I just read a very old post by Robert_325 and it inspired me to Join this, my first forum. I'm so confused right now I almost don't know what to do. I had been on 40 to 60mg of Norco for about 20 months. Of course I went into withdrawal as soon as I tried quitting CT. I told my Pain MGT Doc I wanted off now then asked what he suggested. He referred me to an outpatient detox clinic. The Doc there immediately accepted me and my cash and suggested a 90 to 120 day detox with Suboxone. He suggested I begin immediately since I was clearly into WD's. The prescribed dose was 24mg for the first 30 days then we would begin a weaning.
Almost immediately I noticed this was way to high of a dose for me so I started my own rapid weaning. Within the first 60 days I had basically pain or symptom free, weaned down to only 4mg in the AM then 4mg 12 hours later; total of 8mg per day. At that point I sort of became lazy with the Subs since they have such a long half life I was just taking maybe 4mg one or two days in a row then sometimes the full 8mg as my Doc suggested I should only be down to at this point.
Anyway after going for about four days on only 4mg (putting me at day 72 of my Suboxone use) and feeling fine except for the constant stomach pains I had been experiencing since my beginning Subs. I made an appointment with my G.I doc for my Irritable Bowl Syndrome trouble and told him about the pains from the subs and how badly it was effecting my IBS. I asked him what should I do? He suggested immediately stopping the Subs Cold Turkey (CT). So I did. Well needless to say within 72 hours I thought I was entering Hell. Don't ask me how but I made it to day 9 without any meds. By day 9 I hadn't eaten or drank any fluids in almost four full days because of the sever stomach cramping, vomiting and diarrhea, I ended up in the ER. Those guys were no help at all. They just threw me out calling me a drug addict. So I called the Doc who prescribed the Subs and told him my plight and asked Him, what should I do? He somehow managed to talk me into restarting the Subs at home by suggesting basically the same method that Robert_325 suggests during the induction phase. So I took my pill cutter and cut up my 8mg tablets into eight 1mg pieces and started taking one every 90 minutes till I had stabilized. I stabilized at 4mg. The next day still being so darn scared of getting any further hooked on these awful Subs I kept my dose to 3mg. This helps me get through the day but I still feel awful. For the last four days Ive only been taking about 2mg, 1mg in the am and 1mg in the PM 12 hours apart. I feel like doo-doo. Anxiety, hot and cold sweats, flush of color and hardly any appetite at all. I so desperately want off these Subs because they are reeking havoc on my digestive system and causing crazy constipation only making my IBS worse and preventing me from eating properly. Since Ive been on Subs (10/17/2011) I have lost now 31LBS from my muscular very fit 200lb body. Im tired all day and never want to eat. I have no energy and my home away from home, the Gym is the last place I could ever be right now.
I guess my question after all that story is... do I stay at the 2mg/day split dose until my body acclimates and stabilizes or should I go up a bit in mg's till I stabilize and continue a slower taper? I'am perplexed because on one hand continued Sub use keeps the WD's away but its killing me on the inside. As mentioned before I read Robert_325's post about the taper which sounds shorter than my Doc suggested, and achievable, but after having gone 9 days CT and only being back on Subs for five days now,and at a low dose... Would you suggest a different regiment for me? I know everyone is different. Please help me!!! I want my life and weight back!!!
How to get off Suboxone?
- Posted:
- 14 Jan 2012 by RobertWillBClean
- Topics:
- norco, suboxone
Responses (2)
14 Jan 2012
Dear RBC, welcome to the site. I am going to try and help, and also get you to Robert, but i think his tp will be to fast for you, since you are already having some trouble now, and his taper is to drop every 4 days. I also successfully and comfortqbly tapered off and my schedule i used is in my profile story, please click my avatar and read it if you wish. It is much slower than robert's, but you will be comfortable. As far as the constipation issue goes, you have to increase your water intake, eat pulpy fruit and do some regular exercise, that actually helps the bowels to move. You can take Phillips milk of magnesia tablets, use suppositories or stool softeners. I know most who are trying to taper off suboxone are scared and unconvinced it can be done, but if you can replace that fear with hope, it will actually help youbtaper off as well.
