New Florida law requiring pain patients who pay for clinic visits and meds?
- 3 Oct 2010 by christineATU
with cash are being targeted by this new Bill. Isn't this patient profiling? I have to buy my pain meds with cash. So if I lived in Florida I could only get a 3 day supply of medication? Has anyone heard of this new law and can you please clarify what this means. This is an excerpt from an article I read
''Tallahassee, Florida - A new Florida law cracking down on 'pill mills' that dispense powerful prescription painkillers is being challenged in federal court.
A company operating pain clinics in South and central Florida, two doctors and a patient sued the state this week in Tallahassee.
They want a federal judge to block the law before it goes into effect Oct. 1.
The suit alleges the law is discriminatory because it bars patients from getting more than a three-day supply of drugs if they don't have insurance and violates free speech rights by limiting clinic advertising.
Another claim is that various provisions are unconstitutionally vague.
A Department of Health spokeswoman had no immediate comment Friday"
How could this be constitutional? Isn't this a form of patient profiling?
Any additional information would be appreciated.
3 Oct 2010
I do not live in FL however it has been in the national news that FL has the most "pay cash pain clinics" in the nation.
I had no insurance for one year or more and had to pay cash at a pain doctor that had taken my worker's comp insurance for a very long time years ago.
Back in 2003 I showed up for a scheduled appt and was told that I shouldn't have come and asked if I had gotten any letter in the mail which I hadn't.
I didn't get to even see my pain doctor and was handed a letter saying he no longer took "cash paying patients" anymore as of the beginning of the month and I got no warning.
I was however given my scripts for that month and 2 or 3 more months afterward as his policy was to give me time to find another pain doctor.
Funny but by the time I did, I had Medicare A/B and in 2006 got Medicare Part D; the drug plan.
I use a visa debit card to pay for my scripts every month now that comes out of my checking acct but they always run it as credit when I fall into the gap/donut hole and have to pay over $600 just for my monthly meds alone not counting the cost of Medicare Part D's monthly premium of $76.30 or Medicare premium that comes right out of my SSDI check of around $96 dollars.
I think you are being targeted because of bad medical practices in the state of FL but I also believe that you should have certain rights be it through the ACLU or if on disability the ADA laws.
I would suggest you call an atty.
I hope this helps you and I pray you get your meds and find a doctor who will help if this one stops.
3 Oct 2010
Hi Chris, As you know I live in South Florida, in the last two months ago they were targeting my county, as well as a neighboring one (Sarasota County) It sounds to me like too many doctors were not examining patients, there were notes on the door that said "no guns, knives, or any other weapons, there are video cameras in the waitng rooms, as well as two way mirrors.They closed about 8 pain centers down,I knew of three, that were indeed doing bad practice, a patient would not be examined and even though some patients had insurance, only cash is being accepted. My doctor is 140 miles south of where I live, I have been with him for three years. I had insurance until I was laid off from my job, I have been paying cash for some time now. I am scared, I don't even know how I could possibly go every three days, it is simply too far. My ex lives in deerfield Beach (the southeast coast) he goes to the doctor on thursday. He has medicaid/medicare.
His doctor only has takes cash, and has a very heavy hand with the pen when he prescribes. I will know then what happenend, when he goes on thursday Thanks for looking that up! Fall Queen
3 Oct 2010
my xwife lives in SE fla ill talk to her and find out the real deal from her and get back to all of you before noon so check back after 12:00 sorry to hear about this injustice... pete
26 Aug 2011
There is a lot more to this bill than not being able to get more than 3 days worth of medicine with cash. I read the bill and it's over 2500 lines long. Each line is a change in the law in how opioids can be dispensed, prescribed and filled by pharmacies. Penalties for not obeying these new laws are very high and costly.
The laws are so complex that this will only make it much more difficult for primary care physicians, internal medicine doctors, orthopedic specialists, physiatrists, and even dentists <!>, etc., to be willing and able to prescribe opioids.
My primary physician in Florida told me that after this fall he won't be able to see me anymore because of the new legislation. He says his office is not equipped to comply with these new laws as he only has about 4 patients that he prescribes opioids to.
Google CS/CS/HB 7095 to read the new Florida bill as I'm not sure I'm allowed to post links here.
10 Nov 2011
Has anyone looked at this through the National disabilities act? Seems as if it is discrimination against a minority of disabled people!!
12 Nov 2011
Hi Christine. Please don't be confused by all this. The crackdown is by the government, against all the PILL MILLS opened by Drs who want to make a quick killing by selling drugs at RIDICULOUS prices & making a killing. The 3 day law is another way of the government trying to rid us of these insidious places in Florida, which is one of the worst states when it comes to these types of "storefront" businesses. Sometimes there isn't even a dr. on STAFF, just someone "off premises" who signs the scripts.
While the government now DOES have its' eyes wide open in FL, mostly because of these heinous pill mills, you can still find legitimate pain treatment with legitimate doctors down here. It just takes more time & you need to supply the adequate proof that you are in fact, a pain sufferer, rather than a pill monger.
What Florida is doing is right, but take it from a long term chronic pain sufferer, it IS making it much harder for us to find legitimate doctors who aren't afraid to prescribe narcotics in the amounts that we may need, due to tolerance & other factors.
I'll add you to my friend list, if you would like to contact me privately. I've been a member here for a while, but you may notice that I do not have LOTS of points, nor do I post much. The reason for this is that I was disappointed to find that so many on here are just drug seeking & many don't seem to have legitimate PAIN to necessitate all the drugs they are seeking.
Good luck & God Bless,
24 Nov 2011
In my opinion these laws are to stop mostly people coming from other states like ohio kentucky west va I am from ohio and have been offered my trip paid in full 2500$ cash my dr visit and prescriptions paid for just to bring back the pills to these dealers that would crack down on that being that they wouldn't wanna send me there every 3 days for pills being not so profitable for them lotta gas lol or to put me up in a hotel for a month that would be stupid too lol u wouldn't believe the # of people mostly addicts I know who happen to be on state funded methadone programs in columbus ohio that are going to fl every month for dealers its insane I've seen hundreds of oxycodone 30mgs in the pocession of just one person lol just my opinion
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