I found a place in Miami Fl. called The Summerhouse and they use a special "cocktail" to ween you off the subutex (that I've tried so hard to get off of). I think there is a small amount of vicodin in the cocktail which makes the detox much easier and they do not let you leave on any opiates. I need to find out if this is a good place and I don't know how to do that. Their site looks real good and I spoke to someone who works there (most of the employees are recovering addicts that's why they understand and try to make your detox as easy as possible but you still have to do the work by going to NA, AA, therapy, yoga meetings everyday). I just wish I knew someone who went to this place. I can't do the cold turkey method. I just get too sick and too anxious. It's so terrible that I can't even describe how terrible it is and I only take 3 mgs of subutex a day. Today is my 45th b-day and my Mom is all worried about me going somewhere if we don't check it out, plus my Mom is very, very depressed and anxious since my Dad passed away a little over a year ago and I'm trying to help her too. I took her to a psychiatrist yesterday and he upped her zoloft dose to 100 mgs before bed and gave her .5 mgs of klonopin to take 1 before bed and 1 in the morning and today she is more depressed than ever. I don't think the klonopin is good for her so I told her not to take it anymore. She will not go to a therapist either so I don't know how to help her. What a nightmare. If anyone knows of a good place that can help me I would really appreciate any advice. Thank you so much. Larsy
15 Jun 2011
Do they wean you off or is it one of those quack "rapid-detox" while your asleep type deals? You can die from a rapid detox, im pretty sure you sign your life away on a waiver relieving them of all liability before they do anything. I would just wean myself off of it again. Just do it very slowly over time. That's what I did. IMO the longer you are on it and the higher dose you are on the harder it is to get off of. Seems to be the duration that has the most effect from all of the research I have done on the subject. I was on 16/mg a day for over 2 years and weaned off over like 6 months. Now from what I've read and researched, it seems like you should really allow your body as much time to wean off as you have been taking it. Gradually reducing your dosage by say 10% every week until you get down to really low dosages. Its a little harder with Subutex and Suboxone though because of the route of administration and the varying levels of absorption that it causes.
When I got down to a really low dose I would just insufflate my doses (remember that this ROA causes you to absorb nearly double the dosage that taking it sublingually does, so you have to take that into effect when determining your dosage). A lot of people don't realize that a pill like 8mg Subutex for example, that has 8mg of Buprenorphine in it and roughly 300mg of binders in it. Meaning that 8mg could be in any part of the pill. It's not evenly distributed like I thought it was for so long. I almost had a friend OD (well he did display all of the symptoms of an overdosage just not bad enough to go to the hospital) on what was probably 2% of an 8mg Subutex, and many times he's taken over a quarter of one under the tongue. That little amount that he sniffed made him sick as hell, couldn't piss, itching like crazy, etc. So to really be able to keep an even dose as you reduce, you really should pulverize the whole thing at once and then mix it up quite a bit to try to evenly distribute the drug. I guess you could put the powder under your tongue but I'd be too worried about swallowing it before it could be absorbed. It's some potent shit. When prescribed for pain (either transdermal patch or IV) it's dosed some where in the 50 - 300 MICROGRAMS (I believe, close to that at least). And they take people like us and I've heard of people on dosages as high as 32mg a day! WHY? It always seemed to me that really once I got past 8mg, it really didn't matter. And when I was weaning off, I took it all the way down from 16 a day to 2 a day before it really started to bother me. So, like I said, I would wean off over whatever amount of time you have been taking it for, or a little longer if you think you need it. I'm about to move my cousin down to VA to live with me to help him get his shit together. He's been shooting dope for over 3 years and he's been able to maintain on 2 to 4 mg of Suboxone a day. I've got a great doc here that was actually one of the first doctors in the US to gain approval to test the effectiveness of Buprenorphine for treating opiate-dependent individuals. I'm going to give my cousin 2mg of Subutex per day and let him maintain on that for awhile until he's ready to get off. Shit saved my life, because during those two years I wasn't ready to quit... I wanted to but I wasn't ready mentally. Those pills kept me from craving dope and I knew if I tried to use, it wouldn't work anyway... so what was the point? So you're able to assimilate yourself back into normal society without having to be a scumbag like you did when you would do whatever you had to do to get your fix. Best of luck to you. To be honest I'm not really looking forward to what lies ahead of me with my cousin, but there's nobody else to help him. I feel obligated to guide him and assist with the whole process because I've been there, I know how it feels, and I survived it. So I HAVE to help him. If he dies it's my fault for not putting his needs before my own.
18 Jun 2011
Lardy, I think dr. Jeffrey may be able to help you locate a clinic closer to where you live even if you don't use him for treatment, that was one of the points I think I failed to make, is that geographically, you are closer to Wisconsin than Florida . I know you are feeling an almost unbearable amount of guilt and grief, and FEAR. These feelings will not help when you are trying to make such a huge decision. We love you here and I know your beautiful daughters and husband do too. Please stay here for support and the the caring we need to give you right now. My bf does not understand why we need support, but each of us understand that we all need it. I don't think your husband may understand the need for such support either, but we all need support, he may not express his support the way we as recovering addicts express support for each other.
I think you may be overwhelmed, so take baby steps, almost like untying a knot, you have to figure out what piece of string to attempt to loosen first. Dr Jeff does have a toll free number that you can reach him at, Google him if you need to find it. He would be a good source to help you find a clinic or specialist closer to you. I wish I could give you a big hug right now so you could see how much I do care. I know others who posted here feel the same way. Please stay here for support until you can figure out what piece of string to loosen first. We need you, your girls and husband need you, your mother and brother need you. Don't give in to those fears, they will pass, we are here to support you.
15 Jun 2011
Happy Birthday Larsy!!
Unfortunately, I don't know of any treatment centers in the Miami area. But I can suggest a site that might help you:
There are several (3) treatment centers listed for Florida. They might be able to give you a review of the Summerhouse and recommend other facilties in your area. Give them a call, worth a try.
Hope this helps,
15 Jun 2011
This is not an inpatient place Larsy, but you have come to the right place for good advice, & all the help & support you will need. Listen to Laurie Shay, & ask for her help. Others can help you too. I don't think you need inpatient for this, but the decision lies only in your mind. This is the greatest support network ever. I wish you all the best & welcome to the site.
15 Jun 2011
Happy birthday Larsy, I am not super good with geography, but do know of a psychiatrist in Fon du Lac, Wisconsin who may be able to help you. Please check out his YouTube.com vids first, Name on their is SuboxDoc. He works for Fon du Lac Psychiatry and has a forum, website, eBook, tollfree number and if you Google him, dr. Jeff junig, you can find a link to him thru his office. Not only would he be an expert because he is an addiction therapist, but he has had an opiate addiction also. Nice guy, he would know how to tell you what to look for in a detox/rehab clinic and he probably could guide you to one closer to where you live. Please try to contact him. I have thought of you often, and hoped you were doing well. Tried to Gmail you, got no response, may have sent to wrong address. Please please keep us updated, we do care. Pattishan61
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