I started taking them just recreational on weekends and then started taking them during work and so on and so forth and got to the point where I was up to some days taking 300 mgs of percocet a day and financial I had to stop so I started taking suboxone and was using that for about 8 months and didn't realize how addictive and how bad the wd would be so when I went on a vacation I didn't bring and with me and went through the worst 3 days of my life and came back and started back up with percocet again and eventually because of financial reasons went back to subs and recently weined myself off and came off and relapsed and started taking the time released oc80s for the last 3 weeks and some percs occasionally and am at the point where its ruining my life and just want to be done with it forever and just don't know what to do I have 2 subetex and 1 8mg sub strip and just need help on what would be the best way to just make this come to an end with as little discomfort as possible because that's why I keep relapsing because I can make it through the first 4 or 5 days but it gets so bad I just can't take it and fall right back into it again so I can make this hell go away but again its ruining my life and just need to go back to my outgoing fun life loving self is there annyone out there that would have some good advice for me please anything would be very much appreciated
7 Mar 2011
Suboxone and subutex are used as an aid to heal the brain receptor sites and neurotransmitters, together with therapy for addiction. Both suboxone and subutex stay on the receptor sites for 3 to 5 days after the last dose, so it is after the 3 to 5 days that the withdrawal from suboxone sets in, this is probably why you seem ok for a few days and then relapse. It is not a magic drug and you really don't have enough suboxone or subutex to heal the brain, you just have enough to stave off withdrawal for a week, maybe. I wish I could tell you that what you have will work for what you want to do, but your best bet would be to actually call and make an appointment with a suboxone doctor and do the counseling that you are supposed to do on suboxone. I really am sorry, I know it sounds like I am preaching or judging, I am answering you as honestly as I can. You don't have enough suboxone to do anything but delay the withdrawal.
The receptor sites need time to heal, it is as simple as that. You can go to the suboxone homepage at suboxone.com and look for a suboxone doctor in your area with the locator feature on that site, and check prices with all the ones listed for your area. Subutex actually has a generic available, but you need to ask if the subs doctor also writes for subutex, some won't. And do the counseling to heal the emotional issues and for support. Patti
28 Mar 2011
Suboxone is quite effective when it is taken exactly as instructed by a knowledgable suboxone doctor. It is not a drug to be taken "willy-nilly" to stave off withdrawal symptoms; a specific plan must be in place. A few pills (or strips) won't do any good. First off, you should not begin the suboxone until you are in full-blown withdrawal; otherwise, taking it early, you'll go into precipitated withdrawal, which is a needless nightmare to cause yourself. (Some doctors are unfamiliar with this, so they up the dose to some ridiculous level, when all they are masking is the precipitated withdrawal caused by starting too soon.) To gauge the level of withdrawal, you should go to http://www.drugs.com/resources/opioid-withdrawal-record.pdf for the COWS (clinical opioid withdrawal scale) worksheet.
If you make sure you’re at a 26 or above accumulatively on the worksheet then you will normally do well with the subs.
Then, you should take the absolute minimum dose to help, and it's usually 8mg or less per day. There is no reason to remain on subs any longer than necessary, and then, it should not be stopped abruptly, either. Generally, a person is ready to taper within 2 weeks. There is a set regimen to decrease the dose by 25% every 4 days, to taper off the subs.
I strongly urge you to see a suboxone doctor and follow his plan, if you are truly serious about stopping the percocets. To take some that a "friend" gives you - or take it and stop suddenly - is not the way to make the subs work for you in the long run. It is a good means of detoxing, but ONLY if done properly.
This only helps with the physical detox off the drugs. In order to stay clean, you'll need to address the mental and emotional issues, as well. Whether it's AA, NA or a counselor, there's a lot of change that needs to take place, if we are to stay clean for the long term.
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