I need some serious help/advice about quitting methadone?
- 29 Oct 2011 by Ginnys06Mustang
- opiate withdrawal, pain, methadone
I have been on methadone for a little over 4 years now and I hate the person Ive become (ie I dont leave the house unless its absolutely necessary, Im angry all the time and take it out on my family etc)
A little over 2 and a half years ago my mother was diagnosed with lung cancer which has recently spread to her brain and theres nothing more anyone can do for her. She would love for me to get off of methadone and, as of late, I do too. I want my mother to see that Ive beat this addiction before she passes away, it would mean the world to her (and myself for that matter) I want her to be proud of me again. Please dont waste your time telling me that I wont be able to get off of it because Im doing it for my mother and not myself..thats not the case. Im doing it for both of us.
Anyhow, Ive got a serious question that I hope someone can answer... I am looking for honest advice here... I went on methadone because of my addiction of pain pills and Im wondering if taking pain pills for methadone withdrawals would work or not? I got on methadone to get off of pills and it worked so would it work in reverse? I now know that methadone detox is much worse than the drugs that caused me to get on it in the first place so if I take said pills would I still get withdrawals from methadone?? My idea is to quit methadone and take pain pills for withdrawals and then get off of the pills right away? I know that getting off of pills is easier than methadone.
Would that honestly work??
PS My dosage of methadone is currently 180mg... I was on 300mg just a few months ago so I have been going down
30 Oct 2011
You wanted an honest answer for all the right reasons so I'll give you my experience with doing both,I will take M.D till I get my next scrip of 8 8mg of Dilaudid a day & vice versu & the opiates in either one seem to just cancel the withdrawl out of the other,but I never stay on M.D for more then a week at a time,just enough to not be sick.
I start with 60-70mg(more if I have more but like I said I'm just using it long enough till I get something I can get high off,it doesn't seem there's enough M.D in I can take to get high off anymore & I was prescribed it for pain at one time & then I could get high off it now it's just maintaining like I'm sure your doing which is just no fun what so ever,especially if you have to go in everyday except Sunday when I assume you get a take home,or you have been on it so long that if you did what you were supposed to you probably phased up where you only have to go in every other day,or maybe every two days,I don't know you didn't give that info but regardless your going to have to go through some type withdrawal but from what I've heard & what I've experienced by being tossed in jail for a week going full bore on the 8 8mg Dilaudid a day & to tell you the truth it wasn't that bad? Probably because just like cigarettes I know there's no way in hell I'm going to get either of them there(the city or county or state for as far as I know just doesn't give a fuck if your on methadone or if like in my case you actully have legitimate pain & in my case it's from two C-1 C-2 vertabrae fussions. The first wasn't that painfull after it was over but that was just one screw,but the bone just detiriated away from around the screw,but the second operation they had to put four screws in to stabilize the vertabrae & I've been in pain ever since but I also like to get high so there lies my prob. You can switch to another opiate but since your in the methadone program your not going to find a doctor willing to write you something strong enough or a schedule 2 in general & the only other thing that would work would be vicodin which is a schedule 3 but you would KILL your liver with tylonol trying to get enough dope in your system to keep you not sick from the methadone,Dilaudid is a good choice but VERY HARD TO GET,how I managed it is pretty amazing but I'm a pretty good dope hound & worked my way up from 5mg oxycodone to 60mg morphine sulfate E.R's & 4mg Dilaudid to 100 mg morphine sulfate E.R's & six 4mg Dilaudid to 8 8mg Dilaudid a day because Dilaudid(brand) hydromorphone generic name & you never said what pain meds you got hooked on to start with so this may all be known to you anyway but I don't know so I'm just saying it,but the brand Dilaudid or I could just say Dilaudid because if they are called Dilaudid & not hydromorphone there brand & they cook up completely for reasons if you don't know there's no reason to tell say,but back to your problem getting strong enough pain meds to come off the methadone first,then taper your down off the pain meds until you get yourself down from there,it sounds easier then it is but coming off of Dilaudid or even morphine for that matter is easier to come off then methadone. There are statistics that state that most people that start methadone are on it for life,don't take that the wrong way because I know people who have gotten off it. The government thought they were so smart reformulating oxycontin from O.C's to O.P's that don't cook down & can't be shot up or even snorted or even taken like there supposted to there are cases where the pills aren't even breaking down in peoples stomachs & passing right on through into the toilet! But now all those people are turning to heroin & they have NO CLUE WHAT THERE DOING OR GETTING THEMSELVES INTO & DIEING IN DROVES!!! I'm actully going through the death of my brothers girlfriend right now from a heroin overdose & she had just O.D'd two days before she shot up by herself(BIG MISTAKE,NEVER USE HEROIN ALONE,OR BETTER YET PERIOD,BUT IF YOU USE IT ALONE LIKE SHE DID,THERE'S NOBODY TO GIVE