... taper I've found. I am just concerned about one major thing... Relapse. I don't want opiates, but will that change when I detox completely off subs? I imagine after a 2 yr heroin habit, approx 8 yrs of methadone and now 18 mths of suboxone I've had enough. I pray I keep all of the bad things in mind if I start to stray. I feel like I'm cheating myself as long as i'm on something so I'm looking for support here b/c I can't get to meetings w/ a baby right now. So any positive feedbback is greatly appreciated. Did u guys start craving opiates after detoxing? It was expalined to me that my brain doesn't produce the natural opiate that we all need for pain and things like motivation. Will I feel down and out for a while? I have kidney stones and ovarian cysts which may require pain meds... should I take them? Okay well I guess that's a lot of questions, but I'm not getting answers from my doc. Is there a drug that counteracts naloxone if I need pain meds? thanks sorry so long
I am down to 1mg in am then 1mg in pm and going to do a taper plan rob_325 led me to. It's the best?
- Posted:
- 19 Jan 2011 by sickofbeingsicknsc
- Topics:
- suboxone, naloxone, detox, opiate
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Springer1019 Jan 2011
I will try to answer this to the best of my ability. Subutex and suboxone are both partial opioid aganists, suboxone having the added drug Naloxone.
Subutex may not have naloxone, but it still binds to the receptors tightly with a long half life. I have a card for emergencies directed to hopsital staff of my sub use. In a hospital scenario there is a way to help one's pain while on subs. Now, I would not take the chance of using other opiates with subutex as, for the most part, subutex will block any opiate. There is also a risk of OD with subutex and full agonist opiates together. From my reading, I find nothing indicating that subutex will cause precipitated WD, as suboxone will.
Your best option is to consult with your subutex doc and see what alternatives are available.
As for cravings returning atfer detox from subs, Pattishan is the best for this information. She has been off suboxone for over two months now.
pattishan6120 Jan 2011
Dear Sickofbeingsick, I know you think that you don't have time for meetings, but support is one of the things that helps with not relapsing, even if you have to do an online support group, you really need that. I don't know if you did any addiction counseling, but the therapists are really good at helping you reframe your mind so you are able to not worry yourself into a relapse. I am not sure which medications they have for those on subs who need surgery and pain meds, but apparently there are some they use, this also goes for those who are newly off suboxone. You may need to talk to Robert about that but I will pray you won't need any pain meds anytime soon. Alot of people forget that suboxone is healing your brain receptor sites, you aren't really cheating, you are staying sober with the help of a medication.
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Hi sickofbeingsick and Springer,
Pattishan should have access to a computer tonight, and will answer your query as soon as she can. She has had great success with sub taper and is doing very well.
Best wishes,
sweetlemon
Thank you for your time. I am on suboxone and thought I should switch in case of an emergency where I am in serious pain... kidney stones aren't fun, but if seems it doesn't mater anyway. I don't know what to do. I went to the E.R. and they found the cysts and the stone and the Dr. prescribed me loratab and when I asked him why considering the naloxone in subs would make me violently ill... he just simply said well don't take it for two days then take the loratab. I'm just confused... Really, I have to go through 2 days of w/d's to get any pain relief. I want to be proactive and I am my best advocate, in some cases, so far I haven't had any unbearable pain. I would like to know what if any options do I have to recomend to my Dr. or emergency staff b/c contrary to popular belief they don't always know what to do. I've had them standing over me, while I was methadone w/dn staring at book.
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Their best colaboration was haldol which locked me up in Tardive Dyskenesia. This sent my heart rate over 150 BMP. I just hope soemone out there has had an issue and knows what I should recomend... just in case. I do have a baby to take care of and he's awesome, but very active!! I have to be on point. Any feedback is appreciated. ANY!!!
MVPT is needed in this situation, he can answer your Q.
Perhaps if you go to discussions-forums (top of page) and post your Q explaining the details, either Robert_325 or MVPT will see it and answer you asap!!!
Best wishes to you... patti may be able to help too!
When I see a new Doctor it's always "hi Dr. - I am an addict - please keep that in mind" to keep me honest. I don't give myself an avenue to addiction again.
I had a radical hysterectomy, like scooping out everything to do with reproduction, plus some lymph nodes, and my Dr., who knew I was an addict, took me off the light narcotic drip and put me on something very benign on the third day after my operation. I wish I could remember what the drugs involved were. But my point is that a good Dr. will keep your addictive history in mind when treating you.