methadone? Tell me more, your replys ares so interesting!! I am on methadone, 63 milligrams per day, I dont know a whole lot about the science of the drug, you seem to know alot, your on it as well arent you? so I am doing good on 63mg a day, they want to increase me but I told them I didnt want to go up yet, see as my pregnancy progresses the baby takes more so they want to increase your dose, I think they are going to up me next week by 5 mg... so its true then that it takes a long time for your body to build up a tolerance to it then? I know when I was taking the vicodin my body built up a tolerance so quick that eventually 20-25 pills a day didnt do anything, I havent noticed that with the methadone though, hey, you may know what exactly is the difference between methadone and methadose?
14 Jun 2006
There is no difference between methadone and methadose.I am very lucky to have a doctor who took a personel intrest in my addiction.So together we have learned alot about methadone although chemistry is not my forte so I don't know alot about that part.Methadone is a very misunderstood drug.I have a big problem with people who take hydro's for a year and think they need methadone,methadone should be used as a last attempt because it's going to be with you likely for the rest of your life.I also see alot of people with little or no addiction get on methadone and then let the goverment pay for it while they abuse cocaine,benzo's and/or alchohol.Patient like yourself who are pregnant should stay on a stable dose of methadone until after the birth.I would tell your doctor that your stable and you don't want an increase and that you will let them know when you need an increase.The other drug that I advocate for actually way more than methadone is ...
buprenorphene.This agonist-antagonist drug is helping so many people it's amazing.We have it approved here in Canada but it has yet to make it to the pharmacies.Buprenorphene isn't much use top long term or high dose methadone patients but it's tailor made for the hydro-percocet addict or a light addict.Heavy long term addicts likely won't benifit from it but it's doing wonders for the above that I stated.Have a good day and take care of that tummy mommy... Dave
14 Jun 2006
Thank you Dave I sure will take good care of him, I am due August 13th, But according to my last menstrual cycle, I am due July 28th, I dont think the drs are on the button with my due date, they are going by my first ultrasound that I had and not my period, I have been measuring 2 weeks farther along than what they say I am though so what does that tell you? I know I am going to have him around the end of July, I wont make it into august, I know my body too well, besides I am already dialted to 4 and my cervix id starting to eface, this is my third child so they tend to come quicker and the labor tends to be shorter, I was right on around the time I would have my other kids too, the drs said I was 2 weeks early which wasnt a big deal because I was considered full term but I knew around the time I was going to have them and I was right with both of them...
I am 31 weeks along right now, theres 40 weeks in a pregnancy, I am measuring at 33 weeks though so its very well possible that I am 33 weeks, according to my last period I am, so I was thinking, and If I had both my girls at 38 weeks along, its possible I could give birth to him at 38 weeks as well, so there is a big possibility that I could be giving birth 5 weeks from now!! I cant wait, I am sooo sick of being pregnant, out of the past 4 years I have been pregnant 3 of them!! I am so glad this is going to be over with soon, I am having my tubes tied after I have him to ensure that I dont get pregnant anymore, It was a mutual desicion between my boyfriend and I, I wish I could call him my husband, we own our home, we have 3 kids together, and we have been together for 5 years, I wish he would ask e to marry him one of these days, I love him so much and I would much rather refer to him as my husband, I get the crazyest looks from old friends I meet up with and like my ob drs and what not when I say my "boyfriend" anyhow man oh man I could blab on forever, ok anyhow Dave, what I wanted to ask you is why it is you think that if you get on methadone that its a possibility you will be on it for the rest of your life? I know the clinic that I am going to right now offers 2 years of methadone treatment after you give birth, I know myself all too well and I know if it is offered to me for 2 years than I will take advantage of it, I dont want to take the chance of getting off from it too soon and end up using and as strange as this sounds, the methadone makes me feel normal, It gets rid of my depression, it gives me energy to do things that normal people do every day, I wouldnt be able to do these things If I werent on it, and my boyfriend and I have never gotten along better in our entire relationship, I think he likes me better because I seem more like a normal person on it, I notice I have my sense of humor back, I like do do things more with him, its just weird becusae I hear from so many people that methadone makes them feel like a zombie, is that tru with you or anyone else you know that is on it? becuase I dont feel like a xzombie at all I feel wonderful!!
Does that make me sound like an addict or a terrible preson that I know if I had the option to remain on this drug for the rest of my life that I would? In a sad way I am hoping I come down with some kind of a medical condition so that I have to stay on it the rest of my life, I know there isnt a "condition" that you can get that requires it or anything but its the only medicine that I have ever been able to take that makes me feel as good as I do both pysically and mentally, is that awful of me? I would do anything to remain on it as it has made my life seem so much more better!!
what do you think?
14 Jun 2006
mptv - thanks for your response.
No, it's not something I would want to try, but these are just curious questions.
What about the long term effects of this stuff?
Im not sure if my respiratory/circulatory problems I've been having of late are a result of all the toxins I was taking or not (morphine, acetaminophen with codeine in sickening doses), a good friend who's in the industry told me my central nervous system was shutting down. Thus the increasing difficulty for me to manage my outdoor activities despite my level of fitness (Im very active).
Sweetchik, you say things like "methadone makes me feel so much better, it takes away my depression, etc etc... " I think for reasons such like are what ends you up dealing with this stuff for life.
I guess it comes to a point where you decide to live with it or without it.
For me, Im struggling like hell to live without opiates. Yes my back hurts, but I have enery now, I get euphoria from stupid simple things right now, and Im taking an interest in getting my life back together again... although most people wouldn't know I ever had a problem.
Classic overachiever, that's why. Most people get dizzy when I tell them what I accomplish in a day.
Morphine used to make it that much more pleasant.
14 Jun 2006
It makes you feel normal because you don't make enough endorphins for onr thing.Methadone is not a short term drug and should never be used for acute pain episodes.I never suggest methadone to anyone unless they are one: a chronic pain sufferer and will be for life and two: they have tried most or all the pain killers out there and have tolerance problems leading to massive abuse.That's why methadone is usually for life and that's why when someone is thinking of going on it they need to research it because it is not like takeing morphine or dilaudid.I take 330mgs a day down from 400mgs a couple of months ago and if I decided tomorrow to detox it would take me probably a minimum 3 years to get off it and then I would probably start taking morphine or heroin.I have been addicted for 25 years now and my brain is not the same as a normal opiate free person.I have physically and chemically changed my brain forever and because of that I'm going to have to take methadone because I can't take enough morphine legally to feel normal... Dave
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