THEM/YOU NARCAN & YOU QUIT BREATHING,THAT SIMPLE & THAT SAD,SHE WAS 20 YEARS OLD & WILL NEVER GET OLDER) but if it wouldn't have happened that day it would have happened another day! I didn't know how bad she was & these states that don't have amnisty laws are killing people because instead of people are afraid to call 911 & are dropping them off in front of emergency rooms with notes taped to them or just running out of the house without doing anything,sorry I'm rambling but this just happened last Saturday night,but I had got some Narcan for my brother to have there (NARCAN SAVED 140 PEOPLE IN THE STATE I LIVE LAST YEAR & YOU CAN GET A LEGAL SCRIP FOR IT FROM THE LOCAL NEEDLE EXCHANGE) but my brother was at work & when he came home saw her what he though was her just sleeping on the couch when he got a call from his neighbor telling him his dog had been barking for 3 hrs which made him go check on her & couldn't find a pulse but eventually did so having her O.D just 2 days before & came in the house like Nazis & threatened to take the house & all kind of other shit he called a girl who came over with some Narcan(which turned out to be an empty bottle so then I got a call & he came over & got the Narcan I got for him to start with,but like I said he could have gotten his own in 20 minutes during the day,but the exchange is closed at night so he got the one I got for him & left,but & didn't think anything about it,he'd go home,give her the Narcan & she'd be fine to O.D another day. But she must have according to the timeline of the dog barking she must have done the shot,fell out & been just getting enough air to run her involuntary organs but not enough to feed her cognitive brain & she never came out of it. Sad. Back to your problem yeah you can swap opiates but be very careful because the amount of Dilaudid I was on would kill 9 out of ten people & that's just 1 8 mg tab. Your tolerance is probably pretty high due to M.D's long 1/2 life & how it stacks up in your system but what ever drug you decide to swap with take just enough so your not sick,for one it will make getting off them that much easier & I know that's what you want to do & your right it will be much easier coming off of anything besides heroin or methadone. I hope you can do it for your mothers sake & yours,opiates do make you a different person then you are & I know it first hand just as you do & as tough as it is I believe you have the best motivation in the world a mothers love& having her know your clean. You could also just start tapering down the M.D too,if you do it slowly & steadily it won't be as bad as cold turkey which I wouldn't recommend because it'd be hell & there's a better way to do it. There's a method for when you finally stop all together which I wish I could think of but it pretty much is benzodiazepines for the anxiety,imodium for the diareha(I'm sure I spelled that wrong but anyway,& something like ensure for the first few days when you can't eat solid foods. I'm sure you can find it on the net somewhere. Good luck & sorry about all the other stuff I added,I just wanted you to get some background on hardcore opiate addiction. I really hope your successful in stoping.
3 Nov 2011
Oh ginny PLEASE talk to me sweetie! I was on Methadone at 120mg for chrontic pain, & hated every minute of it!I so wanted back on my regular pain pills & was promised to get to do this if I weaned down to next to nothing. First of all what dose are you at & how long has it been since you have taken other drugs or how long have you said 4 years? Is that right? Need to know your dose right now. You can wean down & your Mom would much rather you do that & get off both of them. It just takes inner strength & will power, & a lot of guts, honey. Please don't go back to opiate unless it's for chronitc painl If you were an addict, you need to wean off of the Methadone like you Mom wants, but bet she doesn't want you back on street drugs either!I know how to wean down & it's hard. Sometimes you have to stay at a cetain dose longer than normal, but that is natural & eventually you can be free of all addiction.
It will take time & work on your part, but think of how happy your Mother would be to see a compltetly CLEAN & SOBER daughter again before she has to leave you & how proud you will feel to have accomplisjed this for her & for yourself. You can wean 5 mg. a week or 5 days if you like. I did 5 mg a week. It took me almost a year to get from 120 to 10 mg, & I was in terrific pain doing so if you read my bio you will know why, & I'll bet I have kids your age & know just how your Mother feels. So let me know your dose & we can figure this out together if you want. I will friend you & if you friend me back we can do this together & see how it goes. I am in a cast, so hard to type onehanded, but will for you . Excuse my typos , please...
4 Nov 2011
Ginny, if you've come down from 300 mg to 180 mg in just a few months you can wean your way off the methadone. Just believe in yourself, and take it slow. I am on methadone for chronic pain and hope to be weaning down off of it soon - I know to take it 5 mg at a time, take it slow and just get through it. Once you are down to 30mg you can transfer to Subutex (or Suboxone). There is some research showing that Suboxone can help heal your brain from the opiates and start it functioning normally again. So, if you have difficulty going lower than the 30 mg on Methadone, you can consider the Subs option. I think you can do this, and there are lots of folks here on this site that will help you and encourage you. I think it's great that you are considering this - just goes to show you how strong you really are! Best wishes (and sorry about your mother's health) -
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