15 Jan 2012
Hi RobertWill--- Just wanted to chime in here. I've slowly dropped my dose to only 1 mg, but I found that the best way for me to dose is only once a day in the morning. That way, I'm eliminating the obsession about the afternoon dose (maybe its just me). And, I believe this will make it easier for me to go to every other day, every third day, etc. when I'm ready. I'm not pushing myself as my Psychiatrist wants me on Subox for life. But, I already know that's not an option for me. It has wreaked havoc on my already slow digestion and elimination. In fact, not sure if this played a part, but just found out I've got low a.m. cortisol, low ACTH, and other hormones that may be indicative of problems with the pituitary or hypothalmus. Still in the process of testing with Endocrinologist, but will be upset if this is possible result of long term Subox use. Been on it for ~5 years & Drs.
Hey Jillian,
Did you have any symptoms that made you realize you might have had low a.m. cortisol, and low ACTH? I'm asking because I have been on Subutex on and off for about 8 years now. I don't know anything about what this is, so can you teach me?
Hi Thor - I wish I knew what to teach you! Just finding out now things that are a bit disturbing. I also take bipolar meds (seroquel, trileptal) & been very sluggish in the a.m. for quite some time. It was taking me hrs. to get going. I couldn't schedule much before 11 am. I also take synthroid & cytomel for hypothyroid, so it has always been in the back of my mind about whether I was on the right amount since other meds can affect the reading of thyroid levels. After going thru menopause, I finally told the Dr. I wanted to get to the bottom of it all since it was tough to function & had gained lots of weight very quickly. I attributed it to loss of my father & the resulting incredible stress from a lawsuit, etc. But, the way I gained weight was different from any previous gain (mostly around the middle). I also remembered that weight gain around the middle could be related to heart problems, which run on both sides of family.
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Patti, I just had a moment to sit at the PC and the first thing I did was look to see if anyone had responded to me. Well, let me say thank you very much for your reply! Just reading a personal note that someone has taken time from their own life to answer me, gives me an overwhelming sense of confidence. I thank you from the bottom of my heart and I will follow your instructions. I only have a minute now as I too am working today. Now I can't wait to get home this evening and follow your advice. You will hear from me agin today and I WILL get through this and I gotta tell you your post will make my afternoon go so much smoother and has put a smile on my face I haven't seen in a long time. Wow, I feel so good right now... God Bless You All!
Good deal. Believe me i was just as scared as you and the only advantage i had was this site, and a counselor who knew approximately how fast to taper. She said it takes a month for the brain and body to adjust to a drop. Listen to your body and do NOT read any negative subs withdrawal stories, those who post those are doing something wrong. I took the auto correct prompt off my ipad and can't get the screen to read long ways, ignore mistakes please, i swear i am literate, haha. Have faith and smile, i am so glad you found us. Patti oh, and all you sre doing when you taper really is putting your brain on a suboxone diet and reversing th tolerance ypu have now. Think of it that way, ok, it makes it seem like a doable task, and it IS... A doable task.
Hi again Patti, Just wanted to drop you a line to let you know I have been reading your suggested tapering schedule also watching some of those videos by the Psych Doc you mentioned. All good advice. The best advice I think you mentioned so far is to stop reading the horror stories posted by the sadly unsuccessful individuals. I feel so bad for them but you are correct; those who fail just aren't doing the tapering correctly or according to their own bodies tolerance. I think everyone is a very unique individual and each of us has to do the taper directly according to our own bodies tolerance. Those stories just scare you into thinking its not possible. So glad I finally found success stories. Im not sure why but for some reason today I feel my body is finally acclimating to the 2mg dose I have been giving it. I can't say I felt great today but I did feel very much better.
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I think I'll stay at this dose for a couple of days then continue following the 25% drop every fifth day. As I said before I will beat this and I will be clean one day. With your helpful advice and that of many others I have read I now feel I have the Knowledge (the Power) needed to see this thing through correctly. Im a hyper person naturally and I had been pushing myself to get off Sub's to quickly. I feel more confident and convinced and now have a better understanding of how the body and the Subs work together. Obviously patience and consistency are very important keys to success. Btw, your absolutely correct about the exercise. As a lifelong fitness fool I always noticed exercise to be a helpful tool in getting through all sorts of physical and mental ailments. Thanks again for your reply's and concern... you have helped restore my faith in humanity. ;-)